“Get a Life,” Says NetWinner

May 13, 2008 · 825 comments

I wanted to share with you one of the comments left on my blog just minutes ago. “Get a life,” it said. Here’s the comment and please note the IP address from which it was left: http://www.comparerewards.com/getalife.jpg
I plugged in that IP address to find out where the comment originated from, and guess who left it?: http://www.comparerewards.com/netwinnercomment.jpg

Yes. NetWinner. This was not a volunteer mod, this was an employee of NetWinner posting from NetWinner’s headquarters, on NetWinner’s own IP address in Charlotte, NC. One day after announcing to its members that it would not be paying them what they owed, they tell the complainers to “get a life.”
Adding insult to injury… as if the comments left last night by forum moderator Cuffedaddy weren’t bad enough, calling the NetWinner members, some of whom lost hundreds of dollars, “a bunch of people whining cause they lost nothing but a little bit of time they were not forced into playing anything.” He continued on urging complainers to “grow up…Im not crying over something free,” and “Honestly what have you people lost but time????”
These responses were left anonymously by another NetWinner forum moderator, lisa6948146: “You all seriously need to get a job…do any of you losers have jobs apparently not…It only takes a foot in front of another to get your a$$ away from your computer and get a job and get a paycheck.” Proof that she was the anonymous poster is in a lookup of all comments left from her IP address — see them here and the most recent ones she left are here.
I’m freezing my post about NetWinner from yesterday and asking that you continue commenting here. The blog software isn’t really set up for having over 500 comments on one post and this is resulting in some errors including post duplication. Hopefully a fresh post will fix this.
If you leave a comment and get an error, please refresh the page to see if your comment was posted before resubmitting it; thanks!
Now, I’ll step out of the way and let the discussion continue.

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Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 12:26 pm

Ok, I tried to post this on the other thread but it wasn’t open for comments anymore so..
The NWC says it’s “down for maintainance” but it’s not. You can get there by going here:
http://www.netwinnercentral.com/view_category.php?id=6
Once there, the other forums open wide for you. Have fun :)

Alex May 13, 2008 at 12:32 pm

(continued from: http://www.comparerewards.com/archives/004548.html)
Anonymous said:
“You are all upset because you didn’t get something for free? Are you all going to now file a lawsuit against popups for lkying because you wern’t the “1,000,000″ visitor and you want your $25 gift card to walmart. Get a life.”
Okay, but we are all on the same page that NW is a scam, just like those popups? (also, popups are usually include a * or etc and its not backed by a TOS)
And it is not all about the money. It is also about making scam sites go out of business, so that they won’t scam others. Or give reputable sites a bad name in the industry.
Anonymous said:
“Your right but lets use math since everyone here is so fond of it. Playing netwinner = possible win. Not playing = no chance for a win
Last time I checked, 1 in 100 is still larger than 0.”
0.99999999~ = 1
thus 0.000000000000000~1 = 0
If a company canceled payments. There is no proof they did not rig the wins. See if they were to sort out who cheated and who didn’t and pay them and afterwards did the change, that would have been different then doing what they did. At this point, NW is a SCAM period. Thus deserves what it deserves.
Why does it even matter to you if we whine or not?

thecommittee May 13, 2008 at 12:32 pm

Thank you Becky. An attempt was made to post the following information earlier but the post failed to go through.
See this article entitled “But is it Gambling?”:
http://rose.casinocitytimes.com/articles/997.html
Every jurisdiction has the right to define the three elements of gambling, Consideration, Prize and Chance, any way it sees fit.
1) Consideration usually means players must pay something of value to be eligible to participate.
2) Prize includes not only money, but anything of value.
3) Chance means the outcome is not determined by skill.
Notice that the Californie Supreme Court ruled that “consideration requires paying money for the chance to win.”

indivisible (with liberty and justice) May 13, 2008 at 12:39 pm

(repeating the last post in the other thread)
I just received this email from the BBB and thought others should know. I believe this was/is a case of fraud. I was “hired” by netwinner to do a job (IE: play the game and watch/click ads). I did my job without cheating or deception and deserved the “pay” as agreed upon. If any other place had done this they would have been shut down immediately and all assets frozen and or sold and used as payments made to those owed. Netwinner can change their site to all raffles, that is within their rights. However they cannot get away with not paying for services rendered in the past. Please everyone, file with the BBB in charlotte and with the FTC and the Atty General. Thank you Becky for allowing us a place to meet and discuss our options!!
Thank you for contacting the Better Business Bureau. Your complaint was received by the Bureau on May 12, 2008.
Your complaint has been applied to the following business:
Netwinner LLC
1427 South Blvd Ste 200
Charlotte, NC 28203-4261
The case has been reviewed and has now been forwarded to the business for their response. This business has until May 27, 2008 to respond to your complaint. You may contact our office after May 27, 2008 to check the status of your complaint.
We encourage you to use our ONLINE COMPLAINT system to keep up with the progress of this complaint. To view the details of your case please go to the following website address: http://www.charlotte.bbb.org/.
Sincerely,
Hilda T. Cohen
Dispute Resolution Specialist
BBB Complaint Department
hcohen@charlotte.bbb.org

thecommittee May 13, 2008 at 12:45 pm

I believe cuffedaddy and several other reps has provided everyone with a glowing example of what kinds of things to look for when joining other money-making ventures. Are they polite and considerate or mean-spirited, rude and condescending? Do they treat others with dignity or do they habitually talk down and insult others?
Put these people’s personalities in your memory banks and watch for it when browsing the internet. Shady, crooked thugs are everywhere and scammish programs cannot get off the ground without utilizing the help of self-centered, opportunistic people.

Rich May 13, 2008 at 12:49 pm

California is probably more liberal than North Carolina though. Many people equate time with great value, so a reasonable arguement could be made that sitting at a computer screen for hours watching advertisements to the enrichment of the company could easily be considered the same as paying money. Not to mention at the time of redemptions, points were worth money, albeit a fraction of a penny, and the same points could be used to enter raffles which made their raffles illegal under North Carolina statutes.
I just posted on NW forum, asking Mike or a staff member to comment on paying bribes to keep some members quiet, I’m sure the post will be deleted or if they do respond I hold no credibility to their answer.
Thank you Becky, for allowing us to vent and exercise our free speech!

update on NC DOJ complaint info May 13, 2008 at 12:50 pm

ok, I went to the link for the nc dept of justice and couldn’t get the pdf to open. I went to their home pg and it gave these directions:
Read these guidelines:
http://www.ncdoj.com/consumerprotection/cp_complaints_instructions.jsp
(it wants a copy of the terms of service- it matters what they were when you cashed in your “reward” NOT NOW it is not retroactive!)
then here is the link for the complaint:
http://www.ncdoj.com/DocumentStreamerClient?directory=Forms/&file=CONSUMER.pdf (pdf version)
other info from their site states:
“About the Consumer Protection Division of Attorney General Roy Cooper
- The Consumer Protection Division of the Attorney General’s Office enforces North
Carolina’s consumer protection laws, which are aimed at preventing unfair or deceptive
trade practices.
- One means we use to learn about such practices is through “consumer complaints” filed
with the office. Thank you for taking the time to complete the complaint form.
What Happens to Your Complaint Once We Receive It?
- Once we receive the complaint form along with supporting documents, it will be reviewed
and in most cases forwarded to the business complained about for response. You will
receive copies of all correspondence. We will work with you and the business to try to
reach a voluntary resolution of your dispute.
- If the complaint falls within the jurisdiction of another local, state or federal agency, we may
refer your complaint to that agency.
- If we handle your complaint and are not successful in negotiating a mutually satisfactory
resolution, then we may suggest that you consider filing an action in Small Claims Court or
consulting with a private attorney. Certain complaints that involve contractual disputes or
disputes of the facts can only be resolved by the courts.
- Although we try to assist all consumers, the fact that we may not be able to directly assist
you does not reflect on the validity of your complaint. Each complaint, however, remains a
part of our cumulative files and may be useful to other consumers. It will help us to monitor
questionable business practices and to determine priorities in our enforcement efforts and
legislative recommendations.
Important Information
- This office does not have the authority to give private legal advice or provide private legal
representation to individual consumers.
- This office generally does not become involved in matters that are scheduled or have
already been heard in a court of law or have already been closed by the agency with proper
jurisdiction.
- When you submit your complaint, please ensure that you include legible COPIES of
supporting documents you may have. Such documents include contracts, invoices,
receipts, correspondence, etc. Please do NOT send originals. If you fail to send existing
supporting documents it may delay processing of your complaint. Faxing your complaint
may also delay processing if the paperwork you send is illegible.
- Documents provided to this office may be public record.”
The Phone number of the NC Attorney General Roy Cooper is: (919)716-6000

Aaron May 13, 2008 at 12:51 pm

Sooooo Mod lisa….we should get lives eh? Least I’m still not associating with a company that ripped off thousands of people for Shitloads of cash. Got your prizes tho I bet. Enjoy those big ole bonus points too.
Funny thing is the mods are still doing thier thing over at NWC. Hey how about you get a life lisa and stop fooking with ours.

lisa6948146 May 13, 2008 at 12:52 pm

I DID NOT post that My sister did that. I wasnt gonna say anything but i am not gonna take the blame for something i did not say. Look at the typing it is totally different. I can have her post if you want but i DID NOT!!!!! post that

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 12:53 pm

I am pretty hazy how Netwinner could legally run sweapstakes in the first place. According to NC law http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Laws/North-Carolina/ any lottery using any type of token (including points one would imagine) that isn’t run by a registered charity or the state is illegal – you don’t need to have paid cash for the ticket directly. One assumes you can get some sort of licence – question is did they?
Not sure about other states but I am fairly certain it’s also illegal in Canada to offer prizes for a game of chance (real companies have a legal loophole situation where Canadian winners are required to answer a simple maths question so that is technically is a test of skill and not chance – nothing in the T&C’s mention this though so if they did ask one and you got it wrong they would be in legal problems).
Not that these people seem the sort that would bother with the law in the first place but it looks on the surface (I am not a lawyer) to be enough to have all the management of the company criminally prosecuted in NC and possibly in other states & provinces as well.

lisa's dog May 13, 2008 at 12:55 pm

no, i typed it on her computer without her permission it wasn’t her REALLY!!!!

Aaron May 13, 2008 at 12:55 pm

OMG the MY LITTLE SISSTER EXCUSE!!!!11!! TOO RICH!!!!

getajob May 13, 2008 at 12:56 pm

ok my sister lisa DID NOT POST THAT I did and im sick and tired of you people bashing her I don’t volunteer for Netwinner but, I have the right to say what I want to defend her I am sorry Lisa I never thought my posts would get you lynched.
oh well these people will decided what they want I will leave you losers alone.

thecommittee May 13, 2008 at 12:57 pm

Reminder: Please remember, this is a family site.

getajob May 13, 2008 at 12:58 pm

you people are something else

Rich May 13, 2008 at 12:59 pm

Update, Mike answered my post and said this in response to why some people were paid bribes to keep quiet ahead of others waiting for redemptions:
“I though it was a bad idea and I said so when i learned it was going to happen.”
For those of you that would like to see that I am not taking it out of context, feel free to view:
http://www.netwinnercentral.com/view_topic.php?id=4154&forum_id=6

Aaron May 13, 2008 at 12:59 pm

My little sister/brother excusses are the oldest lamest non-believable lines by online gamers. There are whole threads at message boards that make fun of it. Deal with it.

getajob May 13, 2008 at 1:01 pm

oh well it don’t matter if the the owner of this site wants to talk to both me and lisa at the same time ill email her my phone number. so i can prove what i wrote is not her

jason May 13, 2008 at 1:10 pm

This is a joke, netwinner.com should fold, or be sued to fold it, at this point i dont even care about my money anymore, just sue the owners so they cannot scam anyone in the future.

Becky May 13, 2008 at 1:11 pm

NetWinner’s ISP was squarely nailed for the first anonymous “Get a life” comment. As for the second, Lisa, whether your fingers typed it, you dictated it, or your dog did it, a person is judged by the company he keeps, and when you associate with liars, nobody’s going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Are you still a mod? I think the answer to that question will say more about your character than any other words you or your sister could type. Actions speak louder.

Alex May 13, 2008 at 1:12 pm

lisa6948146 said:
“I DID NOT post that My sister did that. I wasnt gonna say anything but i am not gonna take the blame for something i did not say. Look at the typing it is totally different. I can have her post if you want but i DID NOT!!!!! post that”
For the sake of argument again, lets say that is true.
So your own sister thinks NetWinner is no different then a popup SCAM…that says something doesn’t it?

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 1:13 pm

Becky, I guess starting a new post didn’t stop the double comments from being posted :)
I apologize for all this extra work you are doing. But I also thank you profusely for allowing us to continue with our comments/chat between ourselves about what has happened here. It does serve a purpose. It gets out all the hard feeling and allows information to pass through that could help those that have been mistreated and used by NW and the mods. Maybe something good can still come of all this. Not from NW of course..

Yeah Rich May 13, 2008 at 1:15 pm

It’s a shame your post was already locked Rich but I really admire how respectful and intelligent you post was it was straight to the point and not aggressive in the least. For the following poster to react the way they did is the same defensiveness we are seeing again and again from people who just will not admit what happened was very wrong and Netwinner should be held accountable for their actions.

