New NetWinner Forum — Alternative to NetWinnerCentral.com

May 21, 2008 · 61 comments

Banned from NetWinner Central, the official forum of NetWinner, for speaking your mind about the changes? Or maybe you’re just irritated that you can’t post freely there without fear of repercussions?
A new NetWinner forum has been set up to help keep members and former members of NetWinner in touch — for commiserating with others who lost money, for discussing options, and just for fun, games, and camaraderie.
Here’s the link: http://www.freepowerboards.com/theopenforum/index.php
Note: AOL members, please use an alternate browser such as IE; there are compatibility problems with AOL’s browser. If you’re having trouble creating an account, or if you had one and it’s suddenly become disabled, please email support for the Open Forum here.
And if you’re just joining us, be sure to visit this master list of resources for assistance on who to contact about what happened at NetWinner.

Share this:
Facebook Twitter Pinterest Plusone Digg Stumbleupon Email

{ 61 comments }

shellbear May 21, 2008 at 1:50 pm

im still waiting on the 2nd email of confirmation, i registered a few days ago, can anyone find out whats taking so long, some of us wanna start posting … lol

Anonymous May 21, 2008 at 2:34 pm

I only received one email. Try just logging in with the user name and password you used to set up your account. Best of luck to you and enjoy the new forum! :)

bjk548 May 21, 2008 at 3:53 pm

Posted a reply I received from the BBB in which Netwinner called me a cheater. It was maybe 5 minutes before I could no longer get on Netwinner Central. I have registered for the new forum and just waiting for an email approval.

Anonymous May 21, 2008 at 3:59 pm

I think you only get one email. Try to log in.

John D May 21, 2008 at 4:17 pm

The board still won’t let 100drjohns in. Alittle help would be appreciated.

bjk548 May 21, 2008 at 4:21 pm

I got an email after i registered but it says I will receive another email before i can register

Mistyshadow44 May 21, 2008 at 6:30 pm

Becky,
I need some advice from you. I rather not post it here for the public to see. It’s in reference to a letter I received from BBB. Do you have an email address on your site where I can send you a private message?

Becky May 21, 2008 at 6:49 pm

Sure do, Misty: comparerewards@yahoo.com
To all having problems with receiving confirmation emails: Please try to log into the new NetWinner forum and if you still can’t get in, gimme a holler at the above address. I think there’s some issue with AOL emails or something. She’s trying to work around it. ;)

jetskimax May 21, 2008 at 11:47 pm

Yup. I joined the forum and had high hopes of hooking up with my former NWC buddies and contributing. Not in the cards I guess. I requested that my account be deactivated after being attacked in a thread. The Administartor requested a PM which I sent stating that I wanted to participate, just not be attacked..and then banned me, lol.
If you join this forum make sure to be wearing a sandwich board that reads “I Hate Netwinner”. Otherwise, you’ll be creamed.
Ironic, eh? A site for members devoted to free speech and a dislike of censure. What a hoot!

Anonymous May 21, 2008 at 11:56 pm

So that everyone can make their own judgement, here is the thread the above poster is refering to:
http://www.freepowerboards.com/theopenforum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5

jetskimax May 22, 2008 at 12:16 am

Thanks for the link..actually it was an interesting exchange and reminded me of one of my favorite episodes from the West Wing.
“Later on Josh finds out there is a website at lemonlyman.com that praises and criticizes him. He insists that Donna type a response to someone who claims he misspoke on “Nightline” a few days before when he referred to requesting a GAO account since only the Congress can make such a request.
Donna thinks he should leave it alone and she turns out to be right when the people at the website don’t respond the way Josh thought they would. He then insists on compounding the problem by writing again. Donna says:
“I think you have gone ’round the bend.”
Later after things get much worse, Josh says, “Look, I don’t want to hear about it any more. We’ve got an energy plan in ten minutes.”
“Oh Josh,” C.J. calls out from the other end of the hall. “. . .The Federal Page from the Washington Post just called Carol to confirm that you are the Josh Lyman who posted on an Internet website that the White House could order a GAO review of anything it wants.”
“Without threatening the separation of powers is what I was saying.”
“You posted on a website?”
“. . .C.J., it a crazy place. It’s got this dictatorial leader. . .”
“What did you go there for in the first place?”
“It’s called LemonLyman.com.”
“Let me explain something to you, this is sort of my field. The people on these sites: they’re the cast of ‘One Flew Over the Cookoo’s Nest.’ . . . I’m telling you to open the ward room window and climb on out before they give you a pre-frontal lobotomy and I have to smother you with a pillow. . . .
I’m assigning an intern from the press office to that website. They’re going to check it every night before they go home. If they discover you’ve been there, I’m going to shove a motherboard so far up your ass — What?”
“Well — technically, I outrank you.”
“So far up your ass!” she says raising her voice ominously.
“Okay.” excerpt, lol…

