Interview With Maker of Anti-NetWinner Video

May 16, 2008 · 573 comments

As you know, on Monday, NetWinner decreed that it would cancel all outstanding redemptions for gift cards and Ecount debit Mastercards and simply return the points (doubled) to their members’ accounts for use as entries into prize drawings. Many members have since posted their dismay at this turn of events, as evidenced in the nearly 1500 comments combined between my original post on Monday and the follow-up on Tuesday.
Many NetWinner members have found their way to this site in their search for avenues of recourse against NetWinner. I’ve put together a one-page blog that contains a list of over a dozen things NetWinner players can do to try to recover their winnings, report possible illegalities, or at the very least tell others about their experiences so that potential new NW members are adequately informed of the site’s history.
One very creative young lady came up with another way to tell the public about NetWinner — YouTube. Using the member name disneydisasters, the daughter and granddaughter of avid NetWinner players whose cashouts were canceled created a YouTube video response to the last NetWinner Spin Report (the PR videos created by NetWinner starring Chad and (swoon) Anthony). In her video, disneydisasters cries, saying, “Thanks a lot, NetWinner! I won’t be getting a birthday present ’cause of you, and thousands of kids will not be getting Christmas presents because of you! It’s not fair!”

She goes on to say that her grandmother played NetWinner’s games for hours and it was unfair, even evil, for the company to rip off innocent little old ladies. The video concludes with a montage of other people and images that remind her of NetWinner, including Hitler, Benedict Arnold, and dog poop. (I laughed out loud at that one.)
I was able to contact the poster of the video, Jocelyn (aka disneydisasters), through her mother, who has been following my site’s coverage of the NetWinner debacle, and she gave me this exclusive interview.
Hi, Jocelyn! Thanks for talking with us today. Your video has created quite a buzz! I want to hear all about your story. First, how old are you?
I’m 13 years old.
How long have you been making videos?
I have been experimenting with videos for about a year.
Who else helped you make this particular video?
It was just me and my sister, Kaylee.
Did you script out what you were going to say beforehand or was this completely ad-libbed?
I kind of went with the flow and ad-libbed. I didn’t write a script.
What made you decide to make this video?
I saw my mom and my grandmother getting frustrated over not receiving their money, so i decided to tell Netwinner how I felt. My mom was going to give me her winnings to go shopping with for my birthday.
What did your mom and grandmother think about your video?
My grandmother thought it was hilarious but, my mom was not so sure at first.
What do you hope to accomplish by putting the video up on YouTube?
I want to let people know about Netwinner and how they are scamming people. It’s just not right for them to do that after people spent so much time on the Netwinner site.
NetWinner has threatened me with legal action quite recently for my reporting on the company. Are you concerned that they might try to come after you? I mean, comparing NetWinner to Hitler was kind of bold!
Are you serious, they want to come after you because you spoke the truth? I’m not concerned about it because if they can’t afford to pay the players then they can’t afford to get a lawyer. I don’t think comparing Netwinner to Hitler was bold at all because there are so many worse things I can compare them to.
Do you plan to make any future videos about NetWinner — maybe with your grandma as the star?
This was kind of fun. If they can keep coming out with videos on how good they are, I can keep coming out with videos on how bad they are.
Last question: What would you say to someone considering joining NetWinner as a member or partnering with them as an advertiser?
I would say don’t waste your time. My mom plays on other sites that pay her. Netwinner is just internet fraud.
Those are all the questions I have for you — thanks so much for the interview and I love your video!
Thank you!

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bruce May 16, 2008 at 6:16 pm

lmbo
that was the first time i saw that and i almost cried i was laughing so hard (fav was the little guy peeing on the netwinner logo)very creative. here is a thought. becky if you have any friends in the t.v. /broadcasting area perhaps you could send a copy of that tape to them. i see all the time where they will feature stories like this on some of the news programs. nothing gets people more involved than the mention of scamming the elderly and the young. just a thought. figure if a newcast like nbc abc cbs ect…. got that they would show it all over the states and perhaps other areas of the world. from the mouths of babes

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 16, 2008 at 6:29 pm

Hi,
I haven’t looked yet but I’d just submitted this reply on the other thread and it didn’t go through. Now I know why, lol. Thanks for the shiny new thread too Becky. :)
“Thanks for the well-wishes folks. :)
The argument of duplicate windows open in this case on their part cancels itself out. Why?
Well say you were playing the game and got booted. Then when you try to come back in you get the duplicate window warning even though you’ve only got one window open. Netwinner actually became a duplicate window generator in that case because they forgot to install an auto-disconnect user option on their server. That’s not your fault, it’s theirs.
Another reason why the duplicate window argument wouldn’t stand up is because they would need to prove that the accused player(s) were actively playing with more than one open window. If Netwinner were to try to submit false documentation to show double play (ironic as they “double deal” quite a bit, lol.), your own computer’s unique identifying information (and a few other places t
hey don’t seem to be aware of that I will not disclose here for obvious reasons) would prove that false.
In other words, congratulations! You’ve just added damages for emotional distress to any legal claim you pursue with them and they attempt to use these grounds. We all know how being falsely accused of cheating takes a toll on a person, don’t we? ;)
“this was posted on the NW forum. ughhh….guess they cannot see the light!
“Although I know from reading some had $600-$800 that they had redeemed points for, is quite a chunk of money and that to many even an extra $50 meant a lot. This is more an emotional loss than fiscal. However those who have been effected by tornadoes and earthquakes and this unnecessary war, have experienced losses in huge proportions. Let’s remember how fortunate we are as we sit within our homes in front of our PC’s that there is much for which to be thankful. Yes we chose to put in a great deal of time to win those points to redeem for cash, but that is so small in proportion to some who have lost a home and possessions that took them many years or even a lifetime to accrue.”

Oh they can see the light alright. Their light however consists of nothing more than using situations that they do not themselves suffer (grasp at straws much Netwinner?) in another transparent try at taking the heat off themselves and again misplacing blame…
“Don’t you feel bad about yourselves that you even care about what’s owed to you when there’s so much suffering in the world???”
Puh-leeze, Netwinner. That’s some tired, weakas*, con-artist trick we’ve all seen before.
The two have nothing to do with eachother Netwinner. Again Netwinner C for effort and A for transparency.
Yes, I know I should be resting but I check here occasionally anyway. Naughty.”

Aaron May 16, 2008 at 6:39 pm

/cheer Jocelyn. It’s always great to see someone so young be active in taking a stand. Even many adults never realize the power they themselves have as idividuals.
I myself was once on Canadian National news giving my opinions on certain laws here after i sent feedback on a news story they did. I won’t mention what it was. Not relevant to the conversation at hand. But it sure feels great to be self empowered for what you believe.
Better yet my wife and daughter came with me for the taping and my daughter got to learn first hand that one person’s voice can be heard no matter who you are.
All the media resources available to us in this time give us all great power to effect change. If telling your story to a news agency or writing a blog or making a video apeal to you then let your voice be heard, not just on this but all the things you see fundamentlly wrong in the world.
I’ve said before….Preasure is an amazing thing in all it’s forms. Use it for the side of good.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 16, 2008 at 6:40 pm

Nice video, lol. I like the Calvin peeing thingy a_lot. ;) I think a variation of that popular clipart might be just the thing to use on the new forum. =)
Ok, off I go again. Great job folks :)

Mikeysback May 16, 2008 at 6:44 pm

LOL ……Was just banned for leaving this statement in the thread SUGGESTIONS FOR NW : Yeah ,I have a suggestion …..Next time you guys wanna start a new game site ….try making it an honest one and actually pay your winners …..oh and Pick other winners besides the mods buds

Aaron May 16, 2008 at 6:49 pm

“Puh-leeze, Netwinner. That’s some tired, weakas*, con-artist trick we’ve all seen before.”
First, WB and glad to hear yer eye thing went well.
I was saying much same to my wife earlier. NW seems to keep trying the “Look over there” trick. It’s all so bizaar the way they acting. Chickens with heads cut off. So I guess they have this new forum that is invite only so those brownosers have to work extra hard to go do their regular brownosing. So four members and buncho mods chanting “Netwinner is great. Greatest forum ever”. What a joke. BTW, I’m betting alot of people only play on the weekend and havn’t even discovered what’s what yet. So Sat. and Sun I’d expect people coming here will likely pick up. Alot to read here as well. Gonna take some time to go all through it and sure many people will.

leftie May 16, 2008 at 6:51 pm

PERKS – what are perks??

leftie May 16, 2008 at 6:53 pm

I want to thank a couple people for defending my name in the forum – that is what friends are all about – they don’t screw you. Notice how quick that thread disappeared – PERKS???

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 6:56 pm

Good point!
I find it hard to believe that someone who claims to have written software since the age of twelve would not install an auto-disconnect user function into the game software. If for no other reason to make it easier for the company to detect cheating.
PS. My wife’s pretty smart huh? :o )

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 7:00 pm

I got your perks right here, Netwinner.

thecommittee May 16, 2008 at 7:10 pm

Utilizing the same medium Netwinner used to exploit thousands of people is brilliant. Force them out of business or underground, but be sure not to break any laws while doing it. The goal is to warn potential new sign-ups. By doing that, Netwinner will have no success. If you do create videos, make sure your information is factual.
Another thought, if accused by Netwinner of cheating and you’re positive you followed the rules governing your contract between yourself and them, offer (law enforcement) your hard-drive as evidence. Since everything you do online leaves “fingerprints,” most members subject to these (ridiculous) accusations should be able to easily disprove their claims.
To reiterate previous suggestions, be sure to cruise the net looking for perfect opportunities to post about your recent distasteful experiences about Netwinner. Places such as Gather, BigBigForums, MyCoupons, DealofDay, LottsaLottos, Boomertowne, GetPaidForum and many more still lack the onslaught of comments needed to alert the public about this obvious fraud.

Ann May 16, 2008 at 7:21 pm

I found this. There is a spot on the right side to comment if you are victim of netwinner. Anyone do this?
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/332/ripoff0332280.htm

Jaymie May 16, 2008 at 7:23 pm

oooh, thanks so much Ann :)

kiarasmamaw May 16, 2008 at 7:27 pm

I did the ripoff one. It’s a really good site. Also I’ve been over at NWC under a friends name who called me and gave me the user and pass. She said she herself will never go through their doors again. Mike says they will no longer answer questions on the forum but by email. He says they are hijacked too quick. He also has a Quote of the day thread. Other people put in their quote of the day. He deleted the quotes and locked the thread. Go figure.

leftie May 16, 2008 at 7:35 pm

Thx Anne – just waiting for the sign up email to finish the registration.

kiarasmamaw May 16, 2008 at 7:52 pm

You know, this is the first time since this happened that I am actually sad. I went to the sancturay forum. Mike is talking about how the players are going to help them rebuild the new netwinner. I mean we are forgotten. We were nothing to them but yeaterdays garbage. They don’t care at all what was done to us. That is hard to swallow. I thought some of the mods were really on our side but not a one of them was. Not a one. I am 53 years old and have been taught a a lesson. Man this sucks.

shellbear May 16, 2008 at 8:08 pm

what really sucks is that some people who you thought were on your side turned. Ive seen a few people who detested what nloser did but are still there, hey, more power to them i suppose, if they honestly believe they wont get screwed again but thats not a chance im willing to take. Unfortunately we’ve seen it in every day life, you cant tell someone anything, they need to learn for themselves. Most of the people already know whats going on and its up to them to choose whether or not they wanna be a victim again
I say let the butt kissers be, eventually they’ll all see that we were right ..

kiarasmamaw May 16, 2008 at 8:15 pm

You are right shellbear. I do see some that are acting one way here and still kissing there. That is something I will never ever do. A hypocrit is worse of the worse. I really really hope all that we are doing comes back on Netwinner soon. They can not get away with this.

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 8:25 pm

I noticed in the Sanctuary From The Negativity, NetPraiseWinner thread that someone posted I love that Netwinner is starting to fulfill prizes again, Seems that posters in this forum must be getting their payouts.

acsfl May 16, 2008 at 8:26 pm

Instead of just banning every person who says anything on NWC, why don’t they just shut the stupid thing down and play in their little private sandbox where they can play kissy-kissy, huggy-huggy and sing Kumbaya in private????
I honestly can’t believe how hilarious it’s become to hear about the wild excuses and responses Mike is giving over there. I hope he realizes he’s making himself look like a raving lunatic!

acsfl May 16, 2008 at 8:27 pm

Anonymous… are they saying they actually are getting their cards/reloads or being promised that they will???????

thecommittee May 16, 2008 at 8:36 pm

At least we can take comfort in knowing this has effectively weeded out the grain from the chafe. Friendships developed from here as opposed to the snakepit are based on something a bit more solid than selfishness, greed and ulterior motives.
As they say, there are none so blind as those who will not see.
Just as the hunter who climbed up into a tree to await his prey and soon fell asleep only to come crashing down to suffer several broken bones, to those who take pleasure in robbing people, Thecommittee wishes nothing but poetic justice.

kiarasmamaw May 16, 2008 at 8:38 pm

Netwinner is pretty smart I do believe. I hope some of you guys had your screenshots of redemptions and of them being removed both. Netwinner may be trying to pull another sneaky little trick. My inklings usually prove to be right. I had a gut feeling early on and I do believe it is now happening.

Not hard to guess who I am May 16, 2008 at 8:40 pm

Well I was one of those that was Promised IN writing a payout By Yesterday at the latest..oh gee guess what? NO Money in my ecount and I REFUSE to go to NW to see how my account stands.
Soooo.I have started to make sure that Net scammer does not get away with this…
I filed a report at Ripoff..posted the link to this site through a big contest/freebie board I am on..posted replies to Net”winner” videos(ones that would let me) On Youtube..Posted a link on my daughters “ripped off and pissed” Group on facebook..and I have only just begun.Monday morning I will start the process of filing complain with not only the US agencies listed in the blog but I will be tracking down More avenues for the Canadian agencies as well.
The “sheep” can kiss..Umm Face all they want..The dozen or so (including paid staff and mods)that remain can “love netwinner” all they want.The HUNDREDS if not thousands of us that have been ripped off have a far greater voice because we can refute every bit of their propoganda with Facts.I Will be searching for anywhere the might be a “Netwinner pays” post and I will make a point of telling Exactly what NW has done to US.

kiarasmamaw May 16, 2008 at 8:44 pm

Mike says in his new holy forum. Anything goes as long as you arn’t trying to run us into the ground. He goes on to say (In time I think I will grow this and shrink the rest)

leftie May 16, 2008 at 8:56 pm

As per Mike’s post – Netwinner pays all winners – lol
http://www.lottalottos.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1527&whichpage=102

acsfl May 16, 2008 at 8:57 pm

Sadly, I am one of the ones who didn’t get a screenshot of my prizes before they went ‘poof’. I have no record of my cashouts/requests…….. arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

kiarasmamaw May 16, 2008 at 9:09 pm

Thanks leftie. he not only said they pay but that he’s a Netwinner employee. That’s good to read.

Becky May 16, 2008 at 9:24 pm

Because I know there are folks here who no longer have access to NWC and want to know what’s up over there, here’s an update:
It has become the most boring forum in the history of boring forums.
I guess that’s what happens when you obliterate everyone with an opposing point of view.
I always tell my kids to embrace diversity…variety is the spice of life…what a boring world it would be if everybody was just alike. Well, NWC is a case in point.
Today’s body count included mikeysback and former Mini-Mod Leftie. At this rate, there’ll be nothing left but mods by this time next week.

curt May 16, 2008 at 9:30 pm

That girl needs some acting lessons.

indivisible (with liberty and justice) May 16, 2008 at 9:33 pm

To acsfl and other newbies. You may have records left in your email accounts. All those confirmation letters when you cashed in are proof also. To Leftie and mikey…’welcome to the jungle’! To Becky: More thanks for your continued support and the use of your blog. We can’t thank you enough!!

leftie May 16, 2008 at 9:36 pm

Oh Mikey – whatever did we do – I ain’t done nothing yet – give me time to get my screen prints printed off along with my PM’s and IM’s then we’ll have a party. I’m a nice person but don’t think I will just sit back and watch. I’ve basically been accused of being a spy. Spy, my ass, I’ve all been loyal over yonder and always posted positively and just since today have my feelings changed about what they did to everyone – not that I thought it was right before today, but today was the final straw.

Katie May 16, 2008 at 9:37 pm

Mike’s latest post:
To those who think I am abandoning the disenchanted
I know how you feel. I am willing to help all I can. If I could post letters I wrote about this mess I would, but they would just be reprinted and misquoted allover the net. I always have been a player advocate. I was before i wored here for all sites all over the net. I will be if I ever leave. However, I have looked around. There is no other place for players to go as good as right here. I will remain a presence here with angery members even as i create a different place for players who just do not want tpo be exposed to the hate, the anger and the negativity anymore.

thecommittee May 16, 2008 at 9:45 pm

The only time the bigwigs took the time to respond to the mountain of bad publicity was only when it pertained to the pornography connection. Apparently, that must be their Achille’s Heal, and after Arion Hardison publically admitted on NWC that he made porn available to minors, perhaps mentioning in your complaints to the Attorney General and the IFC the fact that Netwinner is directly connected to the porn industry may increase the chances of an investigation.

kiarasmamaw May 16, 2008 at 9:47 pm

Thanks leftie. I mean really really thanks. It has beens awful thinking not one mod, mini or otherwise cared about us. Thanks for being one that does. And welcome to our world…created by Becky

Aaron May 16, 2008 at 9:48 pm

Heyas Leftie, Thank you for standing up for what is right. May your Karma points net you great things. /grin

Rich May 16, 2008 at 9:50 pm

I wrote a ripoff report last night that looks like its posted now
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/332/RipOff0332821.htm
I’m sending them a screen shot of Mike admitting wrongdoing on the bribes issue so they can post it along with my comments. I would encourage everyone to file a ripoff report.

thecommittee May 16, 2008 at 9:51 pm

“I was before i wored here for all sites all over the net.”
Did he mean “whored”?
Oh, never mind. I think he meant “worked”.

Mistyshadow44 May 16, 2008 at 9:52 pm

I hope everyone is doing well, and it going forwarded with their complaints on Netwinner. I have gone past the stage of being mad by being ripped off from the site. I for one will not stop filing my complaints and intend on getting the word out to as many as I can on how Netwinner has defraud it’s members. I just don’t want to see more people come victims of this type of scam.
I quit playing the games on May 12th and I’m so glad I don’t have to put up with this unprofessional site, their lies and empty promises any longer.
I see at Netwinner Central they have started a section on the forum called,”Sanctuary from the Negativity”. It appears it was to build up the moral for the ones who want to continue to support this scam site. Some of the members from what I’ve read there are only trying to spit in the face of the ones who are anti-netwinner. One particular comment by DNofOhio makes a post that states, “A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.” Maybe I’m wrong, but does this not seem to be in retaliation against the ones who prefer to take a stand against what happened on May 12th?
There will always be people out their who will fall for a scam. They build their dreams on empty promises. It only takes once for me. I won’t allow myself to become victimized again by Netwinner. I just didn’t know their were so many gullible and weak minded people out there who are willing to set themselves up again to be scammed. Not knowing is one thing, but after being scammed once you would think they have learned their lesson.

Rich May 16, 2008 at 9:55 pm

So Mike’s idea of being a player advocate is to either offer excuses or just not answer questions, or in the rare event that he answers honestly, he then goes back and edits his response because he realizes it was damaging to the company. Then he states we are misquoting him????

Becky May 16, 2008 at 10:10 pm

Curt: She’s just 13! Not bad for her age!
Committee: :) Funny!!
Leftie: I’m sorry you were treated the way you were. I respect you tremendously for coming out in support of the many people wronged by Netwinner.
To all: IMPORTANT! If you still have a NWC account and want to keep it, I strongly urge you to post here anonymously. I’ve heard of two cases now where a member lost access to the NetWinner forum because of posts made off-site.

Rich May 16, 2008 at 10:14 pm

Internet Connection: $40 a month
PC: $1000
Watching Mike’s avatar change once again, this time to a prison cell door slamming shut on him and his buddies: Priceless
“There are some things you can’t buy, for everything else there’s debit Mastercard.” lol

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 10:14 pm

” Posted by: kiarasmamaw
Date: May 16, 2008 9:09 PM
Thanks leftie. he not only said they pay but that he’s a Netwinner employee. That’s good to read.

If Mike cashed in and is using duplicate accounts to boot (as is evidenced by his i.m. messages to and from one of you in another thread), he would revoke the bond required for Netwinner to have a jackpot in the first place. The TOS has always clearly stated that employees and their agents are not allowed to receive compensation for playing the games. Wonder who that bond company is? Betcha someone knows.
Something to ponder.

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 10:18 pm

” Posted by: thecommittee
Date: May 16, 2008 9:51 PM
“I was before i wored here for all sites all over the net.”
Did he mean “whored”?
Oh, never mind. I think he meant “worked”.

I think you got it right the first time.

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 10:25 pm

“”A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.” Maybe I’m wrong, but does this not seem to be in retaliation against the ones who prefer to take a stand against what happened on May 12th?”
No, you’re not wrong. It’s just more spin. They learn from eachother so well, don’t they?
Mike also appears to be spending more time here reading voraciously, than he is at his own forum as evidence by his acquisition of new words, LOL. Good for you Mike. Now about that spelling dude…
And finally, proactive is positive and that’s where we’re all about, I think. :)
Sorry if that bothers you Mike. NOT

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 10:27 pm

” Posted by: Rich
Date: May 16, 2008 10:14 PM
Internet Connection: $40 a month
PC: $1000
Watching Mike’s avatar change once again, this time to a prison cell door slamming shut on him and his buddies: Priceless
“There are some things you can’t buy, for everything else there’s debit Mastercard.” lol

Perfection!
and…
Welcome lefty!

BBK May 16, 2008 at 10:51 pm

Hi Ann , that was my report you linked to on ripoffreports , i checked last night and only 5 people had reported netwinner on there so far but im betting many more will be showing up soon .
Another avenue i would like to pursue is a report on consumerist.com , which is a kind of ” consumer fights back ” blog with millions of readers .
My main goal at this point is to close netwinner down , they have no interest in paying us , much as if we could just say ” wait i wanna restart , erase all my debts , kids and wife and start life over ” thats what they are doing .. to hell with the old players , they want new ones and im not going to let that happen .
As far as the new forum , though i havent went over there to see whats been said today ( see i do have a life) i think its incredibly crappy to start a happy thread for the a$$ kissers and theyre buds.
I believe the mods etc are getting their money , otherwise there is no reason they would stay , would you volunteer at a homeless shelter if it was secretely robbing the homeless?
No but if you were of low morals and was getting a cut , you just might .. need i say more ?
And the laugh of the day had to be mike and his mysterious attackers of the forum erasing all the negative threads LMAO

Former NW Addict May 16, 2008 at 10:52 pm

Rich- on your rip-off report…I think you forgot a word. It sounds like you are asking people to support NW.
…..Consumers be warned, if Netwinner is around much longer, I would strongly advise supporting their website, their long history of failed promises and obligations speaks highly to the lack of character of the executives and ethics of the company.