Rich May 13, 2008 at 1:15 pm

Becky, you forgot one possibility. Aliens could have abducted her dog and replaced it with a pod pet that typed the words…do I hear x-files music playing in the background??? LOL

Rich May 13, 2008 at 1:17 pm

Thank you to “Yeah Rich”. I thought it was funny how quickly it was locked. On a positive note, I just completed my first term back in college with an A in composition so I guess it has already paid off if I was able to respectfully make a point in the NW forum lol

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 1:19 pm

I will give her the benifit of the doubt, sure its her sister, but if its your computer, you are responsable for whats its used for.

Not hard to guess who I am May 13, 2008 at 1:23 pm

Thanks for showing true colours for us Becky..
My sister did it..Geez I(and just about ANYONE who has more than one kid)have heard That line wayyyyyyyy too many times.And it usually came out of the mouth of a young child who got Caught.
Personally I Have a job..more than one in fact.I just happen to have times during the year(seasonal work) that I am not working fulltime.
But no matter MY Time is Always worth something..time taken away watching Ads so that Netwinner could make MORE money was supposed to be in return for CASH..Not raffle tickets..period.
Now I am curious to see how this drama unfolds.I (Like Canuck) am in Canada so my voice would not be heard in the States BUT I Am looking into what avenues we have.

Cuffedaddy May 13, 2008 at 1:23 pm

I am still trying to figure out who I insulted?

Jason May 13, 2008 at 1:28 pm

Another thing, netwinner should change to a raffle only site if they arent making money, but they should honor all cashout requests from before, and then say “after May XX” no more cashouts will be accepted.

shellbear May 13, 2008 at 1:28 pm

I have a few things to say about the whole Nloser situation.
1. i find it absolutely disgusting that nloser mods are coming here and trying to defend nloser still, and how they are posting degrading comments to us players about getting a job, for all you mods, do you know what each and every one of us do for a living, nope, didnt think so, so shut your pie hole
2. I was one of the few who got a call and their ecard and yes i was told to keep the conversation quiet however i WASNT told anything in detail, just that nloser was going to make changes thats it, Im beyond pissed that only a few of us received our winnings, I for the life of me cant figure out why they would pay some of us and not all, I also can tell you that even though i was one of the biggest gripers on the forum, i never once contacted nloser about it, just bitched up a storm on the forum, so to be honest, i dont know why i got mine, (though i did cash out nov 6)
Some im sure had in depth conversations with matt and were told more details and im sure there are some like me who didnt …

acsfl May 13, 2008 at 1:29 pm

My gawd, this is better than any soap opera I could watch while sitting on my lazy a$$(as some of the mods would call it) eating bon-bons.

Canuck May 13, 2008 at 1:29 pm

If your a Netwinner employe stay atay there and chat with your players not here cuffedaddy

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 1:37 pm

Oh lord! Not you again. Please stay with your buddies at NW Cuffdaddy/cufdaddy/cuffedaddy..whoever you are. Don’t you have better things to do today? Like ban accounts and lock people out of the forum? Or maybe defend NW for all of this? Or, perhaps you should be over there saying “You will get paid. You will get paid” over and over again in the mirror so it looks convincing?

Anon May 13, 2008 at 1:43 pm

Okay Rich posted this
Rich said:
Update, Mike answered my post and said this in response to why some people were paid bribes to keep quiet ahead of others waiting for redemptions:
“I though it was a bad idea and I said so when i learned it was going to happen.”
For those of you that would like to see that I am not taking it out of context, feel free to view:
http://www.netwinnercentral.com/view_topic.php?id=4154&forum_id=6
I did see this response of Mike’s and was kinda shocked how Mike didn’t even try to deny it. Now if you go look Mike changed his answer in the post I guess he realized that he really goofed by answering that way!! Gosh I wish I had taken a screen shot of that to prove it.

Becky May 13, 2008 at 1:48 pm

If you see the response counts on the posts here changing, it’s because I’m deleting duplicate posts, not posts I don’t like… like at some other places, ahem.
If you get an error after submitting a comment, please reload the page to see if it posted before resubmitting; thanks! And my apologies for the problems.

No One May 13, 2008 at 1:49 pm

Mike just posted the new Spin Report -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIIPtoe4Pto
They disabled text comments for the video, of course. But apparently you can still post a video response. Does anyone who has a video camera want to try? Unfortunately I do not have a video camera or I’d do it. You could direct folks here to show them what Netwinner is really all about.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 1:49 pm

OMG you’re right! Did anyone think to get a SS of him basically admitting it? Crap!

acsfl May 13, 2008 at 1:54 pm

I cannot believe they have the cojones to post another spin report. And that the beginning of the video still says “You Play, We Pay” Lying sacks of #@#&!

nsenner May 13, 2008 at 1:55 pm

I was one of the ones who got paid. I know I voiced gripes on the forums. I recevied a call from one of the yahoos there at Netwinner. I can’t remember which one called me but I am kicking myself that I didn’t pick up. I received a $50 ecount card that I cashed out on March 5th. I got the card on May 9th. It tuely is rotten what they did to everyone nd plan on helping all in anyway I can.

No One May 13, 2008 at 2:00 pm

Alright you guys, who let one?
Chuffdaddy said:
I am still trying to figure out who I insulted?
Oh – nevermind.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 2:04 pm

They posted the spin report, and blocked comments. Geez!

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 2:06 pm

Good ole MJP…running around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to delete posts that don’t agree with their “new model”…LOL

No One May 13, 2008 at 2:09 pm

They also still haven’t changed the video when you first go to their site. After the Exxon card page, it shows the games and says “No Scamming!” HA! That’s rich! Also still says you can redeem for points and prizes. Sure you can. You won’t get the stuff, but you can redeem any time you like.

Rich May 13, 2008 at 2:12 pm

Don’t worry, I do have a screenshot of Mike’s original answer on the forum from where he basically admitted they paid bribes. It will be very useful when I submit my formal complaint to the N.C. Dept. of Justice, and possibly for court if it goes that far.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 2:13 pm

Very smart Rich :)

Aaron May 13, 2008 at 2:22 pm

Maybe his little brother wrote that, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

notbobt May 13, 2008 at 2:22 pm

Easily found in a yahoo netwinner group.
Bobt1956 yahoo id is: jrtemp1956@yahoo.com, he is on Yahoo Msg. right now, and he lists his occ. as a Systems Analyst.
BobT Please tell us about Patience and Persistence Pays!!!

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 2:26 pm

MJP is now living in a fantasy world…
http://www.netwinnercentral.com/view_topic.php?id=4126&forum_id=6&jump_to=145205#p145205
Said that all this is just fantasy…

Kelly May 13, 2008 at 2:28 pm

Hey Cuffedaddy! Who’s your Daddy?!?!

ShansGram May 13, 2008 at 2:37 pm

i was in that thread a few minutes ago where he said he was sorry that happend..actually his response to rich was I am sorry this happened with prizes, but there is nothing I can do now. When the thread continued to question him about people getting paid for hush. he posted that the thread served no purpose and closed the posting to it. I went to the gripers thread and asked him this:
i would like to know why everytime mjp doesnt like what is being said in one of his threads as in the thread would like to know the company’s response thread..it is closed when anyone mentions the truth about what was done about paying some players and not others ??
Is there some underlying secret or what?? Everyone already knows about the payoffs to players its all over the net..not only here !!
his response to me was: ShansGram
Member,
If you are trying to run us into the ground, no you can not use our tools to do so.
How can I help you?
i told him: i dont want anything mjp i was just reading thru the threads and was at that thread where the information was being discussed on some people receiving phone calls and being paid their prizes or at least part of them if they didnt talk about receiving them trying to form an opinion on your answer to them..and you said it served no purpose and closed the thread. So I guess my question was answered when you said that you were sorry about all of that when people were paid thru those phone calls. I would like to be paid just like everyone else..so I guess I am trying to figure out what they did that I havents so I can be paid too !!
As of this minute ..I have not received a reply back from him.
I just wonder how he thinks asking simple questions is running netwinner into the ground..I think they pretty much did that themselves.
As far as their advertisers are concerned..when you go to one of their sites there has always been streaming ads playing..I have gone to see if any of the sites are still working and funny thing I have found today..THERE ARE NO STREAMING ADS..what does this mean?? in my very humble opinion..I think Netwinner is losing ground with their affiliates.
I have requested a complaint form from the North Carolina Attorney General’s Office as suggested and when I receive it I will follow thru with my complaint. I have also registered a complaint with the North Caroline BBB (Piedmont Area) and will continue to follow thru with it. I probably will never see my winnings but if it helps to rid a fraudulant company from the Net..I will feel like something good has come from all of this..Good Luck to everyone with whatever your endevours are.

thecommittee May 13, 2008 at 2:41 pm

Thecommittee wishes to thank Becky profusely for being such a kind and generous host and for allowing us ragmuffins to come in and mess up her house, so to speak. We’ll help with the dishes later and uh, sorry ’bout the broken coffee table, the shattered mirror and that funny looking lamp that says Tiffany underneath.

sue May 13, 2008 at 2:52 pm

I just read pages of the netwinner fulfillment topic, all the answers from the mods saying “don’t worry you will be paid” with the stupid smilies are removed. I only read about ten pages, couldn’t stand to read the rest.

Canuck May 13, 2008 at 2:54 pm

I asked Netweinner if I could exchange the points for toilet paper and then when I looked it was erased?

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 2:55 pm

“I have to say that you all seriously need to get a job. you spend all day long posting and complaining. Do any of you losers have jobs apparently not if your all here complaining about cash. It only takes a foot in front of another to get your a$$ away from your computer and get a job and get a paycheck.”
I had to respond to the above “idiot” who posted this. I, myself do not post and complain all day long. I don’t have a job bec I am retired/disabled. In the better NW days, it was fun to play in the contests and also win points from the game for a giftcard/ecount card to give away to friends or family. It has nothing to do about being a loser or jobless, etc. I think YOU may be soon talking about yourself..because if you are a NW employee……you WILL soon be in the employment line and I am a firm believer in ” what goes around…comes around. Remember that!

Aaron May 13, 2008 at 3:09 pm

Mike at NWC just posted about how the mods don’t derserve what’s happening and please lay off them and take it out on me cry cry cry. Meanwhile deleating posts furiously

Rich May 13, 2008 at 3:12 pm

Aaron,
Check out my response to Mike (while it lasts) on his attempt to get people to respect the moderators.

acsfl May 13, 2008 at 3:13 pm

yep, I posted a reply to that thread that those mods(and their sisters!!) have been over here slamming and name-calling and telling us to get real jobs. It was deleted before I even refreshed the page.

Aaron May 13, 2008 at 3:15 pm

I was right, your post was gone before my reply was even sent

Rich May 13, 2008 at 3:17 pm

Me thinks me is about to get banned at NW LOL

kiarasmamaw May 13, 2008 at 3:17 pm

They tell us to leave the mods alone. I for one have not said anything about any of the mods. But they want us to leave them alone while cuffdaddy comes in here and calls Us whiners because we don’t like cjheating liars.

dollphyn May 13, 2008 at 3:18 pm

well I filed my complaint with the BBB.. I hope others are doing the same. It’s not about the money anymore…it’s just not.

acsfl May 13, 2008 at 3:18 pm

Rich, I think I’m on my way too! hee hee. I’ve had a couple posts deleted today…. woohoooo.

kiarasmamaw May 13, 2008 at 3:18 pm

I do of course mean cheating.

ShansGram May 13, 2008 at 3:20 pm

I would llke to ask annonymous a question?? Are you bi-polar or something?? why do you keep telling people to get a job and posting nasty comments to people. You have been here all day posting negative comments on one hand and on the other you sound like you are all for what netwinner has done?? So what is it annonymous?? Do you think this is right?? or do you think Netwinner has scammed everyone?
If you are still undecided maybe you need to take a chill pill or do what you keep telling everyone else to do..GET A JOB AND GET YOUR A$$ AWAY FROM YOUR COMPUTER !!

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 3:22 pm

Yea he said we were a “small group” yea right.

Vickie May 13, 2008 at 3:22 pm

I also filed a complaint with the BBB

dollphyn May 13, 2008 at 3:22 pm

In one of the post in the forum the great leader posted to contact support@netwinner.com…which I did and will do again – but this is their lame response – I am very glad I did tho – I will go back to the BBB, pull up my case file and add this as their response…I did however CC a copy to the BBB already but I am adding this as well:
Dear Brenda,
Thank you for contacting Netwinner Customer Support.We are sorry but at this time we are unable to
redeem points for cash. This has been done in order to cut back on the large amounts of fraud and
liability we have been facing. We are very sorry but we would like to apologize by returning double
the points you used in making your transaction. We hope to be able to reinstate these cards at a later
time but as of right now we are no longer able to do so. If you had an instant win or prize drawing
please reply to this email with your username and the amount of the prize.
Again we apologize for the trouble we have caused you.
Regards,
Customer Support, Netwinner

Vickie May 13, 2008 at 3:24 pm

What a bunch of bull!

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 3:26 pm

I think people need to spend their time complaining to the BBB and the other appropriate places instead of saying nasty things about the mods. It is the NW owners/head honchos that are responsible- beat on them! I have stopped playing and am very disappointed it has came to this. Shame on the NW owners.

Aaron May 13, 2008 at 3:29 pm

Mods can quit anytime, even come here and say they have, maybe even spill some beans…..but thoose big point bonuses must be huge!!!