Becky May 22, 2008 at 12:23 am

Jetskimax, I have great respect for the way you have tried to work with the powers-that-be at NetWinner Central to show them that banning every single player that speaks out in anger about their changes is not fair to anyone. BUT. I came away with a very different interpretation of what transpired tonight on the new NetWinner forum.
It’s a public post and whoever wants to read it and draw their own conclusions can do so:
http://www.freepowerboards.com/theopenforum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5
Maybe you should sleep on it and then go back and re-read the thread. Look where what had been a nice exchange went off the tracks — when someone posted this: “I think the only resolution most members would be satisfied with would be to get the money they’re rightfully owed after being strung along for months on end as well as an apology for the offensive way managagement handled the situation, don’t you agree?” And your response was this: “Regarding resolution, I find your tone a bit on the bullying side that you abhor so much about the NWC Forum. Am I to take a pledge to hate anything and anyone associated with NWC before posting here? And if so, I say that you are passing out the same kool-aid as they are, just a different flavor. Let’s leave it at this…I have affection and respect for a number of the members at NWC AND here. If that is unacceptable then I’ll refrain from further posting here.”
I didn’t find the tone of what was said to you to be bullying at all. But your response was, IMHO, way over the top. It felt like you were looking for something, trying to read something into the comment that wasn’t there. And from then on, yeah, it went to hell in a handbasket.
With respect, Jetskimax, I wonder if it’s possible that you might have been a little biased going into the forum, afraid that you were going into hostile territory and that you’d be seen as an enemy sympathizer or something, and that might have made you a little jumpy…creating a self-fulfilling prophesy.
I was happy to see you on the forum, because you’re smart and witty and seem like a fun person to be around, which is why I welcomed you as soon as I saw you post. And I’d love to see you back. I wonder if cooler heads might prevail if everybody just sort of slept on it and gave some thought to how the other party might have been feeling. I can put you in touch with Nicky if you’d like to try to talk it out privately. Please let me know.
Take care,
Becky

jetskimax May 22, 2008 at 12:32 am

As usual Becky, you are the voice of reason… what, no lol for my West Wing reference? I must be slipping. I have very clear feelings on the exchange. I’m sorry I can’t share my PM to the Admin there but it was interesting to say the least. Let me grab a cup of tea and I’ll post briefly why I responded the way that I did.
One post and that only. I won’t take up any more bandwidth than that, lol.

Becky May 22, 2008 at 12:41 am

I wasn’t really sure what you were trying to say with the West Wing reference (sorry, didn’t watch it much after the first season)… it sounded like you were calling the members of the Open Forum crazy people? I didn’t want to believe that’s what you meant so I just kinda gave you the benefit of the doubt. ;)
If you’d prefer to take this to email, you know where to find me! I hate that so much *public* attention has to be paid to what I think was just a misunderstanding that could be worked out in email.
Either way, though, I’d really like to hear what you have to say. Not that you OWE me an explanation, but I’d like to help work this out if I can.

jetskimax May 22, 2008 at 12:57 am

I read and write professionally. It is not only a source of revenue but a wonderful source of enlightment, education, entertainment and companionship with like minded bloggers.
After you have read as much as I have you recognise certain patterns of speech and “closers”. “As everyone knows”, “do you agree”, “It goes without saying” are just some of the closers I cringe when reading. It’s almost as bad as the use of the word “but” which pretty well means that the statment preceding is negated by the statement following.
Did Netwinner renege on redemptioons to 100′s probably 1000′s of loyal members, yes, of course they did. Was the comment made a sedgeway into a topic I was not responding to and an attempt to engage. I thought so.
Specifically I don’t appreciate the same poster insinuating that I was posting “online earning opportunities” to gain referrals * never happened.
Also, that I was buddy-buddy with Netwinner corportae Staff and was somehow in cahoots on some pleasure junket. *never happened.
I appreciate the offer to pass along a message and seeing the last response with expletives that is probably not the best idea, lol.
In closing just be aware of how harmful it is to have posters saying things as fact that best may have started with “allegedly”.
My good intentions were smeared not once but numerous times this evening and I know where I’m not welcome.
That doesn’t mean this would not be the perfect soft landing for other members of Netwinner. I’m sure they will be quite cozy and I sincerely wish them the best of luck.
PS. I LOVE your Gather articles and promise to comment in the next few days. You are quite prolific there, lol.

jetskimax May 22, 2008 at 1:05 am

I posted before I had a chance to read your last post. No, I don’t think that everyone in the forum is crazy.
Email is an excellent suggestion and I can probably share a bit more in a private venue. There is nothinig to work out and I appreciate your gentle voice. :)

