Interview With Maker of Anti-NetWinner Video

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that was the first time i saw that and i almost cried i was laughing so hard (fav was the little guy peeing on the netwinner logo)very creative. here is a thought. becky if you have any friends in the t.v. /broadcasting area perhaps you could send a copy of that tape to them. i see all the time where they will feature stories like this on some of the news programs. nothing gets people more involved than the mention of scamming the elderly and the young. just a thought. figure if a newcast like nbc abc cbs ect…. got that they would show it all over the states and perhaps other areas of the world. from the mouths of babes

/cheer Jocelyn. It’s always great to see someone so young be active in taking a stand. Even many adults never realize the power they themselves have as idividuals.
I myself was once on Canadian National news giving my opinions on certain laws here after i sent feedback on a news story they did. I won’t mention what it was. Not relevant to the conversation at hand. But it sure feels great to be self empowered for what you believe.
Better yet my wife and daughter came with me for the taping and my daughter got to learn first hand that one person’s voice can be heard no matter who you are.
All the media resources available to us in this time give us all great power to effect change. If telling your story to a news agency or writing a blog or making a video apeal to you then let your voice be heard, not just on this but all the things you see fundamentlly wrong in the world.
I’ve said before….Preasure is an amazing thing in all it’s forms. Use it for the side of good.

LOL ……Was just banned for leaving this statement in the thread SUGGESTIONS FOR NW : Yeah ,I have a suggestion …..Next time you guys wanna start a new game site ….try making it an honest one and actually pay your winners …..oh and Pick other winners besides the mods buds

PERKS – what are perks??

Good point!
I find it hard to believe that someone who claims to have written software since the age of twelve would not install an auto-disconnect user function into the game software. If for no other reason to make it easier for the company to detect cheating.
PS. My wife’s pretty smart huh? )

Utilizing the same medium Netwinner used to exploit thousands of people is brilliant. Force them out of business or underground, but be sure not to break any laws while doing it. The goal is to warn potential new sign-ups. By doing that, Netwinner will have no success. If you do create videos, make sure your information is factual.
Another thought, if accused by Netwinner of cheating and you’re positive you followed the rules governing your contract between yourself and them, offer (law enforcement) your hard-drive as evidence. Since everything you do online leaves “fingerprints,” most members subject to these (ridiculous) accusations should be able to easily disprove their claims.
To reiterate previous suggestions, be sure to cruise the net looking for perfect opportunities to post about your recent distasteful experiences about Netwinner. Places such as Gather, BigBigForums, MyCoupons, DealofDay, LottsaLottos, Boomertowne, GetPaidForum and many more still lack the onslaught of comments needed to alert the public about this obvious fraud.

oooh, thanks so much Ann

Thx Anne – just waiting for the sign up email to finish the registration.

what really sucks is that some people who you thought were on your side turned. Ive seen a few people who detested what nloser did but are still there, hey, more power to them i suppose, if they honestly believe they wont get screwed again but thats not a chance im willing to take. Unfortunately we’ve seen it in every day life, you cant tell someone anything, they need to learn for themselves. Most of the people already know whats going on and its up to them to choose whether or not they wanna be a victim again
I say let the butt kissers be, eventually they’ll all see that we were right ..

I noticed in the Sanctuary From The Negativity, NetPraiseWinner thread that someone posted I love that Netwinner is starting to fulfill prizes again, Seems that posters in this forum must be getting their payouts.

Anonymous… are they saying they actually are getting their cards/reloads or being promised that they will???????

Netwinner is pretty smart I do believe. I hope some of you guys had your screenshots of redemptions and of them being removed both. Netwinner may be trying to pull another sneaky little trick. My inklings usually prove to be right. I had a gut feeling early on and I do believe it is now happening.

Mike says in his new holy forum. Anything goes as long as you arn’t trying to run us into the ground. He goes on to say (In time I think I will grow this and shrink the rest)

Sadly, I am one of the ones who didn’t get a screenshot of my prizes before they went ‘poof’. I have no record of my cashouts/requests…….. arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Because I know there are folks here who no longer have access to NWC and want to know what’s up over there, here’s an update:
It has become the most boring forum in the history of boring forums.
I guess that’s what happens when you obliterate everyone with an opposing point of view.
I always tell my kids to embrace diversity…variety is the spice of life…what a boring world it would be if everybody was just alike. Well, NWC is a case in point.
Today’s body count included mikeysback and former Mini-Mod Leftie. At this rate, there’ll be nothing left but mods by this time next week.

To acsfl and other newbies. You may have records left in your email accounts. All those confirmation letters when you cashed in are proof also. To Leftie and mikey…’welcome to the jungle’! To Becky: More thanks for your continued support and the use of your blog. We can’t thank you enough!!

Mike’s latest post:
To those who think I am abandoning the disenchanted
I know how you feel. I am willing to help all I can. If I could post letters I wrote about this mess I would, but they would just be reprinted and misquoted allover the net. I always have been a player advocate. I was before i wored here for all sites all over the net. I will be if I ever leave. However, I have looked around. There is no other place for players to go as good as right here. I will remain a presence here with angery members even as i create a different place for players who just do not want tpo be exposed to the hate, the anger and the negativity anymore.

Thanks leftie. I mean really really thanks. It has beens awful thinking not one mod, mini or otherwise cared about us. Thanks for being one that does. And welcome to our world…created by Becky

I wrote a ripoff report last night that looks like its posted now
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/332/RipOff0332821.htm
I’m sending them a screen shot of Mike admitting wrongdoing on the bribes issue so they can post it along with my comments. I would encourage everyone to file a ripoff report.

I hope everyone is doing well, and it going forwarded with their complaints on Netwinner. I have gone past the stage of being mad by being ripped off from the site. I for one will not stop filing my complaints and intend on getting the word out to as many as I can on how Netwinner has defraud it’s members. I just don’t want to see more people come victims of this type of scam.
I quit playing the games on May 12th and I’m so glad I don’t have to put up with this unprofessional site, their lies and empty promises any longer.
I see at Netwinner Central they have started a section on the forum called,”Sanctuary from the Negativity”. It appears it was to build up the moral for the ones who want to continue to support this scam site. Some of the members from what I’ve read there are only trying to spit in the face of the ones who are anti-netwinner. One particular comment by DNofOhio makes a post that states, “A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.” Maybe I’m wrong, but does this not seem to be in retaliation against the ones who prefer to take a stand against what happened on May 12th?
There will always be people out their who will fall for a scam. They build their dreams on empty promises. It only takes once for me. I won’t allow myself to become victimized again by Netwinner. I just didn’t know their were so many gullible and weak minded people out there who are willing to set themselves up again to be scammed. Not knowing is one thing, but after being scammed once you would think they have learned their lesson.

Curt: She’s just 13! Not bad for her age!
Committee: Funny!!
Leftie: I’m sorry you were treated the way you were. I respect you tremendously for coming out in support of the many people wronged by Netwinner.
To all: IMPORTANT! If you still have a NWC account and want to keep it, I strongly urge you to post here anonymously. I’ve heard of two cases now where a member lost access to the NetWinner forum because of posts made off-site.

” Posted by: kiarasmamaw
Date: May 16, 2008 9:09 PM
Thanks leftie. he not only said they pay but that he’s a Netwinner employee. That’s good to read.
”
If Mike cashed in and is using duplicate accounts to boot (as is evidenced by his i.m. messages to and from one of you in another thread), he would revoke the bond required for Netwinner to have a jackpot in the first place. The TOS has always clearly stated that employees and their agents are not allowed to receive compensation for playing the games. Wonder who that bond company is? Betcha someone knows.
Something to ponder.

“”A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.” Maybe I’m wrong, but does this not seem to be in retaliation against the ones who prefer to take a stand against what happened on May 12th?”
No, you’re not wrong. It’s just more spin. They learn from eachother so well, don’t they?
Mike also appears to be spending more time here reading voraciously, than he is at his own forum as evidence by his acquisition of new words, LOL. Good for you Mike. Now about that spelling dude…
And finally, proactive is positive and that’s where we’re all about, I think.
Sorry if that bothers you Mike. NOT

Hi Ann , that was my report you linked to on ripoffreports , i checked last night and only 5 people had reported netwinner on there so far but im betting many more will be showing up soon .
Another avenue i would like to pursue is a report on consumerist.com , which is a kind of ” consumer fights back ” blog with millions of readers .
My main goal at this point is to close netwinner down , they have no interest in paying us , much as if we could just say ” wait i wanna restart , erase all my debts , kids and wife and start life over ” thats what they are doing .. to hell with the old players , they want new ones and im not going to let that happen .
As far as the new forum , though i havent went over there to see whats been said today ( see i do have a life) i think its incredibly crappy to start a happy thread for the a$$ kissers and theyre buds.
I believe the mods etc are getting their money , otherwise there is no reason they would stay , would you volunteer at a homeless shelter if it was secretely robbing the homeless?
No but if you were of low morals and was getting a cut , you just might .. need i say more ?
And the laugh of the day had to be mike and his mysterious attackers of the forum erasing all the negative threads LMAO

I have also been posting on the web…..for people to cancel their accounts at NW. There was a thread in which someone name sweetypet asked to have their NW and NWC accounts deleted on May 14. Mike told them to email support@netwinner.com to which they replied they had. Well, as of now, I can still IM this person through NWC, so their request was not looked after. NW does not want to lose their member stats, but if you request to be removed, they should have to comply, do they not????

yea I’ve heard of the consumerist too. Great site. We really should find out how to get an article on there. It would really get the word out!

I did ripoffreport.com I really like the site. I think I even used the same username as here and that other site I used to belong to. Net somthin or other.

BBK I sure hope you don’t mind that I posted that link. I was googling netloser rip offs and that site came up. I thought it looked like a good place to post about what happened with netloser. I am headed over there now to file. I was at work earlier and didn’t want to be online too long.

BBK posted:
“My main goal at this point is to close netwinner down…”
Couldn’t agree more. It isn’t about the money owed, it isn’t even about being lied to and insulted again and again, it’s about ensuring their demise using the same methods they used to rip their own loyal members off. Word of mouth.
It isn’t good enough that they can seek safe havens beyond our reach. It isn’t good enough that they can still snare innocent people into their web of deceit and it isn’t good enough that they can still profit from being active in the internet. They need to be made an example of by those of us who have the decency to confront fraud and intimidation face-to-face.
Congratulations to everyone who have taken a stance against this rampant, insidious abuse. We can shut ‘em down, and we can run ‘em off!
Keep filing complaints with the authorities and posting everywhere you can!