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 3:29 pm

Count me as another former player who contact the BBB — makes you feel at least a little better =)

dollphyn May 13, 2008 at 3:31 pm

May 13, 2008 2:54 PM
Anonymous said:
“I have to say that you all seriously need to get a job. you spend all day long posting and complaining. Do any of you losers have jobs apparently not if your all here complaining about cash. It only takes a foot in front of another to get your a$$ away from your computer and get a job and get a paycheck.”
I would like to respond to this as well:
My 89 year old mother has alzeheimers. She requires 24/7 care. I have elected to stay at home and care for her. This is my job. I have also served in the US Air Force for 8 years and am retired from the US Postal Serivce. If you THINK for one minute that your above post is at anything more than a 2 years old response than you might need to rethink what you post. One day something is going to come your way, and I want you to remember what you have said to others in your post.

Vickie May 13, 2008 at 3:31 pm

I agree with what you just said Aaron.

Gotcha May 13, 2008 at 3:32 pm

For obvious reasons I can’t say who I am, but I got big news for Netwinner – thanks to my son’s psychotic ex-girlfriend, my phone is currently recording all calls, including the one to accept money to be quiet…oh and directing me to connectingmoms for a new Netwinner contest.com — I can’t wait for the Spin report from prison!

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 3:36 pm

ughhhh..this is getting worse. I really hope the NW owners/fatcats get arrested and pay everyone they cheated.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 3:40 pm

MJP: I just banned two people. I do not want to do this. I do not and will not ban people for complaining or even for slamming us. If they stay here all day everyday and do just that, or flood the forum, you are gone.
Sounds like he’s getting upset lol

Aaron May 13, 2008 at 3:40 pm

Oh my no, I was baned at NWC. Whatever will I do?!?! Those of you who still have acess there keep drilling them till they actually answer some those pertinant questions.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 3:41 pm

If he “does not and will not ban people for complaining, etc” then why did he just do it?

Vickie May 13, 2008 at 3:42 pm

This is what Mike just posted:
I just banned two people. I do not want to do this. I do not and will not ban people for complaining or even for slamming us. If they stay here all day everyday and do just that, or flood the forum, you are gone.
He is such an idiot. I never have believed anything he has said and never will. I think he is the biggest liar on their.

Becky May 13, 2008 at 3:44 pm

ShansGram, the “get a job” post you’re referring to was posted from the same IP address as one of the forum mods. She hasn’t posted it over and over — people are just quoting it in order to reply more directly to the commenter.
The other “get a job” post came from NetWinner’s IP address, so it wasn’t a volunteer mod, but an actual NW employee. Me thinks they ought to take their own advice.
Anybody think Chad and Anthony looked a little shaken in the latest Spin Report? They said they didn’t know they had to work that day, something like that. I bet it was more like, “OMG, NW is doing WHAT to its members? And we’re associated with these guys?” Friday was the day mjp says he found out about the changes. I imagine they were told then, too.
Those fancy frozen coffee drinks are pretty expensive…Chad and Anthony must be paid pretty well.
Who’s going to do a video response to the Spin Report? Anyone?

Aaron May 13, 2008 at 3:45 pm

Well now I can’t stop getting E-mail from reply posts from NWC and I can’t log in to stop it, guess they get the spam button.

Rich May 13, 2008 at 3:45 pm

Dang, I haven’t been banned yet? And I called them criminals. What did ya’ll do that was so much worse lol

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 3:45 pm

Yea Becky, they blamed their “shakiness” on the iced coffee’s they were drinking. Ha!

Aaron May 13, 2008 at 3:48 pm

I guess I posted too much and too articulately for him to handle.

Rich May 13, 2008 at 4:04 pm

Too articulately? But according to Mike he is a journalist, you’d think he could handle words over 3 letters long.

ME May 13, 2008 at 4:06 pm

BECKY CAN YOU PLEASE EMAIL, ID LIKE SOME INFO

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 4:09 pm

always thought mjp65 had bad language/spelling. Could not understand why NW hired him. Oh and yes, quite rude as well.

isitrigged May 13, 2008 at 4:13 pm

Yes! Finally they fall flat on their faces.. I tried to warn everyone that NetWinner was a scam over 4 months ago. When Banko was released as beta I was ripped off a couple of times (once being the Jackpot). So I decompiled the flash game and discovered compelling evidence that the games are rigged.
But why rig the games? Well if they can control when you win and how much you win then they can manage how much they give out and how much they profit (Not a bad thing). But they were advertising their site and their games as a game of chance with a set percentage of winning. If they control who wins when they win and how much they win then that percentage and their claims of being a game of chance in not true at all.
I called it even before it happened, they got rid of cash prizes all together and have now made your chances of winning even slimmer, while those dumb enough to waste their time is racking in some serious revenue money for them..
Check out my blog for more.. http://isitrigged.wordpress.com

isitrigged May 13, 2008 at 4:20 pm

PS I have also received the same comments on my blog from NetWinner as well, I never approve them just as they always removed my negative comments on their site.
Their comments were never anything disproving my finds or even disclaiming my finds just their same ol’ “Get a Life” line.
I have also got a comment from that lisa girl and her husband. Her husbands was pretty interesting. He said that his wife and several other of the mods were selling users information to third party companies, thus violating NetWinner’s “Terms of Service” policy.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 4:29 pm

Someone asked in the previous entry for a list of current mods. Since that thread is now closed due to the number of responses causing problems with the software, I’ll post it here. Here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxHm7BoVV-A

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 4:35 pm

no need to bash the mods! Lay it off! I no longer play for your information- and my anger/disappointment is towards the NW honchos..not the mods for goodness sake! Why can’t some people understand that?

justgranny May 13, 2008 at 4:37 pm

I know my opinion is as valuable as all those useless points that were “traded”
to us — without our knowledge prior to the trade , but I’m going to exptess it anyway.
In my unasked for opinion, we were lied to because we were promise something and given something else. Only cheaters and liars do this.
If you could not follow through with your promises, you should never have made them in the first place. I really feel like I have been violated.

ME May 13, 2008 at 4:38 pm

Thank you for using the Better Business Bureau’s Online Complaint System.
Your complaint has been assigned case # 374557.
Correspondence regarding this complaint will be emailed to : happy_vegan_ebionite@praiseyah.com
Please print a copy of this for your records.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 5:08 pm

Hi,
I received an email from a friend about this situation. You’re all so very thorough and helpful with the necessary links, that I was easily able to make the complaint.
I went the route of using confirmation emails as well as false revenue generated by advertisers.
I urge all of you to file complaints if you haven’t already. The process is very simple and only took about ten minutes of my time.
If any of you reported what you received from Netwinner as income on your taxes last year, it would also be a good idea to file a non-receipt of a 1099 complaint against Netwinner regardless of amount claimed. Companies are not required to send out these forms under normal circumstances for amounts paid per individual that are less than $600. However, if Netwinner claimed our previous payments as either operating expenses or as a loss (and we all know they did, don’t we?) then they’ll need to substantiate that expense or loss to the IRS. It usually takes three years for that sort of red flag to create an audit situation for companies who don’t substantiate this deduction. But you can make it happen sooner by filing that IRS complaint if you reported your Netwinner winnings as income and received no form.
Here is a copy of the complaint I sent to the Charlotte BBB via their website, including confirmation emails as proof of promised payment:
As a member of the Netwinner site, I played for points toward gift cards and redeemed those points on various dates throughout 2007 and 2008. I received confirmation emails and promises of payment via Netwinner’s forum and through email. Here are confirmation emails which confirm that I was promised payment but have not received. I have removed my name and email address here but included them in the complaint:
From: NetWinner [Add to Address Book]
To: xxx
Subject: Confirm Prize Destination
Date: Nov 6, 2007 3:29 PM
Dear xxx
This email serves to confirm that you requested to have your prize
Ecount Cash ($50)
delivered to the following address:
If this information is correct, please:
1. Log into your NetWinner.com account.
2. Go to the MyAccount page
3. Open the Prizes tab and select your prize (Ecount Cash ($50))
4. Use the following code to confirm: xxx
–NetWinner Team
—————————————-
From: No Reply [Add to Address Book]
To: xxx
Subject: Confirm Prize Destination
Date: Jan 17, 2008 9:48 PM
Dear xxx
This email serves to confirm that you requested to have your prize
Ecount Cash ($100)
delivered to the following address:
If this information is correct, please:
1. Log into your Prizevillage.com account.
2. Go to the MyAccount page
3. Open the Prizes tab and select your prize (Ecount Cash ($100))
4. Use the following code to confirm: xxx
–NetWinner Team
———————————
From: No Reply [Add to Address Book]
To: xxx
Subject: Confirm Prize Destination
Date: Jan 28, 2008 7:56 PM
Dear xxx
This email serves to confirm that you requested to have your prize
Ecount Cash ($100)
delivered to the following address:
If this information is correct, please:
1. Log into your http://www.wiiarcade.com Play Free Wii Flash Games account.
2. Go to the MyAccount page
3. Open the Prizes tab and select your prize (Ecount Cash ($100))
4. Use the following code to confirm: xxx
–NetWinner Team
—————————————
All told, they owe me $250.00 which I redeemed as proven here and then confirmed in my account with each unique, corresponding confirmation i.d.
I was told repeatedly as many other members have been for the last six months that payment would be forthcoming. To this day I’ve not received payment.
Yesterday, Netwinner changed it’s point system by no longer offering E-Count payments as prizes. They are free to do this via their TOS. However, this does not negate past obligations and that contract we players had with Netwinner should be considered binding because it was in effect at the time of redemption. I feel the company is now in default and it’s actions constitute fraud.
Netwinner also promoted false ad traffic generating revenue for themselves by requiring members to click on ads regardless of whether members had any intention of purchasing services. This is false revenue generation which members were not aware of at the time.
I think all of this is easily proven not only by the confirmation emails I’ve enclosed but if an audit were to be performed by the proper State, Federal and/or local agencies.
Not only should Netwinner pay it’s members what we are owed, but they should also be forced to return revenue to it’s advertisers received by forcing members to click on ads when we had no idea this was unethical for the company to ask of us.
Thank you.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 5:12 pm

Being a bonehead sometimes, I forgot to mention that I filed the above claim with the Charlotte, NC BBB, lol. Sorry about that!

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 5:15 pm

I am in the process of filing the complaint on the NC BBB site but I have two address choices. Does anyone know the correct NW address?? I am making myself dizzy trying to scroll up and find the address. thanks

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 5:18 pm

Use the suite 200 one. It’s where most of the corresponding complaints have already been filed. :)

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 5:19 pm

thank you!

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 5:21 pm

thank you! I am having a hard time deciding on which catagory to pick. Product??

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 5:21 pm

I’m still reading every comment from the previous entry on this, lol. But I do want to show that complaints are being filed at a dizzying rate (Yay us!) and that I’ve added my complaint to that number. You all are doing a great job of coordinating these efforts and working together! :) Keep it up! :)

Cory May 13, 2008 at 5:21 pm

If you are looking for a new legit site, jump on over to moola.com
Great business strategy, and no competition for the type of site they have.
The site starts you off with a penny, and you play games to make more money. You can also make money by completing offers, or shopping at places you may already shop at.
If you’d like an invite to join, just email me at OutSider81@aol.com
Take care, and sorry to hear about all these problems with Netwinner….

gottalovepugs May 13, 2008 at 5:21 pm

i hate the new changes and it does suck
but you can come here and run your mouth and thats fine thats your choice to do so but why not use your netwinner name and let ev1 know who you are .. like you all said noone is getting paid anymore so why hide you have nothing left to lose

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 5:22 pm

You’re most welcome Anon! :)

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 5:24 pm

gottaluvpugs- CHANGES ? you mean “dirty business” ??

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 5:25 pm

” gottalovepugs said:
i hate the new changes and it does suck
but you can come here and run your mouth and thats fine thats your choice to do so but why not use your netwinner name and let ev1 know who you are .. like you all said noone is getting paid anymore so why hide you have nothing left to lose

Do you eat with that hostile and accusatory mouth? No one has to substantiate any of their reasoning to you here. This is a free and open forum and these people have been hurt enough. If you don’t like it this conversation format, you are ofcourse free to say so. But why insist on torturing yourself by visiting a site you do not like? As Netwinner would say, “If you don’t like it, don’t post!”

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 5:26 pm

gottaluvpugs- oh yes we do. Next thing you know- NW will freeze the points we still have for the lousy raffles

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 5:27 pm

Feeling sorry for gottalovebullsh*t right about now. How delusional!

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 5:38 pm

“I wanted to share with you one of the comments left on my blog just minutes ago. “Get a life,” it said. Here’s the comment and please note the IP address from which it was left: http://www.comparerewards.com/getalife.jpg
I plugged in that IP address to find out where the comment originated from, and guess who left it?: http://www.comparerewards.com/netwinnercomment.jpg
Gotta love ip search software, LOL. I’m an avid user myself. Thanks for sharing that. It just proves how Netwinner and it’s minions only have an interest in further degrading their members instead of honoring their commitments they made to them. Well done! Thanks for sharing your findings with us as well. :)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 5:40 pm

“Why does it even matter to you if we whine or not?”
These types of insecurities and blame are par for the course for them. Trust me.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 5:41 pm

lolol

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 5:42 pm

Hahahaha OWNED!

karen May 13, 2008 at 5:49 pm

here is mjp’s response to somneone asking why such low points:
I see what you are saying now. We have not been able to make the adjusts yet to complete the change. it will get better.
Thought they denied that the moneywheel was ‘tight’?