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 10:55 pm

I have also been posting on the web…..for people to cancel their accounts at NW. There was a thread in which someone name sweetypet asked to have their NW and NWC accounts deleted on May 14. Mike told them to email support@netwinner.com to which they replied they had. Well, as of now, I can still IM this person through NWC, so their request was not looked after. NW does not want to lose their member stats, but if you request to be removed, they should have to comply, do they not????

luvhockey May 16, 2008 at 11:02 pm

I filed at ripoffreport.com
Come on everyone, use a little time to get the info out there. I think only 8 people have done this. I was only owed $25 (although when they suddenly hiked the cash in to 100,000 pts I was 100 short of 25,000) it’s not the money but the morality of what they did.

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 11:06 pm

yea I’ve heard of the consumerist too. Great site. We really should find out how to get an article on there. It would really get the word out!

luvhockey May 16, 2008 at 11:07 pm

I filed at ripoffreport.com
Come on everyone, use a little time to get the info out there. I think only 8 people have done this. I was only owed $25 (although when they suddenly hiked the cash in to 100,000 pts I was 100 short of 25,000) it’s not the money but the morality of what they did.

kiarasmamaw May 16, 2008 at 11:15 pm

I did ripoffreport.com I really like the site. I think I even used the same username as here and that other site I used to belong to. Net somthin or other.

indivisible (with liberty and justice) May 16, 2008 at 11:18 pm

I just wanted to post an excerpt from an email I just received from the FTC. Please keep filing everyone!!!!!
“Thank you for contacting the Federal Trade Commission. We entered
the information you provided into our shared law enforcement data base.
We share this data base with Federal, State and Local law enforcement
agencies. Attached is your electronic response, which includes your
reference number. Any enclosures can be found at http://www.ftc.gov under Consumer
Protection and Consumer Information section.
Information from consumers like you helps Federal, State and Local
authorities investigate possible illegal practices and enforce our laws.”

ann May 16, 2008 at 11:24 pm

BBK I sure hope you don’t mind that I posted that link. I was googling netloser rip offs and that site came up. I thought it looked like a good place to post about what happened with netloser. I am headed over there now to file. I was at work earlier and didn’t want to be online too long.

ann May 16, 2008 at 11:33 pm

I have been trying to get onto the ripoff report site and everytime I go to the screen with netloser comments, it freezes up. I will try tomorrow. Hopefully that means it’s being hit with lots of people complaining.

thecommittee May 16, 2008 at 11:35 pm

BBK posted:
“My main goal at this point is to close netwinner down…”
Couldn’t agree more. It isn’t about the money owed, it isn’t even about being lied to and insulted again and again, it’s about ensuring their demise using the same methods they used to rip their own loyal members off. Word of mouth.
It isn’t good enough that they can seek safe havens beyond our reach. It isn’t good enough that they can still snare innocent people into their web of deceit and it isn’t good enough that they can still profit from being active in the internet. They need to be made an example of by those of us who have the decency to confront fraud and intimidation face-to-face.
Congratulations to everyone who have taken a stance against this rampant, insidious abuse. We can shut ‘em down, and we can run ‘em off!
Keep filing complaints with the authorities and posting everywhere you can!

kiarasmamaw May 16, 2008 at 11:50 pm

I just filed here. http://www.ic3.gov/

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 11:53 pm

When I type Netwinner in the search area of …. http://www.ic3.gov/
it says …. None found

Rich May 16, 2008 at 11:54 pm

Former NW Addict,
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!! I’m going to go update that now, I must have been more tired than I thought when I wrote that but hopefully the context of the rest of the ripoff report indicates that I am against Netwinner lol

Rich May 17, 2008 at 12:00 am

Wow, there are now 8 ripoff reports posted and that may not even include people who just put them in recently. I’m not sure about anyone else but I checked the box to allow media or law enforcement to contact me through there so maybe someone with the right authority will read all of our reports and shut them down once and for all. Then I guess Mike will have to resume his journalism career, after going back to elementary school to learn grammar, spelling, and punctuation again. lol

kiarasmamaw May 17, 2008 at 12:04 am

I just did the http://www.ic3.gov/ one. When I finished it said I would recieve an email with my complaint number. they said it could take a couple hours for them to process it. But I did one. By the way, I am not good at this stuff so if it’s not worded perfect don’t tell me…lol. I wrote a big one.

Former NW Addict May 17, 2008 at 12:19 am

This was posted by a NW mod….ughhhh
soooo off the point. The ” deeper harm” is fooling yourself!
…..”A Rattlesnake, if Cornered will become so angry it will bite itself. That is exactly what the harboring of hate and resentment against others is – a biting of oneself. We think we are harming others in holding these spites and hates, but the deeper harm is to ourselves. ”
~E. Stanley Jones

kiarasmamaw May 17, 2008 at 12:23 am

Hey go back and give them this quote…Do unto others as you would want them to do unto you…..then tell all of them to bend over…lol
Becky you can remove this post if you want. I just had to say it.

Rich May 17, 2008 at 12:25 am

Former NW Addict,
It’s late. My mind is blank from having to figure out power gains and losses in circuits. I would ask the Netwinner mod who posted the quote this question, but unfortunately I am banned, so forgive me for asking, but are we rattlesnakes then if we are trying to shut down Netwinner? And if we are rattlesnakes, does that mean we can use our venom on Mike and his cronies? lol

kiarasmamaw May 17, 2008 at 12:25 am

If you don’t know how to remove post, Mike can show you. My bad!

thecommittee May 17, 2008 at 12:26 am

These are the same ones who used to swoop in like vultures hissing at anyone who spoke harshly about Netwinner? Anyone remember those vicious scenes? Talk about snakes. Where are they now? Under a rock!

Former NW Addict May 17, 2008 at 12:32 am

Rich…..LOL
“Former NW Addict,
It’s late. My mind is blank from having to figure out power gains and losses in circuits. I would ask the Netwinner mod who posted the quote this question, but unfortunately I am banned, so forgive me for asking, but are we rattlesnakes then if we are trying to shut down Netwinner? And if we are rattlesnakes, does that mean we can use our venom on Mike and his cronies? lol
…..I would love to but,,,,,,,,I will get banned for sure and I am still reading the forums….puke puke. I still can’t believe what I read! The mod was ….mamayouknowwho

anonymous May 17, 2008 at 12:33 am

Posted by: curt
Date: May 16, 2008 9:30 PM
That girl needs some acting lessons.
Yeah, but at least she isn’t a brown-noser, butt kissin’ net winner lacky like you! Who cares what you think, this child at 13 has more class than you do at????? Netwinner ripped her grandma off! She is sticking up for her, what are you doing??
Let me guess…. sticking up for Netwinner playing that lack-luster of a boring game hoping to win a chance at getting something and maybe a chance at moderator……. hmmmm, too many cheifs and not enough Indians, sounds fair!

linda May 17, 2008 at 12:37 am

i was looking around the net,and found the myspace netwinner scam
video. GREAT loved it!
don’t know who did it but it was too funny!

pkb143 May 17, 2008 at 12:42 am

Well, I don’t think I’ve been banned at NW forum but I posted once on May 13 expressing my disgust with everything and said I wasn’t participating any further in the game OR the forum. So they don’t really need to ban me, I’m not posting there anyway.
I thought for the purposes of what we’re doing (filing reports with BBB and AG’s office) that we should keep our accounts open but not play? won’t it be easier to document things and keep track of what’s happening there if we keep them?
I plan to participate a little more but I’m caught up through tomorrow with a big family reunion. I only turned on the PC today for first time at 10 p.m. so I’ve been reading like crazy.
**Leftie, it’s good to see you here. : )

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 12:46 am

Going to bed in a few. My complaint still isn’t coming up in search on http://www.ic3.gov/. Also someone posted this site a few days ago. I thought other folks were filing too. But there are no results when searching for netwinner. So either no one actually filed like they said or it doesn’t show up. If mine ends up on there I really hope others will file too. I agree with the majority…we can’t let this die. That’s what they think we will do. Give up and lay down. But not me. Tom Petty wrote a song about me..lol

linda May 17, 2008 at 12:56 am

oh yes i filed
got a # and email back also
you can only search your complaint i think
with your #

Jaymie May 17, 2008 at 12:56 am

No… we can’t let this die. We have to go forward, We Will Provale (sp)

kiarasmamaw May 17, 2008 at 1:14 am

Yea I got my # too. I feel better if thats the case.

kiarasmamaw May 17, 2008 at 1:16 am

Anymore really good sites to post on let me know. I will do more tomorrow.

knothead May 17, 2008 at 2:01 am

this morning at 10:33 someone asked ‘why r some players getting ecards approved and others not?
no response from mjp all day and finally at 8:31 tonight i posted ‘good question, are you going to answer mjp?’
finally at 9:03 pm he said “I do not have an answer. I think the prize status changing was some sort of site anomaly. I did ask about it, but we have a lot going on around the office so I do not always get answers.
Last edited on Fri May 16th, 2008 09:04 pm by mjp65″
i wish i had seen it as soon as he posted, wonder what he edited on it
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
about that netpraisewinner thread, that was an existing thread moved to the new ‘sanctuary’
if you notice, most of the posts there were from before the big announcement that we would not get paid, 35 of the 41 posts are from may 10 or before including that one about being happy that they are starting to pay again
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sorry you got banned leftie, you kinda implied that you have some juicy info for us, when you gonna share with us?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
i have been trying to copy and save any threads that might get deleted for their convenience or benefit but i missed that ‘perks’ thread someone mentioned completely when i was away from puter today, i hope at least a couple of you are saving stuff like that too, never know when they will say something that might come in handy later
when mjp was making excuses about that ‘letter from netwinner president’ thread being deleted and blaming it on ‘the attackers’ i posted that i had a copy of it if he needed it, he didn’t answer but one of the sunshine club did and made a comment that kinda implied they thought since i had copied and saved it maybe i was responsible for it disappearing, lol
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
i don’t think they are going to delete any accounts whether they think the player was cheating or if the player requests it or whatever, i think they are keeping all 40% of the ‘cheaters’ to pad their numbers for the advertisers

BBK May 17, 2008 at 2:03 am

Ann i dont mind at all , post it everywhere you like !
I think the most vital thing is that we keep the momentum going and stay mad , with the way things are going on NWC that shouldnt be hard :)
I really really want to get the consumerist interested in this , and im thinking i will start a thread on their forum , and ask everyone to come and share their story , i want them to see how backhanded netwinner has acted both in their game and their forum but its so hard to condense it into an email explaining how we have been ripped off .
I also encourage everyone to share their story with their local ” in your corner / on your side / consumer helpline ” that are on most local news websites , the more bait we throw out the more likely we are to get a bite !
Consumerist thread here : http://consumerist.proboards88.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=warning&thread=1360&page=1

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 17, 2008 at 2:49 am

“Another avenue i would like to pursue is a report on consumerist.com , which is a kind of ” consumer fights back ” blog with millions of readers .”
Great idea. Please give us the link once you submit your report so we can join you. :)
” Posted by: Anonymous
Date: May 16, 2008 11:06 PM
yea I’ve heard of the consumerist too. Great site. We really should find out how to get an article on there. It would really get the word out!

Maybe hit their “contact us” link if they have one and give them links to the articles here?
“This was posted by a NW mod….ughhhh
soooo off the point. The ” deeper harm” is fooling yourself!
…..”A Rattlesnake, if Cornered will become so angry it will bite itself. That is exactly what the harboring of hate and resentment against others is – a biting of oneself. We think we are harming others in holding these spites and hates, but the deeper harm is to ourselves. ”
~E. Stanley Jones”
Well maybe Mike will listen to mamascamscam since that’s obviously who she’s talking to. ;)
“Going to bed in a few. My complaint still isn’t coming up in search on http://www.ic3.gov/. Also someone posted this site a few days ago. I thought other folks were filing too. But there are no results when searching for netwinner. So either no one actually filed like they said or it doesn’t show up. If mine ends up on there I really hope others will file too. I agree with the majority…we can’t let this die. That’s what they think we will do. Give up and lay down. But not me. Tom Petty wrote a song about me..lol”
I think it takes a bit for the claims to show up like they do at other agencies. Sometimes they won’t show up with certain agencies as searchable until resolved.
“finally at 9:03 pm he said “I do not have an answer. I think the prize status changing was some sort of site anomaly. I did ask about it, but we have a lot going on around the office so I do not always get answers.”
Mike’s not in the Netwinner offices (even though his statement implies it). He works from home New York state.
“about that netpraisewinner thread, that was an existing thread moved to the new ‘sanctuary’
if you notice, most of the posts there were from before the big announcement that we would not get paid, 35 of the 41 posts are from may 10 or before including that one about being happy that they are starting to pay again”
Another Bingo!
“when mjp was making excuses about that ‘letter from netwinner president’ thread being deleted and blaming it on ‘the attackers’ i posted that i had a copy of it if he needed it, he didn’t answer but one of the sunshine club did and made a comment that kinda implied they thought since i had copied and saved it maybe i was responsible for it disappearing, lol”
Hahahaha! The depths they will sink to! That’s hilarious!
” Posted by: BBK
Date: May 17, 2008 2:03 AM
Ann i dont mind at all , post it everywhere you like !
I think the most vital thing is that we keep the momentum going and stay mad , with the way things are going on NWC that shouldnt be hard :)
I really really want to get the consumerist interested in this , and im thinking i will start a thread on their forum , and ask everyone to come and share their story , i want them to see how backhanded netwinner has acted both in their game and their forum but its so hard to condense it into an email explaining how we have been ripped off .
I also encourage everyone to share their story with their local ” in your corner / on your side / consumer helpline ” that are on most local news websites , the more bait we throw out the more likely we are to get a bite !
Consumerist thread here : http://consumerist.proboards88.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=warning&thread=1360&page=1

w00t!
When I finish setting up the new forum (some time next week), I’ll create an area for these types of links so you guys can have them all in one section. When it’s ready, please add yours to the list. Everyone else should add theirs too. :) Then each reporting agency will have it’s very own thread.
Ok, off I go again. Great info everyone and keep on keepin’ on!

thecommittee May 17, 2008 at 4:31 am

Interesting thread over at the Disney Forum:
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1822753&page=3
Shame on partner sites for perpetuating this scam.

shellbear May 17, 2008 at 5:06 am

wow leftie, i mustve totally missed something, guess that happens when you dont go the forum as much

Rich May 17, 2008 at 9:28 am

thecommittee,
I just read the link you posted, I have no respect for those partner sites that continue to do business with Netwinner after the scam was revealed. But considering Becky’s report on the big raise partner sites recently got, and the fact that Netwinner has always paid the partner sites their share on time, it doesn’t surprise me that a few other greedy sites would ride the scam for all its worth.
On the other hand, Becky has earned a ton of respect, not only for doing her research and deciding not to just jump on the partner site bandwagon, but for being an outspoken critic and allowing former Netwinnerites to vent frustrations. Thanks again, Becky :)

Becky May 17, 2008 at 9:38 am

You’re very welcome, Rich!
NetWinner has been added to GPTBoycott’s Watch List. There’s a link here to a complaint submission form. Enough complaints and they are officially boycotted. Doesn’t mean a heckuva lot but it does help to publicize members’ unhappiness with the site.
http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18623

kiarasmamaw May 17, 2008 at 9:57 am

Just did the boycott page. Thanks Becky!

Rich May 17, 2008 at 10:39 am

Going to the boycott page now. On a semi-unrelated note, Becky, how long is that invite good for that you sent me to BoomerTowne? With 3 kids (all under age 4, including a newborn), trying to bring down the evil empire of Netwinner, and classes, I never have gotten around to signing up, sorry :( But I’m still interested in trying it.

Julie May 17, 2008 at 10:46 am

re: the Boomertowne invite: Becky, are you still sending the email on how to maximize points? I haven’t received mine. Thanks.

Rich May 17, 2008 at 10:55 am

I just noticed something interesting on the boycott page, several of the partner sites are listed as “verified supporters”, which means, among other things, they will not advertise boycotted sites, which means with a few more complaints, if Netwinner becomes boycotted, they should be forced to lose some partner sites, I counted about 7 just of the ones I know are partner sites.
http://www.gptboycott.com/supporters/

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 11:07 am

Boycott page done. How do you see how many complaints have been filed?

bruce May 17, 2008 at 11:47 am

just sent this to yahoo news room
hi
i would like to know if yahoo.com has their own news people? people that not only report the news from stories they see but those that also investigate stories presented to them? the reason i am asking is because in the past week there has been a major story that no one seems interested in covering on any new station.
there is a website/company netwinner.com netwinner llc that in the past week has decided that the thousands of members that have been watching their ads for over a year or more will not be receiving their earned awards. the company decided that because 40% of their members have been caught cheating that they will in turn not pay anyone. i have myself been cheated out of $350 and there are others that have lost much more than that. there have been letters sent to the BBB but netwinner only seems to respond to them with stall tactics. the final straw was netwinner decided that they would return all the points members won and had cashed in for their gift card and would now only allow them to be used in raffles. many people are very weary of their raffles seeing that their was one time that in a span of 4 days the same 4 people won a daily raffle 2 times each in the same order. each day has 2 drawings for $250 each and the raffles are auto entries that are won from a lotto game. now each members get the same amount of spins and should have the same odds at getting a free entry into the raffle how ever out of the 20,000 people that netwinner states they have the same 4 people won 2 times in a 4 day span. i am unsure what the ods of that happening however i know the ods of it happening with just 100 members would be well over 1 in 90 million.
any way is there is any way that yahoo could look into this and if you do investigations then perhaps you could do a news report on this obvious scam and this would inform others not to join this site. i am sure that no one will ever get the funds that are owed them but i would hate to think that this company can continue doing this time after time to people without their ever being some sort of info out there that would warn unsuspecting people.
btw. one of the employees has gone on record stating that what they have done was wrong but oh well that is just something the people will have to deal with. other employee has called the members that have complained about this cry babies. want to point out that a lot of the players were the elderly and disabled along with stay at home moms and various other and some that played to relax at the end of a work day. had the company not gotten paid from their sponsors they would have wanted to file suit against the sponsor and i can think of no reason that there should be a law investigation into the operation of this company for fraud. and if it does fall within the definition of fraud then that each person attached to the company be held accountable.
best regards
carlton bragg

bruce May 17, 2008 at 11:56 am

oops i almost forgot anyone who has screen shot of the info that they would like inserted please either email them to me or if you would like and becky agrees send them to her and perhaps she could email the copies to me. i have 1 other trick under my belt which i have saved as a final option and will in fact be unlatching my belt come monday morning.
trust me there is about to be a big big blowout on this and netwinner will see that not everyone is afraid of them and scared of thier threats of suit.

kiarasmamaw May 17, 2008 at 11:57 am

Good Carlton. keep us informed.

Rich May 17, 2008 at 12:01 pm

Carlton,
I have a screen shot of Mike admitting that bribes were paid to keep some members quiet. Let me know if you need or want it.

bruce May 17, 2008 at 12:12 pm

i should know come monday for sure. i just sent becky a email with my intent. do not want to post them here because do not want to give out my plans. but trust me if i am told what i think i will be told i will have some very good news come monday and a new avenue for each member that has been cheated. so everyone who has screen shots of any deleted post please hold it tight. perhaps copy it to a floppy to ensure you still have it just in case your puter crashes.
netwinner does not understand there is nothing i myself love more than a fight against those that would take advantage of others. and i will go through any means to ensure that this sort of thing does not happen to any others ( at least not from the same company ) without them having to pay somehow. at this point i no longer want my gift cards because i know even if i was to get them there would still be hundreds or even thousands of members that would not.

BBK May 17, 2008 at 12:13 pm

done as well !
They will soon have enough to boycott im sure .
Ive also contacted a very good friend who writes a ” websites to avoid” blog and asked her to write up a blog about netwinner and their shady dealings , ive asked my kids to make me a netwinner sucks video for youtube ( with bribery promised upon delivery) , and ive posted on multiple message boards where netwinner was a topic …
Ive noticed on NWC things have quieted down ,i think they are simply deleting negative posts and threads before anyone sees them
Im still the only person who has posted on the consumerist forum , i would love to get a few more stories on there before i submit it as a “tip” for them to look into .
http://consumerist.proboards88.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=warning&thread=1360&page=1
Anyone ??

Rich May 17, 2008 at 12:21 pm

I hear from a very reliable source (i.e. a friend who is not yet banned from NW Central), that Mike was asked several days ago how NW can offer the million dollar jackpot when they can’t even pay the $25 e-count redemptions they owe. Mike said he would try and find an answer from HQ, but still hasn’t responded. He doesn’t even know if the jackpot is insured, which I would think by law any jackpot of that size would have to be insured. Given that they are going against their contract in not paying members for outstanding redemptions, how can the jackpot be anything but additional false advertising and fraud on the part of Netwinner?

