Since its inception, NetWinner.com used YouTube videos as a tool to advertise their program to potential new members. Now that medium is being used against them, as members who were shafted by the program’s May 12th decision to simply NOT PAY WHAT THEY OWED are creating their own videos, and they paint a far less rosy picture of the program.
Yesterday, another irate NetWinner member posted a video. “NetWinner: Know More,” to the tune of Three Dog Night’s “Liar,” explains poster pkb143‘s personal experience with NW. A former NetWinner VIP member, pkb143 is owed $200 by the site. “You play NetWinner…they’ll play you!” her video says.
I contacted pkb143 for an interview about her video and she most graciously agreed.
Thank you for taking the time to talk with me. Should I call you pkb143 or do you want to share your first name?
My first name is Patty.
Is this the first video you’ve ever made?
No, actually the first one was one I made for a Netwinner Addict video contest!
I would ask why you decided to make this video, but it’s pretty clear — you are very steamed about this program and how it treated you and others. Tell me about your experience as a NetWinner member: Were you a member for a long time? Did you play the games a lot? Did they ever pay you?
I became a member of Netwinner in September 2006 and yes, I played their games a lot (my husband would say, “obsessively”). They paid me four times for point redemptions and a cash prize. The last prize I won in October 2007, and I waited 5 1/2 months for that.
The signs were there as far back as last fall that NetWinner was getting behind in payments. Did you think, back then, that the site would ever just…REFUSE…to pay their members? Why did you continue playing?
No, I had absolute faith in Netwinner (as many loyal/”VIP” members did) and as I commented above, I knew they were really behind in fulfillment — my last prize took 5 1/2 months, but I got it. Knowing they had paid me and others before, although very late, and hearing constant reassurances on the forum from the administrator and mods that we would be paid kept me playing. Plus, I enjoyed the interaction, socializing and contests on the forum, too. I made many friends there over the almost 2 years I played.
Your video takes direct aim at NetWinner’s paid forum moderator, mjp65, by quoting him just 3.5 weeks before the site canceled all cashouts as saying, “Netwinner pays all members,” and by asking viewers to be the judge of whether he was a “liar.” Do you think NetWinner’s moderators and staff knew this was coming?
I’m still debating that one, really. mjp65 (Mike) often stated that Netwinner was the best place to play on the net, “bar none”; also that everyone would receive their prizes. I hope his superiors kept him better informed than he says he was – but who knows? At any rate, he represented the company to us. I don’t really think the mods knew, maybe one or two did…I’m just not sure.
What do you think of the program’s claims that the decision to cancel cashouts was a result of fraud and/or the economy? What do you think the company should have done?
There was undoubtedly fraud….game sites should expect that in general, I would think, especially if the prizes are lucrative, but 40% of your players? That’s hard for me to imagine. Whatever the number is, Netwinner made a commitment to its players, many of us the same people who helped them become the popular site they were. Then when they should have honored their commitments, they took us, chewed us up and spit us out, without a second thought, so that (in my opinion) they could balance the books.
What would you say to people considering joining NetWinner, or to websites considering partnering with the program?
Although I enthusiastically recruited new members for Netwinner in the past, I certainly can’t now, and can’t support someone who decides to join on their own. Look how they treated their longtime loyal players! Have you seen any evidence that their SOP has changed; can you trust them now? I can’t support any Netwinner partners now, either; if they don’t care what their “partner” did to their players then they don’t deserve my support.
Thanks for talking with us, Patty! I hope you’re able to recover the funds NetWinner owes you.
I’m not counting on getting that $200, but since Netwinner got the benefit of my prior video via the “addict contest,” I made the new video to set the record straight now.
Thank you, Becky, for giving us a voice! I wish I would have believed you the first time you predicted things weren’t right in NetwinnerLand!
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Fantastic, girl! Absolutely perfect!
Woohoo! (insert loud applause here) Fantastic job..great interview
Great job… love it!
hippi, you said you were banned but I thought you just thought you were until Poof your membership status changed right before my eyes to banned while reading one of your posts. 9:54pm
Well I sent an email asking why I was banned. I didn’t do anything wrong that I can think of. I think they just went on a banning spree and banned everyone that wasn’t in their “Sanctuary” forum.
Great video & interview!!! Thanks for being honest & upfront with the stories on NW, I just hope they are forced to pay the members what they were owed before they took them away, they should not be able to get away with this, it’s not fair!!!