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 5:50 pm

“I just posted on NW forum, asking Mike or a staff member to comment on paying bribes to keep some members quiet, I’m sure the post will be deleted or if they do respond I hold no credibility to their answer.”
This type of extortion is illegal on Netwinner’s part. To those who are filing BBB complaints and have had this happen to you, please remember to include and bribes attempts made to you by Netwinner in exchange for requests to be quiet. If you did not accept or accepted your past due payments but did not agree with the conditions of the request, you won’t be in any trouble. Netwinner will be though for offering this type of bribery and extortion to you. Keep all written or recorded proof and submit it if you have it with your complaint. You will be fine. They won’t though.

acsfl May 13, 2008 at 5:50 pm

OMFG – It will get better????????????????? Good God, haven’t we heard that enough????

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 5:51 pm

ughhh,,,,,he keeps saying “it will get better”..and this has been going on for a year,,,,and see where they are now….going downnnnnnnnnnnnhill. I could just kick myself for playing so long

ME May 13, 2008 at 5:51 pm

HOW LOW OF THEM TO POST ON HERE saying that crap netwinner shame on you shame shame
plus what is this 40% cheaters grabage
you must put in a code to verify yourself everyone uses this now and no one else has problems with this..so tell me HOW DO YOU CHEAT??

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 5:52 pm

” karen said:
here is mjp’s response to somneone asking why such low points:
I see what you are saying now. We have not been able to make the adjusts yet to complete the change. it will get better.
Thought they denied that the moneywheel was ‘tight’?”
Good eye! :) Yes they did deny that. Why on earth would they have to make adjustments to something that wasn’t a problem? It must be hard for Mike to remember every lie he’s told and consequently he makes these obvious mistakes. Oopsy.

Jack May 13, 2008 at 5:52 pm

What’s lost on all of these NetWinner apologists , is that if they truly think it is legal and ethical to retro actively change the terms of the agreement between the site and the members , what on earth makes them think this won’t happen again ?
If NetWinner is still losing money next month , but the owners and employees want to gravy train as long as they can ,what will keep them from again changing the terms yet again ? If someone were actually to win the $50,000 prize or jackpot , can you apologists actually believe it would be paid ?
Using your thinking , it would be perfectly ethical for NetWinner to not pay the winnings , based on financial problems or some other excuse . You would hang on and defend them because the forum is so much fun and I made friends there . Please . These people are thieves . Mike is still getting paid . But you are not . And you side with him and the other crooks at NetWinner ? I think you folks need to look in the mirror and have a reality check .

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 5:56 pm

I just want to squeeze his (mike) head, geez…he is in fantasyland

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 5:56 pm

“California is probably more liberal than North Carolina though.”
Here’s how the jurisdiction game works: California has no juridiction here except as a member of the Federal Government which has ultimate jurisdiction. Secondary jurisdiction is held by North Carolina. Other than that, the State of California is considered an interested party in any action that is taken which acts on behalf of it’s members (residents).

ME May 13, 2008 at 5:58 pm

SOMEONE ON THE FORUM SAID
no it wasn’t bogus call I recieved a call from Matt and recieved 1 of my owed cashouts just yesterday! we tryed to warn people but were told to hush our being paid it was aimed towards us gripers and complainer’s I feel horrible having been paid 100 of what was owed to me when so many others got S#*T on

pkb143 May 13, 2008 at 5:59 pm

I felt I needed to set the record straight about continuing my participation with Netwinner: I just can’t do it; they have betrayed my trust and don’t seem to care one whit about loyal players.I don’t trust them anymore.
Feel free to read my comments about Netwinner’s latest actions on my new Squidoo lens (page) called “Netwinner: We Played – They Flayed”. (Just click on my name). (I hope they let me leave this up but I don’t know….).
Feel free to leave a comment but please KEEP IT CLEAN!
**Becky, I reposted your post about “what to do” on my Squidoo page — if this is not OK with you, please e-mail me!! thanks.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 5:59 pm

“http://www.ncdoj.com/consumerprotection/cp_complaints_instructions.jsp
(it wants a copy of the terms of service- it matters what they were when you cashed in your “reward” NOT NOW it is not retroactive!)”
If you don’t have a copy of the old TOS, use your confirmation emails as proof of the contract you entered into Netwinner. Those prize receipts show proof of what was agreeable and acceptable to both sides and is legally binding in this case just as an old copy of the TOS would be.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 6:06 pm

“Funny thing is the mods are still doing thier thing over at NWC. Hey how about you get a life lisa and stop fooking with ours.”
Insecurity, blame and hostility run rampant over there. We should expect it from them here too. Feel sorry for them as it’s the only behavior they seem to know. Understanding, empathy and caring for others and just a plain willingness to want to help people are foreign concepts to them. They do what’s in their pocket’s best interest.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 6:07 pm

Had a real interesting day …filed a complaint with BBB and Attorney General ,called various media studios THEN got a call offering “hush hush” money (a portion of what is owed me),and more points added to my account….OH BOY!!!What good points are to me when Im never playing at NW again? Yall shoulda heard how this @sshole was snickering when he said,” must be 50,000 people severely pissed at me today” ……..I am more pissed today than yesterday now ……..I took the “hush hush” money,but I did let him know I just dropped my complaint to the attorney General in the mailbox ..LOL ..(it was a public mailbox that cant be retrieved once dropped) :-) ….He sounded very nervous to say the least,so yall get those complaints in

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 6:08 pm

” lisa6948146 said:
I DID NOT post that My sister did that. I wasnt gonna say anything but i am not gonna take the blame for something i did not say. Look at the typing it is totally different. I can have her post if you want but i DID NOT!!!!! post that

Just as I am not posting this reply I suppose. Get a clue lisa. No one’s buying your eyelash batting, hair twirling, gum chewing response here girly.

isitrigged May 13, 2008 at 6:09 pm

Oh yes, I agree with outsider81 http://www.Moola.com is a far better and equal opportunity site for all it’s members. Better security measures put forth for stability to prevent a situation like “going broke” and not being able to fulfill it’s agreement of prizes to it’s members how have strenuously earned it.
Also, gottaluvpugs if they did not hide their names NetWinner would try to use that as the reason as to why they will not be receiving their gifts so they can cover their asses in the event of a lawsuit!

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 6:15 pm

“One assumes you can get some sort of licence”
Yes the state does require a license as all states that allow and contests, gambling, lotteries or other games of chance do.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 6:16 pm

” Anonymous said:
I am pretty hazy how Netwinner could legally run sweapstakes in the first place. According to NC law http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Laws/North-Carolina/ any lottery using any type of token (including points one would imagine) that isn’t run by a registered charity or the state is illegal – you don’t need to have paid cash for the ticket directly. One assumes you can get some sort of licence – question is did they?
Not sure about other states but I am fairly certain it’s also illegal in Canada to offer prizes for a game of chance (real companies have a legal loophole situation where Canadian winners are required to answer a simple maths question so that is technically is a test of skill and not chance – nothing in the T&C’s mention this though so if they did ask one and you got it wrong they would be in legal problems).
Not that these people seem the sort that would bother with the law in the first place but it looks on the surface (I am not a lawyer) to be enough to have all the management of the company criminally prosecuted in NC and possibly in other states & provinces as well.

Well done investigation! Thanks for the information :)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 6:18 pm

” lisa’s dog said:
no, i typed it on her computer without her permission it wasn’t her REALLY!!!!

Haaaaaaaaaaa!

knothead May 13, 2008 at 6:19 pm

SORRY FOR THE CAPS BUT CHECK THIS OUT —
this is the first post this guy ever made in forum and he was banned from forum by the time i got back this afternoon and read it -
“I’m curious as to why the mods/admins appear to have been paid – when you see there name in the winners list on game site at the left they all have less than 100k points and many only have few hundred – hard to believe since payments only went to some people in November that they havent played or gotten points since before that – hmmmmmmmmmmm”

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 6:20 pm

” getajob said:
ok my sister lisa DID NOT POST THAT I did and im sick and tired of you people bashing her I don’t volunteer for Netwinner but, I have the right to say what I want to defend her I am sorry Lisa I never thought my posts would get you lynched.
oh well these people will decided what they want I will leave you losers alone.

So your other personality doesn’t realize you receive a stipend lisa? You should probably see a professional about that.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 6:23 pm

” Rich said:
Update, Mike answered my post and said this in response to why some people were paid bribes to keep quiet ahead of others waiting for redemptions:
“I though it was a bad idea and I said so when i learned it was going to happen.”
For those of you that would like to see that I am not taking it out of context, feel free to view:
http://www.netwinnercentral.com/view_topic.php?id=4154&forum_id=6

Is Mike still trying to pretend he has integrity? I guess he doesn’t realize that people are no longer buying what he has to say. Nor do we have much interest other than a good laugh we so richly deserve at this point. Thanks for verifying the hush money payments though Mike. That is much appreciated.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 6:26 pm

” getajob said:
oh well it don’t matter if the the owner of this site wants to talk to both me and lisa at the same time ill email her my phone number. so i can prove what i wrote is not her

Perhaps not sitting by the phone and instead seeking professional help would be a better use of that time.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 6:28 pm

” Becky said:
NetWinner’s ISP was squarely nailed for the first anonymous “Get a life” comment. As for the second, Lisa, whether your fingers typed it, you dictated it, or your dog did it, a person is judged by the company he keeps, and when you associate with liars, nobody’s going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Are you still a mod? I think the answer to that question will say more about your character than any other words you or your sister could type. Actions speak louder.”
And Becky calls BINGO! from the back of the room…
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 6:29 pm

” Anonymous said:
Becky, I guess starting a new post didn’t stop the double comments from being posted :)
I apologize for all this extra work you are doing. But I also thank you profusely for allowing us to continue with our comments/chat between ourselves about what has happened here. It does serve a purpose. It gets out all the hard feeling and allows information to pass through that could help those that have been mistreated and used by NW and the mods. Maybe something good can still come of all this. Not from NW of course..

From all of the teamwork I see going on here, I’d say quite a bit is being accomplished. :) WTG everyone!

anonymous187 May 13, 2008 at 6:30 pm

It would be cool to ping the locations of their IP’s. I would love to show up at one of these admins or mods door stp and see if they as brave as they act over the internet calling people “losers” and telling them to “get jobs” or “get a life”.. It is possible! ;-)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 6:32 pm

” Yeah Rich said:
It’s a shame your post was already locked Rich but I really admire how respectful and intelligent you post was it was straight to the point and not aggressive in the least. For the following poster to react the way they did is the same defensiveness we are seeing again and again from people who just will not admit what happened was very wrong and Netwinner should be held accountable for their actions.

You’re right ofcourse. It is now as it has always been useless to try to have an honest conversation with any of Netwinner’s staff, forum staff or minions. They only spew judgement and smoke and mirrors when it suits their egos or to try to cork a problem instead of solving it.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 6:36 pm

No one here has to explain their personal employment situation to Netwinner ever. They just make lame exclamations of “get a job!” in the dim hopes of distracting everyone here from the real problem and the task at hand.
Netwinner, you’re pathetic to try that tactic on people you’ve already lied to, lied about and hurt over all. None of us are impressed that you would stoop that low but we do expect it. Thanks for stopping by.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 6:37 pm

Yesssssss!

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 6:39 pm

“Bobt1956 yahoo id is: jrtemp1956@yahoo.com, he is on Yahoo Msg. right now, and he lists his occ. as a Systems Analyst.”
Bob hasn’t worked as a systems analyst in years. He told me this himself.

Not hard to guess who I am May 13, 2008 at 6:39 pm

I agree that it is amazing that the majority here are really working towards a common goal..Some are just here for comic relief..and I guess we need that Too!.
I too am grateful to Becky for allowing us to have a space where we Dont have to deal with the “Netford wives” who are still doing the same old same old..”I Wub Netwinner” Garbage..
I feel like giving them a slap upside the head so that the hamster starts running on the wheel again.Not so ironically these are the very people who over the last few months were chanting the “They Will pay” mantra..Oh and Surprise surprise they are now posting about their great “wins” on one of the partner sites..
You know what I Say?BULL! I see this as nothing more than MORE smoke and Mirrors..Imaginary “winners” or even worse Netwinner zombies who will say Anything they can to keep Netwinners cash cow alive.

Not hard to guess who I am May 13, 2008 at 6:40 pm

I agree that it is amazing that the majority here are really working towards a common goal..Some are just here for comic relief..and I guess we need that Too!.
I too am grateful to Becky for allowing us to have a space where we Dont have to deal with the “Netford wives” who are still doing the same old same old..”I Wub Netwinner” Garbage..
I feel like giving them a slap upside the head so that the hamster starts running on the wheel again.Not so ironically these are the very people who over the last few months were chanting the “They Will pay” mantra..Oh and Surprise surprise they are now posting about their great “wins” on one of the partner sites..
You know what I Say?BULL! I see this as nothing more than MORE smoke and Mirrors..Imaginary “winners” or even worse Netwinner zombies who will say Anything they can to keep Netwinners cash cow alive.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 6:40 pm

” getajob said:
you people are something else

Thank you. We pride ourselves on truth and ingenuity. Thanks for stopping by lisa.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 6:42 pm

” May 13, 2008 1:23 PM
Cuffedaddy said:
I am still trying to figure out who I insulted?