When I type Netwinner in the search area of …. http://www.ic3.gov/
it says …. None found

Wow, there are now 8 ripoff reports posted and that may not even include people who just put them in recently. I’m not sure about anyone else but I checked the box to allow media or law enforcement to contact me through there so maybe someone with the right authority will read all of our reports and shut them down once and for all. Then I guess Mike will have to resume his journalism career, after going back to elementary school to learn grammar, spelling, and punctuation again. lol

This was posted by a NW mod….ughhhh
soooo off the point. The ” deeper harm” is fooling yourself!
…..”A Rattlesnake, if Cornered will become so angry it will bite itself. That is exactly what the harboring of hate and resentment against others is – a biting of oneself. We think we are harming others in holding these spites and hates, but the deeper harm is to ourselves. ”
~E. Stanley Jones

Former NW Addict,
It’s late. My mind is blank from having to figure out power gains and losses in circuits. I would ask the Netwinner mod who posted the quote this question, but unfortunately I am banned, so forgive me for asking, but are we rattlesnakes then if we are trying to shut down Netwinner? And if we are rattlesnakes, does that mean we can use our venom on Mike and his cronies? lol

These are the same ones who used to swoop in like vultures hissing at anyone who spoke harshly about Netwinner? Anyone remember those vicious scenes? Talk about snakes. Where are they now? Under a rock!

Posted by: curt
Date: May 16, 2008 9:30 PM
That girl needs some acting lessons.
Yeah, but at least she isn’t a brown-noser, butt kissin’ net winner lacky like you! Who cares what you think, this child at 13 has more class than you do at????? Netwinner ripped her grandma off! She is sticking up for her, what are you doing??
Let me guess…. sticking up for Netwinner playing that lack-luster of a boring game hoping to win a chance at getting something and maybe a chance at moderator……. hmmmm, too many cheifs and not enough Indians, sounds fair!

Well, I don’t think I’ve been banned at NW forum but I posted once on May 13 expressing my disgust with everything and said I wasn’t participating any further in the game OR the forum. So they don’t really need to ban me, I’m not posting there anyway.
I thought for the purposes of what we’re doing (filing reports with BBB and AG’s office) that we should keep our accounts open but not play? won’t it be easier to document things and keep track of what’s happening there if we keep them?
I plan to participate a little more but I’m caught up through tomorrow with a big family reunion. I only turned on the PC today for first time at 10 p.m. so I’ve been reading like crazy.
**Leftie, it’s good to see you here. : )

oh yes i filed
got a # and email back also
you can only search your complaint i think
with your #

Yea I got my # too. I feel better if thats the case.

this morning at 10:33 someone asked ‘why r some players getting ecards approved and others not?
no response from mjp all day and finally at 8:31 tonight i posted ‘good question, are you going to answer mjp?’
finally at 9:03 pm he said “I do not have an answer. I think the prize status changing was some sort of site anomaly. I did ask about it, but we have a lot going on around the office so I do not always get answers.
Last edited on Fri May 16th, 2008 09:04 pm by mjp65″
i wish i had seen it as soon as he posted, wonder what he edited on it
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about that netpraisewinner thread, that was an existing thread moved to the new ‘sanctuary’
if you notice, most of the posts there were from before the big announcement that we would not get paid, 35 of the 41 posts are from may 10 or before including that one about being happy that they are starting to pay again
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sorry you got banned leftie, you kinda implied that you have some juicy info for us, when you gonna share with us?
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i have been trying to copy and save any threads that might get deleted for their convenience or benefit but i missed that ‘perks’ thread someone mentioned completely when i was away from puter today, i hope at least a couple of you are saving stuff like that too, never know when they will say something that might come in handy later
when mjp was making excuses about that ‘letter from netwinner president’ thread being deleted and blaming it on ‘the attackers’ i posted that i had a copy of it if he needed it, he didn’t answer but one of the sunshine club did and made a comment that kinda implied they thought since i had copied and saved it maybe i was responsible for it disappearing, lol
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i don’t think they are going to delete any accounts whether they think the player was cheating or if the player requests it or whatever, i think they are keeping all 40% of the ‘cheaters’ to pad their numbers for the advertisers

“Another avenue i would like to pursue is a report on consumerist.com , which is a kind of ” consumer fights back ” blog with millions of readers .”
Great idea. Please give us the link once you submit your report so we can join you.
” Posted by: Anonymous
Date: May 16, 2008 11:06 PM
yea I’ve heard of the consumerist too. Great site. We really should find out how to get an article on there. It would really get the word out!
”
Maybe hit their “contact us” link if they have one and give them links to the articles here?
“This was posted by a NW mod….ughhhh
soooo off the point. The ” deeper harm” is fooling yourself!
…..”A Rattlesnake, if Cornered will become so angry it will bite itself. That is exactly what the harboring of hate and resentment against others is – a biting of oneself. We think we are harming others in holding these spites and hates, but the deeper harm is to ourselves. ”
~E. Stanley Jones”
Well maybe Mike will listen to mamascamscam since that’s obviously who she’s talking to.
“Going to bed in a few. My complaint still isn’t coming up in search on http://www.ic3.gov/. Also someone posted this site a few days ago. I thought other folks were filing too. But there are no results when searching for netwinner. So either no one actually filed like they said or it doesn’t show up. If mine ends up on there I really hope others will file too. I agree with the majority…we can’t let this die. That’s what they think we will do. Give up and lay down. But not me. Tom Petty wrote a song about me..lol”
I think it takes a bit for the claims to show up like they do at other agencies. Sometimes they won’t show up with certain agencies as searchable until resolved.
“finally at 9:03 pm he said “I do not have an answer. I think the prize status changing was some sort of site anomaly. I did ask about it, but we have a lot going on around the office so I do not always get answers.”
Mike’s not in the Netwinner offices (even though his statement implies it). He works from home New York state.
“about that netpraisewinner thread, that was an existing thread moved to the new ‘sanctuary’
if you notice, most of the posts there were from before the big announcement that we would not get paid, 35 of the 41 posts are from may 10 or before including that one about being happy that they are starting to pay again”
Another Bingo!
“when mjp was making excuses about that ‘letter from netwinner president’ thread being deleted and blaming it on ‘the attackers’ i posted that i had a copy of it if he needed it, he didn’t answer but one of the sunshine club did and made a comment that kinda implied they thought since i had copied and saved it maybe i was responsible for it disappearing, lol”
Hahahaha! The depths they will sink to! That’s hilarious!
” Posted by: BBK
Date: May 17, 2008 2:03 AM
Ann i dont mind at all , post it everywhere you like !
I think the most vital thing is that we keep the momentum going and stay mad , with the way things are going on NWC that shouldnt be hard
I really really want to get the consumerist interested in this , and im thinking i will start a thread on their forum , and ask everyone to come and share their story , i want them to see how backhanded netwinner has acted both in their game and their forum but its so hard to condense it into an email explaining how we have been ripped off .
I also encourage everyone to share their story with their local ” in your corner / on your side / consumer helpline ” that are on most local news websites , the more bait we throw out the more likely we are to get a bite !
Consumerist thread here : http://consumerist.proboards88.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=warning&thread=1360&page=1
”
w00t!
When I finish setting up the new forum (some time next week), I’ll create an area for these types of links so you guys can have them all in one section. When it’s ready, please add yours to the list. Everyone else should add theirs too. Then each reporting agency will have it’s very own thread.
Ok, off I go again. Great info everyone and keep on keepin’ on!

wow leftie, i mustve totally missed something, guess that happens when you dont go the forum as much

You’re very welcome, Rich!
NetWinner has been added to GPTBoycott’s Watch List. There’s a link here to a complaint submission form. Enough complaints and they are officially boycotted. Doesn’t mean a heckuva lot but it does help to publicize members’ unhappiness with the site.
http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18623

Going to the boycott page now. On a semi-unrelated note, Becky, how long is that invite good for that you sent me to BoomerTowne? With 3 kids (all under age 4, including a newborn), trying to bring down the evil empire of Netwinner, and classes, I never have gotten around to signing up, sorry But I’m still interested in trying it.

I just noticed something interesting on the boycott page, several of the partner sites are listed as “verified supporters”, which means, among other things, they will not advertise boycotted sites, which means with a few more complaints, if Netwinner becomes boycotted, they should be forced to lose some partner sites, I counted about 7 just of the ones I know are partner sites.
http://www.gptboycott.com/supporters/

just sent this to yahoo news room
hi
i would like to know if yahoo.com has their own news people? people that not only report the news from stories they see but those that also investigate stories presented to them? the reason i am asking is because in the past week there has been a major story that no one seems interested in covering on any new station.
there is a website/company netwinner.com netwinner llc that in the past week has decided that the thousands of members that have been watching their ads for over a year or more will not be receiving their earned awards. the company decided that because 40% of their members have been caught cheating that they will in turn not pay anyone. i have myself been cheated out of $350 and there are others that have lost much more than that. there have been letters sent to the BBB but netwinner only seems to respond to them with stall tactics. the final straw was netwinner decided that they would return all the points members won and had cashed in for their gift card and would now only allow them to be used in raffles. many people are very weary of their raffles seeing that their was one time that in a span of 4 days the same 4 people won a daily raffle 2 times each in the same order. each day has 2 drawings for $250 each and the raffles are auto entries that are won from a lotto game. now each members get the same amount of spins and should have the same odds at getting a free entry into the raffle how ever out of the 20,000 people that netwinner states they have the same 4 people won 2 times in a 4 day span. i am unsure what the ods of that happening however i know the ods of it happening with just 100 members would be well over 1 in 90 million.
any way is there is any way that yahoo could look into this and if you do investigations then perhaps you could do a news report on this obvious scam and this would inform others not to join this site. i am sure that no one will ever get the funds that are owed them but i would hate to think that this company can continue doing this time after time to people without their ever being some sort of info out there that would warn unsuspecting people.
btw. one of the employees has gone on record stating that what they have done was wrong but oh well that is just something the people will have to deal with. other employee has called the members that have complained about this cry babies. want to point out that a lot of the players were the elderly and disabled along with stay at home moms and various other and some that played to relax at the end of a work day. had the company not gotten paid from their sponsors they would have wanted to file suit against the sponsor and i can think of no reason that there should be a law investigation into the operation of this company for fraud. and if it does fall within the definition of fraud then that each person attached to the company be held accountable.
best regards
carlton bragg

Good Carlton. keep us informed.

i should know come monday for sure. i just sent becky a email with my intent. do not want to post them here because do not want to give out my plans. but trust me if i am told what i think i will be told i will have some very good news come monday and a new avenue for each member that has been cheated. so everyone who has screen shots of any deleted post please hold it tight. perhaps copy it to a floppy to ensure you still have it just in case your puter crashes.
netwinner does not understand there is nothing i myself love more than a fight against those that would take advantage of others. and i will go through any means to ensure that this sort of thing does not happen to any others ( at least not from the same company ) without them having to pay somehow. at this point i no longer want my gift cards because i know even if i was to get them there would still be hundreds or even thousands of members that would not.