I noticed at least 2 were banned today. It’s hard to keep up when whole topics disappear.
Here are the banned NW forum members that I know of .
leftie
Banned
shellkate
Banned
dollphyn
Banned
Cherbear
Banned
kiarasmamaw
Banned
duchess44
Banned
MelodyCampagna
Banned
hippigypsy
Banned
shellbear
Banned
mamaliz45
Banned
justlee
Banned
goodvibrations
Banned
funnifarm
Banned
mikeysback
Banned
asantanafl
Banned
Eloian
Banned
Cool..see all of you at the new forum!
I don’t understand why they have a General Questions and Comments area when everything just gets locked, deleted or moved to the Serenity Now part of the forum. I wouldn’t doubt them putting the NetGripewinner thread there soon so they could make the banning easier.
You know, the logic is escaping me….explain why someone gets banned for posting a LINK to my video, but I am not banned for MAKING the video???
**and thanks for all the nice words on the video. I hope I expressed how many of us feel. It was straight from the heart, or maybe gut, and now I feel a little sad about “Netwinner Lost.”
Awesome video – well done andhope it spreads themessage to those who haven’t heard the news!
Just wanted to add another thank you to Becky. I didn’t know about this forum, but will be coming back often….lots of great information. I never would have known who to contact to at least try and get justice for all of us former players. I feel really good about all the people trying to do something
And, again, pkb, an awesome job on the video and interview.
I’ve registered at the new site as well and will be checking in as soon as I’m confirmed. Thanks for the new forum, too.
You could not have said it better pkb! Much better than my comments the last and only time I have posted since the bad news.
Just hope it gets to the players that are not aware of what happened. I would think a lot of players have never visited the forums.
” You play…We Pay”…… It still says that! shame!
The forum they are talking about is this one:
http://www.freepowerboards.com/theopenforum/index.php
It was made by one of our posters here so that we could have a place to talk about what has happened and to chat with each other better because Becky’s blog wasn’t meant to be a forum type site. Her servers are getting overwhelmed by all the comments and visitors
Awesome PKB. I too will keep up on this site along with the new forum. I will always check here before joining new programs. This is an awesome place. I know a lot of us miss NWC just for our friendships. But look around here. Our REAL friends are right here with us. Real friends are the ones with you through the bad times.
Oh and Becky. You can also let us know in the new forum if we need to jump back here quickly…lol
i cant believe i got banned, i dont think i said anything wrong oh wait, im not a NLoser kiss up… i just told the truth about the glitches (why fix them when it was a money site but fix them now since it suits them better) NScam is better suited
Yup… Just had it confirmed from here that I was banned.. Well Netwinner can now KISS my You know What.. Jerks.
Who the hell needs them.
just signed up for the forums and wanted to post her incase there was any question as to who i was.
btw i got a response from the ftc today about my complaint they have forwarded it the office that handles that sort of complaints and i also got a reply from the doj for the united states and they have forwarded it to the ftc lol i am sure i will get another email from the ftc again telling me they have received the complaint and have forwarded it to the proper office.duhhhhhhhhhhh which way did he go which way did he go.
i am still waiting on a reply from one other person/office with info on what everyone can do and who would be the best person or the best office to contact.
i’m just sick of netwinner. i’m going with moola from now on. they pay and it’s so much more fun. oh, if anyone here needs a moola invite i have some left. email me at msaamc@yahoo.com
Posted by: shellbear
Date: May 19, 2008 11:07 PM
i cant believe i got banned, i dont think i said anything wrong oh wait, im not a NLoser kiss up… i just told the truth about the glitches (why fix them when it was a money site but fix them now since it suits them better) NScam is better suited
i told mjp and hardtimer they should change their avatars to MILLI VANILLI… because they’re as real as MILLI VANILLI
from what i hear the mods are doing what i heard them discuss some 9-10 months ago. of course not much to talk about if everyone shares the same ideals along with the same brain ( only one can post at the same time)will sort of be like that movie night of the living dead. but instead of mumbling about brains it will be raffle tickets raffle ticket i want raffle tickets.
I want to say a few things before i head over to the “NW Banned convention ” on the other forum .
PKB your my hero , love that video !
Becky , youve been more than awesome , helpful and just so darned tolerant of us and our ravings .