Aaron May 17, 2008 at 12:25 pm

Found GPTboycot last night searching for NW scam threads and it was at 5 complaints makinging it on the watch list. Added mine plus few others here should now make it on the boycot list.

anonymous1 May 17, 2008 at 12:52 pm

i think it is hilarious what is going on over there. the sanctuary is nothing more than brown nosers(curt) and druged up delusionoids(mods, except those that are former mods that have crossed over to the good side). and lets not forget mike, who has less answers than sean connery and burt reynolds combined on celebrity jeopardy.

thecommittee May 17, 2008 at 1:13 pm

Carlton- Just to offer some advice, you may want to be hesitant to pass on information that Netwinner puts out, especially about the alleged 40% of their memberbase being cheaters. If a statistic like that cannot be backed up with some sort of evidence then think of it as propaganda. If you’ve read some of their press releases, you’ll notice how they habitually inflate, embellish and distort the truth to suit their needs.
If they claim to have paid over a million dollars to members since inceptoin, then they easily could’ve afforded to hire a professional scriptwriter or programmer to circumvent bots. They could’ve limited membership to one account per household. There were numerous security measures they could’ve adapted. It was their own ineptness that caused the collapse. Unfortunately, those at the bottom are the ones who lose.
One last comment; Since they’re incapable of managing a successful business they should voluntary close and stop embarrassing themselves and everyone associated with them.

indivisible (with liberty and justice) May 17, 2008 at 1:27 pm

I have now supplied my complaint to the gptboycott site as well. I did count some 8 to 10 partner sites of netwinner that signed up there stating they would boycott any sites that make it to the actual boycott list. Lets hope they all comply!!! The more complaints they receive the more likely this will happen. Keep it up everyone!!!!!

bruce May 17, 2008 at 2:04 pm

thecommittee
trust me i am withholding any info from the members here. i would freely give all info. the part i am withholding is info about another pathway that the cheated members could take. i do not want to devulge this info until i am certain that there would be some form of investigation done were enough people to contact these people. seeing that i can not contact them until monday then if i was to devulge the info the officers/owners of netwinner may turn tail and hide. but trust me if this turns out as a form of action then it would be the best action for each member to take and we could stop contacting all the rest of the agencies and focus on this one. if you would like any further info please contact becky or myself and i would gladly inform you of my intensions.
this offer is only for those that i am sure are on the side of right and i will not respond to any other email or requests at this point.

linda May 17, 2008 at 2:50 pm

well i don’t have screen shots, i took copies of
my before account, like a month ago, cause i was worried,
( been in ptr and ptc world a lot of years )
and copies of my account after the changes.
also many copies of forum statements.

linda May 17, 2008 at 3:03 pm

ok did boycott and consumerist!
i keep adding to my complaint at ifc, more links to look for
and i will add to it everyday till they do something!

knothead May 17, 2008 at 3:11 pm

bruce,
that thing about the same raffle winners repeated was said to be a typo by shelly when she posted winners when she was tired and that has been changed in winners list
also, i thought that i had heard them boast of about 200,000 members, not 20,000, although mike refuses to discuss actual numbers for some reason
also, you should have pointed out that although they claim to have 40% cheaters they have not banned any of them from playing or removed them from members list so they can continue to pad their numbers for the purpose of higher ad revenues
i have heard of a few of people that they tried to cancel their accounts with netwinner and that they could not do it and had written to nw to get them to do it but it has not happened probably for the same reason as above
i think all of the forum comments from mike where he continually promised that we would get paid if we just had patience and faith in them would be relevant too, i got a late start saving stuff from forum but i hope some of you have screen shots of stuff like that as well as some of his rude and childish behavior (toward members with valid questions) as a paid employee/representative of nw
i sure wish i had copied all of that ‘changes’ thread before they conveniently lost it when they all of a sudden decided in the middle of the night that they needed to ‘reorganize and improve’ the forum, that was pure gold and i think it was up to about 50 pages or more when they snuffed it
i have a thread where several people posted about getting those ‘bribe’ phone calls that mike closed real quick saying ‘i do not see how this thread will help’
i have a thread where brina said ‘yay, It’s a wonderful day in netwinner land, the sun is shining, flowers are blooming and it seems redemptions have been sent’ exactly a week before they announced that none of us would be paid
i have a thread where mike said on april 20 ‘The NW staff is now working on two tasks. One, working to resolve fulfillment as a player support issue (catch up with prizes). Two, Netwinner is drafting more formal company answers for us to use both on the forum and in support mail.’ and in that same thread hardtimer said ‘Even though, it may seem far off or endless right now. I do and will stand behind Netwinner and I do know they will payout prizes due. I have no doubts of this.’
i have a thread where mike said on march 28 ‘I am afraid the wait is longer than that right now. They are currently sending out Ecount requests from Nov. We are working on getting caught up.’
i saved a few single comments like when mike said on april 14 ‘I am part of a team that is the most talented pool of professionals I have ever seen. We have a goal to build a website and business like no other that has ever existed based on delivery of video ads via the web. My part is to stand on the front line (with many volunteer players) and take the heat from angery players. I gladly do it for the team. We are good and honest. We try our best. As you know, we are not perfect. I am not saying I am smart, but you ever know any smart people? Notice how they are not always the easiest to get along with? Well, try working with a few dozen, lol.
Last edited on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 04:28 pm by mjp65′
i have a thread where on april 18 mike said ‘I am under contract and cannot share company information. Since we are still in our growth phase this changes quickly. I can say we are well in to the hundreds of thousands of members.’
i have a thread where (in response to someone asking why some had all of a sudden started getting paid and others were not) on may 7 mike said ‘It is hard to explain it all. We know how frustrating and confusing it is, but bare with us. All players will see movement of this mess and it will be cleaned up. I have no good answer, but I can say it will all be resolved.’
and on may 8 mike said in same thread ‘Since we have such a mess with the prize backlog things are not as predictable. Normally, we would just have large batches at regular intervals. That is not the case at the moment because there is great pressure from within and elsewhere to get everything done ASAP. It is impossible to explain why things are as they are to anybody who can not see the whole picture. I always do my best to give the most accurate answer I can.’
i have a thread where mike said on may 7 ‘Some players have asked why I have been so quiet. There are a few truths at work. Things got to a point where words mattered less, actions were needed. Action takes a littler longer to create than a post about the action. You may not have seen me say the fulfillment mess is getting cleaned up but it is. Some players blame me for things. Some say I am not to blame for anything. Neither is true. Both Netwinner’s mistakes and successes are shared collectively by the entire organization. That is just the way it is here and it is a good way to run things.
We have learned from our mistakes. We are cleaning up our messes. You will soon see big changes to support, much better communication to players, and new, interesting changes and additions to the games.
I just thought for this one time, I would say less about it and show you more as we do it.
I am here for the player the same as I always have been.
Last edited on Wed May 7th, 2008 08:57 pm by mjp65′
i have a thread where hardtimer said on march 20 ‘Redemptions are up to November 15th at this time.’
that is just a small part of what i have saved but sadly i did not get started on it until they had already deleted thousands of posts from hardtimer and mike (2565 total posts deleted just from those 2 when i did my count a few nights ago)
i hope somebody here was saving stuff like this before i got started on it and got some of the really good stuff

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 17, 2008 at 4:33 pm

“My part is to stand on the front line (with many volunteer players) and take the heat from angery players. ”
Mike actually said that? LOL I guess he should be fired for not doing being able to do his job. He does not take the heat, he just deletes it. What an ass!
All of the other threads you mention are fantastically delicious too. Great that you saved them =)
I’m working on the new forum for a little bit right now. When I get it finished, there will be sections for posting these types of threads so everyone can see them. It’d be great if you’d add those once everything is ready, sometime next week. :)

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 4:45 pm

Thanks!
Clickety Click

jazzyshell May 17, 2008 at 4:47 pm

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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 05:39 pm
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From what I am told it is a glitch they are aware of and are working to get corrected.
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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 05:40 pm
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how convenient…..a glitch that keeps you from cashing out if you win

knothead May 17, 2008 at 5:05 pm

lol, how long has banko been on the site now? almost a year? we have been reporting that glitch since day one and their computer geniuses still have not been able to fix it? mike may want to rething that post about being surrounded by very smart people at netwinner offices

knothead May 17, 2008 at 5:08 pm

oops, that should be rethink, not rething
i guess i have been at nwc too long huh? they’re rubbing off on me

Jack May 17, 2008 at 5:17 pm

I just had to share this post from netwinner central . It was from a couple of days ago . rexgame wrote :
“There is one thing I do find humorous in all this. You have to play a game of chance, to win the right to enter a game of chance.
AND
You can actually enter to win more points, that you can then use to, well, enter to win points.”
How classic is that ? It sounds like a game of three card monte .

Rich May 17, 2008 at 5:32 pm

Maybe I should rethink my comment about lemonade stands by children being a better business model. Setting up a “game”, getting rich off advertisers, and having the users perpetually win points only to win more points in a never-ending cycle is pretty genius, if people just keep winning points in the raffles Netwinner never has to pay them. And whoever said criminals were all dumb.
(please note the sarcasm in the above paragraph)

notbobt May 17, 2008 at 5:37 pm

And the choir, glee club, dolts, oafs and ass-suckers remain doing their humble best to waste their time. And these people are allowed to vote! Such a scary society we are clamoring in together!

Jack May 17, 2008 at 6:08 pm

New pearls of wisdom from Mike ( mjp65 )on the forum:
“On a human level, one thing the company did was wrong in my opinion. I have said that before. Yet, I do stand by the company because the other option was to just close the doors and never tell the players anything. There was no fraud or criminal actions committed by the company and that is why there are no charges or law suits despite the dozen who promised this. If any arrise, we will defeat them, because we have not violated the law.
We are going to face our mistakes and try to make up for them. We are not going to take the easy road and hide and run. Our past bad deeds does say something about us, but so does our current efforts. Just as I continually give players second chances, I am hoping the players give us the same.”
“If you had a win movie and it was on the winners page it was a real win and you will get paid. If it is just a malfunction that made it seem to you like the game won, it was an error and we can now award wins for game errors. Email deatials and screen shot to support@netwinner.com.”

knothead May 17, 2008 at 6:37 pm

notsomebody notgrumpy notbecause notthey’re notnot notgetting notany notnew notreferrals notlately

bruce May 17, 2008 at 6:47 pm

yes knothead i also have seen them say that they have over 150,000 members but i was going on the last amount that was stated by netwinner and that amount was 20,000 drastic drop. i also would like to point out that in the letter from the president he states that they pay out 50,000 every month yet if you all can think back to when you first logged in you would remember that the site had a figure of over 100,000 each month. i figured out a long long time ago that what is said on netwinner can not be believed. as for netwinner changing data to make them look better i guess they could do that of course i can not ponder as to why they would say that 40% have cheated if in the long run they would have to prove it not to mention having that % of your members just shows that the owners of the site did not have any care about who was playing or how many accounts they had because each account just meant that was more money they got from their sponsors. of course this would not help netwinner to much with all the false info all it would take would be for one of their sponsors to get a hold of some of the presidents letter that was sent out to everyone and that letter along would show that netwinner was more than likely in violation of some of the contracts.

kiarasmamaw May 17, 2008 at 6:57 pm

Mikes post about giving the players second chances really gets me. I guess post like that from him bother me the most. He gives the players a second chance. Whoopty dang do. I honestly don’t see how he sleeps at night. I mean it’s like he thinks we should all just say “They stole are money..no biggie. I’ll stay and let them do it again. If it makes you happy Mike, I’ll let them do it a thousand times Just please oh please give me a second chance”

knothead May 17, 2008 at 7:02 pm

about the 100,000 point raffle, in the prize page raffle winners list there are daily winners listed for the 100,000 pts up through april 12, after that there is one listed for april 27 and that is all
they have winners listed for some of the other prizes on april 27 and may 7
if winners are posted 24 to 49 hours after drawing as stated does that mean nobody is entering the raffles for the 100,000 pts? maybe even the sunshine club realizes that points are useless now

knothead May 17, 2008 at 7:05 pm

geez, sorry for all the typos
that should be winners listed for some of the other prizes on april 26 and may 7
and
winners are posted 24 to 48 hours after the drawing

kiarasmamaw May 17, 2008 at 7:26 pm

Wonder why more arn’t posting on ripoff and boycott. If just the ones chatting here with us did it there would be a lot. I can’t believe there isn’t enough on boycott to take them from watch to boycott. We gotta act on this to get anything done. I have no proof of all of what they owe me so I’m crap out of luck. I am still doing this because of all the others who got screwed.

BBK May 17, 2008 at 7:27 pm

YAY my friend came thru and posted a blurb on her blog :)
http://websitestoavoid.blogspot.com/

Jack May 17, 2008 at 8:05 pm

I just noticed this on the front page of the netwinner forum , for the general question and comments section.
General Questions and Comments
Do you have a question about Netwinner? Are you a Netwinner fan? Not sure how the forum/Netwinner Central works? We can help you here. *Beware of trolls*
Now people who stand up for themselves are called trolls . How classic . Mike has sunk to new lows .

thecommittee May 17, 2008 at 8:28 pm

Being smart in a devious way does not constitute wisdom and getting away with fraud does not constitute innocence.
The one thing we can take with us as we traipse through the mine fields of the internet is that our combined efforts, even if instant justice wasn’t achieved, has made a hugely significant impact on their reputation. Netwinner has become a joke, a scam, a has-been.
They’re just one more example of why tighter regulatory controls are direly needed.
Where once they may have gained overnight popularity, the words “Netwinner” and “Partner Sites” now bring a sneer to the lips.

Not hard to guess who I am May 17, 2008 at 8:30 pm

I posted at Ripoff and boycott..and I will continue posting to wherever I can find a spot to post.Bruce? YOU are my alterego!! ;) and it just happens that my Hubbys name is Bruce Too!!.
I have written to Becky with an offer of all of the emails that I have from NW..including several that categorically Promised me payment in full by Thursday and YES it is Saturday and I got squat…Zero Nothing..
I will be spending alot of time on Monday filing complaints.
Way to Go Netscammer.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 17, 2008 at 9:09 pm

Posted by: Jack
Date: May 17, 2008 6:08 PM
New pearls of wisdom from Mike ( mjp65 )on the forum:
“On a human level, one thing the company did was wrong in my opinion. ”
Ya think? What an idiot.
“I have said that before. Yet, I do stand by the company because the other option was to just close the doors and never tell the players anything.”
Opinion> Nah, you didn’t pay what you owe. That’s a fact.
“There was no fraud or criminal actions committed by the company and that is why there are no charges or law suits despite the dozen who promised this. ”
These things take time. Professionals do their research and follow a planned course of action. Unlike some people (yes Mike, I mean you ofcourse) who just continue to confuse their asses with their mouths.
“If any arrise, we will defeat them, because we have not violated the law.”
Sure ya did violate the law. The fraud law. Ever heard of that? Or were you too busy trying to pull de feets out of your mouth after six months of promises to pay?”
“We are going to face our mistakes and try to make up for them. We are not going to take the easy road and hide and run.”
Not if we can help it. You have no idea how much of a handful we have of that shirt collar of yours do you?
“Our past bad deeds does say something about us, but so does our current efforts.”
What is says is same sh*t, different day.
“Just as I continually give players second chances, I am hoping the players give us the same.”
You will be welcome to come to the new forum as a member for a factual debate and to apologize to everyone you lied to. A whole new ballgame for you. If you don’t have the balls, we completely understand.
*Please read the rules before joining.
“If you had a win movie and it was on the winners page it was a real win and you will get paid. If it is just a malfunction that made it seem to you like the game won, it was an error and we can now award wins for game errors. Email deatials and screen shot to support@netwinner.com.”
Gonna honor that $1000 that someone just won then? No, ofcourse not. It’s a cheap ploy to get your activity numbers up again. Do you really think players are going to fall for that? Spin in the hopes of errors? Or is that just another typo meant to confuse, Mr. Fake Journalist? Do tell. Either way we know the answer’s bullsh*t.
Mike never posts anything worth reading, does he? Thanks for laughs though Mike.

penny May 17, 2008 at 9:09 pm

I’ve been reading all the posts for several days and I have now posted at Ripooff Reports, ic3, GPT Boycott, and have gotten my form from Attorney General of North Carolina and will be mailing it next week. I also posted at MyCoupons, where many members also played at NW, and let them know of all the sites where they can post their grievances.
Without all your posts and the information you all have given, I probably would not have pursued getting my $100 ecount card. Thank you all. Let’s get ‘em!

ann May 17, 2008 at 9:09 pm

I have filled complaints out at the sites mentioned above too. I used another name so netloser won’t know me. LOL
I did check the BBB site and they only list 20 complaints in the last 36 months. I sure hope that changes soon and shows hundreds.
A friend suggested snopes so I emailed them. Don’t know if they will print anything but couldn’t hurt to let them know about netloser.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 17, 2008 at 9:13 pm

Last I’d saw through an internet resource, Netwinner’s membership was at 269,000 members. That’s all I can say about that right now.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 17, 2008 at 9:15 pm

The above post should’ve read as “Opinion?”
*wishes an edit option were available here but understands why there is not.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 17, 2008 at 9:19 pm

” Posted by: BBK
Date: May 17, 2008 7:27 PM
YAY my friend came thru and posted a blurb on her blog :)
http://websitestoavoid.blogspot.com/

Yay!

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 17, 2008 at 9:20 pm

“Mike has sunk to new lows .”
Nah. They’re the same old lows.

kiarasmamaw May 17, 2008 at 9:22 pm

Welcome Penny. Glad to have you with us. Also Ann..what is the URL for snopes. I’m doing all the sites I can. I myself do use my netwinner username. They can’t hurt me worse than they already have since I have no proof they owe me. I’m already banned from the forum. Don’t want to play their game.

ann May 17, 2008 at 9:25 pm

hi kiarasmamaw
I just went to snopes.com and then found contact us and did that. I have copies of everytime I cash out at netloser and still have emails from those times with the confirmation codes. Doubt if it will do any good but I will hold onto that and some other things I copied and saved too. Becky and the others here have done a superb job of letting us talk this out and where to file complaints.

kiarasmamaw May 17, 2008 at 9:25 pm

Oh I noticed something about the forums also. I think another sneaky tactic. Once we are banned and try logging in to NWC. It will show us as logged in. Just won’t actually let us get to the forum. So I stopped doing it. Got to thinking doing that probably shows us as logged in to other players who in turn could say they have seen us on and try to make us out as liars.

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 9:35 pm

Anybody have any clue what mike is talking about???
Posted on CR:
“Mike’s mother is a whore.”
I am locking this thread. There is no debate needed.
Last edited on Sat May 17th, 2008 08:18 pm by mjp65
I think he’s seeing things…..lol

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 17, 2008 at 9:35 pm

No doubt you’re right mamaw. Something else I thought of when reading your post…
I’m sure they show their forum statistics to advertisers as well since they sell ad time their. Pretty deceptive tactic to pump up their numbers as usual.

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 9:37 pm

Mike changed the name of their “feel good” place to “Serenity Now (safe house). Sounds like an addiction recovery center to me LMAO!

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 9:44 pm

Re: The “dead mother” post. I really think he MADE THAT UP to get sympathy for NW. I mean, why make a post like that and then immediately lock the topic. Please…LOL! It’s like running in a room and yelling nana nana boo boo! and running back out..for heaven’s sake. I think perhaps he was jealous because cuff pappy was getting all the attention for his grandma’s “phone call”.

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 9:48 pm

Unless of course there actually is a comment and I missed it…did I miss it? Did someone really say that??

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 9:50 pm

It was posted here… you have to read back a bit.. but yea.. it was
Posted by: Rich
Date: May 17, 2008 12:54 PM
Q: What’s the difference between Mike and a mallard with a cold?
A: One’s a sick duck, I don’t remember the rest, but Mike’s mother is a whore.
Bad celebrity jeopardy joke, Becky feel free to remove to keep this site PG-rated if you wish, but I had to do it. lol

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 17, 2008 at 9:50 pm

” Posted by: Anonymous
Date: May 17, 2008 9:37 PM
Mike changed the name of their “feel good” place to “Serenity Now (safe house). Sounds like an addiction recovery center to me LMAO!

It’s actually a perfect name but I doubt Mike realizes what it really means and where it came from in popular culture. George Costanza’s loudmouthed father on Seinfeld tried yelling this phrase uselessly whenever he was met with a problem instead of modifying his own blowhard behavior.
Yeah, that’s about right for Mike.

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 9:51 pm

Ahh. ok gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up. Apologies to Mike, then. I did not read that far up. Guess I should start, huh?
TBH, I thought Becky would have deleted that one. It’s very rude.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 17, 2008 at 9:51 pm

” Posted by: Anonymous
Date: May 17, 2008 9:37 PM
Mike changed the name of their “feel good” place to “Serenity Now (safe house). Sounds like an addiction recovery center to me LMAO!

It’s actually a perfect name but I doubt Mike realizes what it really means and where it came from in popular culture. George Costanza’s loudmouthed father on Seinfeld tried yelling this phrase uselessly whenever he was met with a problem instead of modifying his own blowhard behavior.
Yeah, that’s about right for Mike.

kiarasmamaw May 17, 2008 at 9:51 pm

Does the CR mean compare rewards? Is he trying to say that was posted here?

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 9:55 pm

I also noticed he’s picking and choosing posts from here and putting them in the same thread, and immediately locking it again. Kinda childish, if you ask me.

thecommittee May 17, 2008 at 9:55 pm

Serenity Now is the name of their new pad…I mean, clubhouse?
‘scuse me a minute….
Insert hysterical smileyface here.

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 9:56 pm

Yes, CR means Compare Rewards.

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 9:56 pm

I also noticed he’s picking and choosing posts from here and putting them in the same thread, and immediately locking it again. Kinda childish, if you ask me.

BBK May 17, 2008 at 9:57 pm

Rich i hope im reading that comment wrong or taking it the wrong way , comments like that make us look as bad as them , i hope you can explain what you meant or maybe delete it , its in poor taste .

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 9:57 pm

Yep, serenity now. Doesn’t it make you feel like getting over some kind of addiction or something? Like perhaps your NW addiction? LMBO!

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 9:58 pm

TBH, I thought Mike was making it up. I really couldn’t believe someone here could say something like that. Pretty bad imo.

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 10:01 pm

BBK posted:
“…comments like that make us look as bad as them , i hope you can explain what you meant or maybe delete it , its in poor taste.”
Couldn’t agree more. Could we please try to stick to the issues instead of attacking the individual?

John D May 17, 2008 at 10:04 pm

For those of you that were banned and those that think Mike is just a neat guy who apparently has to live with grand ma, you can always try mjp65aa@hotmail.com.

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 10:08 pm

Man.. Im not sure what site is worse.. it just does not stop with the bashing of individuals.. Keep to the main point.. the Netwinner Company.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 17, 2008 at 10:11 pm

Mike’s the employed mouthpiece of Netwinner.
He can also be reached here: mike.paluch@netwinner.com

kiarasmamaw May 17, 2008 at 10:19 pm

We need to remember to be nicer than they are. Let’s not resort to their tactics. One thing we can do that was mentioned in an earlier post. Just don’t let this go away. We can always try warning people about this site. We can do it with truth. We don’t need to lie at all because the truth is worse than any lie we could make up.

FormerBANKOAddict May 17, 2008 at 10:22 pm

I have a question about the approach being taken by Becky and others on this site. I see this guy “Arion” being mentioned alot and people say to e-mail him and call him; I also see that Becky posted info about his past association w/ CameraPhonePorn [probably to damage his reputation].
Do you know how a company runs? Do you think the CTO makes financial and business decisions; the T in CTO stands for TECHNICAL? If you want to blast the CTO about BANKO bugs and things like that then go ahead but why are you advocating this kind of behavior when odds are this decision was probably out of his hands and out of the hands of Chad and Anthony too?
Do you think people like them should quit their job and just sit at home playing on line games to pay the bills like you guys do?
I lost money too but I do not think that gives me the right to post the phone numbers and personal info of people all of the internet and ask others to call and harass people.
More likely than not NetWinner is a job to these people not their life like it seems to be for some of you guys. Last time I checked everyone had the right to try and earn a living.
If you really want to get back and NetWinner and their employees then file your complaints like I did AND MOVE ON.

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 10:23 pm

Very well said, i agree!

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 17, 2008 at 10:24 pm

An I missing something?
Where is the post that lied about something?

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 17, 2008 at 10:32 pm

First off, Arion is Mike’s boss. If people don’t get results speaking to Mike or they’ve been mistreated by him, it’s perfectly logical to contact his direct supervisor, Arion through the avenues that have already been provided here.
Arion is part owner of the company.
Arion owns AdStreams and was listed as the owner on NetSol before the recent move to hide the identities of who owns what by shifting to secondary registrar use. Adstreams provides the ads on all Netwinner and partner site game pages.
“Do you think people like them should quit their job and just sit at home playing on line games to pay the bills like you guys do?”
Dear Troll,
Please read the three threads on this issue for answers to your questions. This is as courteous an answer as you will get to that barb.
“I lost money too but I do not think that gives me the right to post the phone numbers and personal info of people all of the internet and ask others to call and harass people.
More likely than not NetWinner is a job to these people not their life like it seems to be for some of you guys. Last time I checked everyone had the right to try and earn a living.
If you really want to get back and NetWinner and their employees then file your complaints like I did AND MOVE ON. ”
See above.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Thanks for stopping by.
Oh and BECKY, you may want to run an ip check on that poster (anonymous doesn’t hid your identity the way you think it would. Oops.) Very likely another staff or mod with nothing better to do than attack people who’ve already been defrauded.
Thanks for stopping by.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 17, 2008 at 10:34 pm

” Posted by: Anonymous
Date: May 17, 2008 10:23 PM
Very well said, i agree!