I hear from a very reliable source (i.e. a friend who is not yet banned from NW Central), that Mike was asked several days ago how NW can offer the million dollar jackpot when they can’t even pay the $25 e-count redemptions they owe. Mike said he would try and find an answer from HQ, but still hasn’t responded. He doesn’t even know if the jackpot is insured, which I would think by law any jackpot of that size would have to be insured. Given that they are going against their contract in not paying members for outstanding redemptions, how can the jackpot be anything but additional false advertising and fraud on the part of Netwinner?

i think it is hilarious what is going on over there. the sanctuary is nothing more than brown nosers(curt) and druged up delusionoids(mods, except those that are former mods that have crossed over to the good side). and lets not forget mike, who has less answers than sean connery and burt reynolds combined on celebrity jeopardy.

I have now supplied my complaint to the gptboycott site as well. I did count some 8 to 10 partner sites of netwinner that signed up there stating they would boycott any sites that make it to the actual boycott list. Lets hope they all comply!!! The more complaints they receive the more likely this will happen. Keep it up everyone!!!!!

well i don’t have screen shots, i took copies of
my before account, like a month ago, cause i was worried,
( been in ptr and ptc world a lot of years )
and copies of my account after the changes.
also many copies of forum statements.

bruce,
that thing about the same raffle winners repeated was said to be a typo by shelly when she posted winners when she was tired and that has been changed in winners list
also, i thought that i had heard them boast of about 200,000 members, not 20,000, although mike refuses to discuss actual numbers for some reason
also, you should have pointed out that although they claim to have 40% cheaters they have not banned any of them from playing or removed them from members list so they can continue to pad their numbers for the purpose of higher ad revenues
i have heard of a few of people that they tried to cancel their accounts with netwinner and that they could not do it and had written to nw to get them to do it but it has not happened probably for the same reason as above
i think all of the forum comments from mike where he continually promised that we would get paid if we just had patience and faith in them would be relevant too, i got a late start saving stuff from forum but i hope some of you have screen shots of stuff like that as well as some of his rude and childish behavior (toward members with valid questions) as a paid employee/representative of nw
i sure wish i had copied all of that ‘changes’ thread before they conveniently lost it when they all of a sudden decided in the middle of the night that they needed to ‘reorganize and improve’ the forum, that was pure gold and i think it was up to about 50 pages or more when they snuffed it
i have a thread where several people posted about getting those ‘bribe’ phone calls that mike closed real quick saying ‘i do not see how this thread will help’
i have a thread where brina said ‘yay, It’s a wonderful day in netwinner land, the sun is shining, flowers are blooming and it seems redemptions have been sent’ exactly a week before they announced that none of us would be paid
i have a thread where mike said on april 20 ‘The NW staff is now working on two tasks. One, working to resolve fulfillment as a player support issue (catch up with prizes). Two, Netwinner is drafting more formal company answers for us to use both on the forum and in support mail.’ and in that same thread hardtimer said ‘Even though, it may seem far off or endless right now. I do and will stand behind Netwinner and I do know they will payout prizes due. I have no doubts of this.’
i have a thread where mike said on march 28 ‘I am afraid the wait is longer than that right now. They are currently sending out Ecount requests from Nov. We are working on getting caught up.’
i saved a few single comments like when mike said on april 14 ‘I am part of a team that is the most talented pool of professionals I have ever seen. We have a goal to build a website and business like no other that has ever existed based on delivery of video ads via the web. My part is to stand on the front line (with many volunteer players) and take the heat from angery players. I gladly do it for the team. We are good and honest. We try our best. As you know, we are not perfect. I am not saying I am smart, but you ever know any smart people? Notice how they are not always the easiest to get along with? Well, try working with a few dozen, lol.
Last edited on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 04:28 pm by mjp65′
i have a thread where on april 18 mike said ‘I am under contract and cannot share company information. Since we are still in our growth phase this changes quickly. I can say we are well in to the hundreds of thousands of members.’
i have a thread where (in response to someone asking why some had all of a sudden started getting paid and others were not) on may 7 mike said ‘It is hard to explain it all. We know how frustrating and confusing it is, but bare with us. All players will see movement of this mess and it will be cleaned up. I have no good answer, but I can say it will all be resolved.’
and on may 8 mike said in same thread ‘Since we have such a mess with the prize backlog things are not as predictable. Normally, we would just have large batches at regular intervals. That is not the case at the moment because there is great pressure from within and elsewhere to get everything done ASAP. It is impossible to explain why things are as they are to anybody who can not see the whole picture. I always do my best to give the most accurate answer I can.’
i have a thread where mike said on may 7 ‘Some players have asked why I have been so quiet. There are a few truths at work. Things got to a point where words mattered less, actions were needed. Action takes a littler longer to create than a post about the action. You may not have seen me say the fulfillment mess is getting cleaned up but it is. Some players blame me for things. Some say I am not to blame for anything. Neither is true. Both Netwinner’s mistakes and successes are shared collectively by the entire organization. That is just the way it is here and it is a good way to run things.
We have learned from our mistakes. We are cleaning up our messes. You will soon see big changes to support, much better communication to players, and new, interesting changes and additions to the games.
I just thought for this one time, I would say less about it and show you more as we do it.
I am here for the player the same as I always have been.
Last edited on Wed May 7th, 2008 08:57 pm by mjp65′
i have a thread where hardtimer said on march 20 ‘Redemptions are up to November 15th at this time.’
that is just a small part of what i have saved but sadly i did not get started on it until they had already deleted thousands of posts from hardtimer and mike (2565 total posts deleted just from those 2 when i did my count a few nights ago)
i hope somebody here was saving stuff like this before i got started on it and got some of the really good stuff

Thanks!
Clickety Click

lol, how long has banko been on the site now? almost a year? we have been reporting that glitch since day one and their computer geniuses still have not been able to fix it? mike may want to rething that post about being surrounded by very smart people at netwinner offices

I just had to share this post from netwinner central . It was from a couple of days ago . rexgame wrote :
“There is one thing I do find humorous in all this. You have to play a game of chance, to win the right to enter a game of chance.
AND
You can actually enter to win more points, that you can then use to, well, enter to win points.”
How classic is that ? It sounds like a game of three card monte .

And the choir, glee club, dolts, oafs and ass-suckers remain doing their humble best to waste their time. And these people are allowed to vote! Such a scary society we are clamoring in together!

notsomebody notgrumpy notbecause notthey’re notnot notgetting notany notnew notreferrals notlately

Mikes post about giving the players second chances really gets me. I guess post like that from him bother me the most. He gives the players a second chance. Whoopty dang do. I honestly don’t see how he sleeps at night. I mean it’s like he thinks we should all just say “They stole are money..no biggie. I’ll stay and let them do it again. If it makes you happy Mike, I’ll let them do it a thousand times Just please oh please give me a second chance”

geez, sorry for all the typos
that should be winners listed for some of the other prizes on april 26 and may 7
and
winners are posted 24 to 48 hours after the drawing

YAY my friend came thru and posted a blurb on her blog
http://websitestoavoid.blogspot.com/

Being smart in a devious way does not constitute wisdom and getting away with fraud does not constitute innocence.
The one thing we can take with us as we traipse through the mine fields of the internet is that our combined efforts, even if instant justice wasn’t achieved, has made a hugely significant impact on their reputation. Netwinner has become a joke, a scam, a has-been.
They’re just one more example of why tighter regulatory controls are direly needed.
Where once they may have gained overnight popularity, the words “Netwinner” and “Partner Sites” now bring a sneer to the lips.

Posted by: Jack
Date: May 17, 2008 6:08 PM
New pearls of wisdom from Mike ( mjp65 )on the forum:
“On a human level, one thing the company did was wrong in my opinion. ”
Ya think? What an idiot.
“I have said that before. Yet, I do stand by the company because the other option was to just close the doors and never tell the players anything.”
Opinion> Nah, you didn’t pay what you owe. That’s a fact.
“There was no fraud or criminal actions committed by the company and that is why there are no charges or law suits despite the dozen who promised this. ”
These things take time. Professionals do their research and follow a planned course of action. Unlike some people (yes Mike, I mean you ofcourse) who just continue to confuse their asses with their mouths.
“If any arrise, we will defeat them, because we have not violated the law.”
Sure ya did violate the law. The fraud law. Ever heard of that? Or were you too busy trying to pull de feets out of your mouth after six months of promises to pay?”
“We are going to face our mistakes and try to make up for them. We are not going to take the easy road and hide and run.”
Not if we can help it. You have no idea how much of a handful we have of that shirt collar of yours do you?
“Our past bad deeds does say something about us, but so does our current efforts.”
What is says is same sh*t, different day.
“Just as I continually give players second chances, I am hoping the players give us the same.”
You will be welcome to come to the new forum as a member for a factual debate and to apologize to everyone you lied to. A whole new ballgame for you. If you don’t have the balls, we completely understand.
*Please read the rules before joining.
“If you had a win movie and it was on the winners page it was a real win and you will get paid. If it is just a malfunction that made it seem to you like the game won, it was an error and we can now award wins for game errors. Email deatials and screen shot to support@netwinner.com.”
Gonna honor that $1000 that someone just won then? No, ofcourse not. It’s a cheap ploy to get your activity numbers up again. Do you really think players are going to fall for that? Spin in the hopes of errors? Or is that just another typo meant to confuse, Mr. Fake Journalist? Do tell. Either way we know the answer’s bullsh*t.
Mike never posts anything worth reading, does he? Thanks for laughs though Mike.

I have filled complaints out at the sites mentioned above too. I used another name so netloser won’t know me. LOL
I did check the BBB site and they only list 20 complaints in the last 36 months. I sure hope that changes soon and shows hundreds.
A friend suggested snopes so I emailed them. Don’t know if they will print anything but couldn’t hurt to let them know about netloser.

The above post should’ve read as “Opinion?”
*wishes an edit option were available here but understands why there is not.

“Mike has sunk to new lows .”
Nah. They’re the same old lows.

hi kiarasmamaw
I just went to snopes.com and then found contact us and did that. I have copies of everytime I cash out at netloser and still have emails from those times with the confirmation codes. Doubt if it will do any good but I will hold onto that and some other things I copied and saved too. Becky and the others here have done a superb job of letting us talk this out and where to file complaints.