We’re still trying to figure out why you’re here. Ok that’s a lie. We figured it out a long time ago. You’re just not good at it. Thanks for stopping by. Really. I mean it. Honest.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 6:45 pm

” acsfl said:
My gawd, this is better than any soap opera I could watch while sitting on my lazy a$$(as some of the mods would call it) eating bon-bons.

Think of this as a potluck supper. I brought cake! All are welcome to it. :)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 6:47 pm

” Canuck said:
If your a Netwinner employe stay atay there and chat with your players not here cuffedaddy

No let him stay. I missed out on Cinco De Mayo this year and would like a few swings at a bloated pinata.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 6:48 pm

To stick around and moderate a site who is treating it’s members like that means they are not being mistreated as the rest of the members are. They must be receiving payment in some sense to stick around instead of being volunteers as they claim. Another lie…. I wouldn’t be surprised!

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 6:49 pm


MJP is now living in a fantasy world…
http://www.netwinnercentral.com/view_topic.php?id=4126&forum_id=6&jump_to=145205#p145205
Said that all this is just fantasy…

Chickens with no heads have to live in a fantasy world. It’s really all they have left, the poor dears.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 6:51 pm

WHAT DOES BOBT have to do with anything??

PinchingAbe May 13, 2008 at 6:52 pm

I am going to toss my two cents in here now. What Netwinner is doing is reorganizing without the benefit of Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. If they want to reorganize and wipe out debts (which is exactly what they did to any and all owed money) then they need to retain a high priced attorney and file for Chapter 11 protection. It is my opinion that they don’t want the stigma of bankruptcy attached to their brand name. As it is, I am not redeeming any points for worthless sweeps draws. I think doing that is a tacit agreement that you are “ok” with their little Monday surprise and I plan to print out various documents (including their email refusal to pay me my B&N card) and attach it with the email sent out to some members regarding their justification for what they did and why and let the chips fall where they may. A lot of work for $25 card they owe me? Yes. But I am hoping that the NCDOJ office will take notice and begin an investigation. I urge anyone who is owed gift cards/e-count to email them demanding them so that they will shoot you down and you have just one more piece of the paper trail. For those who never got an email when you confirmed, their response should serve as an acknowledgment of their debt owed to you.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 6:52 pm

” notbobt said:
games.groups.yahoo.com/group/netwinner_players
bobt is in there as we speak chatting with some sheep,,, jrtemp1956 yahoo id!!! reach out and chat with him!

Wasn’t it Dionne Warwick who sang, “Reach out and touch, somebody’s hand. Make this world a better place, if you can.”? Yes, let’s all reach out and “touch” Bob. Although I’m sure he’s pretty busy listening to his favorite song, “I Touch Myself”. Not much of a giver, that one.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 6:56 pm

” May 13, 2008 2:29 PM
ShansGram said:
i was in that thread a few minutes ago where he said he was sorry that happend..actually his response to rich was I am sorry this happened with prizes, but there is nothing I can do now. When the thread continued to question him about people getting paid for hush. he posted that the thread served no purpose and closed the posting to it. I went to the gripers thread and asked him this: ”
He doesn’t deserve any response except your middle finger. Show him how much his words mean to you like so: ..l.. The universal symbol for giving the finger on internet message boards. So easy, even Mike can learn it! Maybe.

knothead May 13, 2008 at 6:58 pm

heck, if nw paid me i might be here and in forum singing their praises and insulting everyone who disagrees with me too
i would be scared to go out in public though after what my company had done to so many people
people who played in good faith and even clicked on the ads as mods asked to help nw out and even signed up for offers from some of the companies to help nw out and expected nw to honor their continued promises to pay us what we had cashed in for
i am not surprised that guy got banned for his very first ever post in forum because he pointed out that the mods must have gotten paid
i am surprised they just banned him, shouldn’t they have deleted that post entirely? maybe the mods are all busy out shopping with their new ecards

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 6:58 pm

” Canuck said:
I asked Netweinner if I could exchange the points for toilet paper and then when I looked it was erased?

Tell them you have solved the problem by printing your account page and that it sufficed for your purposes. Don’t forget to thank them for being so accomodating!

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 7:01 pm

” May 13, 2008 3:12 PM
acsfl said:
yep, I posted a reply to that thread that those mods(and their sisters!!) have been over here slamming and name-calling and telling us to get real jobs. It was deleted before I even refreshed the page.

When you want to post something there, also open a window to your mail program and copy and paste it there. When it disappears from the forum, send a copy of your post to arion.hardison@netwinner.com He is Mike’s boss.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 7:04 pm

” May 13, 2008 3:15 PM
Rich said:
Me thinks me is about to get banned at NW LOL

It’s ok, I was banned from there a long time ago for giving too much of a damn about how members were being treated.
Can’t have that now can we?

sue May 13, 2008 at 7:07 pm

The entire fulfillment thread is deleted now.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 7:07 pm

” May 13, 2008 3:24 PM
Anonymous said:
I think people need to spend their time complaining to the BBB and the other appropriate places instead of saying nasty things about the mods. It is the NW owners/head honchos that are responsible- beat on them! I have stopped playing and am very disappointed it has came to this. Shame on the NW owners.

Don’t worry about us. Many of us are capable multi-taskers! We thank you for your concern however. Thanks for stopping by. Kiss kiss.

ME May 13, 2008 at 7:07 pm

mike says
I have worked here almost two years. I have never not been paid. I have been treated well by everybody in the company. I know, we know what we did this week was wrong, but it was the only option other than closing doors. If we do go under so be it, but you are wrong about me and about the compnay
NOTICE THE WHAT WE DID PART

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 7:09 pm

No one here has to explain why they played or why they expect Netwinner to uphold their contract either to Netwinner or it’s lackeys. You played because you felt like it and they did not honor the contract.
It’s that simple Netwinner, it really is.

Canuck May 13, 2008 at 7:10 pm

Then let NetWienner close their doors or even let US close our accounts so they won’t have members showing up so they can collect money from new customers.
Does anyone lives near by their office? Is it still there or is it a postal box?

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 7:10 pm

” May 13, 2008 3:31 PM
Gotcha said:
For obvious reasons I can’t say who I am, but I got big news for Netwinner – thanks to my son’s psychotic ex-girlfriend, my phone is currently recording all calls, including the one to accept money to be quiet…oh and directing me to connectingmoms for a new Netwinner contest.com — I can’t wait for the Spin report from prison!

w00t!

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 7:12 pm

” May 13, 2008 3:40 PM
Aaron said:
Oh my no, I was baned at NWC. Whatever will I do?!?! ”
You shall have some of our potluck cake ofcourse! :)

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 7:16 pm

“Who’s going to do a video response to the Spin Report? Anyone?”
Well I guess if anyone would like to see my response of showing Netwinner my middle finger for 30 seconds, I believe I can accommodate this request.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 7:18 pm

Aaron said:
Well now I can’t stop getting E-mail from reply posts from NWC and I can’t log in to stop it, guess they get the spam button.
Don’t forget to his that button again the next time one of Netwinner’s LieLetters comes out too!

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 7:18 pm

real mature

Mat May 13, 2008 at 7:19 pm

I’m 16. And I signed up for netwinner I thought it would be cool to get some extra cash and maybe buy a gf with the cash:P well, ok maybe not a gf, but I thought it would be really sweet to get some extra cash, So I signed up..and all was good, tell they got rid of there prize drawings.. now most of you out there are probably like “who cares what this kidd is saying” but ill tell you this, when your dads a general attorney its pretty cool, when all you have to do is show him these comments:] and thats what I have done. So Netwinner, you are going to have a case on your hands:]

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 7:19 pm

” May 13, 2008 3:48 PM
Rich said:
Too articulately? But according to Mike he is a journalist, you’d think he could handle words over 3 letters long.

Mike’s translation of a journalist is someone who posts on many forums. That means we’re all journalists too! Yay! We can spell it and everything!

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 7:21 pm

” Anonymous said:
always thought mjp65 had bad language/spelling. Could not understand why NW hired him. Oh and yes, quite rude as well.

And another Bingo! is called from the back of the room. Winner!

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 7:26 pm

” May 13, 2008 4:09 PM
isitrigged said:
Yes! Finally they fall flat on their faces.. I tried to warn everyone that NetWinner was a scam over 4 months ago. When Banko was released as beta I was ripped off a couple of times (once being the Jackpot). So I decompiled the flash game and discovered compelling evidence that the games are rigged.
But why rig the games? Well if they can control when you win and how much you win then they can manage how much they give out and how much they profit (Not a bad thing). But they were advertising their site and their games as a game of chance with a set percentage of winning. If they control who wins when they win and how much they win then that percentage and their claims of being a game of chance in not true at all.
I called it even before it happened, they got rid of cash prizes all together and have now made your chances of winning even slimmer, while those dumb enough to waste their time is racking in some serious revenue money for them..
Check out my blog for more.. http://isitrigged.wordpress.com

My goodness but we have a lot of Bingo!s this evening! Another winner!
I told them this almost two years ago and was lied to about and banned from the forum. Oh my Netwinner. Is that supposed to be meaningful? It never negated what you were doing and that others would find this little nugget and post it as well. You knew this though when you saw it posted on my website too didn’t you? Or were you too busy being self-satisfied contemplating your navel lint in your cocoon of lies, Netwinner? Either way, you never were good at fixing things. Just lying about them. Your cluelessness makes it so much easier to out you. Thanks!

Buddy May 13, 2008 at 7:30 pm

Filed my BBB claim today. It’s not the money, but I can’t stand the way these people operate.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 7:33 pm

” May 13, 2008 4:29 PM
Anonymous said:
no need to bash the mods! Lay it off! I no longer play for your information- and my anger/disappointment is towards the NW honchos..not the mods for goodness sake! Why can’t some people understand that?

Oh my! Posting an answer to someone’s question with a video made by the mods is “Lay it on” (using your horrendous paraphrasing there). You have quite a bit to learn about how conversations work. I would like to help you improve your skills in this area. Please answer the following questions out loud. No need to post your responses here as this is a self-help exercise created especially for you:
1. What is your favorite color?
2. What is your favorite flavor of ice cream?
3. Who do you think you are trying that sh*t when we all know you’re just trying to get attention.
See? That wasn’t so hard was it? Using this style of communication is called “having a conversation on a bulletin board or internet forum”. Pretty neat huh?
Please take what you have learned here and apply it all over the internet. You will be having conversations in no time! Instead of just blurting out random, hostile, clueless remarks.
*Reading would also be helpful.
Thanks for stopping by!

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 7:35 pm

” May 13, 2008 4:35 PM
justgranny said:
I know my opinion is as valuable as all those useless points that were “traded” ”
No. You’re wrong about that. Your opinion is very valuable here. :)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 7:44 pm

” May 13, 2008 5:51 PM
ME said:
HOW LOW OF THEM TO POST ON HERE saying that crap netwinner shame on you shame shame
plus what is this 40% cheaters grabage
you must put in a code to verify yourself everyone uses this now and no one else has problems with this..so tell me HOW DO YOU CHEAT??

Remember who is telling you this. Netwinner. The company who lied about everything else. As always their accusations against the player base as whole are unfounded and more smoke and mirrors they use to attempt to get you to turn away from the real problem. Netwinner and it’s business practices.

acsfl May 13, 2008 at 7:48 pm

Did anybody happen to get a record of the fulfillment thread before they deleted it? And better yet, before they edited all the “promises” out?

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 7:51 pm

” May 13, 2008 6:18 PM
knothead said:
SORRY FOR THE CAPS BUT CHECK THIS OUT —
this is the first post this guy ever made in forum and he was banned from forum by the time i got back this afternoon and read it -
“I’m curious as to why the mods/admins appear to have been paid – when you see there name in the winners list on game site at the left they all have less than 100k points and many only have few hundred – hard to believe since payments only went to some people in November that they havent played or gotten points since before that – hmmmmmmmmmmm”

Yes, this observation is right on the money (no pun intended). When points for the mods go down in large increments at a time like that, they do not even have the excuse that they used their points for raffle entries. They would only go down by small increments at a time as raffle entries are in the very low point range. Good eye! :)

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 7:54 pm

” May 13, 2008 6:29 PM
anonymous187 said:
It would be cool to ping the locations of their IP’s. I would love to show up at one of these admins or mods door stp and see if they as brave as they act over the internet calling people “losers” and telling them to “get jobs” or “get a life”.. It is possible! ;-)

Oh I doubt you’d be met with anything remotely resembling bravery. ;)

acsfl May 13, 2008 at 7:57 pm

Well, I guess my post of “poof, gone” in the where did the fulfillment thread go post got me banned…. wooohooooooooooooooo…..
So, I guess I’ll get my NW news here.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 7:58 pm

” May 13, 2008 6:39 PM
Not hard to guess who I am said:
I agree that it is amazing that the majority here are really working towards a common goal..Some are just here for comic relief..and I guess we need that Too!.
I too am grateful to Becky for allowing us to have a space where we Dont have to deal with the “Netford wives” who are still doing the same old same old..”I Wub Netwinner” Garbage..
I feel like giving them a slap upside the head so that the hamster starts running on the wheel again.Not so ironically these are the very people who over the last few months were chanting the “They Will pay” mantra..Oh and Surprise surprise they are now posting about their great “wins” on one of the partner sites..
You know what I Say?BULL! I see this as nothing more than MORE smoke and Mirrors..Imaginary “winners” or even worse Netwinner zombies who will say Anything they can to keep Netwinners cash cow alive.