It’s not hard to agree with yourself as anonymous posting makes that possible. You know that and are hoping to take advantage of it. However, see the above post to find out why that won’t work out for you quite the way you’re hoping.
Thanks for stopping by…again…one minute after your previous post.

FormerBANKOAddict May 17, 2008 at 10:35 pm

By the way…I hope you all know you are being used by becky. Look at the number of post on this site for anything that is not NetWinner related.
The last 5 non netwinner threads have 0,2,0,0 and 1 post as of 10:32 CST Sat May 17; how many combined post do the NetWinner threads have?
I think we can all see that it benefits Becky to keep this going as long as she possibly can.
I’m done with NetWinner & CompareRewards for good. No NetWinner = so what; I will just spend more time doing other, more fun things and I hope you guys do the same.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 17, 2008 at 10:36 pm


An I missing something?
Where is the post that lied about something?

This post was written to mamaw, not the troll.

kiarasmamaw May 17, 2008 at 10:36 pm

Don’t you all see what’s happening. People are being sent here to post now. Mike has always told us to do that on sites that were downing Netwinner. We used to get points if we did. Remember?? And the hotmail addy. I wouldn’t use. Mike or someone might be (Notice I said Might) be wanting us to send harrasing emails. Like someone said aboove. Lets do what we were doing in the first place.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 17, 2008 at 10:39 pm

That’s right mamaw :)
I’ve also emailed Becky just now about the trolls posts.

Jack May 17, 2008 at 10:40 pm

Actually , despite what FormerBANKOAddict stated , Arion Hardison is perfectly OK to contact . If you do a whois on netwinner.com , Arion Hardison is listed as both the administrative and technical contact at netwinner as the following shows :
Please note: the registrant of the domain name is specified
in the “registrant” field. In most cases, GoDaddy.com, Inc.
is not the registrant of domain names listed in this database.
Registrant:
NetWinner, LLC
105 E. Morehead St.
Charlotte, North Carolina 28202
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: NETWINNER.COM
Created on: 21-Apr-03
Expires on: 21-Apr-09
Last Updated on: 04-Aug-06
Administrative Contact:
Hardison, Arion domains@netwinner.com
NetWinner, LLC
105 E. Morehead St.
Charlotte, North Carolina 28202
United States
7046540726 Fax –
Technical Contact:
Hardison, Arion domains@netwinner.com
NetWinner, LLC
105 E. Morehead St.
Charlotte, North Carolina 28202
United States
7046540726 Fax –
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.CARO.NET
NS2.CARO.NET

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 10:43 pm

Seems the number of troll posts have definately increased. Makes ya go hmm…

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 10:43 pm

Dear, You’reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay
You are either a liar or dont know what you are taking about. I just looked up AdStrems and its not priviate just to to godaddy
people like you keep doing things like this to make the situation look worse than it is. You just tried to make it seem as if all info was private now in an attempt for them to hide but I just pulled up this info in less than 5 seconds.
Please verify your info before posting. (see info below)
AdStreams, LLC
105 E. Morehead St.
Charlotte, North Carolina 28202
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: ADSTREAMS.COM
Created on: 05-Apr-02
Expires on: 05-Apr-09
Last Updated on: 25-Feb-08
Administrative Contact:
Hardison, Arion domains@adstreams.com
AdStreams, LLC
105 E. Morehead St.
Charlotte, North Carolina 28202
United States
7046540726
Technical Contact:
Hardison, Arion domains@adstreams.com
AdStreams, LLC
105 E. Morehead St.
Charlotte, North Carolina 28202
United States
7046540726
Domain servers in listed order:
NS43.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS44.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 17, 2008 at 10:44 pm

Bingo again Jack.

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 10:45 pm

” Posted by: Anonymous
Date: May 17, 2008 10:43 PM
Dear, You’reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay
You are either a liar or dont know what you are taking about. I just looked up AdStrems and its not priviate just to to godaddy
people like you keep doing things like this to make the situation look worse than it is. You just tried to make it seem as if all info was private now in an attempt for them to hide but I just pulled up this info in less than 5 seconds.
Please verify your info before posting. (see info below) ”
Dear Genius,
Go Daddy IS a secondary registrar, LOL. Please learn what that is before posting below.

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 10:46 pm

Thanks for letting Becky know about the influx of spam posts :)

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 10:46 pm

” Posted by: Anonymous
Date: May 17, 2008 10:43 PM
Dear, You’reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay
You are either a liar or dont know what you are taking about. I just looked up AdStrems and its not priviate just to to godaddy
people like you keep doing things like this to make the situation look worse than it is. You just tried to make it seem as if all info was private now in an attempt for them to hide but I just pulled up this info in less than 5 seconds.
Please verify your info before posting. (see info below) ”
Dear Genius,
Go Daddy IS a secondary registrar, LOL. Please learn what that is before posting below.
And the above post was made by Jack. Please read previous posts before posting below.

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 10:47 pm

LOL! Anonymous :) Very good!

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 17, 2008 at 10:49 pm

Keep replying to your own posts troll. You just continue to prove that you are one as no two people in such close proximity could be that uninformed.

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 10:49 pm

I think what’s happened is Mike has posted that thread about his mother, and where it came from. Now they all know where CR is and the ones who are still blind will start coming here spamming. I guess the only thing we can do is try to stay calm and not go down to their level.
I know it will be hard not to degrade into name-calling. But please try to remember what someone else said above. We are better. Let’s not let this whole thing be for nothing by getting into a backyard fight, ok guys?

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 10:52 pm

the “LOL Anonymous :) Very good! Comment was mine. I was speaking to the poster who pointed out that godaddy was a secondary registrar. It wasn’t twards the troll. Sorry for the confusion :)

FormerBANKOAddict May 17, 2008 at 10:52 pm

Are you calling me a troll? I didn’t even bash anyone? You people complain about not being able to post freely on NWC but you are treating me like this; isn’t that a bit ironic?

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 17, 2008 at 10:52 pm

” Posted by: Anonymous
Date: May 17, 2008 10:46 PM
Thanks for letting Becky know about the influx of spam posts :)

You’re welcome. :)
BBL :)

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 10:52 pm

I think we need to stop with the “anonymous” posts. It is getting confusing. LOL

Jack May 17, 2008 at 10:54 pm

More humor from Mike . He is now comparing netwinner to Ford Motor Company :
“As far as record go, we have them all, nothing is earased. We admit our mistakes. I know the solution was not pupular, but no record of prizes was removed or shredded.
I wish the reality was different. The ecoonomy created this more than any other thing did. You see what Ford is doing nowadays, right? Are there people in Ford’s parking lots yelling insults to auto workers, unsulting their dead mothers? Are people blaming autoworkers for what has happened? This is no different.”

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 10:55 pm

You’reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay
I dont understand why you continue to call people here trolls and post personal info of others.. when the main subject here is the Netwinner Company..
Why cant you file, help get the word out what they did and stop harrasing individuals from the company and the people here that only trying to voice there opinion?
I mean.. if it is true this Mike is a employee from his home.. how can that help the cause to get us to email him? Shouldnt we go to the source the owners of the company by filing reports as Becky has shown?

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 10:57 pm

You say “this Mike” like you don’t know who he is or what we are on about. C’mon.

FormerBANKOAddict May 17, 2008 at 10:58 pm

Jack, I know what Godaddy is; I was referring to the fact that someone said that the info was public and had been made private. That is not true.
I am sorry for bothering you guys and will not post anymore. This argument is so one sided that I do not believe this post or any of my previous post could possibly do anything but make the situation worse and for that I apologize.
Good Night and god bless

thecommittee May 17, 2008 at 10:59 pm

FormerBankoAddict, please don’t make the assumption that every person here speaks for everyone else. There is a common element, that of being used and lied to by Netwinner Administration and forum moderators. Many here would like to warn others and perhaps seek recompense as well as see that justice is served. Other than that we may not share the same maturity levels, social and political views, likes and dislikes. One person referred to you as a troll. It’s possible that others would’ve liked to engage you in conversation regarding your views on the subjects being discussed.
We do not have to worry about censurship here. We can choose who we respond to.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 17, 2008 at 11:00 pm

Check the last updated date on the go daddy record. That ought to help you understand what happened there. ;)

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 11:00 pm

Thank you for seeing the error of your ways, FormerBANKOAddict. Have a good evening, and God bless you also…:)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 17, 2008 at 11:01 pm

Ok, so much to do and so little time.
BBL all :)

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 11:02 pm

What does BBL mean anyway? I’ve seen it on your posts before and have meant to ask you..LOL

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 11:03 pm

NVM..figured it out. DUH me LOL

anon May 17, 2008 at 11:03 pm

BBL = Be Back Later

Jack May 17, 2008 at 11:04 pm

FormerBANKOAddict ,
What you just described is how it is at the Netwinner forum , one-sided . I agree that personal attacks have no business here on this site and people should stick to contacting the entities that Becky listed on the blog .
Everyone , please stick to the issue . Contact anyone you can and post wherever you can .Keep it clean though .

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 11:04 pm

LOL thanks everyone. Gawd, I feel dumb now..HA! :)

BBK May 17, 2008 at 11:08 pm

Former Banko addict , you said “Do you think people like them should quit their job and just sit at home playing on line games to pay the bills like you guys do?”
So your saying we all sit at home playing online games to play the bills ? some of us pay our bills just fine with a weekly paycheck , do i have a job ? no i dont , and i dont need one , i cant sit and spin all day or whatever i would like to do .. my hubby likes me here when he is home and that works for me .
Do i need netwinners money ? of course not but i dont think they should take my time for granted , i did what they ask , now i want them to uphold theyre end of the contract .
For you to come here proclaiming to be a banko addict , and to down others saying we depend on netwinner to pay our bills because we dont have jobs ?
You did the attacking , first on us , then you started on Becky , saying we are pawns to use to further her website .
Couldnt be further from the truth , we appreciate that Becky has shown us the TRUTH about netwinner , she spoke out when everyone else was afraid to , YES AFRAID TO , because netwinner didnt want anyone to band together , share notes and realize we were being scammed !
Quote ““Fraud and falsehood only dread examination. Truth invites it.” Samuel Jackson

kiarasmamaw May 17, 2008 at 11:09 pm

FormerBANKOAddict…Not being a smart alec, just want to make a point about your post. the fact could maybe, just possibly, that instead of Becky using us…You think there could be maybe the slightest possibility that the reason there are so many post on here about Netwinner…could maybe, possibly be because netwinner maybe somewhere along the way Netwinner screwed us. I really in my mind can’t see how Becky could be using us, unless…. she told Netwinner to screw us so we could post on her forum. I just don’t believe that’s the case.

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 11:09 pm

It’s easy to misdirect our anger at the first person that comes in with a different view than ours. We are still enraged at what was done. However if everyone tries to remember some people have only been told what they read on NWC so of course they will think we are mean, evil trolls. Let’s try to show them who we really are. Honest, hard working people who were scammed out of something we earned ..well..honestly. And if we start slinging hateful things at each other, it only confirms the view they had of us when they first entered CR.
Sorry. I felt I had to say that before things get worse. Because I have no doubt that there will be more people coming in here now that Mike has posted all those comment over at NWC. So everyone just please be prepared for it.
Ok, I’m off my soap box now…LOL.

Rich May 17, 2008 at 11:11 pm

Unlike Mike, I can admit when I’m wrong. I did post that quote, it was from Saturday Night Live on a skit of celebrity Jeopardy and I just inserted Mike’s name as a joke, albeit in bad taste. Whatever my reasons, I should not have resorted to name calling, even in jest, as that is off topic and as childish as their tactics, so I do apologize.

thecommittee May 17, 2008 at 11:11 pm

FormerBankoAddict-
Becky didn’t need us before and she doesn’t need us now. She’s been operating this site successfully for 7 years. Why would she suddenly depend on our traffic when she refused to become a guaranteed paid Partner with Netwinner when they made the offer?

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 11:13 pm

Becky has been gracious enough to allow us to continue our debate and even helped us gather information about where to file complaints, etc. It feels nice to have somewhere that we can go and not have to worry about what we say and whether we will be banned because we don’t agree. So I guess you could say we used Becky, not the other way around…LOL!
I think it’s the least we can do to further her website’s publicity in consideration for what she has done for us.

FormerBANKOAddict May 17, 2008 at 11:14 pm

Dear BBK,
““Fraud and falsehood only dread examination. Truth invites it.” Samuel Jackson that is a Great Quote;
I am sorry you interpreted my comments that way because its not how I meant it. If thats how it sounded to others then Im sorry for that too because I did not mean to insult the users of this site.
Thank you for intelligently responding and not just avoiding the issue by calling me a troll, LOL
I am not defending NetWinner; I just think that the focus on its employees as opposed to the issue was perpetuated by Becky for her own personal gain; she did after all first post that info and deviate from the issue at hand. If we focus on NetWinner as a company then we could have made progress but instead we focused on Arion, Chad, Matt, Steve and so on.

kiarasmamaw May 17, 2008 at 11:17 pm

I’m prepared. I think Becky will be also. I think they are hoping that Becky will resort to banning. She won’t. She may delet post if there is too much profanity. Other than that she gives room. Becky is more than fair. That’s why I posted what I did above. I didn’t like Becky being accused of using us.

thecommittee May 17, 2008 at 11:25 pm

I seem to recall the very first review about NW that sparked so much attention. Becky gave them a great review and then members started coming forward about questionable practices. That’s when she began to dig deeper and eventually uncovered some pretty damning backgrounds.
FBA- Just a suggestion but it might do you good to research Becky’s part in this before you make unfounded accusations.

knothead May 17, 2008 at 11:31 pm

that thing about mike’s mother was from an old saturday night live skit, a celebrity jeopardy episode, it was sean connery talking to and about alex trebek and his mother, whoever posted that just substituted mike’s name for alex trebek’s
it was funny on saturday night live where everyone knew it was a joke, i love to laugh and i have a rather twisted sense of humor but i thought it was very inappropriate and in poor taste to post it here with mike’s name
this is serious stuff here

knothead May 17, 2008 at 11:38 pm

wow, when i posted that 9 other comments came up ahead of it when i refreshed, i didn’t see where rich explained it and apologized before i made my post

Anonymous May 17, 2008 at 11:39 pm

Yea that happened to me a few posts up. Makes whatever you’re saying look silly..LOL.

kiarasmamaw May 17, 2008 at 11:43 pm

One good thing. This is a little different than most hate love relationships with a program. We post how we feel and so do they. But in this one unless lies are told it doesn’t matter. We are upset that they cheated us. Some seem to be ok with that. But in an honest Q and A session even the lovers would have to admit to being shafted. They couldn’t lie. There is too much proof to the fact. So it doesn’t really bother me anymore that there are some still worshiping Netwinner. If they don’t care what was done to them so be it. Just don’t dog us that do.

Rich May 17, 2008 at 11:44 pm

No problem knothead, I should have known better than to post a SNL reference, even if I hadn’t used Mike’s name in it they probably would have misquoted me so you’re right, it was inappropriate for here. I shall stick to the issue at hand now, which is briging down the “Evil Empire” of Netwinner through legal and civil means, not childish namecalling.

BBK May 17, 2008 at 11:53 pm

FBA , i think the reason we focus some of our anger on the Mods at NWC is they are the only ones we “know” , these owners are faceless entities to us .
Another part of it is ( at least for me) is that they lied to us , assured us we would get paid , and for me the banning of members , deleting threads & posts, made them seem just as guilty as netwinner themselves , they were and are covering NW’s butt and continue to do so .
There is a reason beyond loyalty , no person would take the stress of dealing with the angry players for the honor of being a mod , just aint happening , the mods are getting theres , thats just how netwinner operates .
Do i feel sorry for the mods ? sometimes but they threw their chips in with netwinner so they have to face the fire , if they were to walk away we would probably see them different but at this point, they had to realize that when it hit the fan , they chose to stay and take whatever repercussions came with that .

kiarasmamaw May 17, 2008 at 11:59 pm

I agree about the mods. I hope they are getting paid. I really do. Otherwise it would be worse. It actually hurt me that not one of them came to our defense. Not one. There were some I really respected. One in particular. It still hurts that she didn’t defend us at all because she constantly said (I know they will pay).

thecommittee May 18, 2008 at 12:05 am

We need to remember that the people neck-deep in running the Netwinner scam have mothers, fathers, husbands, wives, children, sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles and friends. Lots of people could take offense to the personal mud-slinging even if they agree with us on many other topics.
However, whatever someone’s motivation for defending the site, they should understand that our trust was betrayed and our patience was tested to the limit and when they pushed us as far as they could, they turned around and insulted us further by wiping out their debtload and pretending it was okay. They revictimized the victims. That’s why they deserve to be investigated for potential criminal violations. Not only to prevent them from capitalizing further from fraudulent activities but for penalization purposes and to save others from becoming their next victims.

kiarasmamaw May 18, 2008 at 12:21 am

You got it thecommittee. That’s the part thats so hard to take. We are considered the bad guys. To me it’s like they kicked a man while he was down. I don’t understand for the life of me why they can’t see that. We were basically banned for disagreeing. They can use any excuse they want, but we were banned for diseagreeing.

jetskimax May 18, 2008 at 1:53 am

Discussion of the current events at Netwinner can be found at literally hundreds of webites on the internet from individual blogs to larger commercial sites like Gather.com. A number of them have links back to this site, Compare Rewards, for additional information on who to contact and how to proceed regarding filing a complaint.
Here is my question for the more prolific posters here. What would your first impression be of the veracity of the information here after reading 100′s of posts that have nothing to do with filing a claim but instead are personal attacks on people you don’t even know?
This is not IM, this is not a chat room. Compare Rewards has an excellent reputation for serving as a consumer advocate and clearing house for information. What you post here will be reviewed by other consumers, potential members and yes, even persons operating in a formal capacity of investigating the claims against Netwinner Corporate.
Are your posts here reflecting best that which you want to say? Are your comments informative, detailed and germaine to the topic at hand? Will your comments here reflect well on the common goal of the series of threads? Have you lost sight of what you are trying to accomplish?
80% of the posts in this thread alone have nothing to do with the formal process of filing a complaint against an internet based company.
Think about it.

thecommittee May 18, 2008 at 2:12 am

Prosecutors don’t generally waste their valuable time reading countless blogs or forum posts. As was mentioned earlier, they’ll presumably be more concerned with the accounting, the books, the money trail. Since almost everything posted in forums, PMs and emails can be tampered with, screenshots will likely be irrelevant in the courtroom. Their only purpose might be to show interested parties a pattern of deception.
This is what happens when you not only try to bully and manipulate people but then refuse to pay them the money they rightfully earned. You should be lecturing them, O Masked One, about repercussions, instead of us about our right to converse.

knothead May 18, 2008 at 4:43 am

no, this is not an IM or a chat room but it is a place where becky allows us to say what we think and feel (within reason) without repercussions, a lot of us are still grieving over what happened at netwinner and if we choose to deal with it differently than you that is our right
why does that bother you so much? if i don’t like a book i put it down and find another that interests me

jetskimax May 18, 2008 at 5:25 am

Knothead, it doesn’t bother me. I was only trying to gently point out that you may be inadvertantly preventing casual visitors to this site from finding the information and links they need. Not everyone will skim through 100′s of posts and may well give up before locating the resources they need to take action.
I have said this at NWC and I’ll say this here. I have only compassion for everyone that was caught up in this recent debacle. I just don’t always agree with the method of expression. I wish everyone here the best possible outcome and wish only we can keep the dialogue on target and not engage in personal attacks.
Many of the people posting here are recent former members of the NWC Forum and their presence is missed by their friends. I have read a number of posts from remaining members that are bewildered by the animosity expressed towards them.
Take action against the company that did not complete their obligations to you. Try not to lash out against people that were your friends only a week or so ago. It’s difficult to say the least but not impossible to try.

glennie May 18, 2008 at 6:22 am

Becky – Just thought you would be interested to know – that although Mike says no one is banned from the forum without reason – I have now been banned – I am leftie’s husband but she was banned obviously because Mike is afraid he might have to pay her hush money – and to be honest he best dig into his pockets – I’ll just say Perks – January – 100 – ring any bells over there??? Dig deep because she will fight for what was owed to also. I also have registered a complaint with BBB and that is why her status of mini mod was taken from her but don’t know y she lost her VIP status and then get banned – she wrote nothing negative in the forum and what she says anywhere else on the net is her freedom of speech.

knothead May 18, 2008 at 6:29 am

when someone here attacks someone from nwc without provocation we are the first ones to ask them to stop
i am still a member there as are many of us, we just find the company here more sympathetic to our way of dealing with this
becky has posted all of the contact information together in a blog and put a link for it at the beginning of these threads, at least the first 2 and i am sure she will put it at the beginning of this one also as well as a link for it on the main page of the site so nobody has to read through all of these posts unless they want to

Jen May 18, 2008 at 7:03 am

Copied from gptboycott.com
The importance of a boycott should not be underestimated. Many programs which have been boycotted have stopped scamming members and have closed down shortly afterwards, while others have started to pay members in a way which they did not previously. It is therefore vital that our visitors should continue to file their complaints, so that we can continue to boycott fraudulent and dishonest sites.
_________________________________________________________________
Also may want to check out beenpaid.com
Some of NW partner sites are listed there as good paying sites- those partners may not want to lose that endorsement.

Jen May 18, 2008 at 7:18 am

Oops… forget beenpaid. Seems some of their sites have dissappeared since I found them a few days ago… hmmm

ME May 18, 2008 at 7:22 am

bankoaddict said—Do you think people like them should quit their job and just sit at home playing on line games to pay the bills like you guys do?
well maybe these people should get REAL friggen jobs, all they do is sit on THEIR asses too,I know how the buisness world and the computer world work, SIT ON THEIR asses all day ripping people off= OK
US sitting on our asses an hour or 2 a day or so, to get some extra cash = LOSERES WHO QUiT their jobs???
LOL
come on think things through before you post please
i have a job
maybe people like THEM should get REAL jobs and not just sit on their asses comming up with ways to get rich off doing almost NOTHING

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 7:32 am

Netwinner Friends
“Serenity Now” Lounge (Safe House)
a new one LOl

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 7:33 am

and
NetPraiseWinner Page: 1 2 3 4
Please only POSITIVE posts here
lol lol

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 7:34 am

We understand that some of our players would like to say some positive things about netwinner, our mods, our admins, our mini mods and fellow players. Some of our players are “afraid” to post in fear that it will turn into something negative.
Here we would like you to feel free in expressing anything positive at all. Whether it is about the forum, the people in the forum, the games or the netwinner site.
Please remember that this is a POSITIVE thread about Netwinner and the Netwinner people (staff, admins, mods, mini mods, players). Anything negative will be edited out. If you cant say something nice then please do not post here
Netwinner is the best site on the web. Period.
I love how everytime I think they can’t possibly make it any better, they always seem to find a way
sorr y i just had to paste this it makes me laugh

leftie May 18, 2008 at 7:49 am

Please remember that this is a POSITIVE thread about Netwinner and the Netwinner people (staff, admins, mods, mini mods, players). Anything negative will be edited out. If you cant say something nice then please do not post here
Netwinner is the best site on the web – puleassseeeeeeee – more lies and BS

Not hard to guess who I am May 18, 2008 at 8:06 am

Mike is a liar.I was banned for speaking up and asking questions..Two nonos on NWC it seems however I Had been doing that for quite some time without repercussion.Why all of a sudden the banning for absolutely NO reason.Because NW does not want the truth coming out thats why.Big mistake on their part because the more vocal of us will continue the fight elsewhere.
The NWC forum Has become Nothing but a “pee pad” ;P and Yes I Do beleive that they send “trolls” over here like a bunch of adolescent school children,to gather “information” for Big Brother.Geez and they say WE are childish.
I too kept every confirmation email from NW..along with quite a bit of other information that may be useful in filing with the various agencies.I will continue to post everywhere I can so I am grateful for the many good links already posted here( Thanks again Becky)
I agree with my Peas(jetski)*hugs*..Bashing “them” personally serves no purpose(although I DO love to call Mike the liar that he is).
Lets try to keep on topic as much as possible so that we can continue to work together to make sure that Netscammer is put out of the fraud biz.