Anybody have any clue what mike is talking about???
Posted on CR:
“Mike’s mother is a whore.”
I am locking this thread. There is no debate needed.
Last edited on Sat May 17th, 2008 08:18 pm by mjp65
I think he’s seeing things…..lol

Mike changed the name of their “feel good” place to “Serenity Now (safe house). Sounds like an addiction recovery center to me LMAO!

Unless of course there actually is a comment and I missed it…did I miss it? Did someone really say that??

” Posted by: Anonymous
Date: May 17, 2008 9:37 PM
Mike changed the name of their “feel good” place to “Serenity Now (safe house). Sounds like an addiction recovery center to me LMAO!
”
It’s actually a perfect name but I doubt Mike realizes what it really means and where it came from in popular culture. George Costanza’s loudmouthed father on Seinfeld tried yelling this phrase uselessly whenever he was met with a problem instead of modifying his own blowhard behavior.
Yeah, that’s about right for Mike.

” Posted by: Anonymous
Date: May 17, 2008 9:37 PM
Mike changed the name of their “feel good” place to “Serenity Now (safe house). Sounds like an addiction recovery center to me LMAO!
”
It’s actually a perfect name but I doubt Mike realizes what it really means and where it came from in popular culture. George Costanza’s loudmouthed father on Seinfeld tried yelling this phrase uselessly whenever he was met with a problem instead of modifying his own blowhard behavior.
Yeah, that’s about right for Mike.

I also noticed he’s picking and choosing posts from here and putting them in the same thread, and immediately locking it again. Kinda childish, if you ask me.

Yes, CR means Compare Rewards.

Rich i hope im reading that comment wrong or taking it the wrong way , comments like that make us look as bad as them , i hope you can explain what you meant or maybe delete it , its in poor taste .

TBH, I thought Mike was making it up. I really couldn’t believe someone here could say something like that. Pretty bad imo.

For those of you that were banned and those that think Mike is just a neat guy who apparently has to live with grand ma, you can always try mjp65aa@hotmail.com.

Mike’s the employed mouthpiece of Netwinner.
He can also be reached here: mike.paluch@netwinner.com

I have a question about the approach being taken by Becky and others on this site. I see this guy “Arion” being mentioned alot and people say to e-mail him and call him; I also see that Becky posted info about his past association w/ CameraPhonePorn [probably to damage his reputation].
Do you know how a company runs? Do you think the CTO makes financial and business decisions; the T in CTO stands for TECHNICAL? If you want to blast the CTO about BANKO bugs and things like that then go ahead but why are you advocating this kind of behavior when odds are this decision was probably out of his hands and out of the hands of Chad and Anthony too?
Do you think people like them should quit their job and just sit at home playing on line games to pay the bills like you guys do?
I lost money too but I do not think that gives me the right to post the phone numbers and personal info of people all of the internet and ask others to call and harass people.
More likely than not NetWinner is a job to these people not their life like it seems to be for some of you guys. Last time I checked everyone had the right to try and earn a living.
If you really want to get back and NetWinner and their employees then file your complaints like I did AND MOVE ON.

An I missing something?
Where is the post that lied about something?

” Posted by: Anonymous
Date: May 17, 2008 10:23 PM
Very well said, i agree!
”
It’s not hard to agree with yourself as anonymous posting makes that possible. You know that and are hoping to take advantage of it. However, see the above post to find out why that won’t work out for you quite the way you’re hoping.
Thanks for stopping by…again…one minute after your previous post.

”
An I missing something?
Where is the post that lied about something?
”
This post was written to mamaw, not the troll.

That’s right mamaw
I’ve also emailed Becky just now about the trolls posts.

Seems the number of troll posts have definately increased. Makes ya go hmm…

Bingo again Jack.

Thanks for letting Becky know about the influx of spam posts

LOL! Anonymous Very good!

I think what’s happened is Mike has posted that thread about his mother, and where it came from. Now they all know where CR is and the ones who are still blind will start coming here spamming. I guess the only thing we can do is try to stay calm and not go down to their level.
I know it will be hard not to degrade into name-calling. But please try to remember what someone else said above. We are better. Let’s not let this whole thing be for nothing by getting into a backyard fight, ok guys?

Are you calling me a troll? I didn’t even bash anyone? You people complain about not being able to post freely on NWC but you are treating me like this; isn’t that a bit ironic?

I think we need to stop with the “anonymous” posts. It is getting confusing. LOL

You’reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay
I dont understand why you continue to call people here trolls and post personal info of others.. when the main subject here is the Netwinner Company..
Why cant you file, help get the word out what they did and stop harrasing individuals from the company and the people here that only trying to voice there opinion?
I mean.. if it is true this Mike is a employee from his home.. how can that help the cause to get us to email him? Shouldnt we go to the source the owners of the company by filing reports as Becky has shown?

Jack, I know what Godaddy is; I was referring to the fact that someone said that the info was public and had been made private. That is not true.
I am sorry for bothering you guys and will not post anymore. This argument is so one sided that I do not believe this post or any of my previous post could possibly do anything but make the situation worse and for that I apologize.
Good Night and god bless

Check the last updated date on the go daddy record. That ought to help you understand what happened there.

Ok, so much to do and so little time.
BBL all

NVM..figured it out. DUH me LOL

FormerBANKOAddict ,
What you just described is how it is at the Netwinner forum , one-sided . I agree that personal attacks have no business here on this site and people should stick to contacting the entities that Becky listed on the blog .
Everyone , please stick to the issue . Contact anyone you can and post wherever you can .Keep it clean though .

Former Banko addict , you said “Do you think people like them should quit their job and just sit at home playing on line games to pay the bills like you guys do?”
So your saying we all sit at home playing online games to play the bills ? some of us pay our bills just fine with a weekly paycheck , do i have a job ? no i dont , and i dont need one , i cant sit and spin all day or whatever i would like to do .. my hubby likes me here when he is home and that works for me .
Do i need netwinners money ? of course not but i dont think they should take my time for granted , i did what they ask , now i want them to uphold theyre end of the contract .
For you to come here proclaiming to be a banko addict , and to down others saying we depend on netwinner to pay our bills because we dont have jobs ?
You did the attacking , first on us , then you started on Becky , saying we are pawns to use to further her website .
Couldnt be further from the truth , we appreciate that Becky has shown us the TRUTH about netwinner , she spoke out when everyone else was afraid to , YES AFRAID TO , because netwinner didnt want anyone to band together , share notes and realize we were being scammed !
Quote ““Fraud and falsehood only dread examination. Truth invites it.” Samuel Jackson

It’s easy to misdirect our anger at the first person that comes in with a different view than ours. We are still enraged at what was done. However if everyone tries to remember some people have only been told what they read on NWC so of course they will think we are mean, evil trolls. Let’s try to show them who we really are. Honest, hard working people who were scammed out of something we earned ..well..honestly. And if we start slinging hateful things at each other, it only confirms the view they had of us when they first entered CR.
Sorry. I felt I had to say that before things get worse. Because I have no doubt that there will be more people coming in here now that Mike has posted all those comment over at NWC. So everyone just please be prepared for it.
Ok, I’m off my soap box now…LOL.

FormerBankoAddict-
Becky didn’t need us before and she doesn’t need us now. She’s been operating this site successfully for 7 years. Why would she suddenly depend on our traffic when she refused to become a guaranteed paid Partner with Netwinner when they made the offer?

Dear BBK,
““Fraud and falsehood only dread examination. Truth invites it.” Samuel Jackson that is a Great Quote;
I am sorry you interpreted my comments that way because its not how I meant it. If thats how it sounded to others then Im sorry for that too because I did not mean to insult the users of this site.
Thank you for intelligently responding and not just avoiding the issue by calling me a troll, LOL
I am not defending NetWinner; I just think that the focus on its employees as opposed to the issue was perpetuated by Becky for her own personal gain; she did after all first post that info and deviate from the issue at hand. If we focus on NetWinner as a company then we could have made progress but instead we focused on Arion, Chad, Matt, Steve and so on.

I seem to recall the very first review about NW that sparked so much attention. Becky gave them a great review and then members started coming forward about questionable practices. That’s when she began to dig deeper and eventually uncovered some pretty damning backgrounds.
FBA- Just a suggestion but it might do you good to research Becky’s part in this before you make unfounded accusations.

wow, when i posted that 9 other comments came up ahead of it when i refreshed, i didn’t see where rich explained it and apologized before i made my post

One good thing. This is a little different than most hate love relationships with a program. We post how we feel and so do they. But in this one unless lies are told it doesn’t matter. We are upset that they cheated us. Some seem to be ok with that. But in an honest Q and A session even the lovers would have to admit to being shafted. They couldn’t lie. There is too much proof to the fact. So it doesn’t really bother me anymore that there are some still worshiping Netwinner. If they don’t care what was done to them so be it. Just don’t dog us that do.

FBA , i think the reason we focus some of our anger on the Mods at NWC is they are the only ones we “know” , these owners are faceless entities to us .
Another part of it is ( at least for me) is that they lied to us , assured us we would get paid , and for me the banning of members , deleting threads & posts, made them seem just as guilty as netwinner themselves , they were and are covering NW’s butt and continue to do so .
There is a reason beyond loyalty , no person would take the stress of dealing with the angry players for the honor of being a mod , just aint happening , the mods are getting theres , thats just how netwinner operates .
Do i feel sorry for the mods ? sometimes but they threw their chips in with netwinner so they have to face the fire , if they were to walk away we would probably see them different but at this point, they had to realize that when it hit the fan , they chose to stay and take whatever repercussions came with that .

We need to remember that the people neck-deep in running the Netwinner scam have mothers, fathers, husbands, wives, children, sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles and friends. Lots of people could take offense to the personal mud-slinging even if they agree with us on many other topics.
However, whatever someone’s motivation for defending the site, they should understand that our trust was betrayed and our patience was tested to the limit and when they pushed us as far as they could, they turned around and insulted us further by wiping out their debtload and pretending it was okay. They revictimized the victims. That’s why they deserve to be investigated for potential criminal violations. Not only to prevent them from capitalizing further from fraudulent activities but for penalization purposes and to save others from becoming their next victims.