Becky May 22, 2008 at 1:34 am

Thank you for explaining where you were coming from. It sounds like you felt you were being asked to comment on something you didn’t want jump into head-on, especially the first thing after arriving at the forum. Whether the poster was trying to bait you into an argument, or just kinda pokin’ ya with a stick to see if you were going to be friend or foe, to a casual observer it seemed like you crossed the line first. And if it seemed like that to me, and not only do I like you, but in general I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt, well, maybe it was perceived that way by the poster and the admin., too. So, the stick-jabber yelled, “Foe!” And it all went downhill fast.
I know hindsight’s 20/20, but don’t you think that a response more along the lines of, “It was really sad what happened to the NW members… but I’m not really here to debate the politics, I just wanted to catch up with old friends and possibly make some new ones,” might have gotten everybody past that awkward stage and right now we could all be playing word games and talking about what we cooked for dinner instead? ;)
I do that all the time — go, “Man, I wish I would’ve said THAT instead!” The perfect retort is never rightthere when I need it!
Anyway, if you change your mind about the forum, please let me know. I think this could be a great example to the NW folks of how people can express themselves, work through their differences, and get through to the other side stronger and with a better understanding of the perspective of others. Besides, I don’t like to give up. :)

Becky May 22, 2008 at 1:41 am

Whoops…our comments crossed at the same time again! :) Okay, let’s take it to email! I have to get my beauty sleep, though…talk to you in the AM?

jetskimax May 22, 2008 at 2:10 am

Becky , you are a first class act… I’m hitting the hay myself and will pop off an email when I get back online. As you said, I’m sure it was a misunderstanding and the situation is the pits all around. Please pass on my best wishes to Nicky and let her know I have no hard feelings about the exchange. I hope the members there are able to make sense about what happened and pursue what avenues are best suited to them. :)

bruce May 22, 2008 at 8:52 am

could whoever is running the new forums please let me know what is up with my confirmation email. i have been waiting 3 days now for the 2nd email (even went through my bulk 1 piece at a time). is the new forum going to be limited to certain people , or has my request for membership gotten lost? please reply here as to the status one way or the other.

Anonaymoose May 22, 2008 at 9:33 am

As we said before, I honestly do not believe there is a second email. I never got one. Just the email when it says to follow this link to activate your account, then I logged in and whalla!
So try to log in there and see if you are already a memeber. I am sure you are. But if not, post back and we will let Nicky know there is an issue.
Also, I don’t think it is limited to any number. It is just a fun place for everyone to go and meet up with new and old friends and have a good time.

bruce May 22, 2008 at 9:40 am

i tried to log in and keep getting a error msg saying the name or password is incorrect. and i have even checked the first confirmation email that has this info on it so i know that i have put theinfo in right.

penny May 22, 2008 at 9:41 am

I also only received one email. I waited a day and then tried to log onto the new forum with my username and password I used to set up my account. I got right on.
Hope this helps.

bruce May 22, 2008 at 9:44 am

this is the msg i get when i try to log in
You exceeded the maximum allowed number of login attempts. In addition to your username and password you now also have to enter the confirm code from the image you see below.
Username:
Password:
I forgot my password
Resend activation e-mail
Confirmation code:
Enter the code exactly as it appears. All letters are case insensitive, there is no zero.
Log me on automatically each visit
Hide my online status this session

bruce May 22, 2008 at 9:48 am

ok now it is working thanks admin or whoever was reading and got it fixed

shellbear May 22, 2008 at 1:16 pm

that the perfect example of the chameleons i was talking about. i have nothing against her personally however she has posted some kiss up things over on the banned site as well as a few others here
you cant have it both ways,

Anonymous May 22, 2008 at 1:47 pm

The Ostrich:
War broke out between all the beasts and the birds. When the ostrich was captured, she fooled both sides by being both a bird and a beast: she showed the birds her head, and the beasts her feet.
-Aesops Fables

Anonymous May 22, 2008 at 1:58 pm

If you go parachuting, and your parachute doesn’t open, and you friends are all watching you fall, I think a funny gag would be to pretend you were swimming.
-Jack Handey

100drjohns May 22, 2008 at 3:46 pm

I signed up and still can’t get logged in. It keeps telling me that my password isn’t right, so I asked it to send it to me and, you guessed it, no email back. So, how can I get signed up on this thing.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 22, 2008 at 8:01 pm

John,
As I said these things take time. I’m am the only person running the forum. There are no full-time mods yet. Even if there were, I’d still have to do a data dump of the registrations into a system I’ve devised to be processed and added to the system. The alternative would be to blindly allow registrations which would crash the server (This isn’t some giant forum on a huge corporate server. It’s privately owned and I pay for it out of my own pocket as well.)
The other choice would be to register each person manually, which is a pain in the ass and physically impossible for me as I do this on a total of 20 different forums. So I normally enter regs through the system once a day. My other forums are content with a few times a week as they can also read while they wait.
People will also have to be patient because running these forums and managing their users/databases and such are not my primary job. They are something I do as a way to contribute to society. It is great that so many people have an interest in banding together against Netwinner but please folks, one thing at a time and when I’m able to get to it would be good.
As for your account…
You were added to the system yesterday morning. 5/21. This is going to be an extra bit of hoobeejoo for us to do to get you in there and you’ll need to participate in the process.
I’ve just changed your password to one I made up. I’m going to email that to Becky at comparerewards@yahoo.com. You should then email her to find out what it is. Log in. Change your password. Make note of it and you’re done.
Give it a bit because I need to finish up what I’m doing before I send it.
Oh and a note folks:
I won’t be able to process new registrations again until after the Memorial Day Holiday. Feel free to read in the meantime. Thanks.