Not hard to guess who I am May 18, 2008 at 8:33 am

Ummm..it appears that I have been banned from the consumerist forum??? I didnt do anything wrong,just posted like the others?Hmmmm

leftie May 18, 2008 at 9:00 am

Well my hubby (glennie) has been banned from the forum and he said or did nothing except put in a complaint to the BBB which Mike said was fine and that y I lost my mini mod status – but does he think people here didn’t make friends there and exchange emails – we still know the BS going on in there – lol. Sent an email to support this morning but no answer yet – well SUPPORT this is DAY 1

monkey trunks May 18, 2008 at 9:22 am

MJP65 says – “I don’t read anything there.(Compare Rewards) Posts about the team or me gets forwarded to me.”
Hmmmmm do U believe that?

leftie May 18, 2008 at 10:11 am

Posted by: monkey trunks
Date: May 18, 2008 9:22 AM
MJP65 says – “I don’t read anything there.(Compare Rewards) Posts about the team or me gets forwarded to me.”
Hmmmmm do U believe that?
NO – I was told by my friends in the forum (yes Mike I have friends still there sending me lots of info) that it was posted by Mike that I was banned because of something I wrote here – and I believe it is himself that comes here reading – not his bum buddies

Becky May 18, 2008 at 10:18 am

Well, well…you guys were some busy little posters last night, huh? ;)
I’ll try to make this brief.
Rich, I received a PM from Mike about your SNL-reference joke (which I immediately “got,” being the huge SNL fan that I am) — he’s obviously not a fan and was upset. I explained the joke to him, even gave him a link to a transcript of the actual joke and he still was offended, so I took your comment off. Meant to say something about it to you before I went to bed but forgot; sorry! (Hey, I was tired. Slept 11 hours last night!) It was very nice of you to apologize to him and I hope Mike accepts it.
FormerBANKOaddict and whoever else: Man, are you EVER right, this site has gotten a ton of comments on this subject. I’m glad to be able to offer an alternative to the highly-censored NWC for people to exchange information on what happened to them and to offer suggestions on what to do next. I do look forward to the proposed alternative forum, though, because this blog format isn’t really conducive to organizing the information well…and I can’t keep up with other happenings in the points and rewards industry with this brouhaha going on here on my site!
JetSki and others: I agree with you that the cause is best served by staying on topic, focusing on facts and solutions, and avoiding personal jabs when possible. I’m sure you can understand, though, how hard that is for the people who were told, by those they considered friends, “Trust me, they will pay.” How many times did I read that just in the two weeks before Ecount was eliminated? TRUST ME. Trust IS personal. And did the moderators go, “Dang, I am so sorry… my bad. This sucks. We quit”? Nope. They stuck around, editing and deleting their friends’ angry posts. When those wronged refused to be silenced, their “friends” banned them.
To all: I know that you’re angry and hurt. I understand the desire to lash out at particular individuals remaining in the service of the company that screwed you. But please listen to what jetski and others are suggesting, which is to channel your anger and hurt feelings into pursuing the company as an entity. There are many avenues that have been proposed; all you have to do is go down the list and hit one right after the other. Here’s the list of contacts once again:
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http://comparerewards.blogspot.com/
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I will update it with some of the new suggestions you’ve made (such as Consumerist).
Readers: If you see something posted here that you think is inappropriate, please email me at comparerewards@yahoo.com — thanks!

kiarasmamaw May 18, 2008 at 10:26 am

As I said earlier, and leftie you will remember. Mike used to send us to sites that were posting negative about netwinner. I mean now that I think about it we got points for so many things. Proof of that alone would be great. We got points if we would post a blog about Netwinner on Myspace. At one time there was a post with a long list of sites they wanted us to post on. That’s how I got my VIP status. By proving I posted on those sites. So most of the good things you read about Netwinner on differnt sites on the net were paid for comments. So same thing may be happening now.
By the way. I contacted some of the advertisers. I told them what I got for clicking their ads. I also posted the part in the advertiser TOS stating giving any incintive for the click is not allowed. I also let each ad know that sometimes when offered points we got extra if it were certain advertisers. So far the ones I’ve contacted wasn’t the one we got extra for. That may displease them.

Mistyshadow44 May 18, 2008 at 10:31 am

Not hard to guess who I am,
I checked out the consumerist forum. I read on the message board by Admin Faust, that he thinks badbadkitty, linndy, rippedoff, fightingback, jusarippedplayer, and leftie are all the same in one. Below is the message that Faust posted.
Re: Netwinner decides not to pay, scams thousands
« Reply #7 Today at 8:12am »
I don’t doubt that whoever you are, you are having a problem with Netwinner however it is easy for me to see that all these users are the same person. Unfortunately, the spamming of your issues is not tolerated. 1 post would have been plenty, I don’t understand your desire to abuse my board. Banned.

kiarasmamaw May 18, 2008 at 10:45 am

Well if leftie posted at consumerist under different they should have banned her. But let’s not dog her. She just wants something done like the rest of us. I’ll be honest. I almost did the same thing and changed my mind at the last minute. leftie is on our side.

leftie May 18, 2008 at 10:49 am

I posted/registered once there under the name leftie – do not insuate that I make up names on forums – must be buddies with someone over yonder

Jen May 18, 2008 at 10:49 am

Hope everyone is filing at ripoffreports.
_____________________________________________________________
Get a company or individual listed on Top Rip-off Links
If there are more than five (5) Reports filed from different consumers on a company or individual then you can request they be added to the list. Ripoff Report will verify that the Reports are filed by different people. Send request to EDitor@RipoffReport.com.
———————————————————————Once they have 5 people filinf complaints they will add the company to their rip off list, but we have to send them a request to do so.

leftie May 18, 2008 at 10:50 am

Posted by: leftie
Date: May 18, 2008 10:49 AM
I posted/registered once there under the name leftie – do not insinuate that I make up names on forums – must be buddies with someone over yonder – dup of last post with spelling correction

thecommittee May 18, 2008 at 10:57 am

Leftie, what are you implying?

kiarasmamaw May 18, 2008 at 10:59 am

leftie…I in know way meant anything but good about you in my post. Hope you know that.

pkb143 May 18, 2008 at 11:12 am

Yes, I remember SO many things I did to help publicize Netwinner (and get referrals). I got points for setting up a MySpace blog about Netwinner…I didn’t think it was my “thing” so after a couple of months, I replaced it with one on Squidoo.
I got points and entered the “addict” contest by posting a YouTube video about being a “Netwinner Addict.” (Yeah, I really was one).
I got points or contest entries for posting to forums or websites where Netwinner needed to counteract negative posts.
These are just a few examples of how Netwinner got tons of free publicity from loyal players as we were encouraged (or “bribed” with points/VIP access, contest entry) to do so.
Now I feel so betrayed and completely embarrassed that I totally supported this site and did so much on their behalf. I’m working on a new YouTube video which may be up today or tomorrow to help in some small way to set the record straight, along with filing complaints where I can.

Becky May 18, 2008 at 11:22 am

I emailed the Consumerist tip email to let them know that these are indeed different people posting and to ask them to please see if they can write something up about NetWinner.
Meanwhile, I have some interesting information that was forwarded to me by a NW “partner.” Trying to get my thoughts straight on it before posting.
Quick question you guys could answer that would help: in the past three months, what was a rough estimate of an average daily earnings in points and dollars on NW, and how many ads would you see in a typical game (4 or so?). Thanks in advance.

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 11:35 am

I sent email to RipOffReport…
I just filed a report about Netwinner, LLC… and I believe others have as well. Please add them to your top RipOff list.
Thank you

John D May 18, 2008 at 11:38 am

Don’t forget that your friend mjp65/mjp65aa is associated all over the place on the web and, apparently, is a mod. on several. An example is LottaLotto.com. I just happened to notice that he has several posts on sites where he testifies to how quickly he got paid for currently now defunct sites.

leftie May 18, 2008 at 11:42 am

Posted by: thecommittee
Date: May 18, 2008 10:57 AM
Leftie, what are you implying?
Well it is obviously being insinuated that I register and post with different name – I am leftie and only leftie.
Posted by: kiarasmamaw
Date: May 18, 2008 10:59 AM
leftie…I in know way meant anything but good about you in my post. Hope you know that.
Yes I know that kiaras.
Anyways, I have filed at ripoffreports – and have sent an email to support@netwinner – but reply yet. Maybe they are in shock over what I said. Now off to BBB – haven’t got my complaint done there yet.

sue May 18, 2008 at 11:46 am

In the last few months I was getting very few points. About 300 a day. I viewed approximately 10 ads per game.

pkb143 May 18, 2008 at 11:51 am

My daily average over last 3 months was approx. 900 points. I added in points for my cashouts since February. That total initially seems high to me, as my point “goal” before the Feb. 8 limits of game play were initiated was usually 1,000 per day, but after Feb. 8 the points were much harder to get (500 would be a great day); however I was an avid contest player and that really brought my point total up.
How many ads in a typical “game”?? for me, a typical game would be 100 plays on MoneyWheel and 10 Banko cards (the play limit since Feb. 8). It would take me a couple of hours to play the limit and I’ll guess on a “good ad” day I would see 30-40 ads. On some days, however, the ads will “stick” and I’d see the same ones over and over.

leftie May 18, 2008 at 11:55 am

I beleive I already posted this link from lottalottos.com forum but just bringing it back in
http://www.lottalottos.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1527&whichpage=102
in it mjp65 – yep mjp65 (a mod at the site) states on 16 Apr 08 that Netwinner pays all winners (obviously only a few select members at Netwinner can be called winners).
here is his post
mjp65
Moderator
USA
2475 Posts
Posted – 04/16/2008 : 18:29:50
——————————————————————————–
Netwinner pays all winners. We are slow, but we pay. I agree the free lotto world has gone down hill. However, NW is the best free site to win prizes bar none.
I am both an employee of Netwinner and a mod here.
With many uphappy people posting since the above quote – mjp65 has not been in to explain/try defend the scam they just lived thru.

kiarasmamaw May 18, 2008 at 11:56 am

Becky it’s hard to average our points for last 3 months. Before they changed the 10 pointer to raffle entry I was averinging anywhere from 800 to 100 a day. Once they changed the 10 point entry I averaged from 0 to maybe 175 daily. Don’t know how to average that.

leftie May 18, 2008 at 11:59 am

I beleive I already posted this link from lottalottos.com forum but just bringing it back in
http://www.lottalottos.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1527&whichpage=102
in it mjp65 – yep mjp65 (a mod at the site) states on 16 Apr 08 that Netwinner pays all winners (obviously only a few select members at Netwinner can be called winners).
here is his post
mjp65
Moderator
USA
2475 Posts
Posted – 04/16/2008 : 18:29:50
——————————————————————————–
Netwinner pays all winners. We are slow, but we pay. I agree the free lotto world has gone down hill. However, NW is the best free site to win prizes bar none.
I am both an employee of Netwinner and a mod here.
With many uphappy people posting since the above quote – mjp65 has not been in to explain/try defend the scam they just lived thru.

thecommittee May 18, 2008 at 12:00 pm

Leftie, when you said, “must be buddies with someone over yonder…” what were you implying? Could you clarify, please? Did you mean “over yonder” to be the Consumerist or NWC? The reason I’m asking is because it sounds like you’re saying someone at the NWC used your IP address to create new accounts at the Consumerist.
Other than that, the only explanation I can think of as to why Mr. Faust would make that accusation is if a proxy (such as AOL) was used with the several names he listed.
I wonder if perhaps Mr. Faust could supply more information about his determination that you were posting with several different accounts. I would hate to think our IP addresses and/or usernames are somehow being used unscrupulously without our knowledge.

BBK May 18, 2008 at 12:03 pm

Sheesh we are banned from the consumerist forum , though i wrote Ben Popken an email explaining the situation , the Mod over there claims it was one person who posted all the posts .. i asked that they please check the IP on those posts as we are clearly not the same person .
Hopefully this will help

thecommittee May 18, 2008 at 12:05 pm

The lack of enthusiastic posts from Mike at LottaLottos has been duly noted for quite some time. It’s apparent that his allegience is to whoever butters his bread, or maybe he’s simply ashamed to show his face there?

leftie May 18, 2008 at 12:06 pm

Becky: I would estimate my average points over the past 3 months to be at about 400 a day (some days better some days worse). Like kiara – before the entry came into effect I could get about 7-800 on average and since then many days of about 150-250 so an average of about 400 or 40 cents. Lot of work for 40 cents – think slaves make more than that. Many days/games I would see the same ad over and over – the apdigital new ad.

Aaron May 18, 2008 at 12:11 pm

Posted by: leftie
Date: May 18, 2008 12:06 PM
Becky: I would estimate my average points over the past 3 months to be at about 400 a day (some days better some days worse). Like kiara – before the entry came into effect I could get about 7-800 on average and since then many days of about 150-250 so an average of about 400 or 40 cents. Lot of work for 40 cents – think slaves make more than that. Many days/games I would see the same ad over and over – the apdigital new ad.
This sounds about right for me as well. Of course some days after raffle entry was added would get zero points.

leftie May 18, 2008 at 12:21 pm

Posted by: thecommittee
Date: May 18, 2008 12:00 PM
Leftie, when you said, “must be buddies with someone over yonder…” what were you implying? Could you clarify, please? Did you mean “over yonder” to be the Consumerist or NWC? The reason I’m asking is because it sounds like you’re saying someone at the NWC used your IP address to create new accounts at the Consumerist.
Other than that, the only explanation I can think of as to why Mr. Faust would make that accusation is if a proxy (such as AOL) was used with the several names he listed.
I wonder if perhaps Mr. Faust could supply more information about his determination that you were posting with several different accounts. I would hate to think our IP addresses and/or usernames are somehow being used unscrupulously without our knowledge.
By over yonder I mean at NW – not implying anyone used my IP but the names used at Consumerist are names from here – and different people and I don’t have AOL. The other posts were already there when I posted – I was not the first person to post.

Aaron May 18, 2008 at 12:24 pm

Should add that two days before all prizes were recinded I was doing much better than ussual including a 5000 point win. Obviously they tweaked it because points would be useless so might as well toss them out like rain drops.
Of course once again brings up the fact that if they can tweak the odds so expertly then there is zero randomness and the numbers you pick actually mean nothing.
On another thing. Might want to send the Cunsumerist fellow an e-mail directing him to these threads and why people are going there to complain about NW. And Becky can maybe let him know about how to check ISP’s.

BBK May 18, 2008 at 12:25 pm

Sorry , i just woke up , Thanks Becky for trying to straighten the consumerist thing out for us , i did include my phone number so that they could verify that im a person LOL although what that will confirm other than that i dont know , i was just stunned to see we were all banned ( im one of those that takes that kind of thing hard , was even crying when i wrote the email sheesh )
Since they are posting stuff from here over there , i wanted to share something i wrote over there , it made me giggle last night and still working today :)
One of the NWC Members said she went overdrawn on her Ecount card and is blaming NW …
My Reply :
Just tell them youve decided to change the cards terms of service and that your not really making as much money as you would like so you wont be paying them , im sure they will understand :)
Throw all your bills on the kitchen table and pick one to pay , let the others know they were not chosen in this months raffle but you wish them luck next time :)

BBK May 18, 2008 at 12:34 pm

Ok evidently he didnt actually ban me , i was able to send a private message ( wipe those tears away ) to Faust explaining the situation and hope to get a reply soon .

leftie May 18, 2008 at 12:55 pm

Just tried to log in and says I am banned so unable to send Faust a PM

linda May 18, 2008 at 1:17 pm

well, i am a little insulted, i am from michigan.
anyone else? i am sure we have different ip’s.
i am the one who posted and sent others there also.(consumerist)

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 1:34 pm

I just visited the consumerist and couldn’t find ANY postings about NW…

kiarasmamaw May 18, 2008 at 1:36 pm

Starting to sound a litle fishy if consumerist is banning a lt of people from here.

linda May 18, 2008 at 1:39 pm

oh and i was doing ok on points about 500 to 1000 a day in about 2 hours, some days better some worse. the ads, about 4 to 6 every banko game. dont know about wheel, to many to count.

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 1:40 pm

Could someone plz tell me where I am supposed to be searching for our info on the consumerist? As I said I just visited and could not find anything on that site about NW.

linda May 18, 2008 at 1:41 pm

yep, nothing there for me but i got onsite, let me log in.
earlier i couldn’t.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 18, 2008 at 1:53 pm

“Becky said:
I do look forward to the proposed alternative forum, though, because this blog format isn’t really conducive to organizing the information well…”
It’s getting there. :) Just this darned eye thing slowing me down.
“BBK said:
My Reply :
Just tell them youve decided to change the cards terms of service and that your not really making as much money as you would like so you wont be paying them , im sure they will understand :)
Throw all your bills on the kitchen table and pick one to pay , let the others know they were not chosen in this months raffle but you wish them luck next time :)
Hahahaha!

BBK May 18, 2008 at 2:11 pm

About the consumerist , we posted in the consumerist forum here http://consumerist.proboards88.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=warning&thread=1360&page=1
Which i just now figured out i HAVE been banned from :(
We was hoping to get the consumerist to do a story on it and make the front page of the consumerist site .
Wow , and i didnt even get a reply from the message i was able to send Faust :(

kiarasmamaw May 18, 2008 at 2:13 pm

Becky we do hope you will be a part of the new forum.

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 2:18 pm

It appears the thread has been deleted, not just the people banned. That sucks.

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 2:24 pm

The way in which the threads were deleted and people banned does give the impression that they have some type of knowledge of NW already. Not saying that’s a good thing, for us at least. Of course, on the other hand from the dates on said forum, it isn’t a very active one.

ann May 18, 2008 at 2:26 pm

Becky– I was earning from 500-1000 before netloser got rid of the 10 points. After that I was lucky to get 200 and often less and sometimes not a single point on 100 wheel spins. My daughter did hit 12500 a few times in the last month but otherwise not much either. Not sure about ads but some sure slowed down the game.

ann May 18, 2008 at 2:34 pm

Well well….I also checked at consumerist site and nothing about netwinner BUT if you google you will find this but when you click on the link, it says it can’t be found.
The Consumerist Forums – Netwinner decides not to pay, scams thousandsI want to add a few links here to some of the more disturbing things that netwinner had said / done regarding the members complaints . …
consumerist.proboards88.com/index.cgi?board=warning&action=display&thread=1360&page=1 -

pkb143 May 18, 2008 at 3:13 pm

Just finished my Netwinner video and posted to YouTube. Here’s the link — feel free to comment! The title is: “Netwinner: Know More.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F5s1UOec0I

Jack May 18, 2008 at 4:21 pm

I posted at the consumerist also and was banned . Is this guy for real ? Checking ip’s should have been done before jumping to conclusions and saying we are all the same person .
On another note , I’m sure many of you have seen ritajogregowicz post at netwinner central . She was usually good for a laugh . Here is her latest , which she has posted before :
“WELL IM TAKING NETWINNER TO COURT IN MORNING IM FILING TO GET THEM TO PAY ME MY MONEY”
At least she is on our side !

leftie May 18, 2008 at 4:51 pm

Jack – maybe we all should have been listening to rita all along – she was right

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 4:54 pm

Where was this? If it was on NWC, I can’t see it. Musta been deleted real quick :)

Jack May 18, 2008 at 4:58 pm

That comment got her banned . She has officially escaped the dark side . Here is another post she made today .
ritajogregowicz
Banned
Joined: Sun Jan 27th, 2008
Location:
Posts: 115
Status: Online
Mana:
Posted: Sun May 18th, 2008 02:11 pm
Quote Reply
YEAH I DO NOT LIKE THIS MONEYWHEEL IT A WASTE OF MY TIME TO NOT WIN ANY POINTS I DONT CARE TO SEE THE MONEY WHEEL

leftie May 18, 2008 at 5:02 pm

Of course she was banned – if you don’t say I LOVE NW that’s what they do – doesn’t matter how loyal you were to them – if your opinion of the site/management changed it’s bye bye.

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 5:06 pm

They will probably say they banned her cause she posted in all caps. Ya, right.

kiarasmamaw May 18, 2008 at 5:06 pm

I’m glad they are still banning people. That means all over there arn giving in. I’m anxious to see how many they have left once the banning stops.

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 5:09 pm

They are trying to make the “serenity now” mess look better than it actually is. They are probably going through all the posts and trying to find all the positive ones and moving them to that forum so that it looks like alot of people are posting there. HA!

thecommittee May 18, 2008 at 5:14 pm

The absolute best, most effective thing anyone can do at this point is to file a complaint with the N.C. Attorney General. When they’ve determined that they have enough consumer complaints, they can then issue the dreaded Injunction and a Cease-and-Desist order.
They obviously have no comprehension of the fury they’ve provoked. Maybe one day we’ll be able to post the court transcripts here of their stupid, lame defenses.
For anyone who takes offense to the preceding harshness, I refuse to apologize. It rips me up to watch good, innocent people being taken advantage of and then tossed away like a piece of rubbish.
Shame an ANYONE who aligns themselves with this reprehensible crew.

kiarasmamaw May 18, 2008 at 5:19 pm

Thecommitte…AMEN!!

Din24 May 18, 2008 at 5:53 pm

I have filed a report with the Rip-off site.
How are people getting into Netwinner Central. There’s no way I’m able to get in there.

kiarasmamaw May 18, 2008 at 6:03 pm

I guess some are watching what they say. Good idea so we know what’s going on. I’ve been banned for awhile now.

leftie May 18, 2008 at 6:07 pm

The thing about getting in over yonder is to just go in and read and copy and paste and print and not post and bring attention to yourself – lol – unless they think you’re one of them.

kiarasmamaw May 18, 2008 at 6:12 pm

leftie I still ahte what they did to you. Back when they were asking us to vote for mini mods. I voted for you. Now I am so proud I did. You really did care about the players and have proven it. In my eyes you are VIP!!!