Why am I not surprised that these people who are posting their “big wins” don’t realize that 0 chance of winning 0 prizes equals 0? Too many Twinkies killing the brain cells? Or is it what’s in the kool-aid over there. The kool-aid payoffs do explain so much I think.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 8:01 pm

” May 13, 2008 6:47 PM
Anonymous said:
To stick around and moderate a site who is treating it’s members like that means they are not being mistreated as the rest of the members are. They must be receiving payment in some sense to stick around instead of being volunteers as they claim. Another lie…. I wouldn’t be surprised!

Yes, it’s already been proven that they were. Others have admitted this being the case as well. Both mods and players who did not agree to accept what was owed to them (anyway) as hush money. All neatly wrapped up with a slimy, Netwinner bow.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 8:02 pm

” May 13, 2008 6:49 PM
Anonymous said:
WHAT DOES BOBT have to do with anything??

Read yesterday and today’s threads here for the answers you seek. If you still need help then by all means ask again.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 8:14 pm

The next time any of the Netwinner lackeys chime in with that tired “At least I’ve got the guts to use my real name” jazz. Ask them to post:
1. A copy of their driver’s license clearly showing all identifying information including their photo.
2. A photo of their face next to their post.
3. A screenshot of their ip identifying information which can be obtained at a plethora of websites free of charge.
Becky can then confirm the ip information matches on all three submissions and then and only then will we agree that someone is using their real name here. Since certain people feel the need to harp on the subject by making demands for identification, I feel they should be the first ones to provide it.
If they agree to these terms…they are ofcourse fools. No one in their right mind would request any such thing or even care about the piddly matter of forum user names when there are bigger fish that are actually worth frying.
I’ve got a big frying pan and it’s waiting for a NetwinnerFish. Got my pole and my basket. What do you got Netwinner? What do you got? You got air, that’s what. Right between your corporate and lackey ears if you think we’ll fall for your requests being remotely logical instead of what they are: bullying.
ID Snoops, thanks so much for completely missing the point of an open discussion forum and as always…for stopping by.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 8:18 pm

” May 13, 2008 6:56 PM
knothead said:
heck, if nw paid me i might be here and in forum singing their praises and insulting everyone who disagrees with me too
i would be scared to go out in public though after what my company had done to so many people ”
I have to disagree.
Any mod who wants to come here, confess their sins and prove that they are no longer a mod while spilling their guts should be welcomed with open arms. If for nothing else, for coming to their senses.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 8:21 pm

“mike says
I have worked here almost two years. I have never not been paid. I have been treated well by everybody in the company. I know, we know what we did this week was wrong, but it was the only option other than closing doors. If we do go under so be it, but you are wrong about me and about the compnay”
Did somebody say something? Let me rephrase that…
Did somebody who is NOT a lying POS scam artist say something? No? I thought not.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 8:24 pm

” May 13, 2008 7:09 PM
Canuck said:
Then let NetWienner close their doors or even let US close our accounts so they won’t have members showing up so they can collect money from new customers.
Does anyone lives near by their office? Is it still there or is it a postal box?

As mentioned in the other thread, you could always call here to find out where it is: 704 654 0726

Tinkertoo (not BANNED here) May 13, 2008 at 8:24 pm

Isn’t it poetic justice that the same tool they used to exploit everyone is the same one that allows us to expose them for the lowlife pondscum they are? I just wonder how anyone with an ounce of self-respect could continue to work (paid or not) for a company who not only cheats and steals, but then laughs at the people who played their game? Luckily Charles Manson is in prison because it looks like he’d have some new followers to choose from to do his evil!

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 8:26 pm

” May 13, 2008 7:18 PM
Anonymous said:
real mature

Thank you, it’s fun. It’s about time something related to Netwinner was fun again! =)

bruce May 13, 2008 at 8:26 pm

hi all
i have a question perhaps someone with a legal background could answer.
once a person is informed of a scam being committed and they still continue to promote said scam can they now be held just as guilty as the person/persons who started the scam.fraud.
in otherwords seeing as the mods are now aware of what is going on and that netwinner does not intend to pay the thousands and thousands of people that are owed money would the continued promotion by the mods now constitute fraud on their part as well?

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 8:27 pm

Quote: Thank you, it’s fun. It’s about time something related to Netwinner was fun again! =)
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 8:30 pm

” May 13, 2008 7:26 PM
Buddy said:
Filed my BBB claim today. It’s not the money, but I can’t stand the way these people operate.

Yay! Thanks so much for helping everyone here by doing that. Have a piece of delicious potluck cake and a cup of coffee. We’re glad you’re here!

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 8:33 pm

” acsfl said:
Well, I guess my post of “poof, gone” in the where did the fulfillment thread go post got me banned…. wooohooooooooooooooo…..”
Care for some cake? We have plenty. :)

Cuffedaddy May 13, 2008 at 8:37 pm

Well what I get for posting here defending something that I believe in? I get people calling my GRANDMOTHERS house harrassing her and telling her I am affliated with liars, cheats etc. Its one thing to call me but to call family memebers come on folks. It needs to stop. Thank you for your time

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 8:38 pm

” May 13, 2008 8:24 PM
Tinkertoo (not BANNED here) said:
Isn’t it poetic justice that the same tool they used to exploit everyone is the same one that allows us to expose them for the lowlife pondscum they are? I just wonder how anyone with an ounce of self-respect could continue to work (paid or not) for a company who not only cheats and steals, but then laughs at the people who played their game? Luckily Charles Manson is in prison because it looks like he’d have some new followers to choose from to do his evil!

Yes, well Leslie Van Houten, convicted Manson looney was recently diagnosed with cancer. Perhaps the folks over at Netwinner are auditioning for who will be the lucky one to take her place?

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 8:41 pm

” May 13, 2008 8:26 PM
bruce said:
hi all
i have a question perhaps someone with a legal background could answer.
once a person is informed of a scam being committed and they still continue to promote said scam can they now be held just as guilty as the person/persons who started the scam.fraud.
in otherwords seeing as the mods are now aware of what is going on and that netwinner does not intend to pay the thousands and thousands of people that are owed money would the continued promotion by the mods now constitute fraud on their part as well?

No need to be an attorney to answer this one.
Knowing about and/or aiding any person or entity in the commission of a crime (including keeping silent on one’s knowledge thereof), constitutes Aiding and Abetting which is ofcourse a serious felony. See the previous thread for a detailed description of this information in a link provided by our thoughtful webmistress Becky. :)

Anon May 13, 2008 at 8:42 pm

Cuffedaddy said:
Well what I get for posting here defending something that I believe in? I get people calling my GRANDMOTHERS house harrassing her and telling her I am affliated with liars, cheats etc. Its one thing to call me but to call family memebers come on folks. It needs to stop. Thank you for your time
It wasn’t me! My sister did it!!!

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 8:43 pm

” Cuffedaddy said:
Well what I get for posting here defending something that I believe in? I get people calling my GRANDMOTHERS house harrassing her and telling her I am affliated with liars, cheats etc. Its one thing to call me but to call family memebers come on folks. It needs to stop. Thank you for your time

Well I guess you shouldn’t be associated with those types which would negate you having these problems. Hindsight is sooo 20/20 sometimes, isn’t it?
Thanks for stopping by, my favorite pinata!

luvhockey May 13, 2008 at 8:45 pm

I’ve read quite angrily all that has been going on the past few months. I never posted over at NW because I had nothing to add. I am only owed $25 plus I have 50,000 pts that I consider as another $50. Just letting you know that I filed a BBB report and my form to the AG is stamped and ready to go in the mail tomorrow

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 8:45 pm

Hahahaha!!!

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 8:47 pm

That hahaha was for You’reGoingDown’s post, luv, not yours. Sorry about that! I forgot to quote. Naughty.

Cuffedaddy May 13, 2008 at 8:48 pm

Pinata huh, all Im going to say it needs to stop if the shoe was on the other foot I would not call someones house and harass and elderly woman

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 8:49 pm

” May 13, 2008 8:43 PM
luvhockey said:
I’ve read quite angrily all that has been going on the past few months. I never posted over at NW because I had nothing to add. I am only owed $25 plus I have 50,000 pts that I consider as another $50. Just letting you know that I filed a BBB report and my form to the AG is stamped and ready to go in the mail tomorrow

“Only $25″ is more than only 0 and it rightfully belongs to you! Sit down, put your feet up and have some cake and coffee. We’re glad you’re here! :)

Vickie May 13, 2008 at 8:49 pm

Read what this idiot just wrote on netwinner
It is under general questions and it says Get Over It
This is what I sent to Mike,
First of all, I just want to let you know that I have had so much fun playing the MoneyWheel and Banko. I also want to let you know that I am not going to rant and rave about the money that I have lost due to the changes being made. I thought that you would like to receive a thank you message from a member who appreciated the wal mart cards that were used for gas, groceries, etc. I think that a lot of members have forgotten the prizes that they have received.
I have been doing ‘reward programs’ for almost 10 years and I have seen them come and I have seen them go, too many to count, unfortunately. I do now know if you have heard of Beenz. Your situation is so like theirs was. Too much, too soon. I do not know what your plans are, or what the future will bring for Netwinner. I just want to let you know that there are those of us that understand that this is a free site where we were able to have fun and win great prizes and meet new friends.
What I do not understand is people take their ‘free time’ to play on a free site and then get bent out of shape when things go wrong. I have been on reward sites where one day they were there and then the next day they literally were not. No notice, no alternative for prizes, nothing.
I just tacked this one on:
I do not take away from my family time, my laundry time, etc. to do Netwinner. I have free time to play on a free site. Come on everyone, it’s not like they are closing their doors. If everyone would just say “OK let’s start over” instead of seeing how they can get Netwinner in trouble, they may actually be able to pull this off. Yes, they owed me money, $200.00 in fact and I could really, really, use it; but I am not going moan, groan, complain or threaten everyone over it.
Okay, let it come!
Right after that Mike has a post and it says I Love You
This makes me sick how some kiss butts are!

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 8:51 pm

” May 13, 2008 8:47 PM
Cuffedaddy said:
Pinata huh, all Im going to say it needs to stop if the shoe was on the other foot I would not call someones house and harass and elderly woman

You reap what you sew, oh clueless pinata. You should know this by now if you’ve been acting so cluelessly your whole life. Oh what am I saying? You’re still doing it! LOL
You only care about the situation here when it affects you. As the ChurchLady would say, “How Conveeeeeeeenient!”
Would you like a kleenex?

Vickie May 13, 2008 at 8:52 pm

This is what an idiot wrote on netwinner
It is under general questions and it says Get Over It
This is what I sent to Mike,
First of all, I just want to let you know that I have had so much fun playing the MoneyWheel and Banko. I also want to let you know that I am not going to rant and rave about the money that I have lost due to the changes being made. I thought that you would like to receive a thank you message from a member who appreciated the wal mart cards that were used for gas, groceries, etc. I think that a lot of members have forgotten the prizes that they have received.
I have been doing ‘reward programs’ for almost 10 years and I have seen them come and I have seen them go, too many to count, unfortunately. I do now know if you have heard of Beenz. Your situation is so like theirs was. Too much, too soon. I do not know what your plans are, or what the future will bring for Netwinner. I just want to let you know that there are those of us that understand that this is a free site where we were able to have fun and win great prizes and meet new friends.
What I do not understand is people take their ‘free time’ to play on a free site and then get bent out of shape when things go wrong. I have been on reward sites where one day they were there and then the next day they literally were not. No notice, no alternative for prizes, nothing.
I just tacked this one on:
I do not take away from my family time, my laundry time, etc. to do Netwinner. I have free time to play on a free site. Come on everyone, it’s not like they are closing their doors. If everyone would just say “OK let’s start over” instead of seeing how they can get Netwinner in trouble, they may actually be able to pull this off. Yes, they owed me money, $200.00 in fact and I could really, really, use it; but I am not going moan, groan, complain or threaten everyone over it.
Okay, let it come!
The comment after this was from Mike and he said I Love You
What a complete kiss butt this person is. They make me want to puke!

Rich May 13, 2008 at 8:57 pm

Well I’m finally caught up on all the comments from when I left for class tonight. I just want to add about the legal advice, it also doesn’t take a lawyer to know that being an accessory after the fact is the same thing as aiding and abetting, if you committ a serious crime (i.e. fraud), and tell someone about it or they gain knowledge of it (i.e. moderators have to know now that NW is a fraudulent company – making promises that it never intends to deliver on), then they must act by turning the criminal in or they are considered just as guilty. I would advise any volunteer moderator to carefully consider if a prison sentence for accessory to fraud is worth defending a company that has no ethics.

Vickie May 13, 2008 at 8:57 pm

Here is another comment that somebody made on netwinner
i’m still trying to get referrals!
LONG LIVE NETWINNER!
the best site on the net!
PUKE! PUKE! PUKE!

25Percent May 13, 2008 at 9:02 pm

Anyone know of a good lawyer that wants to work contingent. I would GLADLY hand over 25% of what I am owed if settled. Some lawyer could make a nice $$$ if a lot of people signed up!