Discussion of the current events at Netwinner can be found at literally hundreds of webites on the internet from individual blogs to larger commercial sites like Gather.com. A number of them have links back to this site, Compare Rewards, for additional information on who to contact and how to proceed regarding filing a complaint.
Here is my question for the more prolific posters here. What would your first impression be of the veracity of the information here after reading 100′s of posts that have nothing to do with filing a claim but instead are personal attacks on people you don’t even know?
This is not IM, this is not a chat room. Compare Rewards has an excellent reputation for serving as a consumer advocate and clearing house for information. What you post here will be reviewed by other consumers, potential members and yes, even persons operating in a formal capacity of investigating the claims against Netwinner Corporate.
Are your posts here reflecting best that which you want to say? Are your comments informative, detailed and germaine to the topic at hand? Will your comments here reflect well on the common goal of the series of threads? Have you lost sight of what you are trying to accomplish?
80% of the posts in this thread alone have nothing to do with the formal process of filing a complaint against an internet based company.
Think about it.

no, this is not an IM or a chat room but it is a place where becky allows us to say what we think and feel (within reason) without repercussions, a lot of us are still grieving over what happened at netwinner and if we choose to deal with it differently than you that is our right
why does that bother you so much? if i don’t like a book i put it down and find another that interests me

Becky – Just thought you would be interested to know – that although Mike says no one is banned from the forum without reason – I have now been banned – I am leftie’s husband but she was banned obviously because Mike is afraid he might have to pay her hush money – and to be honest he best dig into his pockets – I’ll just say Perks – January – 100 – ring any bells over there??? Dig deep because she will fight for what was owed to also. I also have registered a complaint with BBB and that is why her status of mini mod was taken from her but don’t know y she lost her VIP status and then get banned – she wrote nothing negative in the forum and what she says anywhere else on the net is her freedom of speech.

Copied from gptboycott.com
The importance of a boycott should not be underestimated. Many programs which have been boycotted have stopped scamming members and have closed down shortly afterwards, while others have started to pay members in a way which they did not previously. It is therefore vital that our visitors should continue to file their complaints, so that we can continue to boycott fraudulent and dishonest sites.
_________________________________________________________________
Also may want to check out beenpaid.com
Some of NW partner sites are listed there as good paying sites- those partners may not want to lose that endorsement.

bankoaddict said—Do you think people like them should quit their job and just sit at home playing on line games to pay the bills like you guys do?
well maybe these people should get REAL friggen jobs, all they do is sit on THEIR asses too,I know how the buisness world and the computer world work, SIT ON THEIR asses all day ripping people off= OK
US sitting on our asses an hour or 2 a day or so, to get some extra cash = LOSERES WHO QUiT their jobs???
LOL
come on think things through before you post please
i have a job
maybe people like THEM should get REAL jobs and not just sit on their asses comming up with ways to get rich off doing almost NOTHING

and
NetPraiseWinner Page: 1 2 3 4
Please only POSITIVE posts here
lol lol

Please remember that this is a POSITIVE thread about Netwinner and the Netwinner people (staff, admins, mods, mini mods, players). Anything negative will be edited out. If you cant say something nice then please do not post here
Netwinner is the best site on the web – puleassseeeeeeee – more lies and BS

Ummm..it appears that I have been banned from the consumerist forum??? I didnt do anything wrong,just posted like the others?Hmmmm

MJP65 says – “I don’t read anything there.(Compare Rewards) Posts about the team or me gets forwarded to me.”
Hmmmmm do U believe that?

Well, well…you guys were some busy little posters last night, huh?
I’ll try to make this brief.
Rich, I received a PM from Mike about your SNL-reference joke (which I immediately “got,” being the huge SNL fan that I am) — he’s obviously not a fan and was upset. I explained the joke to him, even gave him a link to a transcript of the actual joke and he still was offended, so I took your comment off. Meant to say something about it to you before I went to bed but forgot; sorry! (Hey, I was tired. Slept 11 hours last night!) It was very nice of you to apologize to him and I hope Mike accepts it.
FormerBANKOaddict and whoever else: Man, are you EVER right, this site has gotten a ton of comments on this subject. I’m glad to be able to offer an alternative to the highly-censored NWC for people to exchange information on what happened to them and to offer suggestions on what to do next. I do look forward to the proposed alternative forum, though, because this blog format isn’t really conducive to organizing the information well…and I can’t keep up with other happenings in the points and rewards industry with this brouhaha going on here on my site!
JetSki and others: I agree with you that the cause is best served by staying on topic, focusing on facts and solutions, and avoiding personal jabs when possible. I’m sure you can understand, though, how hard that is for the people who were told, by those they considered friends, “Trust me, they will pay.” How many times did I read that just in the two weeks before Ecount was eliminated? TRUST ME. Trust IS personal. And did the moderators go, “Dang, I am so sorry… my bad. This sucks. We quit”? Nope. They stuck around, editing and deleting their friends’ angry posts. When those wronged refused to be silenced, their “friends” banned them.
To all: I know that you’re angry and hurt. I understand the desire to lash out at particular individuals remaining in the service of the company that screwed you. But please listen to what jetski and others are suggesting, which is to channel your anger and hurt feelings into pursuing the company as an entity. There are many avenues that have been proposed; all you have to do is go down the list and hit one right after the other. Here’s the list of contacts once again:
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http://comparerewards.blogspot.com/
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I will update it with some of the new suggestions you’ve made (such as Consumerist).
Readers: If you see something posted here that you think is inappropriate, please email me at comparerewards@yahoo.com — thanks!

Not hard to guess who I am,
I checked out the consumerist forum. I read on the message board by Admin Faust, that he thinks badbadkitty, linndy, rippedoff, fightingback, jusarippedplayer, and leftie are all the same in one. Below is the message that Faust posted.
Re: Netwinner decides not to pay, scams thousands
« Reply #7 Today at 8:12am »
I don’t doubt that whoever you are, you are having a problem with Netwinner however it is easy for me to see that all these users are the same person. Unfortunately, the spamming of your issues is not tolerated. 1 post would have been plenty, I don’t understand your desire to abuse my board. Banned.

I posted/registered once there under the name leftie – do not insuate that I make up names on forums – must be buddies with someone over yonder

Posted by: leftie
Date: May 18, 2008 10:49 AM
I posted/registered once there under the name leftie – do not insinuate that I make up names on forums – must be buddies with someone over yonder – dup of last post with spelling correction

leftie…I in know way meant anything but good about you in my post. Hope you know that.

I emailed the Consumerist tip email to let them know that these are indeed different people posting and to ask them to please see if they can write something up about NetWinner.
Meanwhile, I have some interesting information that was forwarded to me by a NW “partner.” Trying to get my thoughts straight on it before posting.
Quick question you guys could answer that would help: in the past three months, what was a rough estimate of an average daily earnings in points and dollars on NW, and how many ads would you see in a typical game (4 or so?). Thanks in advance.

Don’t forget that your friend mjp65/mjp65aa is associated all over the place on the web and, apparently, is a mod. on several. An example is LottaLotto.com. I just happened to notice that he has several posts on sites where he testifies to how quickly he got paid for currently now defunct sites.

In the last few months I was getting very few points. About 300 a day. I viewed approximately 10 ads per game.

I beleive I already posted this link from lottalottos.com forum but just bringing it back in
http://www.lottalottos.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1527&whichpage=102
in it mjp65 – yep mjp65 (a mod at the site) states on 16 Apr 08 that Netwinner pays all winners (obviously only a few select members at Netwinner can be called winners).
here is his post
mjp65
Moderator
USA
2475 Posts
Posted – 04/16/2008 : 18:29:50
——————————————————————————–
Netwinner pays all winners. We are slow, but we pay. I agree the free lotto world has gone down hill. However, NW is the best free site to win prizes bar none.
I am both an employee of Netwinner and a mod here.
With many uphappy people posting since the above quote – mjp65 has not been in to explain/try defend the scam they just lived thru.

I beleive I already posted this link from lottalottos.com forum but just bringing it back in
http://www.lottalottos.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1527&whichpage=102
in it mjp65 – yep mjp65 (a mod at the site) states on 16 Apr 08 that Netwinner pays all winners (obviously only a few select members at Netwinner can be called winners).
here is his post
mjp65
Moderator
USA
2475 Posts
Posted – 04/16/2008 : 18:29:50
——————————————————————————–
Netwinner pays all winners. We are slow, but we pay. I agree the free lotto world has gone down hill. However, NW is the best free site to win prizes bar none.
I am both an employee of Netwinner and a mod here.
With many uphappy people posting since the above quote – mjp65 has not been in to explain/try defend the scam they just lived thru.

Sheesh we are banned from the consumerist forum , though i wrote Ben Popken an email explaining the situation , the Mod over there claims it was one person who posted all the posts .. i asked that they please check the IP on those posts as we are clearly not the same person .
Hopefully this will help

Becky: I would estimate my average points over the past 3 months to be at about 400 a day (some days better some days worse). Like kiara – before the entry came into effect I could get about 7-800 on average and since then many days of about 150-250 so an average of about 400 or 40 cents. Lot of work for 40 cents – think slaves make more than that. Many days/games I would see the same ad over and over – the apdigital new ad.

Posted by: thecommittee
Date: May 18, 2008 12:00 PM
Leftie, when you said, “must be buddies with someone over yonder…” what were you implying? Could you clarify, please? Did you mean “over yonder” to be the Consumerist or NWC? The reason I’m asking is because it sounds like you’re saying someone at the NWC used your IP address to create new accounts at the Consumerist.
Other than that, the only explanation I can think of as to why Mr. Faust would make that accusation is if a proxy (such as AOL) was used with the several names he listed.
I wonder if perhaps Mr. Faust could supply more information about his determination that you were posting with several different accounts. I would hate to think our IP addresses and/or usernames are somehow being used unscrupulously without our knowledge.
By over yonder I mean at NW – not implying anyone used my IP but the names used at Consumerist are names from here – and different people and I don’t have AOL. The other posts were already there when I posted – I was not the first person to post.

Sorry , i just woke up , Thanks Becky for trying to straighten the consumerist thing out for us , i did include my phone number so that they could verify that im a person LOL although what that will confirm other than that i dont know , i was just stunned to see we were all banned ( im one of those that takes that kind of thing hard , was even crying when i wrote the email sheesh )
Since they are posting stuff from here over there , i wanted to share something i wrote over there , it made me giggle last night and still working today
One of the NWC Members said she went overdrawn on her Ecount card and is blaming NW …
My Reply :
Just tell them youve decided to change the cards terms of service and that your not really making as much money as you would like so you wont be paying them , im sure they will understand
Throw all your bills on the kitchen table and pick one to pay , let the others know they were not chosen in this months raffle but you wish them luck next time

Just tried to log in and says I am banned so unable to send Faust a PM

I just visited the consumerist and couldn’t find ANY postings about NW…

oh and i was doing ok on points about 500 to 1000 a day in about 2 hours, some days better some worse. the ads, about 4 to 6 every banko game. dont know about wheel, to many to count.

yep, nothing there for me but i got onsite, let me log in.
earlier i couldn’t.