Din24 May 18, 2008 at 6:21 pm

I used to get between 600- 1200 pts per day with no referrals playing. That was for 100 spins and 10 Banko games. After the raffles were introduced, I made between 150-300 pts. I then basically quit playing because by that time

leftie May 18, 2008 at 6:24 pm

Posted by: kiarasmamaw
Date: May 18, 2008 6:14 PM
leftie, back when NWC had us nominate people for mini mods. I picked you. Now I am proud I did. You really did care about the players and have proven it. In my eyes you are VIP!!
Thank you very much for your kind words kiara. I did my best over there and to those wondering I was not given a script to follow – I followed my heart and when I said we would be paid I sincerely thought things would be fixed up and that we would. Remember I was also waiting to get paid ($225 was processing with almost enough for another $400) I believed in the site – guess the whole membership (WELL ALMOST THE WHOLE MEMBERSHIP) got fooled and ripped off.

Din24 May 18, 2008 at 6:26 pm

I had put 2 and 2 together. When pay-outs fall behind by 6 months, you know that company ain’t paying anymore.
I still don’t know why I can’t login to Netwinner Central. I would like to be in touch with Trudo to find out how her major surgery went. Anyone know?

Mistyshadow44 May 18, 2008 at 6:26 pm

Has anyone been following the Netwinner traffic report online. It gives you a history of internet activity. I find it to be very interesting. Here is the site I go to, to check traffic history on Netwinner.
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/netwinner.com

Tol84it May 18, 2008 at 6:42 pm

Wow Mistyshadow44. Looks like Netwinner traffic has really slowed down. Can’t wait to see what June looks like. Thanks for the info.

leftie May 18, 2008 at 6:56 pm

Very interesting find Misty – the sad thing is so many players do not even know about the forum to find out what happened to their redemptions and why the add of points to their score – they probably think they hit big – hope them innocent members find out soon.

Former NW Addict May 18, 2008 at 7:03 pm

Posted by leftie.
” Very interesting find Misty – the sad thing is so many players do not even know about the forum to find out what happened to their redemptions and why the add of points to their score – they probably think they hit big – hope them innocent members find out soon.”
Hi- I used to love playing in the contests with you! No more.
I wonder if there is a way for those playing the wheel and banko be notified there are no more ecount/debit cards to cash out on. Just the stinking raffles. I bet if they knew- most will not play any longer! Disgusting

leftie May 18, 2008 at 7:13 pm

Posted by: Former NW Addict
Date: May 18, 2008 7:03 PM
Posted by leftie.
” Very interesting find Misty – the sad thing is so many players do not even know about the forum to find out what happened to their redemptions and why the add of points to their score – they probably think they hit big – hope them innocent members find out soon.”
Hi- I used to love playing in the contests with you! No more.
I wonder if there is a way for those playing the wheel and banko be notified there are no more ecount/debit cards to cash out on. Just the stinking raffles. I bet if they knew- most will not play any longer! Disgusting
I sent an email to my referals that I had an address for and told them the news and told them to pass it on to the referals and so on down the line. I told them I was sorry for leading them to such a scam site, but also explained it was good for awhile then they started paying themselves and advertisers and not the members that helped them grow.

Former NW Addict May 18, 2008 at 7:28 pm

I have no referrals. When you log on the NW game sit- it still says “You Play, We Pay”. Unsuspecting players already registered likely are not aware of it as well as new players registering.
It should be more like…..You Play-to earn Points for prizes. Whatever..

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 7:34 pm

Has anyone been following the Netwinner traffic report online. It gives you a history of internet activity. I find it to be very interesting. Here is the site I go to, to check traffic history on Netwinner.
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/netwinner.com
Page views are the only thing up on netwinner. Alexa.com must not know that people are going to NWC and not the main site. If thats the case then the traffic numbers for players must be even lower.

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 7:37 pm

Has anyone been following the Netwinner traffic report online. It gives you a history of internet activity. I find it to be very interesting. Here is the site I go to, to check traffic history on Netwinner.
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/netwinner.com
Page views are the only thing up on netwinner. Alexa.com must not know that people are going to NWC and not the main site. If thats the case then the traffic numbers for players must be even lower.
leftie is ssan staying or leaving?

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 7:38 pm

Page views are the only thing up on netwinner. Alexa.com must not know that people are going to NWC and not the main site. If thats the case then the traffic numbers for players must be even lower.
leftie is ssan staying or leaving?

Former NW Addict May 18, 2008 at 7:39 pm

Here’s what I found on the alexa site..at the very bottom. It does not include NWcentral
Where people go on Netwinner.com:
ne562737twinner79.com – 99925060%
blog.ne75twin47ner.com – 1%

acsfl May 18, 2008 at 7:45 pm

Does anyone know if the Prize Drawings list in your account information(where it shows how many draws you had and whether you won) ages out? I just logged in to check my acct(I haven’t played since the changes, but I keep checking just to see if anything changes) and I am only showing one prize drawing(the most recent).

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 7:46 pm

leftie is ssan staying or leaving NW.

knothead May 18, 2008 at 7:52 pm

din24
i looked at trudo’s profile and posts, she posted once on may 15 in ’3 word game’ and the last post before that was april 22
i don’t know when her surgery was but if it was before may 15 then she is still around at least
i sent her a pm asking how she was doing after her surgery and told her you had asked about her but i don’t know if i will get a response or not, i hope i don’t get in trouble for passing on a msg since it has nothing to do with this nw mess

Former NW Addict May 18, 2008 at 7:59 pm

Posted by: acsfl
Date: May 18, 2008 7:45 PM
“Does anyone know if the Prize Drawings list in your account information(where it shows how many draws you had and whether you won) ages out? I just logged in to check my acct(I haven’t played since the changes, but I keep checking just to see if anything changes) and I am only showing one prize drawing(the most recent).”
……it looks like it. I looked at mine and old drawings that said “NO” are mostly gone except for a few that were recent or not drawn yet. Maybe they deleted it so it would not look so “negative”. LOL. NO….NO….NO…..NO…to all my wasted so-called drawings.
On a second thought I have wondered for quite awhile….it appears that most winners of raffles are pretty much “newbies” or players that do not come to the forums. I do not trust Netlosers raffles picks at all.

myspacer May 18, 2008 at 8:07 pm

remember the girl who said she made 250 grand working for nw
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=98718055
heres another nw employee making that much
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=18171738
this is 6 times the median income in charlotte according to wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte,_North_Carolina
no wonder we didnt get paid :(

Jaymie May 18, 2008 at 8:09 pm

Posted by: Former NW Addict
Date: May 18, 2008 7:59 PM
On a second thought I have wondered for quite awhile….it appears that most winners of raffles are pretty much “newbies” or players that do not come to the forums. I do not trust Netlosers raffles picks at all.
I beleive this is true too, my sister had an account with Netloser for about a year, she realized how boring it was and quit playing the same week she started. She decided to try again, the same week they started the raffles, and she won ($100). She received an email(along with a bunch of peoples email addys) a couple weeks later saying to fax her info, she tried to, but the number was always buzy. She gave up trying to fax her info & she gave up on Netwinner.

kiarasmamaw May 18, 2008 at 8:10 pm

They are deleting stuff not realizing some of you took screenshoots already. At least thats my take on this. I wish I had taken a screenshot of the post that got me banned. It shouldn’t have. Don’t really mind anymore tho. Not at all. Here is way better.

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 8:11 pm

Hey the second one..it says “arion”. Is that a guy or a girl? I can’t tell from the image on their page.

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 8:13 pm

What post was it? Maybe I can get in and get a ss for you?

leftie May 18, 2008 at 8:32 pm

Posted by: Anonymous
Date: May 18, 2008 7:46 PM
leftie is ssan staying or leaving NW.
SSAN is staying for now – and this contest they are running is only for entries to the BBQ Grill – no points for netloser accounts – so worth checking out

leftie May 18, 2008 at 8:39 pm

I would think they keeping options open and will try to work with us by providing contests outside the wheel and banko side of things like the present contest

Linda May 18, 2008 at 8:48 pm

Are you joking?? since they don’t pay people. You still ask us to check it out. You must be out of your mind !

kiarasmamaw May 18, 2008 at 8:51 pm

Anonymous… Mike probably deleted the thread. It’s the one where he is explaining what happened to the first thread the famous email from the president was posted in. Remember that thread got deleted?? He put the letter on again and said …He did not delete the first one and was trying to figure out how it got deleted. He went on to say something like ( That what happens with these senseless attackers they ruin everything) I replied to the post. (I said he shouldn’t belittle us thay way. Our comments weren’t senseless. I said that I couldn’t believe that he blamed us when it was his bosses that screwed us.) Something along those lines.

leftie May 18, 2008 at 8:51 pm

No need to be nasty to me – SSAN did not rip us off – NW did and SSAN is running this contest not NW

knothead May 18, 2008 at 8:52 pm

arion is ahardison, mike’s boss and cto of nw, interesting that he only has a high school education, i guess people that young grow up on computers though and learn a lot more than i will ever know in elementary school, lol
i just got an email saying leftie is new ‘vent moderator’ at ssan, wtg leftie
acsfl – if you haven’t played since the change it seems like you would not have any entries in drawings to list on prize drawings page, i don’t understand why latest drawing is listed there though, i have not looked at that page lately, last time i logged in was the last time someone said ecounts were showing back up again (mine never did come back even briefly though)
pkb143 – great job on the video

leftie May 18, 2008 at 8:57 pm

Thx knothead – Sandra at SSAN is really great and truly feels for us

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 8:57 pm

kiarasmamaw, I found it if you want a ss of it lemme know :)

thecommittee May 18, 2008 at 8:57 pm

Readers, please do not assume we all share the same views as those who believe partner sites should maintain associations with Netwinner. I’ll go out on a limb here and assert that many believe continued support constitutes acceptance and tolerance of mistreatment, to say the least. I’ll even go further and say that some believe it would be quite presumptuous of any partner site who refuses to cut ties with Netwinner to expect our blessings.

kiarasmamaw May 18, 2008 at 8:59 pm

Linda, if you read leftie’s first post about ssan you;ll understand it better. She said it wasn’t for netwinner points.
leftie, some don’t want to login to netwinner at all. Me included. We don’t want them to be able to show that their house is still full.

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 9:01 pm

Kiarasmawmaw, I found it if you want the ss lemme know how to get it to you ok?

pkb143 May 18, 2008 at 9:08 pm

Thanks, knothead, glad you liked it. I expect to be officially banned very soon. Oh well, another bites the dust..but I have to set the record straight as far as how I feel about NW now.
Leftie, I’m having trouble justifying supporting the NW partners in any endeavors. I do like Sandra, but that’s not the point. I assume you can still play NW games on the SSAN site, right?
Or…should we consider the partners “victims” as well?

acsfl May 18, 2008 at 9:18 pm

Knothead,
Yeah, the thing is… before, it used to list all of my previous drawing entries. But, I never really paid attention to whether the older ones aged off of the list.
It’s just me being curious whether it’s the way it’s always been or yet another little sneaky move on their part(though not sure what it would accomplish since all of my entries weren’t winners!).

kiarasmamaw May 18, 2008 at 9:18 pm

I myself won’t play on partner site either. I also won’t knock those that do. I feel they are all Netwinner. I would play on ssan if they would lose netwinner and start their own games. I liked them.

kiarasmamaw May 18, 2008 at 9:20 pm

Anonymous.. Are you on boomertowne? I could send you my email from there if you were. Don’t really want to post it on here.

leftie May 18, 2008 at 9:22 pm

kiara – add me at BT if somehow we not hooked up yet – same name

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 9:23 pm

To me they all the same, why play?

leftie May 18, 2008 at 9:32 pm

Nice of people to assume they think they know what people are doing – I’ve got nothing to hide – I’m using my name

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 9:33 pm

Kiara, no I am not on Boomertowne. I got an invite just haven’t been there yet. Hmm..not sure how to handle this one. Tell ya what, send me an email… anonaymoose@hotmail.com
*It’s a throw away addy so I don’t care if “someone” gets it or not :)

Jack May 18, 2008 at 9:35 pm

Here’s the new netwinner YouTube video by pkb143 . It’s great !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F5s1UOec0I

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 9:44 pm

OMFG!! PKB! That was AWESOME!!!!!!!!! You rock! SWEET!!!

kiarasmamaw May 18, 2008 at 9:45 pm

Anonymous..U got mail…lol

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 9:45 pm

K cool :)

Rich May 18, 2008 at 9:51 pm

If SSAN.com really felt sorry for people who lost a lot of money when Netwinner illegally broke their contract with their players, then I think she would have severed all ties with Netwinner. Partner sites that continue to be paid by Netwinner, even knowing the fact that Netwinner failed to honor its own contract with players and then tried to offer bribes to keep people quiet, are just as guilty of the villany as Netwinner themselves. I for one, will never support the partner sites who continue to support Netwinner.

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 9:52 pm

I’m guessing Hotmail takes a bit to get mail. I only used it once and it was like 2 years ago. Soon as I get your mail I will send a reply ;)

kiarasmamaw May 18, 2008 at 9:54 pm

Pkb should win the $850 first prize…lol

Rich May 18, 2008 at 9:55 pm

Great job on the video, pkb!

pkb143 May 18, 2008 at 10:01 pm

LOL – thanks everyone.
Somehow I knew that Netwinner video contest was never going to award any prizes. ‘Not closing until we get 100 entries’…ummm….yeah, right.
Anyway, for me, it’s like printing a retraction in the paper. My Netwinner addict video was up for almost a year for NW’s benefit, so I think it’s only fair that my “retraction” gets broadcast the very same way.

BBK May 18, 2008 at 10:03 pm

Thats just awesome , i sure needed a smile today and it gave me a huge one , hubby even came to see what i was watching ( he loved the song ) daughter came to view it , maybe insiration for her vid she is supposed to make me (grrr)
Thanks PKB !!

penny May 18, 2008 at 10:07 pm

pkb – Fabulous video! Can’t believe you could put that together so quickly – and with the perfect song, no less. Sure hope a lot of players who don’t even know there is a NWC see this video and will stop playing.
leftie – Sorry, I also will not play one game on any website affiliated with NW. Also wonder if, as per their rules, you play you will be agreeing to their new policy. Also, I have no trust in any of the other sites or games.
Becky – My rough estimate on points averaged in the last 3 months is anywhere from 0 to over 1,000 a day (a couple of times). I seemed to see the same ads over and over – maybe between 4 – 8 a day? Don’t know if this will help much.

Former NW Addict May 18, 2008 at 10:10 pm

Fabulous video pkb!!!!!! Really hope the players over at Netloser..especially the ones that don’t go on the forums and possibly don’t even realize the big change…..see it!
Too bad Netloser has deleted the video games. Yours would be great!
Also really miss playing on the contests with you and a few others. I have no entered any or played the games since Monday’s bomb.
WOW.

Curt May 18, 2008 at 10:16 pm

Hardison is 25?

leftie May 18, 2008 at 10:16 pm

I won’t add any more talking to this battle – will read and that’s it – too many people assume they know what everyone is doing – Great video pkb

Jaymie May 18, 2008 at 10:21 pm

way to go pkb!! Love the video.

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 10:25 pm

kiara, I still haven’t recieved anything from you. Are you sure you sent it to the correct address?

jazzyshell May 18, 2008 at 10:25 pm

Video is AWESOME!!! Thanks for all the hard work and help everybody is doing here to help others who also have been hit hard by NW…..I don’t post much, but I’m definitely on this side….thanks also for the SSAN Grill game, alhough I have one question, if SSAN is not with NW now, then why is the layout like the NW games? It makes it confusing, and I can see why they doubt the game….TTYL…..Oh, and I can’t wait until Monday when the belt will be undone, I forgot who said it earlier, but they made a post about Monday, BIG stuff going down…….will be very interesting….hopefully we sill see some action….

knothead May 18, 2008 at 10:27 pm

speaking of email addresses, nw already has your email addy
that reminds me though, i saw a post last week where someone said the boyfriend of a nw mod said she had been selling mailing lists of nw players with our personal info, does anyone remember who said that and is there any way that charges can be filed if it is true?

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 10:30 pm

Maybe Ssan will change their minds when their contract is up. I liked the site too. If things change I’ll play there again.

BBK May 18, 2008 at 10:31 pm

NWC is GONE !!!!!
Can anyone else verify this ?

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 10:33 pm

leftie… I think you should understand how people feel. We were cheated by this company. We feel the partner sites are doing the same thing the mods and Mike are doing. They just forgot about us. I respect the heck out of you. I do however understand how someone takes seeing any part of netwinner promoted on here. Also this battle won’t end until Netwinner somehow pays for what they did to everyone.

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 10:33 pm

OMG! I just found a post from HT. I can’t believe she/he’s back from the dead. I wonder what the deal was and why she/he stayed gone so long?

BBK May 18, 2008 at 10:33 pm

pffft it musta had a blip , i couldnt get it to load , even checked my net connection , sorry :(
Working fine now :(

pkb143 May 18, 2008 at 10:34 pm

Can’t get NWC to load, either.

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 10:34 pm

It’s not gone. I am there right now…

Jaymie May 18, 2008 at 10:35 pm

Posted by: BBK
Date: May 18, 2008 10:31 PM
NWC is GONE !!!!!
Can anyone else verify this ?
still there for me…….. uh oh, did you say something besides ‘I Love NW’?

Jack May 18, 2008 at 10:36 pm

Well , our friend , Hardtimer , has shown her face and made a post on the netwinner central forum . Guess what ? In her avatar , the word “staff” is now present .
I guess those months of repeating the NetWinner mantra , ” hang in there , be patient , NetWinner pays ” etc , landed her a job . I wonder how blood money feels ?
Just another bump for pkb143′s video , so people will watch it .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F5s1UOec0I

pkb143 May 18, 2008 at 10:37 pm

Ummmm….got NWC to load and someone just posted my YouTube video link there.

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 10:42 pm

Great video pkb143 and about hardtimer that is another one i have never liked or trusted.

kiarasmamaw May 18, 2008 at 10:42 pm

Anonymous I sent it again from another email addy. i copied and pasted the emil you wrote above.

Vickie May 18, 2008 at 10:44 pm

Sorry that was me who just posted about the video and hardtimer.

Former NW Addict May 18, 2008 at 10:50 pm

mamajenjen is now an Administrator

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 10:51 pm

Yea she’s no longer a “moderator”, she’s “Administrator” :) Wonder what the diff is? Probably just one more kiss on someone’s butt and she has gone from mod to admin :)

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 10:52 pm

Kia got it that time and replied :)

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 10:52 pm

OH and cuffpappy is back posting too..hmm..

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 10:55 pm

They are doing something to the forum. There was a thread about the youtube postings, and it shows as having another post, but I cannot get to it. Every time I try it says I don’t have “permission”…something’s up guys.

Former NW Addict May 18, 2008 at 10:58 pm

They are doing something to the forum. There was a thread about the youtube postings, and it shows as having another post, but I cannot get to it. Every time I try it says I don’t have “permission”…something’s up guys
……it happened to me too. I cleared my cookies and stuff…and was able to get back in

BBK May 18, 2008 at 10:58 pm

Earlier and still i was having trouble downloading any attachments , said i dont have permissions or needed to be logged in , which i made sure i was , and still cant .. but i can see all the posts ( i think) just fine …

Vickie May 18, 2008 at 10:58 pm

I tried to get on it too and it would not let me.

BBK May 18, 2008 at 10:59 pm

That entire thread has been deleted ….

Jaymie May 18, 2008 at 11:00 pm

I think they are deleating it, I just got warned because I posted the link. I thought it would be ok since the other video was there…. sorry pbk, I hope I didn’t cause trouble for you :(

Former NW Addict May 18, 2008 at 11:00 pm

in General Questions/Comments…they have frozen pkb’s video!

Jack May 18, 2008 at 11:04 pm

Someone posted the link to pkb143′s YouTube video in the thread that fish started about videos . The thread was up for a few minutes and now has been deleted .
So typical . Can’t have any negativity at Netwinner .
Does anyone else notice all the people at NetWinner that have angels , tinkerbell etc in their avatars ? Kind of ironic isn’t it , as they cintinue to sing NetWinner’s praises.

Former NW Addict May 18, 2008 at 11:04 pm

maybe Becky can post the video like she did with the young girl’s?…so that if any of the Netlosers players come here…they will see it on the first page??

pkb143 May 18, 2008 at 11:05 pm

Posted by: Jaymie
Date: May 18, 2008 11:00 PM
I think they are deleating it, I just got warned because I posted the link. I thought it would be ok since the other video was there…. sorry pbk, I hope I didn’t cause trouble for you :(
**********************************************************************
Jamie, I don’t know how you could cause trouble for me. I fully expected to be banned last week and WASN’T. I saw your post about my video and quoted it saying “Don’t kill the messenger.” I’ve been posting here under my NW username so they should already know how I feel about all this, anyway.

BBK May 18, 2008 at 11:07 pm

they are breaking the forum by deleting the threads , it shows no posts in the general thread LOL
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Badbadkitty/noneLOL.jpg

Vickie May 18, 2008 at 11:12 pm

It still works for me.

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 11:13 pm

Something I am curious about…at the bottom of the forum page it says there are 167 users online. However, noone is posting. Is that number accuarate? I can’t believe there are that many people on the forum and noone is posting anything.

linda May 18, 2008 at 11:14 pm

omg there are 2 lindas here.
one that posted earlier was not me.
i love sandra and ssan! i played all
last month in her contest!

Jaymie May 18, 2008 at 11:16 pm

Posted by: Anonymous
Date: May 18, 2008 11:13 PM
Something I am curious about…at the bottom of the forum page it says there are 167 users online. However, noone is posting. Is that number accuarate? I can’t believe there are that many people on the forum and noone is posting anything.
I was wondering about that too. I kind of think that maybe some of them are ‘fake’ because the other day the count went from something like 225 users and in a matter of minutes it went down to like 41. Which only led me to beleive that somebody got knocked offline that was using all those names…. hmmm

kiarasmamaw May 18, 2008 at 11:17 pm

Thanks Anonymous. Got it. I knew I didn’t say anything wrong. oh well, who did? Glad I’m here and not there.

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 11:18 pm

NP :) Glad I could help

curt81 May 18, 2008 at 11:18 pm

i’m here and there

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 11:19 pm

I’m always somewhere LOL…

thecommittee May 18, 2008 at 11:26 pm

While Becky is ultimately the boss of what’s posted here, I hardly think pushing partner sites is wise, especially after everything that’s been said about the poor decisions some affiliates are making. The cups of bitterness still runneth over.
Leftie, my comments were not meant to ostracize you or anyone else. I just felt it necessary to clarify my position. You say we don’t know what some people are really doing, but unless there’s a plan in the works to topple the regime, I will surmise that few people here are interested.

BBK May 18, 2008 at 11:29 pm

Something else i noticed last night in the members list .. i dont know this mod and i hope this doesnt get me in trouble over there but im amazed they censor posts but let this slide …
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Badbadkitty/holly-1.jpg

? May 18, 2008 at 11:38 pm

Is it just me or did nwc just close it’s doors?

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 11:38 pm

Yea I saw one that was “F*&k Netwinner” but with the actual letters. There were a few names along those lines, and more than just that one you posted with holly in the name. I agree. Seems odd they would let those stay. Unless it has something to do with the “more members” theory. They are willing to let the names stay because it makes their member base look larger.
Wild theory, I know. But I can’t figure another reason they would let those names stay there like that.