This is an awesome site , i know many of us have it bookmarked and will make it part of our daily routine .
And though i never made many friends on the NWC forum itself , ive made so many on here and gotten to know everyone , its like were all a big family now .. with that i will put down the tissue and drag my banned butt over to the new forum !!
Great video pkb and awesome interview. Registered at the forum but won’t be home to get my confirmation email – can’t get into hotmail at work – oh well will be in there after work today.
Great job on the video. Wish i had the talent to make one. All of our hard work seems to have an effect. Let’s keep it going. I visit the netwinner site without logging in and click on the “winners” box. I can remember the day when i would click one frame ahead and then click back and three pages have gone by from all the players. Now it takes 5 minutes to fill a page. Really slow over there. Word is spreading but until they are closed and prosecuted our job isn’t done. Good luck to all.
You’re welcome, all! I was happy to be able to give you a place to hang out, commiserate, and discuss options.
The new forum looks AWESOME! If you haven’t gotten an account there yet, it’s the NetWinner forum you’ve always wanted — fun with your friends, and truth without censorship!
http://www.freepowerboards.com/theopenforum/index.php
If you’re just joining us and you’re wondering what you can do about the money NetWinner owes you, here’s a master list of contacts:
http://comparerewards.blogspot.com/
PKB, thanks again for the video and the interview!
Jack, would it be okay if I edited your post with other banned members I noted?
I have been outted LOL..I feel free to post using my “real” name now..and I am sure it will show up quite alot in the “networld” in the coming days.
Thanks for the new forum I joined and am awaiting the door to be opened.
And Becky thanks so much for giving us this opportunity and all the links.I am thinking about my next move …
I will return every time I am considering joining a new site thats for sure and please keep us posted at the forum if you hear anything juicy;)
Posted by: m00la
Date: May 19, 2008 11:31 PM
i told mjp and hardtimer they should change their avatars to MILLI VANILLI… because they’re as real as MILLI VANILLI
I seen that right before I got banned – I laughed so hard..
Also as far as Moola goes, I have to totally agree with you..I use to spin on netwinner all the time but once I was introduced to “Moola” the spinning at NW basically came to a standstill..although I still did $125 in cashouts at NW that I’ve been waiting on for 6 months (all down the drain).
Becky I just want to thank you so much for helping everyone with this..and I want to thank all the others that have posted such helpful links and ideas of what to do.
pkb – your video was awesome – If I only had the talent to do something like that
I just posted above and forgot to put in my name – I posted as anon right up there ^^^lol
The netwinner central forum is DOWN. It’s admin entrance only now. I bet they are deleted all the banned people’s posts.
NWC offline
chech out the alexa traffic report Down!
What a wicked web they weave…
for those that already believe that netwinner is a scam here is more proof and for th0ose of you that still lurking around in the shadows that believe that netwinner is just misunderstood here is a eye opener for you.
http://isitrigged.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/wwwnetwinnercom/
after reading this what it tells me is that should netwinner ever have a winner of their jackpot it will be to a person of their own choosing and not that of someone who has gotten lucky.
here is some info on a related story.
for those that are members of lottaloot forums i am unsure if mjp is the owner of that site or not ( i can tell that he has a big voice and manages the master list there ) but for those of you that in the past few weeks that have posted your concerns there without a answer. and with what has transpired and to not have the master up dated ( to me this is strange seeing that forums is against fraud/scam lottos) and had netwinner removed from the master list i would seriously think about continued support of that site. i am not saying that the site its self is a scam but it is showing support by not removing netwinner from the master list. and seeing that mjp is the author i do not see that ever changing. so i would say STOP SUPPORTING MIKE(mjp)there are various other sites that will give you the same info about online scam lottos and they would not give info that is false only because they are employees of a site.
MJP is a mod over there, not the owner. At least I don’t believe he is. His sig line states something to the effect of “I work at Netwinner and I moderate this forum.” Of course, I don’t think he will be showing his face on lottalottos anytime soon.