About the consumerist , we posted in the consumerist forum here http://consumerist.proboards88.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=warning&thread=1360&page=1
Which i just now figured out i HAVE been banned from
We was hoping to get the consumerist to do a story on it and make the front page of the consumerist site .
Wow , and i didnt even get a reply from the message i was able to send Faust

It appears the thread has been deleted, not just the people banned. That sucks.

Becky– I was earning from 500-1000 before netloser got rid of the 10 points. After that I was lucky to get 200 and often less and sometimes not a single point on 100 wheel spins. My daughter did hit 12500 a few times in the last month but otherwise not much either. Not sure about ads but some sure slowed down the game.

Just finished my Netwinner video and posted to YouTube. Here’s the link — feel free to comment! The title is: “Netwinner: Know More.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F5s1UOec0I

Jack – maybe we all should have been listening to rita all along – she was right

That comment got her banned . She has officially escaped the dark side . Here is another post she made today .
ritajogregowicz
Banned
Joined: Sun Jan 27th, 2008
Location:
Posts: 115
Status: Online
Mana:
Posted: Sun May 18th, 2008 02:11 pm
Quote Reply
YEAH I DO NOT LIKE THIS MONEYWHEEL IT A WASTE OF MY TIME TO NOT WIN ANY POINTS I DONT CARE TO SEE THE MONEY WHEEL

They will probably say they banned her cause she posted in all caps. Ya, right.

They are trying to make the “serenity now” mess look better than it actually is. They are probably going through all the posts and trying to find all the positive ones and moving them to that forum so that it looks like alot of people are posting there. HA!

Thecommitte…AMEN!!

I guess some are watching what they say. Good idea so we know what’s going on. I’ve been banned for awhile now.

leftie I still ahte what they did to you. Back when they were asking us to vote for mini mods. I voted for you. Now I am so proud I did. You really did care about the players and have proven it. In my eyes you are VIP!!!

Posted by: kiarasmamaw
Date: May 18, 2008 6:14 PM
leftie, back when NWC had us nominate people for mini mods. I picked you. Now I am proud I did. You really did care about the players and have proven it. In my eyes you are VIP!!
Thank you very much for your kind words kiara. I did my best over there and to those wondering I was not given a script to follow – I followed my heart and when I said we would be paid I sincerely thought things would be fixed up and that we would. Remember I was also waiting to get paid ($225 was processing with almost enough for another $400) I believed in the site – guess the whole membership (WELL ALMOST THE WHOLE MEMBERSHIP) got fooled and ripped off.

Has anyone been following the Netwinner traffic report online. It gives you a history of internet activity. I find it to be very interesting. Here is the site I go to, to check traffic history on Netwinner.
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/netwinner.com

Very interesting find Misty – the sad thing is so many players do not even know about the forum to find out what happened to their redemptions and why the add of points to their score – they probably think they hit big – hope them innocent members find out soon.

Posted by: Former NW Addict
Date: May 18, 2008 7:03 PM
Posted by leftie.
” Very interesting find Misty – the sad thing is so many players do not even know about the forum to find out what happened to their redemptions and why the add of points to their score – they probably think they hit big – hope them innocent members find out soon.”
Hi- I used to love playing in the contests with you! No more.
I wonder if there is a way for those playing the wheel and banko be notified there are no more ecount/debit cards to cash out on. Just the stinking raffles. I bet if they knew- most will not play any longer! Disgusting
I sent an email to my referals that I had an address for and told them the news and told them to pass it on to the referals and so on down the line. I told them I was sorry for leading them to such a scam site, but also explained it was good for awhile then they started paying themselves and advertisers and not the members that helped them grow.

Has anyone been following the Netwinner traffic report online. It gives you a history of internet activity. I find it to be very interesting. Here is the site I go to, to check traffic history on Netwinner.
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/netwinner.com
Page views are the only thing up on netwinner. Alexa.com must not know that people are going to NWC and not the main site. If thats the case then the traffic numbers for players must be even lower.

Page views are the only thing up on netwinner. Alexa.com must not know that people are going to NWC and not the main site. If thats the case then the traffic numbers for players must be even lower.
leftie is ssan staying or leaving?

Does anyone know if the Prize Drawings list in your account information(where it shows how many draws you had and whether you won) ages out? I just logged in to check my acct(I haven’t played since the changes, but I keep checking just to see if anything changes) and I am only showing one prize drawing(the most recent).

din24
i looked at trudo’s profile and posts, she posted once on may 15 in ’3 word game’ and the last post before that was april 22
i don’t know when her surgery was but if it was before may 15 then she is still around at least
i sent her a pm asking how she was doing after her surgery and told her you had asked about her but i don’t know if i will get a response or not, i hope i don’t get in trouble for passing on a msg since it has nothing to do with this nw mess

remember the girl who said she made 250 grand working for nw
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=98718055
heres another nw employee making that much
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=18171738
this is 6 times the median income in charlotte according to wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte,_North_Carolina
no wonder we didnt get paid

They are deleting stuff not realizing some of you took screenshoots already. At least thats my take on this. I wish I had taken a screenshot of the post that got me banned. It shouldn’t have. Don’t really mind anymore tho. Not at all. Here is way better.

What post was it? Maybe I can get in and get a ss for you?

I would think they keeping options open and will try to work with us by providing contests outside the wheel and banko side of things like the present contest

Anonymous… Mike probably deleted the thread. It’s the one where he is explaining what happened to the first thread the famous email from the president was posted in. Remember that thread got deleted?? He put the letter on again and said …He did not delete the first one and was trying to figure out how it got deleted. He went on to say something like ( That what happens with these senseless attackers they ruin everything) I replied to the post. (I said he shouldn’t belittle us thay way. Our comments weren’t senseless. I said that I couldn’t believe that he blamed us when it was his bosses that screwed us.) Something along those lines.

arion is ahardison, mike’s boss and cto of nw, interesting that he only has a high school education, i guess people that young grow up on computers though and learn a lot more than i will ever know in elementary school, lol
i just got an email saying leftie is new ‘vent moderator’ at ssan, wtg leftie
acsfl – if you haven’t played since the change it seems like you would not have any entries in drawings to list on prize drawings page, i don’t understand why latest drawing is listed there though, i have not looked at that page lately, last time i logged in was the last time someone said ecounts were showing back up again (mine never did come back even briefly though)
pkb143 – great job on the video

kiarasmamaw, I found it if you want a ss of it lemme know

Linda, if you read leftie’s first post about ssan you;ll understand it better. She said it wasn’t for netwinner points.
leftie, some don’t want to login to netwinner at all. Me included. We don’t want them to be able to show that their house is still full.

Thanks, knothead, glad you liked it. I expect to be officially banned very soon. Oh well, another bites the dust..but I have to set the record straight as far as how I feel about NW now.
Leftie, I’m having trouble justifying supporting the NW partners in any endeavors. I do like Sandra, but that’s not the point. I assume you can still play NW games on the SSAN site, right?
Or…should we consider the partners “victims” as well?

I myself won’t play on partner site either. I also won’t knock those that do. I feel they are all Netwinner. I would play on ssan if they would lose netwinner and start their own games. I liked them.

kiara – add me at BT if somehow we not hooked up yet – same name

Nice of people to assume they think they know what people are doing – I’ve got nothing to hide – I’m using my name

Here’s the new netwinner YouTube video by pkb143 . It’s great !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F5s1UOec0I

Anonymous..U got mail…lol

If SSAN.com really felt sorry for people who lost a lot of money when Netwinner illegally broke their contract with their players, then I think she would have severed all ties with Netwinner. Partner sites that continue to be paid by Netwinner, even knowing the fact that Netwinner failed to honor its own contract with players and then tried to offer bribes to keep people quiet, are just as guilty of the villany as Netwinner themselves. I for one, will never support the partner sites who continue to support Netwinner.

Pkb should win the $850 first prize…lol

LOL – thanks everyone.
Somehow I knew that Netwinner video contest was never going to award any prizes. ‘Not closing until we get 100 entries’…ummm….yeah, right.
Anyway, for me, it’s like printing a retraction in the paper. My Netwinner addict video was up for almost a year for NW’s benefit, so I think it’s only fair that my “retraction” gets broadcast the very same way.

pkb – Fabulous video! Can’t believe you could put that together so quickly – and with the perfect song, no less. Sure hope a lot of players who don’t even know there is a NWC see this video and will stop playing.
leftie – Sorry, I also will not play one game on any website affiliated with NW. Also wonder if, as per their rules, you play you will be agreeing to their new policy. Also, I have no trust in any of the other sites or games.
Becky – My rough estimate on points averaged in the last 3 months is anywhere from 0 to over 1,000 a day (a couple of times). I seemed to see the same ads over and over – maybe between 4 – 8 a day? Don’t know if this will help much.

Hardison is 25?

way to go pkb!! Love the video.

Video is AWESOME!!! Thanks for all the hard work and help everybody is doing here to help others who also have been hit hard by NW…..I don’t post much, but I’m definitely on this side….thanks also for the SSAN Grill game, alhough I have one question, if SSAN is not with NW now, then why is the layout like the NW games? It makes it confusing, and I can see why they doubt the game….TTYL…..Oh, and I can’t wait until Monday when the belt will be undone, I forgot who said it earlier, but they made a post about Monday, BIG stuff going down…….will be very interesting….hopefully we sill see some action….

Maybe Ssan will change their minds when their contract is up. I liked the site too. If things change I’ll play there again.

leftie… I think you should understand how people feel. We were cheated by this company. We feel the partner sites are doing the same thing the mods and Mike are doing. They just forgot about us. I respect the heck out of you. I do however understand how someone takes seeing any part of netwinner promoted on here. Also this battle won’t end until Netwinner somehow pays for what they did to everyone.

pffft it musta had a blip , i couldnt get it to load , even checked my net connection , sorry
Working fine now

It’s not gone. I am there right now…

Well , our friend , Hardtimer , has shown her face and made a post on the netwinner central forum . Guess what ? In her avatar , the word “staff” is now present .
I guess those months of repeating the NetWinner mantra , ” hang in there , be patient , NetWinner pays ” etc , landed her a job . I wonder how blood money feels ?
Just another bump for pkb143′s video , so people will watch it .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F5s1UOec0I

Anonymous I sent it again from another email addy. i copied and pasted the emil you wrote above.

mamajenjen is now an Administrator

Kia got it that time and replied

They are doing something to the forum. There was a thread about the youtube postings, and it shows as having another post, but I cannot get to it. Every time I try it says I don’t have “permission”…something’s up guys
……it happened to me too. I cleared my cookies and stuff…and was able to get back in

I tried to get on it too and it would not let me.