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 11:39 pm

Posted by: ?
Date: May 18, 2008 11:38 PM
Is it just me or did nwc just close it’s doors?
Nope. I can still get in fine

just me May 18, 2008 at 11:45 pm

well i can’t get in. it shows i am logged in. see pm’s disabled and nothing…
hmmm maybe they banned me.. rofl..
netwinner blows donkeys

? May 18, 2008 at 11:49 pm

I was in, then checked the members list for the holly imposter, and under the first i noticed a second even worse holly imposter. then went back to main page and it said can’t find server. Closed all tried again and got the same. cleared cash and cookies didn’t help. have i been banned or are they gone?

Former NW Addict May 18, 2008 at 11:50 pm

well i can’t get in. it shows i am logged in. see pm’s disabled and nothing…
hmmm maybe they banned me.. rofl..
netwinner blows donkeys
……clear your cookies and stuff….and refresh. It has happened a few times to me…and when I do that..it works.

BBK May 18, 2008 at 11:51 pm

same here , i get nada , zip zilch and cant view the members list any more :(

kiarasmamaw May 18, 2008 at 11:53 pm

Posted by: leftie
Date: May 18, 2008 10:16 PM
I won’t add any more talking to this battle – will read and that’s it – too many people assume they know what everyone is doing – Great video pkb
I’m not so sure leftie posted this. The sentence here (too many people assume they know what everyone is doing) Is a sentence I have read before on a post from I believe Mike awhile back when there were problems. Nort saying he posted this but it doesn’t sound like leftie to me.

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 11:53 pm

Hmm..dunno if I should say this but I can still get in

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 11:55 pm

Come to think of it you’re right. That doesn’t sound like something leftie would say. I guess it’s pretty easy to impersonate someone here. I wonder how our other forum is coming along.

BBK May 18, 2008 at 11:57 pm

well this certainly goes against theyre “we dont ban anyone unless they are attacking us ” rule !
I havent said diddle about anyone on there , i havent posted anything derogatory on there or here , and in fact if they would go look in the odds n ends forum , i was trying to HELP holly identify a teapot she has !!!!
I did post that screenshot , but if theyre going to let names like that be on the forum , why cant i post a pic of it ???
It just made me curious that they can ban a member in seconds for caps but they didnt notice those names ?

Former NW Addict May 18, 2008 at 11:58 pm

what other forum??

? May 18, 2008 at 11:58 pm

ok, that’s strange. it works fine now.

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 11:58 pm

Maybe they’re just randomly banning people they catch posting ANYTHING from NWC? That’s the only thing I can come up with.

Former NW Addict May 18, 2008 at 11:59 pm

fyi….shelly is now Netloser staff

Anonymous May 18, 2008 at 11:59 pm

Although I will say that I haven’t seen any new posts in like the last half hour or so. But that could be cause it’s late.

just me May 18, 2008 at 11:59 pm

well i can’t get in. it shows i am logged in. see pm’s disabled and nothing…
hmmm maybe they banned me.. rofl..
netwinner blows donkeys
……clear your cookies and stuff….and refresh. It has happened a few times to me…and when I do that..it works.
did all that still nothing.. who gives a flying BEEP anyway…

kiarasmamaw May 19, 2008 at 12:00 am

just me ..you are probably banned. Once they banned me, it showed logged in PM disabled. Thats how it works. that way when you log in it will ahow your name on the forum as on and it will look like a lot of people are on the forum who are actually banned. Once I realized taht I quit trying to login. It only helps them loo like they have more members.
By the way if anyone is on that can check. i’ll hit login. Then u can refresh and see if it shows me on bottom page on forum.

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 12:01 am

Posted by: Former NW Addict
Date: May 18, 2008 11:58 PM
what other forum??
Someone here mentioned starting up a forum just for the people that have been done wrong by NW. Becky’s site isn’t set up for all these comments and this style of posting is not the best.

kiarasmamaw May 19, 2008 at 12:01 am

just me ..you are probably banned. Once they banned me, it showed logged in PM disabled. Thats how it works. that way when you log in it will ahow your name on the forum as on and it will look like a lot of people are on the forum who are actually banned. Once I realized taht I quit trying to login. It only helps them loo like they have more members.
By the way if anyone is on that can check. i’ll hit login. Then u can refresh and see if it shows me on bottom page on forum.

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 12:02 am

Yes it shows u as being there, Kia. I also noticed it just went from 168 online to 15. Wow…

? May 19, 2008 at 12:04 am

shows you logged in kiarasmamaw. You me and 18 others

just me May 19, 2008 at 12:04 am

oh well.. got alot of people to leave there anyways…
no big flippen deal.. one of my referrals sis in law is still stupid enough to play.. will find out what crap goes on anyways.. and have made alot of friends and i can find out as welll..
hahaha just have to read over here.

ddriller May 19, 2008 at 12:05 am

Shows you logged on Kiaras

pkb143 May 19, 2008 at 12:05 am

kiaras – just logged into NWC (12:04 am CDT) and it showed you logged in. Your name was next to mine. I can’t understand why they haven’t banned me yet. Go figure.

Former NW Addict May 19, 2008 at 12:06 am

kiarasmamaw …I hit refresh- and you are still on!
there is only about 11 players in netlosercentral now

BBK May 19, 2008 at 12:07 am

can someone go check one of my comments and see if it says banned below my name ?
(badbadkitty)

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 12:08 am

Yes, BBK..it says banned :(

kiarasmamaw May 19, 2008 at 12:09 am

Thanks ?. I thought so. they are so darn good at what they do. So we that are banned need not to log in at all. Members that don’t we will see our names and consider US liars if we say we are banned. . I am deleting any pages in favorites that have anything to do with Netwinner. Just like we cancel our accounts but will still be in their database as members. Ban us from the forum but still show us as on. No dang wonder people think they have a bazillion members.

ddriller May 19, 2008 at 12:09 am

Shows you as banned BBK

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 12:09 am

I also think all the holly nics are gone. At least I don’t see them in the member list anymore.

Former NW Addict May 19, 2008 at 12:10 am

badbadkitty- yes you are banned

BBK May 19, 2008 at 12:10 am

wow , ok well at least now i know lol
too bad theres no way around that like a proxy or anything LMAO

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 12:11 am

kiaras, it still shows you as on. Are you still there?

just me May 19, 2008 at 12:12 am

lol poor bad kitty.. wonder how many more were banned tonight.

BBK May 19, 2008 at 12:14 am

another night like this one and it will just be the mods and butt sniffers .. i mean kissers

just me May 19, 2008 at 12:17 am

would like to find out if i am banned but don’t want to give my name..lol guess i am going to have to wait to find out.

kiarasmamaw May 19, 2008 at 12:21 am

Anonymous No I logged out as soon as ? said I was on

Former NW Addict May 19, 2008 at 12:25 am

your name would still be on unless you hit the refresh button

BBK May 19, 2008 at 12:25 am

I dont understand the whole point of banning us for things said here , they dont want us discussing their shortcomings on NWC , so we hang out here and vent .
And i do recall someone denying they were banning members for posting elsewhere .. though i should have been smart and blocked my name from my screenshots , i didnt see the need , i dont feel i have said or done anything wrong .. maybe now i can get some housework done LOL

Former NW Addict May 19, 2008 at 12:27 am

they probably think you create the fake holly names….who knows…

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 12:28 am

Well whether it matters or not I closed the page, went and did some laundry, came back, logged in and kiaras is still logged in to NWC.

just me May 19, 2008 at 12:28 am

bbk you are over at Bt right?

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 12:31 am

Y’all aren’t missing anything. There hasn’t been any new posts in quite some time. No worries :)

BBK May 19, 2008 at 12:32 am

I did think that they might think those are my names , but then why would i point them out .. and yes i am at BT same name :)
I set a record today , banned in 2 forums , ive never been banned in my life and im on dozens and dozens of forums lol

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 12:34 am

Hey anyone wanna send me an invite to BT? My email is
anonaymoose@hotmail.com
Thanks!

Former NW Addict May 19, 2008 at 12:35 am

I did think that they might think those are my names , but then why would i point them out .. and yes i am at BT same name :)
I set a record today , banned in 2 forums , ive never been banned in my life and im on dozens and dozens of forums lol
…you forgot that most of the current admin/mods are not to bright and who knows how their brains/minds work anyway. It’s hopeless….I always wondered why a website would have that kind of “help”. It’s unbelieveable.

kiarasmamaw May 19, 2008 at 12:36 am

You know the more members that get banned the mor I’m strting to dilike the members staynig there. how can they watch their friend get ousted 1 by 1 and just sit there. gotta be boring as all get out.

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 12:36 am

I think it’s pretty funny that they all got “promotions” while they were gone. Kinda makes you wonder what they were offered to stay…

just May 19, 2008 at 12:39 am

BBK you have mail at boomertowne.. lol

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 12:39 am

Thanks for the invite. And I love the nic you used for me… “Nonny” LOL

BBK May 19, 2008 at 12:39 am

Oh and please everyone dont forget to VOTE -Netweiner into the BT JAIL !!!!
Right now i got them at #1 , this week theyre going !!!

BBK May 19, 2008 at 12:43 am

Wonder if i signed back up as BannedBannedKitty , they would know who i was ?

kiarasmamaw May 19, 2008 at 12:43 am

Hey, next time one of you goes into the deadzone over there tell hardimer I said hi. tell her I would but I’m banned…lol

Jack May 19, 2008 at 12:44 am

Posted by: Former NW Addict
Date: May 19, 2008 12:35 AM
I did think that they might think those are my names , but then why would i point them out .. and yes i am at BT same name :)
I set a record today , banned in 2 forums , ive never been banned in my life and im on dozens and dozens of forums lol
…you forgot that most of the current admin/mods are not to bright and who knows how their brains/minds work anyway. It’s hopeless….I always wondered why a website would have that kind of “help”. It’s unbelieveable.
It is unbelievable who they have apparently made staff . None of them can put together a coherent sentence . Hardtimer posted here on one of the netwinner articles as anonymous . You could tell by her sentence structure ( actually her misuse ) and by her trying to use words that she has no idea of what they mean . She is truly pathetic .

just me May 19, 2008 at 12:50 am

Gathering my points at BT. On my way over to the jail to vote for them
BBK you are crazy.

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 12:59 am

K signed up. Trying to find my way around now. I am at my profile page. Is there anything I need to do first?

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 1:00 am

Also, how do I find you guys so I can add you to my Flist.

Rich May 19, 2008 at 1:01 am

I guess Hardtimer’s philosophy is “I was a player too, and they decided not to pay me my prizes, so I’ll just go to work for them and make sure I get paid, by ripping off tons of unsuspecting newbies that sign up…”

just me May 19, 2008 at 1:05 am

hey nonny. If you contact bbk in the profile section she knows who I am over there.. you can email her at BT
You are probably one of the last players and I am going to request friends right now so will probably get you.

BBK May 19, 2008 at 1:07 am

Nonny , you can click on profiles and search for us by name , then add us to your friends list .
I will send a list of things you can do to get pts to your email you gave me :)

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 1:10 am

Ok I will search for bbk.. thanks!

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 1:12 am

OK tyvm :)

kiarasmamaw May 19, 2008 at 1:15 am

Hey you can still get into netwinner chat.. I don’t want to but found it and checked and can get in. No one’s on anyway. They will probably do away with it too.

kiarasmamaw May 19, 2008 at 1:17 am

Going to bed kiddos. this old woman’s tired. hope tomorrow brings us some good news.

BBK May 19, 2008 at 1:22 am

Gnight everyone , im off too :)
Lets hope tommorrow brings us some good news !

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 19, 2008 at 3:23 am

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=178181638
Saw you guys posting Netwinner employee’s MySpace pages up top. The above is another one, Allen Dean or AD as he’s known at Netwinner. Allen’s also known as a Netwinner owner and Mike’s boss’ boss (Arion being Mike’s superior and owner of AdStreams.)
Some Netwinner toady will likely come here again and claim that’s not true. For those of you who’ve never seen a pic of him before or wanted to know more about him, you now have a face to put with the name…and more. All about Allen Dean:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/netwinner

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 19, 2008 at 3:29 am

Interesting information can also be found in these search results. I’d post more in-depth info about the links in the results but since my eye is doing a bit better today, I really should work on the forum with the time that I have right now. Here are the results though for those who are able to spend some time going through them to bone up on this guy:
http://www.google.com/search?q=netwinner%2Ballen+dean

Cynthia May 19, 2008 at 4:24 am

Try http://www.winster.com or http://www.worldwinner.com for games and prizes. These are much better than netwinner.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 19, 2008 at 5:32 am

Almost forgot… (Shame on me!)
Smokin’ video, pkb!

Becky May 19, 2008 at 7:33 am

I just have two seconds this morning (daughter’s end of the year school party today):
First, I got an email from an intern at the Consumerist this morning saying they will look into your complaints about NetWinner.
Second, PBK is doing an interview with me about his/her new video. Hope to have it posted this afternoon.
Third, leftie, I have all the respect in the world for you for being to my knowledge the one and only mod to step up and tell NW to shove it. I don’t, however, have any respect for SSAN or any partner site who continues to profit from NW despite NW’s refusal to pay its members. I have had the opportunity to look at the partner contract, and it says that partners who pull out lose any accumulated earnings that they haven’t been paid for. It’s my humble opinion that to these partners, sacrificing that money is more important than standing up for what’s right. Call me old-fashioned, but I think having a clear conscience is worth more than $200…or whatever amount they’re owed. Again, leftie, that’s my opinion of the partner sites and not of you. You’re an awesome chick with a backbone of steel. You rock. :)

Banned&Pissed May 19, 2008 at 7:54 am

Hi, guys… glad to see there’s freedom of expression here. Too much to read all at once but wanted to say 2 things. One- anyone who supports NW partners needs realize they are supporting NW as well. Two- Awesome video, pkb… the internet truly has changed the world.

? May 19, 2008 at 8:59 am

I read on another board that the games don’t have many ads running on them anymore. I wonder if the advertisers are leaving?
Also I am not banned over at nwc so i read it several times a day. I have noticed Mike has been absent all weekend and is still not logged in today. It seems like when ever he’s gone for a few days he come’s back with more bad news. Wondering whats going to happen now.

leftie May 19, 2008 at 9:24 am

What does banned mean.. Banned from posting on here or banned from playing at netwinner and their partner sites?
It means being banned from the forum, and you are only banned if you repeatedly break the rules or continually post the same thing over and over in many theads. The only place you are as restricted in posting like the above poster mistakenly stated is in the “NetWinner Serenity Lounge”. In there you can and will be banned for the first offense if you bash the forum, Mods, other players, etc. . . .
You are only banned from the game if you are caught cheating.
You have to be pretty nasty and aggressive, or have been warned several times for breaking rules to be banned from the forum. (except of course in the Serenity Thread)
Copied and pasted from the forum – very interesting – my hubby was banned and he never talks in there – more LIES to their credit

acsfl May 19, 2008 at 9:36 am

Very interesting indeed leftie. Just another case of their lying and BS. I was banned with NO warnings. Just posted one negative comment and bam, gone!

Banned&Pissed May 19, 2008 at 9:38 am

Wow… you all have done a great job of finding and posting all the avenues for complaint. I encourage anyone who got cheated by NW to use all of them. Although the Attorney General of North Carolina is the best chance of getting them punished in the full sense of the word, gtpboycott and ripoffreport are very important, not only because they warn new players, but also criminal investigators utilize those sites for info as well. I also would like to drive home the connection NW has with it’s partner sites- now that so many players are gone [and that # will increase as many more people go through the agony of figuring it out]; they really need those sites they screwed us to get.
I would also like to say to those who don’t understand the anger and sadness felt in relationship to the mods… IMO, the mods are, I would assume, the only reason so many people hung on for so long… long enough for NW to land all those partner sites that were added. And their [the mods] continued support for NW was painful for a lot of people who felt they were the player’s friends, who trusted them even when common sense told them they were getting screwed.
Lastly- Thank you, Becky for having the moral fortitude to choose right over money… and for giving everyone a place to touch base and see what they can do from here.

pkb143 May 19, 2008 at 9:42 am

Some can’t figure out why they’ve been banned. I can’t figure out why I HAVEN’T been…or at least I don’t think I have.

Jaymie May 19, 2008 at 9:45 am

I know, it’s strange how some people haven’t said too much and got banned and others have said quite a bit and are still there. No rhyme or reason.

kiarasmamaw May 19, 2008 at 10:08 am

I think they delete the negative post that they feel others may actually pay attention to. If you just badmouth them others may sure enough just think we are whiners. If your post make a lot of sense and your complaint is reasonable, they ban you. In other words, they ban us smart people…lol

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 10:37 am

Hey! I resemble that remark! Nah, I know what you mean. Of course, I have made quite a few posts that make sense and make people think. Mostly just to one person in particular who tends to be an easy target :)

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 10:41 am

Man it’s a ghost town in NWC. And most of the posts are by members with a “Banned” under their names. You knw people coming in just reading posts will notice that alot of the players have been banned and start wondering what is up.

kiarasmamaw May 19, 2008 at 10:45 am

Anonymous..actually that’s what I mean. When we say something they know they can’t answer honestly without admitting we are right. They ban us. Also Mike sometimes says things, insulting things. When you confront him on it, instead of an appolgy you get banned. So getting banned is like winning one of their raffles. Getting banned means we got to them. (We won the we arn’t A double S kissers raffle) Best prize I ever won.

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 10:46 am

Hey BBK..I sent you a friend request :) Anonaymoose is the name.

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 10:49 am

“You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life”.
Winston Churchill

Anonaymoose May 19, 2008 at 10:49 am

Ok, it’s time for Anonymous to come out of the closet, so to speak .lol.. I’m tired of being anonymous and want to be “distinguished” from all the other anonymouses out there. So everyone knows who I am, I am now Anonaymoose! (insert superhero entrance music here)

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 10:50 am

Oh sry, one more thing. Some have taken to calling me “Nonny”. If this is easier than typing out anonaymoose, that’s cool. Actually I kinda like it :)

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 11:01 am

Why hasn’t NW been added to the Boycott list yet? I’m sure they have enough complaints.

Banned&Pissed May 19, 2008 at 11:07 am

Why hasn’t NW been added to the Boycott list yet? I’m sure they have enough complaints.
__________________________________________________________
They have to investigate – quoted from their site-
Once ten complaints are received for a program, the GPTBoycott staff will formally review that program for boycott. In most cases, this eventually leads to that program being boycotted.

thecommittee May 19, 2008 at 11:14 am

Our combined efforts to submit complaints and post everywhere possible about the indignities suffered has to have seriously impaired their ability to function.
This could be completely irrelevant but then again it might not. According to federal sweepstakes guidelines, (which, by Netwinner’s own admission as recorded in the TOS they describe their program as being):
1. A sweepstakes is a promotional device in which prizes are offered to participants selected on a random basis.
And
2. Once the official rules are published and posted, they must be followed exactly and cannot be changed during the course of the promotion, except under extreme and unusual circumstances. In addition to the official rules, any advertisement or promotional mention of the sweepstakes should be reviewed for consistency with the rules and to avoid consumer misimpressions about any aspect of the promotion.
As quoted from: http://www.ennsandarcher.com/s_basics.html
There are many other stipulations, rules, laws and guidelines that apply to sweepstakes but the above may be of special interest to the FTC and the NCAG since it’s well documented that Netwinner has modified the terms repeatedly. While Netwinner strays from the traditional sweepstakes format, we can reasonably assume that promoters cannot arbitrarily decide to use some rules and not others and some elements and not others. In any event, it might be worthwhile to emphasize these findings in our complaints.
NOTE: The AG can also determine if, in North Carolina, prizes exceeding a certain amount must be bonded and/or insured.

Former NW Addict May 19, 2008 at 11:19 am

people- I find it interesting that when you login and logout of Netlosercentral….your name remains!!! I double checked by having my hubby log in and my name was still at the bottom of Netloser!!! Even if I log off and refresh….it remains there. In the past, it would actually log off. It appears I bet that they are keeping the names on so that it appears people are on netlosercentral. ummmmmmmm

shellbear May 19, 2008 at 11:28 am

wth, what is going on with all these bans
most of my griper buddies are here (except for the few chameleons that change when it suits them)
mike sure must be running scared to just keep banning people right and left … must mean we did something right

kiarasmamaw May 19, 2008 at 11:33 am

Former NW Addict …Yeas we figured that out last night. I had them test it with me. I logged in, Of course I couldn’t get to the forum, It shows us on the login page as logged in but PMs diabled. We can’t get to the forum because we are banned but a lot of the members will think we are. Netwinner is very very smart at trickery.

thecommittee May 19, 2008 at 11:35 am

Just a brief history about the GPTBoycott site. It’s basically become as obsolete as an Atari game. Over the past several years, hundreds of known PTR scams have slipped through their fingers like dry sand on a windy day while only a select few have been listed. The reasons for that are varied and complicated. Some of the moderators had been big builders, friends with or somehow involved with PTR sites that ended up scamming members. Some sites never received the proper amount of complaints and some received the complaints but one or two complaints had to be refused if they were disputed or not worded right. At times, there were disagreements from within which led to lengthy time lapses of reports being reviewed, and the fact that Lucidity Hosting also [knowingly] hosted many scam sites while also hosting GPTBoycott has been a major conflict of interest for years. So, while it’s good to get the word out anywhere and everywhere possible, don’t put too much credence in GPTBoycott.

kiarasmamaw May 19, 2008 at 11:36 am

yep shellbear, we did. lol

Former NW Addict May 19, 2008 at 11:41 am

From what I have been reading all over….and also during the past while playing the games, being active in the forums, contests….I always had a “gut feelling” that Netloser will not last. I could not believe how things were expressed by the head moderator and most of the mods. Games were “glitchy”….so, they say. Don’t believe it for a min and still don’t. That goes for the so-called raffle drawings as well. Like a badly run merry-go-around with clowns riding.
I hope someone- BBB…whoever…..does something and shuts these clowns down.

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 11:42 am

we all need some kind of chatroom or forum where we can all go to
does anyone know where we can go to talk??

kiarasmamaw May 19, 2008 at 11:45 am

Just checked th chat for netwinner. No one ws in there last night or today. I bet they have been ordered not to go in chat.

kiarasmamaw May 19, 2008 at 11:54 am

BOBT1956 is in there now. It;s starting to fill up is in there now.

kiarasmamaw May 19, 2008 at 11:55 am

LOl they probably read the post about needing a chat and were afraid we would use theirs…lol

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 11:59 am

Besides..who stays in BETA for years, and doesn’t fix it?

Anonaymoose May 19, 2008 at 12:01 pm

ROFLMAO! Yea..like we could use it anyway. Remember..it’s in BETA and it’s glitchy. So why would we want to use it?

BBK May 19, 2008 at 12:22 pm

Good Morning everyone !
Someone was working on a forum of our very own , hopefully we will see that soon .
Until then we could go to BT and make us a chatroom ?
I wont be around for most of this afternoon ( hubby is in town) but i will be along this evening .
Nonny , thanks for adding me as a friend , i tried to figure out who you was last night on BT but i had 40+ friend invites and had no idea which one was you LOL none were named moose or nonny !
I did get a reply from Ben Popken over at consumerist about our banning on that forum , and he simply said ” sorry i will look into it ”
hopefully that means he will check Ips and see we are not one person but MANY :)
we are the Band of the Banned !