Becky May 13, 2008 at 9:04 pm

I’ve been thinking about the mods.
Suppose we give them the benefit of the doubt and say they did not know this was coming (whoa, hold on, hear me out).
I hear their excuse for sticking around, “Because we have made so many good friends here.”
Which ones are your good friends? The ones who got screwed? Because any chance you had of being friends with the people you used to playfully banter with before is shot to hell if you continue on as a mod. They don’t respect you for staying with the company in an official capacity as a moderator. It makes you “THEM” instead of “US.” You *might* have a shot at salvaging some respect if you stood up for your FRIENDS by stepping down from your position.
Or maybe the “friends” the mods refer to are just the other mods.
I don’t have any stake in this — I don’t care if you stay or if you go — but from the outside looking in, it seems like the members feel just as betrayed by the mods, who they thought of as their friends, continuing on as volunteer employees of the company that screwed them. Can you blame them? Who would want to be friends with someone like that?

Not hard to guess who I am May 13, 2008 at 9:09 pm

Whoo Hooo!! I was finally Banned at Netwinner!!and it was because of your latest pile of horse dung over there PuffeDaddy!
So Netwinner Central is one More step towards being Nothing but a “glee club”full of the self proclaimed sheep.
I am just dissapointed that I was banned for such a small ‘infraction’ NO Warning..just Poof there I was gone.
But what else should be expected from a forum that is now noting more than a propaganda tool for a site that is trying to desperately milk every last cent out of their advertisers before they finally carsh completely.Clean out the riff raff who are telling the truth and only show posts from people who are proclaiming their “wonderful, great Oh So yummy prizes from the love of their lives”that in all likelyhood they will NEVER receive..
This is actually a Very poor move for Net..winner,because up till now I was sitting on my hands..But come friday morning..I have a feeling the gloves will be off.Thats 48 hours of reprieve for them.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 9:10 pm

“Or maybe the “friends” the mods refer to are just the other mods.”
Another Bingo! for you Becky! It’s definitely your lucky night, I must say!

acsfl May 13, 2008 at 9:11 pm

Not Hard to guess who I am:
I was banned for two words “poof, gone”. I got no warning either.

Mistyshadow44 May 13, 2008 at 9:11 pm

I never once had anything publicly bad to say about the mods. Before we all got ripped off and had our winnings taken away from us, I just thought they were very naive people who were clueless. Now that it’s out in the open and netwinner has screwed everyone out of their winnings, I see no excuse as to why someone would still want to volunteer for them. To continue to support a site by knowing it’s committing fraud makes them no better in my opinion.
I have filed a complaint with the BBB on May 5th and I plan on filing more complaints with other departments. This site needs to be put out of operations so not allowed to victimize more innocent people.

Mistyshadow44 May 13, 2008 at 9:12 pm

I never once had anything publicly bad to say about the mods. Before we all got ripped off and had our winnings taken away from us, I just thought they were very naive people who were clueless. Now that it’s out in the open and netwinner has screwed everyone out of their winnings, I see no excuse as to why someone would still want to volunteer for them. To continue to support a site by knowing it’s committing fraud makes them no better in my opinion.
I have filed a complaint with the BBB on May 5th and I plan on filing more complaints with other departments. This site needs to be put out of operations so not allowed to victimize more innocent people.

No One May 13, 2008 at 9:14 pm

Chuffdaddy said:
Pinata huh, all Im going to say it needs to stop if the shoe was on the other foot I would not call someones house and harass and elderly woman
First off, I am NOT saying it’s OK to call anyone who is innocent and harass them (personally, I wouldn’t even call someone who was guilty – that’s what the Attorney General is for). But you need to remember that YOU came here first and started harassing others, amongst them, I’m sure, an elderly woman who never did anything to you.

bruce May 13, 2008 at 9:14 pm

i have a question for cuffdaddy
you said in a earlier this is what you get for coming here and posting about somethinmg you believe in. please enlighten me what part of netwinner do you believe in. the part where the site cheated thousands of people out of all that money.
or
do you believe in the part where the site changes the t.o.s. on a whim so that they ( think they are covered ) dont have to pay the money owed.
or
perhaps you believe that the people that have been playing at netwinner need to stop whinning and get a life. and put one foot in front of the other ( careful remember you also are one of us that played daily).
or
perhaps you like most of the mods in my beliefs are owners of the affiliate sites therefore would have a invested reason to back a company that has scammed so many honest players. so which is it hmmmmmm
you know what it really does not matter the way i look at it is anyone that has defended the site in the past ( before the letter from the president ) could be because they truly believed what they were fighting for and perhaps netwinner was going to pay. but now to defend a site has shown that they have no intension to pay the money they owe. why would a honest person defend a site that has acted in such a dishonest way.
i myself in the past few weeks was starting to think perhaps i could of misjudged netwinner because i got a payment on my ecount card for $25 on 5/5/08 of course i had cashed out for it on 11/5/07 so i thought ok so i was wrong netwinner is going to pay all they owe me . then first thing monday i open my email and find the letter from the president&COO. AND AT THAT POINT MY BELIEFS WERE REPLACED THAT THE SITE WAS A SCAM AND WAS INTENDING TO SCAM EVERYONE. so you tell us just what are your beliefs.
i guess you believe that people should just turn the other cheek and give netwinner a second chance. here is something for you and all the other people that still defend this site after has transpired in the past few days.
if you had a business and you hired a employee and that employee stole your bank deposit would you say oh well he made a mistake and thus give that employee a second chance or would you do the smart thing and have the thief arrested?
myself i would have the employee arrested just as i think should happen to each and everyone who is associated with netwinner who is aware of the actions of the company in the past few days. you can not know someone has commited a crime and still defend them and continue to promote them and help them to continue to commit the said scam doing so would mean that you also are now committing the same fraude. not even a defense attorney can know about a crime that is being committed and that could harm others either physically or financially and not say anything. because doing so would in turn mean they are an accessory after the fact.

pkb143 May 13, 2008 at 9:16 pm

Here’s my “resignation” from Netwinner – it’s what I posted this evening on the Netwinner forum. I think it only fair that I also deleted my original “lens” about Netwinner at Squidoo and replaced it with a “sadder but wiser” version. Feel free to visit (click on my name) and leave a comment (keep it clean, please).
**********************************************************
(NW FORUM POST)
I’ve been a Netwinner player since Sept. 2006. This WAS my favorite place on the net and I told LOTS of people about it.
I avidly supported NW and even set up a “lens page” on Squidoo about it (got some referrals that way). I posted ALL OVER THE ‘NET about what a great place Netwinner was.
The key here is the verb “WAS.” The deleting of my $200 cashout and turning it into raffles for prizes I don’t want or need was quite enough but to do it thousands of times over to all the Netwinner players on the pretense of fighting fraud goes beyond the pale. And while Netwinner was planning to take away our already redeemed prizes, they lied about it and reassured us every chance they got.
Netwinner has now betrayed our trust and I cannot in good conscience involve myself anymore, which is a shame because some of the people here are really great. Yeah, I could dump all my points into raffles and stick around for the contests, but I really just lost my enthusiasm and trust in Netwinner. I’ve had enough, really.
Good-bye, all.
****************************************************************
–Becky, I reposted your instructions on “what to do” — if this is not acceptable with you, please e-mail me! and by the way, thanks for all your support to all of us “former” Netwinner players. I tried posting this previously but it appears it didn’t “take” – my apologies if this turns out to be a duplicate post.

Rich May 13, 2008 at 9:21 pm

Well its official, I’m banned!
AHardison stopped by and said NW isn’t perfect and I said he had one thing right, because there is no such thing as the perfect crime and I am now banned LOL

acsfl May 13, 2008 at 9:23 pm

gee, looks like they are on a banning kick. Glad they get such a thrill out of their power. Bite me.

Vickie May 13, 2008 at 9:23 pm

This person just does not get it. Never understand why is she sticking up for netwinner. She is the one that started the topic Get Over It.
I was hoping for more of a response. If there were only more positive posts from people…maybe some of the naysayers would think twice. I am not saying that the people from NetWinner are perfect, they aren’t or we would not be here under these circumstances. But no one is perfect, and they did what they thought was right. And I am sure that there are plenty of members who will say that their idea of right is different than NetWinners. But how many of them have tried to start up an online company? How can they accuse when they have not been there? Just 2 cents worth (more) from JustDeb!

Tinkertoo (not BANNED here) May 13, 2008 at 9:29 pm

Should we have a “raffle” prize for the person who comes closest to guessing the amount of hours Netloser has to go before they are gone? I go first…Tuesday , May 20th at 8:30 a.m. — that is about when they will start receiving the BBB complaints! Oh, and according to the TOS of this raffle, there is not actually aprize, but I will double your bragging rights!

Rich May 13, 2008 at 9:29 pm

Do they think banning everyone from the forum is going to make us drop our complaints with the DOJ or BBB? If anything, it makes me think we have a stronger case!

Anon May 13, 2008 at 9:31 pm

Anyone who is calling and pranking the mods family members are cowards. Maybe you guys should try to be the bigger person and contact BBB and the attorney general rather than resorting to childish behavior.
To the mods that are being pranked (cuz i know they’re reading this) keep a record. You can go to the police over this.

luvhockey May 13, 2008 at 9:39 pm

I also sent a bunch of info to foxnew.com but I don’t have as much as many of you have. They love to investigate this kind of stuff, we’ll sic Geraldo on them!
Send any info and links to ureport@foxnews.com

luvhockey May 13, 2008 at 9:40 pm

I also sent a bunch of info to foxnew.com but I don’t have as much as many of you have. They love to investigate this kind of stuff, we’ll sic Geraldo on them!
Send any info and links to ureport@foxnews.com

thecommittee May 13, 2008 at 9:40 pm

The Federal Trade Commission also needs to be informed of what took place. There are specific rules, regulations and guidelines for the internet, most of which are applied to other types of advertising and marketing.
_____________________________________________________________
From: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/ruleroad.shtm
“The Federal Trade Commission Act allows the FTC to act in the interest of all consumers to prevent deceptive and unfair acts or practices. In interpreting Section 5 of the Act, the Commission has determined that a representation, omission or practice is deceptive if it is likely to:
-mislead consumers and
-affect consumers’ behavior or decisions about the product or service.
In addition, an act or practice is unfair if the injury it causes, or is likely to cause, is:
-substantial
-not outweighed by other benefits and
-not reasonably avoidable.
The FTC Act prohibits unfair or deceptive advertising in any medium. That is, advertising must tell the truth and not mislead consumers. A claim can be misleading if relevant information is left out or if the claim implies something that’s not true.”
_______________________________________________________________
Here is the complaint form: https://rn.ftc.gov/images/FTC_complaintlogo.gif

Rich May 13, 2008 at 9:43 pm

Hmm I think “you play, we pay” when they refuse to pay constitutes misleading consumers. Time to go complain to the FCC, hope I’m not the only one, thanks for the link thecommittee.

Not hard to guess who I am May 13, 2008 at 9:45 pm

Hey why dont we form a facebook group I was ripped by Netwinner and then they banned me to shut me up!lol..
Note to self..
Creat facebook group 8AM friday;)
Tinker?? I take Monday the 26th of May because we all Know that no one other than the mods works weekends at Netwinner.
Oh and a funny..when I got the “you cant get in door” its says ..Contact no-reply@netwinner.com..
Now in MY experience No Reply means NO answer right?EVERY time I get this kind of email from a contest entry etc it means that it will NOT reply ebcause it is an automated response.hahahahahahaha!! How classically Netwinner!!

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 9:47 pm

I’m not trying to start a let’s bash the mods post ( they pretty much did that to themselves lol). But I was just wondering if anybody knows how come Hardtimer hasn’t been on?

thecommittee May 13, 2008 at 9:48 pm

Something else of interest from the FTC link above:
“Third parties – such as advertising agencies or website designers and catalog marketers – also may be liable for making or disseminating deceptive representations if they participate in the preparation or distribution of the advertising, or know about the deceptive claims.”

Rich May 13, 2008 at 9:48 pm

Not hard to guess,
My theory is no-reply and support are interchangeable e-mail addresses in the NW domain. A form letter telling people they will get paid when they get paid (now changed to you’ll never get paid) is not support!

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 9:49 pm

ughhhhh..has anyone noticed Mike’s new avatar over at NW ?????? ughhhhh

Aaron May 13, 2008 at 9:50 pm

Nope, cuz I been banned

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 9:52 pm

under the title, “administrator” is a picture of Abraham Lincoln
ughhh

James May 13, 2008 at 9:52 pm

Maybe it’s a wise choice for Hardtimer to NOT say anything?
After all, what is she going to say to change the thinking of a
lynchmob?

Aaron May 13, 2008 at 9:53 pm

Jebbus, what an incredible ego monster

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 9:54 pm

someone asked a question about why hardtimer has not been on. She and two other mods were hired by NW to assist Mike from what I saw posted.

Cuffedaddy May 13, 2008 at 9:54 pm

I do not need to post why I believe, I do know the if the calls continue I will be filing charges. and I never harassed anyone.

thecommittee May 13, 2008 at 9:56 pm

Pkb143, thecommittee wishes to commend your moral fortitude and courage. Thank you, Madam or Sir, for recognizing wrongdoing and then doing something about it.