MJP is a mod over there, not the owner. At least I don’t believe he is. His sig line states something to the effect of “I work at Netwinner and I moderate this forum.” I also noticed ALL of his posts on lottalottos have been edited. Not recently, but all of them are edited. Of course, I don’t think he will be showing his face on lottalottos anytime soon.
well i would hope that the owners lottatottos would look into this. if netwinner is allowed to stay on thier master list and lottalotto is a site that tries to inform people of scams and provides a master list of the sites that are honest and does pay then it seems to me that allowing netwinner to remain on their master list would sort of lower the trust that anyone would have in their site to provide info on honest sites. i know if i was the owner and had nothing to gain from netwinner being on my master list and that site has proven to not fulfill their members cashouts to the extent that netwinner has gone their site would be removed instantly along with any mention of support for that site of course that is what i would do because i would want to inform people of the truth.
Has anyone gone to lottalottos and asked them about this?
I recently wrote to a forum administrator about their Netwinner links being listed in a “Sticky Post” at the top of the forum and while I didn’t receive a personal response back, the next time I looked, the post was gone. I wrote again to thank the person. It’s just a small victory but a lot of little ones add up quick.
Try writing and politely asking if references or links to Netwinner can be removed considering the atrocious track record of not honoring their own commitments.
Is anyone getting to the forums yet? I know it said 6PM but it goes to the login page now.
You mean they’re even letting us back in?? lol
Nope, I’m still banned – guess they don’t like me very much – my poor heart is just breaking now – but MIKE so is my silence
I just come across another agency to report Internet crimes to. Yall may have already seen this ,but if not please check it out
http://www.ic3.gov/complaint/
Oh ,I almost forgot …Im still waiting to be activated for the new forum ….Im lookin forward to it even tho I dont say a whole lot. Ya’ll please KNOW that Im right here (usually just reading posts).
I want so bad to get the word out about Netloser and force them out of buisiness at the least …As long as we can accomplish that ,I’ll be happy …..anything more would just be 25x 5000 :-0 (frosting on the cake)
Someone who did get in said they had deleted all threads to do with posting ad links. That means they found out the advertisers have been notified.
Yep, can’t even find an old closed contest….there used to be lots of tricky bastard threads, but not a one to be found anymore.
leftie
i saw a post of yours on another forum about some evidence that netwinner only intended to pay just certain people. is there any wy that you could provide this info to the rest of us on this forum. because if it is a i.m from someone in netwinner stating that they only intend to pay like the mods then this would go a long way in proving that the companies decision to not pay members had nothing to do with cheaters or the economy but rather their own choices. this would also perhaps show some others what sort of company netwinner is ( namely those still playing because they don’t have a mind of their own )
i signed up for the new forum last night and got the first confirmation email but i never got the second one saying i was approved or whatever, how long does it take?
Cool I got banned and never got a warning! netwinner sucks! All I posted was I had to go to the 2nd page to find the gripe thread cause I missed my friends the complainers! thats ok my better half has a account and I’m not telling his screen name…..
I bet we fill up tonight again. Seems like they are still on a banning kick. It is a pleasure being banned with all you. There is a move (Band of brothers) We can call ourselves (Banned of Netwinners)
shelkate…if you haven’t done so yet you need to file a complaint at http://www.ripoffreport.com/ and http://www.gptboycott.com/submit.php
I sure will Thanks I also joined the new forumn… I never hid my screen name and ain’t about to now….I am so mad!!!!!!!I’m gonna slam them everywhere I can some send me to the right places….I’m in for the long haul ..I will stand beside all those banned over not being an A** kisser!
shelkate. Scroll up on this forum. Becky has a blog link with many places we need to file.
Has anyone noticed that Boomtowne has already changed it’s payout time from 4 wks to 8 wks?
i signed up for that other forum but never got another email confirming … how long does that 2nd email take ?????
i so want to start posting over there
After being treated the way I did, I wanted to know what was causing the glitch and how can I recommend them as to how to fix the glitch. With my knowledge to flash programming, I downloaded the banko.swf file and decompiled the action script out of it so I can view the source code (completely legal, although frowned upon in the flash community). While observing the source code I came across multiple lines of code which raised suspicion of fraud. The site claims and advertises that their games are “games of chance, or games of luck.” But the content I was looking at suggest otherwise. The balls aren’t randomly drawn like at a bingo hall, their was no random block of code in there, the balls were reliant on a remote server which suggests that they them selves control which numbers are called. The numbers of balls being called per games wasn’t random as informed in the how to play instructions either, it was reliant on the remote server as well. I also found the array(s) in which the balls are stored. I say array(s) with an S’ signalizing plural because they are stored in 2 arrays, a “winning ball array” and a “anti-winning ball array.” The winning ball array contains the balls that are on your card, the anti-winng ball array holds the balls that are not.