Thanks you banned me also May 22, 2008 at 10:43 pm

To: Registered Agent of Netwinner LLC
Raymond Scott Coffman
2022 Springdale Ave.
Charlotte, NC 28203
CC: Coapman, and Hardison
Subject: Integrity
Since you have not filled bankruptcy and continue to run your business as usual I assume you need help.
This letter is about your integrity and how to save your company. If you want to save your company I would read this letter before chucking it in the trash bin and sleep on the ideas your being given.
Basic business rules state that you must have integrity for any company to grow and be prosperous.
Since all of you are seasoned businessmen I shall jump straight to the key points of how to redeem
the integrity required to save yourselves and your business.
1. Send a handwritten letter of apology to each person who has ever been a member of netwinner. Yes, even those that you banned unfairly because they reported you to the BBB. DO NOT post this hand written apology on your netwinner forum that requires a username and password, but mail it to all members’ postal addresses.
To regain just one point of integrity this is required so that the air of mystery and all information about netwinner is no longer controlled behind looked doors that require a password and approval from you.
2. Release all of your financial information to the public. This way we can see and judge for ourselves if you were truthful about being solvent or not and also include all executives compensation amounts. It would be very helpful to know if the jackpot could be covered and also all of the little prizes.
3. All of the executives need to take a huge compensation cut and spend the money on paying out the members who are owed payments. Reverse your horrible double point’s concept back to members and pay them the cash they are owed. All of you have done a horrible job of managing netwinner and should not receive a nice fat compensation check.
4. Do not think that you can wipe your feet on loyal players and even casual players who built your company for you. Yes, your members built netwinner and not you. True integrity would admit that the members built netwinner.
5. Do not think that this issue will blow over in a few months and you can carry on gathering up new members. To think that this will just go away without any action from you makes you either; arrogant, ignorant businessmen or a down right unethical businessmen.
6. Fix the current firestorm by being ethical and honest with all members and netwinner may just survive the execution you have placed upon it. Yes, you created this issue and not cheaters as you keep screaming. If 40% of the people cheated that means you have improper techs working for you. We all know this is not true so regain a little integrity by stopping this silly statement. If it were true why not pay the 60% who did not cheat? Instead you chose to punish all members and cheat them out of what they purchased. Yes, members purchased any and all gift/E-cards when they clicked “redeem/cashout”. See the members owned the points and they in return purchased items with the points.
7. Think twice about a press release that says “ Laughing All The Way To Banko’’. Just in case you lost the press release here is a link to Reuters who has the press release online. http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS203895+19-Dec-2007+BW20071219
8. It is very unethical to allow employees to play your game and earn points. You maybe aware that one of your employees controlled and initiated contests but yet was still allowed to play your games and collect points! This issue reduces your integrity to zero.
As grandmother used to say, “When you have messed up admit it and fix what you alone destroyed. Whether it was by accident or pure stupidity.”
Two cents from a member.

John D May 23, 2008 at 11:06 am

Posted by: You’reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay
Date: May 22, 2008 8:01 PM
John,
As I said these things take time. I’m am the only person running the forum. There are no full-time mods yet. Even if there were, I’d still have to do a data dump of the registrations into a system I’ve devised to be processed and added to the system. The alternative would be to blindly allow registrations which would crash the server (This isn’t some giant forum on a huge corporate server. It’s privately owned and I pay for it out of my own pocket as well.)
The other choice would be to register each person manually, which is a pain in the ass and physically impossible for me as I do this on a total of 20 different forums. So I normally enter regs through the system once a day. My other forums are content with a few times a week as they can also read while they wait.
People will also have to be patient because running these forums and managing their users/databases and such are not my primary job. They are something I do as a way to contribute to society. It is great that so many people have an interest in banding together against Netwinner but please folks, one thing at a time and when I’m able to get to it would be good.
As for your account…
You were added to the system yesterday morning. 5/21. This is going to be an extra bit of hoobeejoo for us to do to get you in there and you’ll need to participate in the process.
I’ve just changed your password to one I made up. I’m going to email that to Becky at comparerewards@yahoo.com. You should then email her to find out what it is. Log in. Change your password. Make note of it and you’re done.
Give it a bit because I need to finish up what I’m doing before I send it.
Oh and a note folks:
I won’t be able to process new registrations again until after the Memorial Day Holiday. Feel free to read in the meantime. Thanks.
John D’s reply:
Sorry, I didn’t know. But when you get the chance, see what you can do to get me on as the fix that Becky gave me doesn’t seem to want to work.
Have a good holiday.
.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 23, 2008 at 12:10 pm