I think they are deleating it, I just got warned because I posted the link. I thought it would be ok since the other video was there…. sorry pbk, I hope I didn’t cause trouble for you

Someone posted the link to pkb143′s YouTube video in the thread that fish started about videos . The thread was up for a few minutes and now has been deleted .
So typical . Can’t have any negativity at Netwinner .
Does anyone else notice all the people at NetWinner that have angels , tinkerbell etc in their avatars ? Kind of ironic isn’t it , as they cintinue to sing NetWinner’s praises.

Posted by: Jaymie
Date: May 18, 2008 11:00 PM
I think they are deleating it, I just got warned because I posted the link. I thought it would be ok since the other video was there…. sorry pbk, I hope I didn’t cause trouble for you
**********************************************************************
Jamie, I don’t know how you could cause trouble for me. I fully expected to be banned last week and WASN’T. I saw your post about my video and quoted it saying “Don’t kill the messenger.” I’ve been posting here under my NW username so they should already know how I feel about all this, anyway.

It still works for me.

omg there are 2 lindas here.
one that posted earlier was not me.
i love sandra and ssan! i played all
last month in her contest!

Thanks Anonymous. Got it. I knew I didn’t say anything wrong. oh well, who did? Glad I’m here and not there.

i’m here and there

While Becky is ultimately the boss of what’s posted here, I hardly think pushing partner sites is wise, especially after everything that’s been said about the poor decisions some affiliates are making. The cups of bitterness still runneth over.
Leftie, my comments were not meant to ostracize you or anyone else. I just felt it necessary to clarify my position. You say we don’t know what some people are really doing, but unless there’s a plan in the works to topple the regime, I will surmise that few people here are interested.

Is it just me or did nwc just close it’s doors?

Posted by: ?
Date: May 18, 2008 11:38 PM
Is it just me or did nwc just close it’s doors?
Nope. I can still get in fine

I was in, then checked the members list for the holly imposter, and under the first i noticed a second even worse holly imposter. then went back to main page and it said can’t find server. Closed all tried again and got the same. cleared cash and cookies didn’t help. have i been banned or are they gone?

same here , i get nada , zip zilch and cant view the members list any more

Hmm..dunno if I should say this but I can still get in

well this certainly goes against theyre “we dont ban anyone unless they are attacking us ” rule !
I havent said diddle about anyone on there , i havent posted anything derogatory on there or here , and in fact if they would go look in the odds n ends forum , i was trying to HELP holly identify a teapot she has !!!!
I did post that screenshot , but if theyre going to let names like that be on the forum , why cant i post a pic of it ???
It just made me curious that they can ban a member in seconds for caps but they didnt notice those names ?

ok, that’s strange. it works fine now.

fyi….shelly is now Netloser staff

well i can’t get in. it shows i am logged in. see pm’s disabled and nothing…
hmmm maybe they banned me.. rofl..
netwinner blows donkeys
……clear your cookies and stuff….and refresh. It has happened a few times to me…and when I do that..it works.
did all that still nothing.. who gives a flying BEEP anyway…

Posted by: Former NW Addict
Date: May 18, 2008 11:58 PM
what other forum??
Someone here mentioned starting up a forum just for the people that have been done wrong by NW. Becky’s site isn’t set up for all these comments and this style of posting is not the best.

Yes it shows u as being there, Kia. I also noticed it just went from 168 online to 15. Wow…

oh well.. got alot of people to leave there anyways…
no big flippen deal.. one of my referrals sis in law is still stupid enough to play.. will find out what crap goes on anyways.. and have made alot of friends and i can find out as welll..
hahaha just have to read over here.

kiaras – just logged into NWC (12:04 am CDT) and it showed you logged in. Your name was next to mine. I can’t understand why they haven’t banned me yet. Go figure.

can someone go check one of my comments and see if it says banned below my name ?
(badbadkitty)

Thanks ?. I thought so. they are so darn good at what they do. So we that are banned need not to log in at all. Members that don’t we will see our names and consider US liars if we say we are banned. . I am deleting any pages in favorites that have anything to do with Netwinner. Just like we cancel our accounts but will still be in their database as members. Ban us from the forum but still show us as on. No dang wonder people think they have a bazillion members.

I also think all the holly nics are gone. At least I don’t see them in the member list anymore.

wow , ok well at least now i know lol
too bad theres no way around that like a proxy or anything LMAO

lol poor bad kitty.. wonder how many more were banned tonight.

would like to find out if i am banned but don’t want to give my name..lol guess i am going to have to wait to find out.

your name would still be on unless you hit the refresh button

they probably think you create the fake holly names….who knows…

bbk you are over at Bt right?

I did think that they might think those are my names , but then why would i point them out .. and yes i am at BT same name
I set a record today , banned in 2 forums , ive never been banned in my life and im on dozens and dozens of forums lol

I did think that they might think those are my names , but then why would i point them out .. and yes i am at BT same name
I set a record today , banned in 2 forums , ive never been banned in my life and im on dozens and dozens of forums lol
…you forgot that most of the current admin/mods are not to bright and who knows how their brains/minds work anyway. It’s hopeless….I always wondered why a website would have that kind of “help”. It’s unbelieveable.

I think it’s pretty funny that they all got “promotions” while they were gone. Kinda makes you wonder what they were offered to stay…

Thanks for the invite. And I love the nic you used for me… “Nonny” LOL

Wonder if i signed back up as BannedBannedKitty , they would know who i was ?

Posted by: Former NW Addict
Date: May 19, 2008 12:35 AM
I did think that they might think those are my names , but then why would i point them out .. and yes i am at BT same name
I set a record today , banned in 2 forums , ive never been banned in my life and im on dozens and dozens of forums lol
…you forgot that most of the current admin/mods are not to bright and who knows how their brains/minds work anyway. It’s hopeless….I always wondered why a website would have that kind of “help”. It’s unbelieveable.
It is unbelievable who they have apparently made staff . None of them can put together a coherent sentence . Hardtimer posted here on one of the netwinner articles as anonymous . You could tell by her sentence structure ( actually her misuse ) and by her trying to use words that she has no idea of what they mean . She is truly pathetic .

K signed up. Trying to find my way around now. I am at my profile page. Is there anything I need to do first?

I guess Hardtimer’s philosophy is “I was a player too, and they decided not to pay me my prizes, so I’ll just go to work for them and make sure I get paid, by ripping off tons of unsuspecting newbies that sign up…”

Nonny , you can click on profiles and search for us by name , then add us to your friends list .
I will send a list of things you can do to get pts to your email you gave me

OK tyvm

Going to bed kiddos. this old woman’s tired. hope tomorrow brings us some good news.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=178181638
Saw you guys posting Netwinner employee’s MySpace pages up top. The above is another one, Allen Dean or AD as he’s known at Netwinner. Allen’s also known as a Netwinner owner and Mike’s boss’ boss (Arion being Mike’s superior and owner of AdStreams.)
Some Netwinner toady will likely come here again and claim that’s not true. For those of you who’ve never seen a pic of him before or wanted to know more about him, you now have a face to put with the name…and more. All about Allen Dean:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/netwinner

Try http://www.winster.com or http://www.worldwinner.com for games and prizes. These are much better than netwinner.

I just have two seconds this morning (daughter’s end of the year school party today):
First, I got an email from an intern at the Consumerist this morning saying they will look into your complaints about NetWinner.
Second, PBK is doing an interview with me about his/her new video. Hope to have it posted this afternoon.
Third, leftie, I have all the respect in the world for you for being to my knowledge the one and only mod to step up and tell NW to shove it. I don’t, however, have any respect for SSAN or any partner site who continues to profit from NW despite NW’s refusal to pay its members. I have had the opportunity to look at the partner contract, and it says that partners who pull out lose any accumulated earnings that they haven’t been paid for. It’s my humble opinion that to these partners, sacrificing that money is more important than standing up for what’s right. Call me old-fashioned, but I think having a clear conscience is worth more than $200…or whatever amount they’re owed. Again, leftie, that’s my opinion of the partner sites and not of you. You’re an awesome chick with a backbone of steel. You rock.

I read on another board that the games don’t have many ads running on them anymore. I wonder if the advertisers are leaving?
Also I am not banned over at nwc so i read it several times a day. I have noticed Mike has been absent all weekend and is still not logged in today. It seems like when ever he’s gone for a few days he come’s back with more bad news. Wondering whats going to happen now.

Very interesting indeed leftie. Just another case of their lying and BS. I was banned with NO warnings. Just posted one negative comment and bam, gone!

Some can’t figure out why they’ve been banned. I can’t figure out why I HAVEN’T been…or at least I don’t think I have.

I think they delete the negative post that they feel others may actually pay attention to. If you just badmouth them others may sure enough just think we are whiners. If your post make a lot of sense and your complaint is reasonable, they ban you. In other words, they ban us smart people…lol

Man it’s a ghost town in NWC. And most of the posts are by members with a “Banned” under their names. You knw people coming in just reading posts will notice that alot of the players have been banned and start wondering what is up.

Hey BBK..I sent you a friend request Anonaymoose is the name.

Ok, it’s time for Anonymous to come out of the closet, so to speak .lol.. I’m tired of being anonymous and want to be “distinguished” from all the other anonymouses out there. So everyone knows who I am, I am now Anonaymoose! (insert superhero entrance music here)

Why hasn’t NW been added to the Boycott list yet? I’m sure they have enough complaints.

Our combined efforts to submit complaints and post everywhere possible about the indignities suffered has to have seriously impaired their ability to function.
This could be completely irrelevant but then again it might not. According to federal sweepstakes guidelines, (which, by Netwinner’s own admission as recorded in the TOS they describe their program as being):
1. A sweepstakes is a promotional device in which prizes are offered to participants selected on a random basis.
And
2. Once the official rules are published and posted, they must be followed exactly and cannot be changed during the course of the promotion, except under extreme and unusual circumstances. In addition to the official rules, any advertisement or promotional mention of the sweepstakes should be reviewed for consistency with the rules and to avoid consumer misimpressions about any aspect of the promotion.
As quoted from: http://www.ennsandarcher.com/s_basics.html
There are many other stipulations, rules, laws and guidelines that apply to sweepstakes but the above may be of special interest to the FTC and the NCAG since it’s well documented that Netwinner has modified the terms repeatedly. While Netwinner strays from the traditional sweepstakes format, we can reasonably assume that promoters cannot arbitrarily decide to use some rules and not others and some elements and not others. In any event, it might be worthwhile to emphasize these findings in our complaints.
NOTE: The AG can also determine if, in North Carolina, prizes exceeding a certain amount must be bonded and/or insured.

wth, what is going on with all these bans
most of my griper buddies are here (except for the few chameleons that change when it suits them)
mike sure must be running scared to just keep banning people right and left … must mean we did something right

Just a brief history about the GPTBoycott site. It’s basically become as obsolete as an Atari game. Over the past several years, hundreds of known PTR scams have slipped through their fingers like dry sand on a windy day while only a select few have been listed. The reasons for that are varied and complicated. Some of the moderators had been big builders, friends with or somehow involved with PTR sites that ended up scamming members. Some sites never received the proper amount of complaints and some received the complaints but one or two complaints had to be refused if they were disputed or not worded right. At times, there were disagreements from within which led to lengthy time lapses of reports being reviewed, and the fact that Lucidity Hosting also [knowingly] hosted many scam sites while also hosting GPTBoycott has been a major conflict of interest for years. So, while it’s good to get the word out anywhere and everywhere possible, don’t put too much credence in GPTBoycott.