What this all means is, NetWinner is rigged. How is it rigged? Well, if NetWinner has control of the numbers and the amount of balls that are called per game, they can manipulate which balls are called, when they will be called, and when to stop calling the balls. Which also means that the prizes will be predetermined.
So when I turned down the bingo, and the 4 corners for something greater and wasn’t credited when I won on the pattern it was because I wasn’t expected to go that far into the game. I wasn’t suppose to win more than 20 points that game so I wasn’t credited the 250 for the pattern that was uncovered. Likewise, when I was needed 1 number in 5 different ways (any ball that came out that was a number I had I’d win) to get the Jackpot, the anti-winning ball array ran out of items (numbers), trying to prevent me from getting it and defaulted to it’s default number of 0’s (ie: K-0).
I contacted the administrator my finding, and for the most part he agreed. He stated, “we would have to be complete fools if we didn’t have a control as to who wins what.” I replied with, “If your prizes accommodated the rate at which your sponsors pay you, there would be no need to rig your games. Instead, you have ridiculous prizes to gain peoples interest in your site but can not, nor attend to pay them if they should hit those ridiculously high prizes.” He then said, “OK heard enough from you and then quickly banned me and forfeited the 58,000 points I had earned over the course of my membership.
When I received a reason as to why I was banned, it had nothing to do with decompiling the game and checking out the source code, why? Because I wasn’t in violation of the TOS. Instead they gave false accusation,
http://isitrigged.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/wwwnetwinnercom/
I too still haven’t gotten the 2nd email so I can post on the other forum……
I registered for the other forum last night. Never got 2nd email but it lets me sign in and post today. You might just want to try it
Thanks! I was able to log in. I tried earlier, but wasn’t able to.
I knew banko was rigged the site said so but here is proof they were sharing our e-mails too.
http://isitrigged.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/wwwnetwinnercom/
what is that site that was posted that had a bunch of the partner sites listed, i believe it was for integrity reasons or something like that (they would have to pull out if nloser was found to be a scam or something)
Posted by: John D
Date: May 20, 2008 6:37 PM
Has anyone noticed that Boomtowne has already changed it’s payout time from 4 wks to 8 wks?
They have gotten real busy lately, especially with all the new members comeing in from NW. Net staff has been hired so hopefully they will catch up with it all.
Netwinner’s due date has expired on responding to my complaint I had filed with the BBB. BBB sent me a letter today and said the company has not replied with a response to my complaint. I’m not surprised.
I also joined Boomertowne. It’s taking me a while to get use to the site, but I like the variety there.
Misty, none of us will get our money. The only people making money will be Netwinner. If we keep up the effort we can go along way in putting a stop to that. We have already caused changes. They have to be stopped. I can’t stand to thing of a whole new crew of players going through this. Getting all excited just to have the ball dropped on them. Man..this is sad.
Applied for the new forumn could someone please send confirmation emails or whatever it takes…Thanks shellkate the banned and proud of it!I also think they are suckering newbie’s into huge lies and trying to cover their butts by banning us and deleting all negative posts over there. I’m spreading the word about their scams….
Was Boomtowne is partnersite for netwinner? If netwinner don’t pay people how their partnersite pay people?
No Boomertowne is not in partnersip with NetLoser.
Posted by: Mistyshadow44
Date: May 21, 2008 12:38 AM
I also joined Boomertowne. It’s taking me a while to get use to the site, but I like the variety there.
Add me over there Misty – same name as here – lol
Posted by: shellbear
Date: May 20, 2008 10:59 PM
what is that site that was posted that had a bunch of the partner sites listed, i believe it was for integrity reasons or something like that (they would have to pull out if nloser was found to be a scam or something)
http://www.netwinnersites.com
Can you post the web site?
what is that site that was posted that had a bunch of the partner sites listed, i believe it was for integrity reasons or something like that (they would have to pull out if nloser was found to be a scam or something)
http://www.netwinnersites.com
Posted by: Anonymous
Date: May 22, 2008 4:10 PM
Can you post the web site?
im on bt as well but i havent done anything in it yet, i havent really had time to sit down and play with it
(but anyone can add me, its the same as here)
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