Normally I woldn’t say to go this way but try a new registration and let me know the name so I can look for it. Keep an eye on your spam folder if the confirmation email isn’t in your regular email.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 23, 2008 at 4:31 pm

I see you made it in on your original id John. :)

Anonymous May 23, 2008 at 7:17 pm

me too , i never got my 2nd email confirmation

Anonymous May 23, 2008 at 7:19 pm

whats up with netwinner central its DOWN ( the netwinner forum)

Anonymous May 24, 2008 at 2:55 pm

They took it down yesterday. As usual no announcement was made to let anyone know why ahead of time. The scuttlebutt is that they’re revamping the place or that it’s just not viable anymore because they don’t have too many fans left after ripping everybody off. Only time will tell.

thecommittee May 24, 2008 at 3:14 pm

Or, as someone else so insightfully and probably rightfully observed, they may not need it anymore since the appropriate parties have been alerted to the click-fraud going on. The contests are no longer a viable means of producing income.
Maybe that was the sole purpose of the forum in the first place. That would explain all the name-calling, rude comments and lack of answers about late payments, wouldn’t it?
Nice to know we’ve saved screenshots and emails and chatlogs.

jetskimax May 25, 2008 at 12:46 pm

I have been following these events for over a month now and I feel badly for all parties involved.
Is it remotely possible to be upset, take action and not become involved with personal attacks? I am very disappointed by some of the comments that I have read on several forums posted by members who had redemptions reversed.
How can there be a discussion with an angry lynch mob? Some of you don’t want answers, you want blood. Some of you are entering a gray area of harrassment. You can be an advocate and still act in a dignified and respectful manner.
Posting threads and personal insults all over the internet does not further your cause, instead it reflects on you as being out of control and vicious. I’m hoping that cooler heads will somehow prevail as everyone follows through with what ever avenues they feel best suits their needs.

Becky May 25, 2008 at 4:45 pm

You know, it’s funny you should say that, Jetskimax.
I was incredibly disappointed to see some of the comments that you left on NetWinnerCentral immediately before the site went down. When you say that you have a problem with posting personal insults, I guess that doesn’t apply to you? Because I’d think that calling the people who inhabit the alternate NW forum the “lunatic fringe,” and, what was it, overweight housewives with nothing else better to do, to be less than dignified and respectful. It was also disingenuous to try to characterize what happened with your Open Forum account as your being banned because you refused to fly the “I hate NetWinner” flag…when in all actuality it was not “deleted” but temporarily disabled AT YOUR REQUEST and you were told that you were welcome to return at any time if you could follow the forum rules.
Yes, absolute disappointment is what I felt when I read your post on NWC, and I was in the middle of responding to it to say so when the site went down. And disappointment is what I feel right now, knowing that you’re an active member on Shelly’s forum, yet you criticize those members who were ripped off by NW instead of publicly chastizing her members and current NW mods, Neeners and FieryVixen (who have been paid through January, by the way), who went so far down the road of bitterness and childish retaliation that they made “piss on you” avatars with my name in it, along with Leftie’s and Nicky’s. Where is your righteous indignation about that?
But you know, bottom line: your bias doesn’t matter, and neither does mine. What it’s going to come down to is the legal determinations that will be made by the AG’s office and the FTC. As members continue to file their complaints, we’ll have to wait to see what develops.
I would hope that angry members would channel their energy into pursuing these complaints rather than making personal attacks, but everyone has the right to react to this very personal betrayal by a trusted company and supposedly loyal player advocates in whatever way he or she feels is best.

leftie May 25, 2008 at 5:37 pm

When the children put on a diaper and stop pissing on me then maybe I will change my attitude also – I did nothing to them except let the truth be known that they were paid and the players were not – sound fair to you?? Doesn’t sound fair to me and yet they still stick up for the site – at least what we say is written for all to see not behind closed doors and sites that are not open to everyone.

Anonaymoose May 25, 2008 at 5:39 pm

Yes, I do seem to remember that Nicky gave you at least 2 opportunities and begged you to tell her what YOU WANTED to do with your account. I also believe it was YOU that asked for your acct. to be closed. You came barging in with both barrels loaded and just fired that dirty mouth off at anyone who even looked your way. So please don’t make me start copy/pasting your posts here. You wouldn’t want to look foolish, would you?