Anonaymoose May 19, 2008 at 12:26 pm

Sorry, guess I should have said more, but there were a few people that came up when I typed your nic from here into the search and I didn’t want to approach the wrong person.
Yea, it’s anonaymoose :)

kiarasmamaw May 19, 2008 at 12:26 pm

You know. I would love to know what tinblue is doing these days? We could sure use her backbone. She never ever backed down.

Anonaymoose May 19, 2008 at 12:29 pm

Wow! I just checked my BT page and I have 6 pages of friend requests! Wonder how many are from here? Everyone plz stand up if you sent me a friend request. The rest I haven’t heard of, but am investigating them LOL!
Makes you wonder if some of them are from you-know-where :)

BBK May 19, 2008 at 12:31 pm

so true Kiarasmawmaw , there were a few others from there that i will miss seeing there posts … hopefully more of them find us … maybe we could start a group on myspace , or once we get the forum going , we are going to need to get it out there and let everyone know where we are at ..

BBK May 19, 2008 at 12:33 pm

Nonny , there may be some but on BT you get pts for requesting someone as a friend , and for accepting a friend , so you will get thousands of friends requests … its a good thing trust me LOL

Anonaymoose May 19, 2008 at 12:34 pm

Ahh..ok thanks for clearing that up BBK.

Anonaymoose May 19, 2008 at 12:39 pm

Well lemme ask you this. I set my profile to private. Would I Still get this many friend requests? I thought setting it to private meant noone could see it but the ones you let see it?

BBK May 19, 2008 at 12:41 pm

What private means is that no one can see your profile info until you accept them as a friend , i think you will likely get just as much either way , 6 pages is pretty good for less than a day , thats 600 pts :)

Anonaymoose May 19, 2008 at 12:43 pm

Ah ok. Guess I am being paranoid. LOL! And, my friend request to you still says pending, btw :)

NWRefugee May 19, 2008 at 12:54 pm

I sent friend requests to both of you…. I’m a refugee and would like to stay informed. Anyone who would like to send me a friend request my nic there is Wrenna.

acsfl May 19, 2008 at 12:54 pm

Anonymous said:
“You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life”.
Winston Churchill
Hey, did you get that quote from BT???? I posted that one yesterday! I was thinking of NW when I found it!

? May 19, 2008 at 12:54 pm

Ok, I’m coming clean. I am hippigypsy over at nwc. Seeing as I’m pretty sure they will ban me today for my last post “where’s waldo”
Pi**ed off Vix for sure. I am so sick of the whole lot of them I could just puke!
You can find me at bt under the same name. I am on my way to file with all the folks Becky recommended.They can rot for all I care.

Anonaymoose May 19, 2008 at 12:56 pm

K wrenna, I approved all of my friend requests just now :)

NWRefugee May 19, 2008 at 12:57 pm

I sent friend requests to both of you…. I’m a refugee and would like to stay informed. Anyone who would like to send me a friend request my nic there is Wrenna.

Anonaymoose May 19, 2008 at 12:57 pm

Well looks like you just got an answer..Mike has posted in your thread. Vague as usual

hippigypsy May 19, 2008 at 1:03 pm

I saw his comment. More smoke and mirrors. If i didn’t know better i would think he was a snake oil salesman. Or maybe just a snake in the grass.

acsfl May 19, 2008 at 1:05 pm

Holy Cow… I wasn’t paying attention and had 130 friend requests! oops.

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 1:18 pm

“You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life”.
Winston Churchill
Hey, did you get that quote from BT???? I posted that one yesterday! I was thinking of NW when I found it!
No,acsfl.. I got it from a friend [woodsdweller]. She may have gotten it from BT, though. That’s too funny!

acsfl May 19, 2008 at 1:22 pm

I sure thought the quote was VERY appropriate for what we’ve been through with NWC!

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 1:29 pm

I sure thought the quote was VERY appropriate for what we’ve been through with NWC!
Me too, acsfl :o ) I was complaining to woodsdweller about how some of the people there really turned on us since she got banned and she sent it to me.

Anonaymoose May 19, 2008 at 2:05 pm

K tried to find the answer myself, but how do I send invites to my friends at BT?

just me May 19, 2008 at 2:06 pm

Go into bt points referrals, send referrals.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 19, 2008 at 2:42 pm


Posted by: Anonymous
Date: May 19, 2008 11:42 AM
we all need some kind of chatroom or forum where we can all go to
does anyone know where we can go to talk??”"
A forum is being created just for you! :)
Posted by: kiarasmamaw
Date: May 19, 2008 11:45 AM
Just checked th chat for netwinner. No one ws in there last night or today. I bet they have been ordered not to go in chat.

Be advised that whatever you say in there can be pulled up on logs and viewed by Netwinner staff, admins and mods via the saved log information. Just want you guys to know that before you go in there. The chat room is also run by Shelly.

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 3:09 pm

Are you a current or old mod? You seem to know alot about who runs what.. lol

hippigypsy May 19, 2008 at 3:15 pm

Well they locked my waldo thread. lol hardtimer says this is already being discussed in the Letter from the president so I’m locking this thread. I sent her a pm instead of mike like she suggested. Here is what I said.
Thanks hardtimer for the suggested thread. But after going there and seeing it is the thread about the Netwinner letter from the president i do not see how this fits what i asked. I don’t think you needed to lock the thread but I am not surprised at all. If I hurt your feelings I am sorry, but what goes around comes around and my feelings have been stomped on by netwinner.
As for having a better day tomorrow…..I’m not having a bad day today, I’m just tired of the run around game you people play. Have a great day. hippi:)

leftie May 19, 2008 at 3:30 pm

Well looks like e1 is making their way over to BT – I joined back in Feb – wish I had of been spending my time over there all along – would be a much richer woman – lol. Add me as friend over there (leftie) and don’t forget to vote to put netwinner in jail there either. Got hubby (glennie) in there now too.

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 3:38 pm

Anyone read the terms of service thread? If you didn’t block their e-mails before the changes and they got to your inbox or had any daily raffle entries which were not drawn daily or logged in to their site they say you agreed to the changes.

Aaron May 19, 2008 at 3:41 pm

“they say you agreed to the changes”
Except they change the TOS so often and don’t inform people about it that it really means nothing.

hippigypsy May 19, 2008 at 3:44 pm

I already friended you leftie. You just didn’t notice.

leftie May 19, 2008 at 3:57 pm

I would think their multiple amended TOS means squat to the older members as they are not the TOS we agreed to when we signed up and they should have been sending out notices of TOS changes so we could decide at that time if we still wanted to be a member of the site. You can’t just change a contract without informing all people involved.

leftie May 19, 2008 at 3:58 pm

OK thx hippigypsy – will to the accept tomorrow. Got my points for today – lol.

hippigypsy May 19, 2008 at 4:03 pm

K. maybe we already are friends and i just didn’t notice. LOL. I keep digging it deeper over at nwc. It won’t be long now. I’m sure I’m irritating a few folks over there. rofl.

leftie May 19, 2008 at 4:08 pm

We love news over here – I did get one post sent to me about banning people – was just more of their lies

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 19, 2008 at 4:13 pm

The things I post are common knowledge as I’m sure other old-timers can attest to also. :)

hippigypsy May 19, 2008 at 4:16 pm

Everything I have posted there was truth. The only thing close to a jab was my where’s waldo question referring to Mike. But he deserves it. lol

leftie May 19, 2008 at 4:18 pm

Silly hippi – he’s at the store getting more oil – might get new members somehow and he used all the oil he had screwing us

hippigypsy May 19, 2008 at 4:22 pm

ROFLMAO That’s probable true. How foolish to bite the hand that feeds you.

Wrenna May 19, 2008 at 4:31 pm

Hey I had an idea. I created a yahoo group so we could all get together and discuss this without being a pain here. Everyone come and join if you like:
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/NetwinnerRefugees/
To the moderator, if its not ok to post the link feel free to delete.

Former NW Addict May 19, 2008 at 5:24 pm

from the Mickey Mouse Netloser Club forum:
posted by mamawarmandfuzzy……..
It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside to know you all decided to stay with us.
Where is e1? Any more news re: BBB responses, etc? I still have not received a response from the NC BBB and it has been almost 1 week.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 19, 2008 at 5:26 pm

Hey folks,
I’ve got the new forum finished. There was so much to do in the creation of this forum from scratch that it took me awhile to get everything the way I think it will work best for everyone. One-eyed while doing it to boot, because of my recent eye surgery. In any event, the forum itself is now finished.
All I’ve got left to do is hammer out and post the rules. Once that’s done, look for a link to the new forum here. I hope you all enjoy it once it’s up. :)

justlee May 19, 2008 at 5:32 pm

Hey all..its Not hard to guess who I am ;) ..and I am justlee at BT too!!.
Having a forum or chat of our own is a great idea..poor becky must be overwelmed by trying to keep up with this lol..
I am making bets on how long it will be before the whole NW hame plan blows up..might take awhile tho..but I say the first week of June and there will be nothing left of NWC but the crying.
Oh and I would Love to tell Mike what he can do with his oil.And it has nothing to do with tickets But alot to do with a point.;-P

ann May 19, 2008 at 5:49 pm

I found this online:
Registrant:
AdStreams
105 East Morehead Drive Charlotte, NC 28202
,
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: NETWINNER.COM
Created on: 21-Apr-03
Expires on: 21-Apr-09
Last Updated on: 04-Aug-06
Administrative Contact:
, arion.hardison@adstreams.com
AdStreams
Arion Hardison 105 East Morehead Drive Charlotte, NC 28202
,
United States
(704)302-1920
Technical Contact:
, arion.hardison@adstreams.com
AdStreams
Arion Hardison 105 East Morehead Drive Charlotte, NC 28202
,
United States
(704)302-1920
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.CARO.NET
NS2.CARO.NET
Registry Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Registry Status: clientRenewProhibited
Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Status: clientUpdateProhibited

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 6:22 pm

what is BT???

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 6:23 pm

how can i post a pic on here? i got a cool pic hehehe

acsfl May 19, 2008 at 6:25 pm

BT is Boomertowne.com
Not sure if you can post a pic here. but, if you load it to photobucket or something and post the link, we could look at it.

ANON May 19, 2008 at 6:27 pm

Does anyone know anything about http://www.freemoneyforum.org?

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Jack May 19, 2008 at 6:30 pm

This was posted at netwinner central in the NetGripeWinner thread by T0tallyCrazy4U . Kind of says it all , doesn’t it ?
“I’m sorta new to the forum. I post here and there, but I’m just getting the “swing” of things. The forum is alot more entertaining and productive that the actual game these days LOL But I’ve got a question… I notice that so many threads get locked and the OP’s are told not to start multiple threads of the same topic. There’s also alot of editing. Is there a practical reason for this?? Is this easier for the mods or something?? It seems like it’s usually when someone is unhappy…and all unhappiness is to be corralled in this thread. Why?? What difference does it make?? I’ve been apart of a mom’s message board for 6 years now, and I don’t understand what difference it makes who posts what where?? And why are there SO many people in place to monitor every word uttered on this forum…I don’t get that either. There aren’t many answers for the actual problems…but there’s plenty of people to lock, erase, and edit the posts as fast as they can be posted. What is the point?? I’m not trying to start anything, I’m just wondering if there is an actual, factual, legitimate, logical, practical explanation for all of it?? ”

kiarasmamaw May 19, 2008 at 6:35 pm

Have my granddaughter Kiara today so not on much. I knew about the chat room. I knew it was run by netwinner. I’m not one bit worried about Netwinner knowing what I say tho. If I actually wanted to chat in there I’d say what I wanted to until I was banned. They know what we say everywhere anyway.
About emails from Netwinner. I never got one myself. I read it from the one Becky posted here. I haven’t recieved emails from them in a long long time.

Dennis Gleeson May 19, 2008 at 6:39 pm

Jast an FYI: Just got a MyPoints® BonusMail™ just now for wingascard.com, a Netwinner site to for chances to win Exxon gas.

Anonaymoose May 19, 2008 at 6:52 pm

Just posted by Mike:
For what it is worth…
We do remove these posts most of the time. These will be removed as well, i am sure.
However, they are not ingored. I read them all. I feel them. I am sad by them. I hope we are able to make up for what has happened down the road. The company hears all the players voices.
I need to tend to the forum, but we are not trying to burry or hide anything. We just want to survive if we can. I think we will.
Yea…right :(

ann May 19, 2008 at 6:57 pm

I also got the email from my points with the link to the gas card offer. I emailed my points about what netwinner has done to it’s members and removed our processing awards, etc. I have also emailed a couple other sites that have advertised on netloser that I am a member of telling them about this too.

thecommittee May 19, 2008 at 6:58 pm

Thanks for that info, Dennis. All the more reason we need to keep the pressure on.
Hey all, for those who haven’t sent in a complaint to the N.C. Attorney General, here’s the pdf form to print out. It’s really easy. The information you need can be found on Becky’s blog.
PDF FORM: http://www.ncdoj.com/DocumentStreamerClient?directory=Forms/&file=stancom.pdf
BECKY’S BLOG: http://comparerewards.blogspot.com
Even though it may be a hassle to fill it out and get it sent in, remember, yours might be that one last complaint needed to initiate action.
We’re doing great!! Keep up the good work, everyone!!!

acsfl May 19, 2008 at 6:58 pm

we are not trying to burry or hide anything
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Give me a bloody break. The newbie may buy it for a bit, but they will soon catch on.

leftie May 19, 2008 at 7:04 pm

I need to tend to the forum, but we are not trying to burry or hide anything. We just want to survive if we can. I think we will
Yeah right – maybe they beginning to realize their boat is sinking – let’s keep adding weight and sink it faster

thecommittee May 19, 2008 at 7:14 pm

Good job, Ann!
If we all try to go that extra mile when we see the opportunity, we’ll succeed in watching the Net-tanic sink to the bottom of the internet floor.
I don’t know about anyone else but it galls me to no end to read some of their incredibly annoying posts and acting as if THEY are the victims! After watching this entire charade take place for months, one can only conclude that we’re dealing with some very warped, twisted individuals. Dangerous as one but a total disaster for innocent, trusting consumers when they collaborate.

leftie May 19, 2008 at 7:22 pm

Can someone check the winners section of the contests – did I win – did I win??

Rich May 19, 2008 at 7:24 pm

Yes leftie, you won 1,000,000 points, however points on Netwinner as of tomorrow will be worth exactly the same amount as the points given away on Whose Line is it Anyway.

Chris May 19, 2008 at 7:26 pm

I’ve sent my complaint to the better business a few days ago even offered them a deal that I would accept half of the $200 they owe. So far no response from Netscam. They have till friday to respond. Haven’t decided where to go next if they don’t. Sunshine rewards posted on there forum when this happened that she doesn’t like what they did but will continue being affiliated with them. Now any complaint there gets deleted.

leftie May 19, 2008 at 7:34 pm

Well Rich that would be alot of entries for the oil

John D May 19, 2008 at 7:52 pm

Has anyone noticed an up tick in their spam mail lately

kiarasmamaw May 19, 2008 at 7:54 pm

Actually John D. I just checked mail and had more spam than ever. Why? Whats up?

kiarasmamaw May 19, 2008 at 8:07 pm

Anonaymoose..u still able to login to NWC?

kiarasmamaw May 19, 2008 at 8:13 pm

leftie, if u win the oil come to my house. We will lay out in the sun and tan. Of course I’m 53 and may scare my neighborst to death.

leftie May 19, 2008 at 8:17 pm

I didn’t enter my points in any of their draws – being banned they put probably draw again and not let us win – but the oil is for them not us – lol

BBK May 19, 2008 at 8:29 pm

So they are trying to say that logging into our account on NW is acceptance of the new TOS ? do they know how fast thats going to get thrown out .. being that you have no other way of knowing about the TOS other than thru the website , which in all the times ive played has NEVER let me know that the TOS have changed from what i originally agreed upon , and i do know that doing this is vital becuase many other sites will make you re-agree to the new TOS before you can log in .
And im not entering into any of their snake oil draws either , because quite simply i want what i was promised , not no funky hocus pocus raffle tickets

BBK May 19, 2008 at 8:30 pm

So they are trying to say that logging into our account on NW is acceptance of the new TOS ? do they know how fast thats going to get thrown out .. being that you have no other way of knowing about the TOS other than thru the website , which in all the times ive played has NEVER let me know that the TOS have changed from what i originally agreed upon , and i do know that doing this is vital becuase many other sites will make you re-agree to the new TOS before you can log in .
And im not entering into any of their snake oil draws either , because quite simply i want what i was promised , not no funky hocus pocus raffle tickets

BBK May 19, 2008 at 8:30 pm

awwww geeez that damn double post bug got me :(

ann May 19, 2008 at 8:33 pm

At least it’s only a double. When I first posted here I had a triple. Now I know just wait and not click twice. Now to find a real double.

acsfl May 19, 2008 at 8:34 pm

I agree with you BBK. If the TOS changes, then I should be notified when I try to log in. You can’t say because I logged in, aha, gotcha, you just signed away your first-born.
And I’m not wasting my points on their raffles that I’m sure will conveniently be won my their happy, smily, butt-kissing, sunshine-up-your-butt cronies. I too want what I’m owed. I’m hanging on to them to see what transpires.
Anybody remember though how long before your acct becomes inactive and you lose everything? Was it 180 days? If so, we’ve got a while to see how this plays out. But, then again, that may have changed by now too!

hippigypsy May 19, 2008 at 8:35 pm

Well it’s official I am now on the banned players list. Everything I posted was mild and without name calling. But I really don’t care. I was gonna file complaints with every agency under the sun anyway. They pushed my buttons for sure.

Anonaymoose May 19, 2008 at 8:35 pm

Yes, kiaras, I can still get in. Whatcha need?

Anonaymoose May 19, 2008 at 8:36 pm

Um..uh oh. I just checked and it says PM Disabled…ack

leftie May 19, 2008 at 8:37 pm

Yes believe it was 180 days without activity for account to be closed – but they change everything to suit their needs. I did not buy raffle tickets, just a joke about win the oil and give to them so when they screw the new people that might join (thinking play for points to enter raffles is great) they won’t be so hard on them.

acsfl May 19, 2008 at 8:38 pm

ruh roh Anonaymoose. What did you say????

leftie May 19, 2008 at 8:38 pm

Yes believe it was 180 days without activity for account to be closed – but they change everything to suit their needs. I did not buy raffle tickets, just a joke about win the oil and give to them so when they screw the new people that might join (thinking play for points to enter raffles is great) they won’t be so hard on them.

Anonaymoose May 19, 2008 at 8:39 pm

LOL! I don’t know. I was just kinda agreeing with all the others. Guess they see that as a threat..LOL!

hippigypsy May 19, 2008 at 8:44 pm

You know come to think of it I never got any porn spam until the last month or so. Wonder if the porn kings have something to do with it. Banned but will never let them forget me. Hell hath no fury like a hippi scorned! lol

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 19, 2008 at 8:47 pm

Your new forum folks…
http://www.freepowerboards.com/theopenforum/index.php I hope everyone enjoys it!
Please read the rules before posting. :)

Anonaymoose May 19, 2008 at 8:48 pm

I bet when Mike decided he had to “work on the forums” earlier, he probably banned my nic.

hippigypsy May 19, 2008 at 8:49 pm

This is what started the ban ball rolling for me. Thought those who had not been able to get in would get a kick out of it. Enjoy
Ding- Dong…….karma calling. Glad I’m not in the hot seat. Mike, your butt warm yet.?
bubble, bubble, toil, and trubble.
they gave back the points and now they are double.
We sit and we stir and we add a few treats
some sage and some wormwood with a few little feets.
Wolfsbane, and chokecherries, now in the pot
as we stir and stir the seat will get hot.
We call on the Goddess Bridget to our side
to take care of business on those who have lied.
We played by your rules and have nothing to hide
Things would have been fine if you just hadn’t lied.
Now back to the pot, the fire is hot,
the Goddess is coming, this is your last shot.
Do the right thing and pay what is owed
or it will be time that you reap what you’ve sowed.
what do you say to an angry witch……
ribbit, ribbit!:P
Bridget-If the people she approaches refuse to help her, they may find themselves with a bad string of luck afterwards. If they help, they might find the opposite.
Bright blessings to all, with luck on your side.
I truly am sorry to you they have lied. hippi:(

Anonaymoose May 19, 2008 at 8:50 pm

Of course, not hard to figure out who I am considering I used my real name on my BT account. That’s why I asked earlier about whether or not your profile shows even if you only have it set to private. I bet one of my new “friends” is one of their “friends”…

Anonaymoose May 19, 2008 at 8:55 pm

Wooohooo!!!! Awesome You’reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay! Thank you SO much for the sweet new forum!!!
Registered with my same nic as here :) BTW..the image in the top left of the pages isn’t coming up for me. It’s showing as a red x.

Rich May 19, 2008 at 9:06 pm

Alright, I registered for the new forum too. Just wanted to give another thanks to Becky for providing us ousted Netwinnerites with a temporary home for venting until the new forum was set up. I will continue to come on CR often, but at least now we don’t have to tie up your server! =)

kiarasmamaw May 19, 2008 at 9:10 pm

Just joined the new forum. Like the layout.

Anonymous May 19, 2008 at 9:13 pm

Yes, thank you, Becky! :) Your site has been a tremendous resource for all the people that were SCAMMED by Netloser! I know that any new people visiting for the first time will find a wealth of great information. I for one will still stop by just to check out your news and reviews of other sites. I know from this experience that you are one awesome journalist with a nose for the truth.
Thanks again Becky!

pkb143 May 19, 2008 at 9:14 pm

I just registered, too! thanks very much for your work on this. I’m still checking this site every 15 minutes or so tonight waiting for Becky to put up my video and interview.
I’m also registered on BT – add me, everyone! I just figured all that out today and realized I had over 300 friend requests (I joined in late April and just never checked it). LOL …too many other things going on.
***Thanks again, Becky! You’ve been right all along. Call me “sadder but wiser.”

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 19, 2008 at 9:21 pm

Glad you like the new forum :)
http://www.freepowerboards.com/theopenforum/index.php
I’ve been working on the new forum all day and need to take a break now. If you sign up but don’t receive your confirmation email that shows your account as active for awhile, don’t worry. I’ll be back to make sure all awaiting user registrations get properly processed through the system. :) Just hang out and don’t reregister. I’ll getcha.

Anonaymoose May 19, 2008 at 9:22 pm

Hey, PKB..what’s ur nic on BT? I tried PKB but it said No friends found with that name.

Anonaymoose May 19, 2008 at 9:23 pm

DUH..nvm found you :)

Becky May 19, 2008 at 9:41 pm

Shutting down this post to new comments due to size… Latest NetWinner-related post is located here:
http://www.comparerewards.com/archives/004556.html
New site visitors looking for where to complain about your NW earnings being taken away? Visit this master list of resources:
http://comparerewards.blogspot.com/
Non-NW-moderated YahooGroup:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NetwinnerRefugees/?yguid=139444953
Non-NW-moderated NetWinner forum:
http://www.freepowerboards.com/theopenforum/index.php
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