From what I have been reading all over….and also during the past while playing the games, being active in the forums, contests….I always had a “gut feelling” that Netloser will not last. I could not believe how things were expressed by the head moderator and most of the mods. Games were “glitchy”….so, they say. Don’t believe it for a min and still don’t. That goes for the so-called raffle drawings as well. Like a badly run merry-go-around with clowns riding.
I hope someone- BBB…whoever…..does something and shuts these clowns down.

Just checked th chat for netwinner. No one ws in there last night or today. I bet they have been ordered not to go in chat.

LOl they probably read the post about needing a chat and were afraid we would use theirs…lol

ROFLMAO! Yea..like we could use it anyway. Remember..it’s in BETA and it’s glitchy. So why would we want to use it?

Sorry, guess I should have said more, but there were a few people that came up when I typed your nic from here into the search and I didn’t want to approach the wrong person.
Yea, it’s anonaymoose

Wow! I just checked my BT page and I have 6 pages of friend requests! Wonder how many are from here? Everyone plz stand up if you sent me a friend request. The rest I haven’t heard of, but am investigating them LOL!
Makes you wonder if some of them are from you-know-where

Nonny , there may be some but on BT you get pts for requesting someone as a friend , and for accepting a friend , so you will get thousands of friends requests … its a good thing trust me LOL

Well lemme ask you this. I set my profile to private. Would I Still get this many friend requests? I thought setting it to private meant noone could see it but the ones you let see it?

Ah ok. Guess I am being paranoid. LOL! And, my friend request to you still says pending, btw

Anonymous said:
“You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life”.
Winston Churchill
Hey, did you get that quote from BT???? I posted that one yesterday! I was thinking of NW when I found it!

K wrenna, I approved all of my friend requests just now

Well looks like you just got an answer..Mike has posted in your thread. Vague as usual

Holy Cow… I wasn’t paying attention and had 130 friend requests! oops.

I sure thought the quote was VERY appropriate for what we’ve been through with NWC!

K tried to find the answer myself, but how do I send invites to my friends at BT?

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Posted by: Anonymous
Date: May 19, 2008 11:42 AM
we all need some kind of chatroom or forum where we can all go to
does anyone know where we can go to talk??”"
A forum is being created just for you!
Posted by: kiarasmamaw
Date: May 19, 2008 11:45 AM
Just checked th chat for netwinner. No one ws in there last night or today. I bet they have been ordered not to go in chat.
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Be advised that whatever you say in there can be pulled up on logs and viewed by Netwinner staff, admins and mods via the saved log information. Just want you guys to know that before you go in there. The chat room is also run by Shelly.

Well they locked my waldo thread. lol hardtimer says this is already being discussed in the Letter from the president so I’m locking this thread. I sent her a pm instead of mike like she suggested. Here is what I said.
Thanks hardtimer for the suggested thread. But after going there and seeing it is the thread about the Netwinner letter from the president i do not see how this fits what i asked. I don’t think you needed to lock the thread but I am not surprised at all. If I hurt your feelings I am sorry, but what goes around comes around and my feelings have been stomped on by netwinner.
As for having a better day tomorrow…..I’m not having a bad day today, I’m just tired of the run around game you people play. Have a great day. hippi:)

Anyone read the terms of service thread? If you didn’t block their e-mails before the changes and they got to your inbox or had any daily raffle entries which were not drawn daily or logged in to their site they say you agreed to the changes.

I already friended you leftie. You just didn’t notice.

OK thx hippigypsy – will to the accept tomorrow. Got my points for today – lol.

We love news over here – I did get one post sent to me about banning people – was just more of their lies

Everything I have posted there was truth. The only thing close to a jab was my where’s waldo question referring to Mike. But he deserves it. lol

ROFLMAO That’s probable true. How foolish to bite the hand that feeds you.

from the Mickey Mouse Netloser Club forum:
posted by mamawarmandfuzzy……..
It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside to know you all decided to stay with us.
Where is e1? Any more news re: BBB responses, etc? I still have not received a response from the NC BBB and it has been almost 1 week.

Hey all..its Not hard to guess who I am ..and I am justlee at BT too!!.
Having a forum or chat of our own is a great idea..poor becky must be overwelmed by trying to keep up with this lol..
I am making bets on how long it will be before the whole NW hame plan blows up..might take awhile tho..but I say the first week of June and there will be nothing left of NWC but the crying.
Oh and I would Love to tell Mike what he can do with his oil.And it has nothing to do with tickets But alot to do with a point.;-P

what is BT???

BT is Boomertowne.com
Not sure if you can post a pic here. but, if you load it to photobucket or something and post the link, we could look at it.

i got it here ya go
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn140/netwinnersucks/netwinnermotto.jpg
or http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn140/netwinnersucks/?action=view&current=netwinnermotto.jpg
if that didnt work

Have my granddaughter Kiara today so not on much. I knew about the chat room. I knew it was run by netwinner. I’m not one bit worried about Netwinner knowing what I say tho. If I actually wanted to chat in there I’d say what I wanted to until I was banned. They know what we say everywhere anyway.
About emails from Netwinner. I never got one myself. I read it from the one Becky posted here. I haven’t recieved emails from them in a long long time.

Just posted by Mike:
For what it is worth…
We do remove these posts most of the time. These will be removed as well, i am sure.
However, they are not ingored. I read them all. I feel them. I am sad by them. I hope we are able to make up for what has happened down the road. The company hears all the players voices.
I need to tend to the forum, but we are not trying to burry or hide anything. We just want to survive if we can. I think we will.
Yea…right

Thanks for that info, Dennis. All the more reason we need to keep the pressure on.
Hey all, for those who haven’t sent in a complaint to the N.C. Attorney General, here’s the pdf form to print out. It’s really easy. The information you need can be found on Becky’s blog.
PDF FORM: http://www.ncdoj.com/DocumentStreamerClient?directory=Forms/&file=stancom.pdf
BECKY’S BLOG: http://comparerewards.blogspot.com
Even though it may be a hassle to fill it out and get it sent in, remember, yours might be that one last complaint needed to initiate action.
We’re doing great!! Keep up the good work, everyone!!!

I need to tend to the forum, but we are not trying to burry or hide anything. We just want to survive if we can. I think we will
Yeah right – maybe they beginning to realize their boat is sinking – let’s keep adding weight and sink it faster

Can someone check the winners section of the contests – did I win – did I win??

I’ve sent my complaint to the better business a few days ago even offered them a deal that I would accept half of the $200 they owe. So far no response from Netscam. They have till friday to respond. Haven’t decided where to go next if they don’t. Sunshine rewards posted on there forum when this happened that she doesn’t like what they did but will continue being affiliated with them. Now any complaint there gets deleted.

Has anyone noticed an up tick in their spam mail lately

Anonaymoose..u still able to login to NWC?

I didn’t enter my points in any of their draws – being banned they put probably draw again and not let us win – but the oil is for them not us – lol

So they are trying to say that logging into our account on NW is acceptance of the new TOS ? do they know how fast thats going to get thrown out .. being that you have no other way of knowing about the TOS other than thru the website , which in all the times ive played has NEVER let me know that the TOS have changed from what i originally agreed upon , and i do know that doing this is vital becuase many other sites will make you re-agree to the new TOS before you can log in .
And im not entering into any of their snake oil draws either , because quite simply i want what i was promised , not no funky hocus pocus raffle tickets

At least it’s only a double. When I first posted here I had a triple. Now I know just wait and not click twice. Now to find a real double.

Well it’s official I am now on the banned players list. Everything I posted was mild and without name calling. But I really don’t care. I was gonna file complaints with every agency under the sun anyway. They pushed my buttons for sure.

Um..uh oh. I just checked and it says PM Disabled…ack

ruh roh Anonaymoose. What did you say????

LOL! I don’t know. I was just kinda agreeing with all the others. Guess they see that as a threat..LOL!

Your new forum folks…
http://www.freepowerboards.com/theopenforum/index.php I hope everyone enjoys it!
Please read the rules before posting.

This is what started the ban ball rolling for me. Thought those who had not been able to get in would get a kick out of it. Enjoy
Ding- Dong…….karma calling. Glad I’m not in the hot seat. Mike, your butt warm yet.?
bubble, bubble, toil, and trubble.
they gave back the points and now they are double.
We sit and we stir and we add a few treats
some sage and some wormwood with a few little feets.
Wolfsbane, and chokecherries, now in the pot
as we stir and stir the seat will get hot.
We call on the Goddess Bridget to our side
to take care of business on those who have lied.
We played by your rules and have nothing to hide
Things would have been fine if you just hadn’t lied.
Now back to the pot, the fire is hot,
the Goddess is coming, this is your last shot.
Do the right thing and pay what is owed
or it will be time that you reap what you’ve sowed.
what do you say to an angry witch……
ribbit, ribbit!:P
Bridget-If the people she approaches refuse to help her, they may find themselves with a bad string of luck afterwards. If they help, they might find the opposite.
Bright blessings to all, with luck on your side.
I truly am sorry to you they have lied. hippi:(

Wooohooo!!!! Awesome You’reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay! Thank you SO much for the sweet new forum!!!
Registered with my same nic as here BTW..the image in the top left of the pages isn’t coming up for me. It’s showing as a red x.

Just joined the new forum. Like the layout.

I just registered, too! thanks very much for your work on this. I’m still checking this site every 15 minutes or so tonight waiting for Becky to put up my video and interview.
I’m also registered on BT – add me, everyone! I just figured all that out today and realized I had over 300 friend requests (I joined in late April and just never checked it). LOL …too many other things going on.
***Thanks again, Becky! You’ve been right all along. Call me “sadder but wiser.”

Hey, PKB..what’s ur nic on BT? I tried PKB but it said No friends found with that name.

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