tlnblue May 25, 2008 at 5:39 pm

I’ve seen your kind before, Jetskimax. The wishy-washy, fence-sitting person who takes up people’s time to divert attention from the real issues just to initiate some kind of debate over right and wrong.
One minute you’re buttering people up, the next you’re tearing them down. If any gray area exists, it’s your motivations. At least we know why they lied to us and strung us along. It was greed, pure and simple. And we know why the anti-netwinner folks are upset. They’re experiencing normal feelings from a normal process in the stage of loss; anger, resentment and hurt.
What’s making you tick, Jetskimax? What are your true intentions here. First you claimed to be writing an article about gaming, then you announced that yourself and several members of your family had been burned by Netwinner. So, which is it? Are you an unbiased observer interested in journaling about the gaming industry or a member? Maybe you’re intimately involved with one of the moderators. Perhaps your sister or best friend or boyfriend, girlfriend, cousin, husband or wife?
You’ve aired your side, but you haven’t offered any supporting reasons. You leave the reader to wonder what planet you just rode in from. If you’re one of them then be one of them. Go get paid, for crying out loud! I’m sure there’s still a few bucks lying around the office they could scrape up for you. If you’re on the side of right and good then start acting like you are and stop wasting everyone’s time with your sociopathic behavior! No one even understands what exactly you’re trying to persuade them to think or do. The only thing I can ween from your barrage of criticism is that you’re afraid of something. What is it, Jet? What are you afraid of? That someone you know, like, love might have to answer for their crimes? What underlying force could possibly be motivating you?

Anonymous May 25, 2008 at 5:44 pm

I think maybe she’s feeling a little dirty from here association with dirty people. You play in a pig pen, you get dirty, dear. Now, go wash up and come back when you have a better perspective. And please, do some research before you start slinging accusations around, ok?

jetskimax May 25, 2008 at 6:37 pm

Hello Becky, I hope you are taking the time to enjoy this wonderful Holiday weekend with your friends and family between posting here and elsewhere. I know I am. Just had some scrumptious shrimp and pork with BBQ pineapple. Okay now, I’ll take a few minutes to respond to some of the points in your post. And then I have some friendly advice for you that I think you will probably agree with…
* My thread topic at NWC was not directed at any one particular forum. I was inspired and thoughtful about how different each of our perspectives may be about the concept of free speech. It’s acuaully a topic I have written about for a very long time. I have a draft and would be happy to post it here for additional discussion if you would like. My peers thought it was a pithy and wry take on something that we discuss often. Not everyone shares my sarcastic humour.
* Let’s be open and frank about my participation at the other forum. It was not welcome. Period. Admin requested a PM which I sent and my account was deactivated before receiving a response. Differing thoughts, views and opinions are not welcome on that forum.
* Shelly’s Forum; nice, small and cozy…obviously geared towards a close circle of friends and family. Mostly freebies, recipes… I posted some songs yesterday evening. I do not criticise anyone nor do I chastize them. I agree that the “pissing” avatar was in poor taste and noticed it was gone earlier today. I also think that by uploading the avatar and creating a thread you further drew attention to the original avatar, which was the new forum ‘Admin avatar “pissing” on the NW logo. So, two forums pissing on each other serves what purpose?
* Righteous indignation; had to chew on that one mentally a bit. I guess my “righteous indignation” lies with the child victims of land mines in third world countries, with victims of natural catastrophic events that are ignored by their governments and with those that are without the benefits & resources of this country to have a warm meal and a roof over their heads each evening. In the large scheme of things, and only speaking for myself, the Netwinner fiasco is not a major world event just a blip in internet commerce gone wrong that hopefully will be resolved.
Finally, here is my personal advice and I know that right now you are too angry and hurt to listen but, maybe in a few days you will at least think about it. You have lost your objectivity regarding all sides considered in the Netwinner mess. I know how hurt you were by the corporate response to your “porn” topic. That is totally understandable.
To be the best advocate or ombudsman for this cause you have taken on you need to put your personal feelings aside and be totally focused on representing the members who look to you for guidance. Be the gentle voice of reason that all of us depend on and need. You have a voice. Use it well.

Becky May 25, 2008 at 7:28 pm

Hi, Jetskimax! I’ve had the most wonderful holiday weekend, as a matter of fact — thank you for asking! Despite his age, Harrison Ford is still quite the hottie, and I enjoyed the new Indiana Jones movie immensely.
Actually, I’m pretty sure I interpreted your post on NWC exactly the way it was intended. When NWC returns, though, I will definitely re-read it and see if perhaps I was being unfair in my interpretation of it. I would love to read your draft of the article you wrote about varying concepts of free speech, especially if it would help me gain some insight into how you define it personally. I’m having difficulty gaining any kind of understanding of what you really believe about anything from reading your posts and comments.
I’m pretty sure I pegged what happened to your account on the Open Forum accurately as well, but of course I urge everyone to read the thread and judge for themselves. The post is here: http://www.freepowerboards.com/theopenforum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75
You seriously don’t think that you criticize or chastise people? What was, “angry lynch mob,” “you want blood,” “harassment,” “out of control and vicious”…? What was “lunatic fringe”? Did I misread the sarcasm and subtle humor in all that, too?
While I do appreciate your attempts at psychoanalysis, they did give me a bit of a chuckle, as I’m totally not angry or hurt in the least by anything NW said to me. Why should I be? I was completely proven right about NetWinner. The concerns I voiced were completely vindicated by their actions in refusing to pay their members. I am angry, though — I’ve gotten to know a lot of NW members who were ripped off by the company, and their anger is my anger. How can a company repudiate its debt, proclaim itself “solvent,” kick the vocal complainers off their forum, tell the BBB that EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM was a cheater, and continue on with “business as usual”? That does make me mad, yes. It should make you mad, too.
Maybe your ties to Matt and his family create too much of a bias for you to see what transpired in an impartial way. Maybe I’m biased against the company because I have a strong moral compass and am angry at how they treated nice, honest folks. Luckily for all of us, the final authority on the matter will be the US justice system. They will be the ones to determine whether this company committed and continues to commit false advertising, a possible illegal sweepstakes, breach of contract, and click fraud…and to what extent various employees including paid moderators will be legally and civilly liable.
In the meantime, I think you and I may have to respectfully agree to disagree on what constitutes criticism, lunacy, “dignified and respectful,” free speech, and pretty much everything else.

tlnblue May 25, 2008 at 7:28 pm

Wow, you certainly have a charming way of glossing over the facts. I have no desire to visit Shelley’s forum but whatever it boasts, the attendees sure don’t represent the “apple pie and baseball” you so earnestly try to project. These are the same people who callously led hundreds, even thousands of members on day after day, promising they’d get paid for participating in Netwinner’s Advergame Network. The same people who took early payouts, never bothered to let anyone know, told each other to keep hush about it, furiously deleted posts, chats and threads in an attempt to cover it up and then mocked the very same members who believed in them, who “looked to them to be voices of reason that they depended on and needed.”
Really, Jet…what’s with this insatiable desire to play one side against the other?
You went to the open forum to try to dillute their attempts at recourse. You were challenged and rather than responding with solid reasoning, you cried foul play. You don’t have solid grounds for your off-base perspective because there aren’t any. On the other hand, they’ve provided the authorities with more than enough evidence of Netwinner’s misdeeds. Skeptics and fence-sitters can now base their opinions on fact, not hearsay.

jetskimax May 25, 2008 at 7:36 pm

Whoa, hold on, lol. I’m still trying to read, reply to a post several above and watch a movie. I enjoy reading all of the posts here. I promise I’ll reply…just knock it off with the tag-teaming okay?

Anonymous May 25, 2008 at 8:19 pm

Perhaps you had better pay careful attention to what you are saying instead of just typing with your eyes closed, as you appear to be doing. Nice job, though. I have to give you credit for being a catalyst for argument. However, you are also proving that you know nothing of what actually happened. Again, I urge you to do your resesarch before posting. I promise, it will make you look less “dingy” ;)

Anonymous May 25, 2008 at 8:23 pm

BTW..I suggest anyone that wants to “meet and greet” about what happened at NW and NWC, join us at the Open Forum. We actually encourage people to speak their minds and discuss both sides of the issue at hand. And you get to play games and meet a great bunch of people in the process! http://www.freepowerboards.com/theopenforum/index.php

jetskimax May 25, 2008 at 8:31 pm

I did not mean to ignore your post tlnblue, I missed it earlier. Just this once I’m going to address your comments seriously. Your post was both disturbing and fascinating at the same time. Following your thought process is akin to picking up the lid off a garbage can after it’s been in the sun for a very long time. Fascinating.
Where do I start? “Wishy-washy” ah..nope. “Debate over right and wrong” – again, nope, just question the efficacy of your methods.
Now here was a true gem…
“Maybe you’re intimately involved with one of the moderators. Perhaps your sister or best friend or boyfriend, girlfriend, cousin,husband or wife” nope…but you get an A plus for lunatic conspiracy theories.
I’m not trying to convince anyone to think any thing..just to think. What am I afraid of? Perhaps that someone may wander in here and take the opinions expressed as factual. There has to be balance in all things. Every time that I see a statement posted that is dripping in hyperbole and bias, I’ll post. Not just here.
I am speechless to respond to your other comments about planets, etc. But I do think that you would be hard pressed to say the things that you do if you were not cowering behind your keyboard. I own what I post and would say the same things face to face. Would you?
So, how about it tlnblue. Why don’t we have a civil and friendly conversation on the phone? Becky has my email…wouldn’t be hard to set up. Would be interesting to put a voice to the words you post so freely. Bring it on.

Anonymous May 25, 2008 at 8:39 pm

“There has to be balance in all things. Every time that I see a statement posted that is dripping in hyperbole and bias, I’ll post. Not just here.”
Whoa…I’m impressed. I am in the presence of the God of the internet! Thank you, oh wonderous one, for protecting me from the evil of the internets. You are truly awesome and I hope that you can save millions from a fate worse than …well worse than Netwinner! :)
Really, no. I am a little worried about your sense of self-importance. Perhaps you should seek counciling? If you cannot afford it, I am sure NW will pay up soon and you can use your gift cards to pay the therapist.
Ok, I’m done with you. This is starting to turn into a “pay attention to ME! Don’t you know who I am? I am the Jetskimax!” thread, and that’s not what it is supposed to be for. I’m bored now. Shoo, fly.

jetskimax May 25, 2008 at 8:44 pm

Missed the second post…
“Really, Jet…what’s with this insatiable desire to play one side against the other?”
On the contrary. While you are encouraging the members to cannibilize each other I have only suggested they seek legal recourse.
PS to anonymous: Use a real name if you want a real response :)

Anonymous May 25, 2008 at 9:07 pm

Why? Not like you have given any real responses yet. Just sniped people. So no, I will not. Make me, oh god of the internets.:)

tlnblue May 25, 2008 at 9:34 pm

Paragraph after paragraph of basically nothing. You bring nothing to the table, Jet. Please stop digressing from the issues. If you have something to say that directly conflicts with the main themes of discussion, then by all means, cough it up. For instance, are you a supporter of anarchy? As a U.S. citizen, do you benefit from our justice system? Do you believe people should be tried for their alleged crimes (behavior) or the amount of accomplices they have? How do you feel about identity theft, sexual predators, embezzlers? Some of those offenders could have “cozy, little forums” too. They could swap recipes. Are you pretty comfortable with them roaming around freely on the internet? Would you want your children hanging out with them in chatrooms? Do you think some crimes should be pursued while others are ignored?
Lastly, what do you think of the saying, “Put principles before personalities”?

The Watcher May 25, 2008 at 9:39 pm

Jetskimax said:
“I’m not trying to convince anyone to think any thing..just to think. What am I afraid of? Perhaps that someone may wander in here and take the opinions expressed as factual. There has to be balance in all things. Every time that I see a statement posted that is dripping in hyperbole and bias, I’ll post. Not just here.”
Well, there ya have it ladies and gentlemen.
For everyone who has been struggling to discern Jetskimax’s motivation, she just accidentally exposed it for you.
Read what she just said. “Every time that I see a statement posted that is dripping in hyperbole and bias, I’ll post. Not just here.”
She has ties to Netwinner and has an agenda to follow people around the net and make sure they don’t say bad things about the company that gives her, how does she put it, “excellent earning opportunities.” It’s not about truth with her, it’s about protecting Netwinner’s reputation. By setting up strawmen arguments and knocking them down, she’s trying to discredit anyone who has a different opinion.
She is not an unbiased observer, she is not a journalist, and she is not an advocate.
She’s a corporate shill with an agenda to follow people around and spread pro-Netwinner bias in her wake.
Plain and simple.

Anonymous May 25, 2008 at 10:01 pm

Huh..I wonder if they pay her by the word or by the site?

jetskimax May 25, 2008 at 10:01 pm

tlnblue… I’m a moderate Republican who voted for Obama in the NC primaries.
That should answer your questions about my political views.
I do not think that child sex offenders should have “cozy little chat rooms”.
I have not strayed from the central topic. You have.
What do you think of the saying “Pride cometh before a fall”?
At what point did you become more important than the purpose of this topic, this Forum?

Anonymous May 25, 2008 at 10:05 pm

“Jetskimax said:
“I’m not trying to convince anyone to think any thing..just to think. What am I afraid of? Perhaps that someone may wander in here and take the opinions expressed as factual. There has to be balance in all things. Every time that I see a statement posted that is dripping in hyperbole and bias, I’ll post. Not just here.”
Well, there ya have it ladies and gentlemen.
For everyone who has been struggling to discern Jetskimax’s motivation, she just accidentally exposed it for you.
Read what she just said. “Every time that I see a statement posted that is dripping in hyperbole and bias, I’ll post. Not just here.”
She has ties to Netwinner and has an agenda to follow people around the net and make sure they don’t say bad things about the company that gives her, how does she put it, “excellent earning opportunities.” It’s not about truth with her, it’s about protecting Netwinner’s reputation. By setting up strawmen arguments and knocking them down, she’s trying to discredit anyone who has a different opinion.
She is not an unbiased observer, she is not a journalist, and she is not an advocate.
She’s a corporate shill with an agenda to follow people around and spread pro-Netwinner bias in her wake.
Plain and simple.”
You are kidding, right? I know that there are some “dumb” people who might stumble upon your post and somehow, somewhere follow your line of reasoning.
What are you going to do about the other 95 percent that can’t make the connection that you have?
Nice nickname by the way, very imaginative. :)

Anonymous May 25, 2008 at 10:21 pm

Who are you, Anonymous?

Becky May 25, 2008 at 10:25 pm

I hate to do this, but I’m shutting this post down to new comments. Post on your forums of choice, but I don’t have the time or patience to moderate this continued debate on my turf.

Comments on this entry are closed.

{ 1 trackback }