Rich May 13, 2008 at 9:59 pm

Ha! That’s funny, and proves Mike doesn’t know his history. After all, Honest Abe believed in paying people for their time and work…

Canuck May 13, 2008 at 10:02 pm

Is Netwienner really big?
Iwas watching their spin reports and they have headquartes in a few states, or are they just playing with our heads and work out of their toilets.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 10:04 pm

Have some cake Not hard! You’ve earned it! :)
There are a ton of ways to get back into that forum. I’ve done it a million times.
The easiest is by first clearing your cookies and cache in your browser (and following the rest of these instructions).
Then shutting off your internet connection (or just disconnecting from the internet if you’re not using a router) for a minute, turning it back on and viola! You will be reassigned a new ip address.
Then go to the forum and sign up for a new account. If they’re still sending out confirmation emails or require an email, use a disposable one like yahoo.com with no identifying information.
Check your email and click the link to confirm (again, if this step is still necessary. It’s been a month or so since I clanged in there with my pirate’s eye patch and parrot on my shoulder so this step may no longer be necessary.)
Sign into the forum with your shiny new user name and post like a fiend.
If this doesn’t work, that means they’re banning by ip address. That’s ok, there are several ways to get around that as well.
A big bonus if they are banning by ip address is that if they do it that way now, they’ll be shutting out the kiss-asses in that ip range as well as you! Isn’t that spectacular?
I did this one time on a forum to prove a finer point by proxy server so that those who owned the forum could not even post on it. I guess they shouldn’t have lied so much or they wouldn’t have been so inconvenienced in that way. Oh well, que sera sera. All that would need to be done here would be for the ip used to be in Charlotte, NC.
The above was accomplished by using a proxy server and finding a ip address through proxy in the same area where their Nazi’s were posting from. Using a proxy server isn’t a crime by the way. All of you who use them no that, I’m sure. What is illegal is creating a denial of service attack through the use of too many connections.
So anyone who wants to point fingers at me for showing people how to get back into Netwinner’s forum because they feel like it, needs to realize that no laws are broken if they do. I also feel that those who have been unjustifiably removed for simply having an opinion should not have been removed in the first place. However, petitioning the forum staff, Mike or other Netwinner employees to rightfully regain access will get you nowhere. This will.
I won’t give further instruction on how to do any of the above, but I will tell you that this perfectly legal information is available on the internet.
Have a lovely evening.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 10:05 pm

Toilets is using the nice word for it, yes

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 10:07 pm

Ha! That’s funny, and proves Mike doesn’t know his history. After all, Honest Abe believed in paying people for their time and work…
yeah…that is exactly what I thought and wanted to inform people. ha! I am just sick of this whole thing. Next week no more logging into netwinner. I have not used up my points yet. Don’t need or want any of those awful raffle prizes that I will most likely NOT win.

Adam May 13, 2008 at 10:09 pm

“under the title, “administrator” is a picture of Abraham Lincoln
ughhh”
this just confirms yet again how much of an a-hole mike is. no one in their right mind would change their avatar to abraham lincoln (aka Honest Abe!!) after what just happened at netwinner. if he doesn’t realize what he is doing by changing his avatar to abe, mike would offically be one of the most dense people this planet has ever seen.
good going, mike *rollseyes*

Aaron May 13, 2008 at 10:11 pm

Maybe he’s from Bizaro Universe and is Dishonest Abe?

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 10:14 pm

Has anyone else noticed that cuffedaddy, my favorite pinata has not so much as apologized for coming in here and telling members to get a job, etc? That he only came in here to claim that we are calling his grandmother?
I doubt anyone here would do that to your grandmother, pinata. But I guess it was the first thing to come to you (instead of honesty and integrity) because that’s what you’d do if you had the chance. Oh pinata, pinata, pinata…What a tangled but transparent web you weave!

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 10:16 pm

Well done bruce & pkb! I always knew you had it in you! :) Cake? Footstool? Coffee? There’s plenty you know :)

bruce May 13, 2008 at 10:18 pm

i want to thank netwinner for treating me the way they did if not for them being so dishonest i never would of gone surfing the net for another game site to win money at. so thanks netwinner you are the best at breaking promises and forcing players to find other means of online fun. i do not want to post the name of the site here but if anyone wants to know the name please send becky a request i think i gave her the name of the site. i will not be wanting any referrals from this i just want to try and give a few of you a little of what netwinner has stolen from you and that would be the trust in online game sites. this site does not pay much only about .10 per day or if you are upgraded then .30 per day you can play as many games a day as you want but only get paid for 100 games daily. as i said send becky a request and i am sure she would love to have the referrals. the site also gives a small prize to each of the top 3 players on each of the 83 games that they have at this time. so becky i hope this bit of info is ok and for those of you that have lost time at netwinner i hope you can regain some faith at this site.

Aaron May 13, 2008 at 10:20 pm

We can’t even believe you when you say someone is harassing your granny Mike. NW employees don’t have any cred now. Could be your just saying that hoping to make a few people feel bad. Sounds more likely. and if it has happened, go to granny and say “I’m sorry granny, I helped defraud 1000′s of people and they hate me and they hate me so much some of them harrased you.” But I’m sure your not telling granny you helped rip people off.

Not hard to guess who I am May 13, 2008 at 10:21 pm

Thanks for the tips! I might use them at some time in the near future..Not to post really but to gather LOL..
To be honest..Mine was No doubt one of my far less” offensive” post Geez I didnt even get a chance to call anyone names..
and thanks for the cake..I Like mine chocolate please.

Rich May 13, 2008 at 10:22 pm

There is the saying, “If a tree falls in the forest, and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound?”.
I’d like to propose 2 variations:
“If a moderator sticks by a dishonest company, why would anyone call to harrass his grandmother who has nothing to do with anything?” It sounds like he just made it up to try and disparage the masses against him.
and “If a cell door slams shut, and terrible, awful things happen to Netwinner executives and staff in prison, does anyone really care?” lol

bruce May 13, 2008 at 10:24 pm

omg lol

Canuck May 13, 2008 at 10:25 pm

I will try to log into Netwienner and put in a suggestion.
I’ll give them 1000 points for every rotten egg I can throw at them from 25 feet away, i’m being fair ;)

sue May 13, 2008 at 10:26 pm

Now the mods are playing the poor dead grandmother card-just like Johnny Fairplay of survivor fame. I am sure this is another lie!

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 10:26 pm

Rich said:
Well its official, I’m banned!
AHardison stopped by and said NW isn’t perfect and I said he had one thing right, because there is no such thing as the perfect crime and I am now banned LOL
LOL Good job! Brilliant!
May 13, 2008 9:29 PM
Rich said:
Do they think banning everyone from the forum is going to make us drop our complaints with the DOJ or BBB? If anything, it makes me think we have a stronger case!
Lots of Bingo!s here tonight. Congratulations Rich! You’ve won!
May 13, 2008 9:29 PM
Anon said:
Anyone who is calling and pranking the mods family members are cowards. Maybe you guys should try to be the bigger person and contact BBB and the attorney general rather than resorting to childish behavior.
Anyone who thinks that is really happening is at best a rube. I’ll be nice this time and not expand on that, though it is tempting because you make it so easy.
luvhockey said:
I also sent a bunch of info to foxnew.com but I don’t have as much as many of you have. They love to investigate this kind of stuff, we’ll sic Geraldo on them!
Feel free to copy and paste our complaints and relevent posts in your letter to any news station. I doubt anyone minds this issue getting more exposure! :)
Great post about the FTC, thecommittee! :) I think I do just that. :)
Rich said:
Hmm I think “you play, we pay” when they refuse to pay constitutes misleading consumers. Time to go complain to the FCC, hope I’m not the only one, thanks for the link thecommittee.
No, you’re not. :)

bruce May 13, 2008 at 10:27 pm

2000 for a cowpie

Rich May 13, 2008 at 10:27 pm

Canuck,
Make sure after they accept your terms that you change your Terms of Rotten Egg Throwing to only be 1 raffle entry for every 10 rotten eggs thrown from 5 feet.

Jaymie May 13, 2008 at 10:29 pm

lol, that’s a great suggestion Canuck!!! :)

pkb143 May 13, 2008 at 10:30 pm

umm…thank you, but it took me a while to finally face the truth about Netwinner. I started having doubts when they did away with the lower cashouts, then really started having them when the “p*rn connection report” came out, but this last “change” just took me over the edge.
Perhaps Mike’s avatar as Abraham Lincoln since he presided over a great civil strife. However, I don’t think even Abraham Lincoln could have saved Netwinner in this case and could it be that Mike has forgotten that President Lincoln was assassinated!

bruce May 13, 2008 at 10:31 pm

i think i will post this tomorrow on ebay
for sale
714,000 only used one time points for netwinner. bids will start at .000001 buy now for .01 i know that is steep but i do have a bit over 14,000 points that have never been used so who knows

Rich May 13, 2008 at 10:31 pm

Hey YGDNetwinner,
What do I win for the bingos? Or is it a glitch? Or do I have to wait 6 months only to find out I didn’t really win?? LOL

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 10:32 pm

Which reminds me. I wonder how all those schysters who were selling the “win free ecards. Email me to find out how!” and it was just a sign up link to NW. Wonder how they are doing now? LOL!

Aaron May 13, 2008 at 10:33 pm

Rich is cheating along with 40% of other players, better punish everyone.

Aaron May 13, 2008 at 10:36 pm

I’m sorry Rich, here’s some hush cake so you don’t tell anyone.

Mistyshadow44 May 13, 2008 at 10:36 pm

Oh no! I just realized who “Not hard to guess who I am” is. What a sad day to see or famously, fabulous member at netwinner central banned. It’s not going to be the same. No need to go there now. lol

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 10:37 pm

Oh do tell, Mistyshadow! Plz!

Rich May 13, 2008 at 10:38 pm

Oh I’m sorry Aaron, I didn’t know watching ads while “playing” a “game” was considered cheating. lol My question is (not specifically directed at Aaron lol), if they knew 40% are cheating, why not ban the 40% and refuse to pay them? If the government adopts that theory, they will say 40% of people committ crimes, lets put everyone in jail. Or worse, 40% of people overseas are terrorists, lets blow up the world. Personally, I think all 3 sound ridiculous.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 10:40 pm

Excellent idea about the Facebook and MySpace groups, Not hard! :)
May 13, 2008 9:47 PM
thecommittee said:
Something else of interest from the FTC link above:
“Third parties – such as advertising agencies or website designers and catalog marketers – also may be liable for making or disseminating deceptive representations if they participate in the preparation or distribution of the advertising, or know about the deceptive claims.”
All true! :)
May 13, 2008 9:48 PM
Rich said:
Not hard to guess,
My theory is no-reply and support are interchangeable e-mail addresses in the NW domain. A form letter telling people they will get paid when they get paid (now changed to you’ll never get paid) is not support!
No, you’re right about that. You need to write to arion.hardison@netwinner.com and allen.dean@netwinner.com Those are the people who are responsible for the lies that trickle down to you now. Any Netwinner employee can be reached that way. Mike is mike.paluch@netwinner.com Know a name? Enter it into your email that way and let them know how you feel!
May 13, 2008 9:50 PM
Anonymous said:
under the title, “administrator” is a picture of Abraham Lincoln
ughhh
Oh that is funny, isn’t it? Is Mike so daft that he doesn’t realize that Honest Abe was against slavery among other things? He would’ve been better suited choosing Genghis Kahn or any number of people who’ve been in charge of certain northern Asian aggressionist countries. :)
May 13, 2008 9:53 PM
Anonymous said:
someone asked a question about why hardtimer has not been on. She and two other mods were hired by NW to assist Mike from what I saw posted.
Heh heh. Yes we really should’ve expected her to be sucked up into the vacuum of greed shouldn’t we? She’s always been one of their biggest liars.
Cuffedaddy said:
I do not need to post why I believe, I do know the if the calls continue I will be filing charges. and I never harassed anyone.
Crickets.
May 13, 2008 9:59 PM
Canuck said:
Is Netwienner really big?
Iwas watching their spin reports and they have headquartes in a few states, or are they just playing with our heads and work out of their toilets.
If said headquarters now include employees homes and phone lines then yes, they have multiple sites. Other than that, no they do not. It’s all about making themselves look like something they’re not. Remember that. What am I saying? Ofcourse you know that. A thousand pardons please.
May 13, 2008 10:18 PM
Aaron said:
We can’t even believe you when you say someone is harassing your granny Mike. NW employees don’t have any cred now. Could be your just saying that hoping to make a few people feel bad. Sounds more likely. and if it has happened, go to granny and say “I’m sorry granny, I helped defraud 1000′s of people and they hate me and they hate me so much some of them harrased you.” But I’m sure your not telling granny you helped rip people off.
Yes, that would be the right thing for cuffed daddy to do if this were happening, which we all know it is not. I give him a C for effort and an A in transparency.

Rich May 13, 2008 at 10:41 pm

Hey Aaron, don’t you think it’s funny that people who complained last week were paid behind closed doors, and people that complained this week are just banned? And Mike must really be fuming now that Becky has been gracious enough to let us vent some frustration here where he has no control over deleting and banning.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 10:42 pm

This was posted on NW by justdeb and see bobt1956 response- PUKE
I was hoping for more of a response. If there were only more positive posts from people…maybe some of the naysayers would think twice. I am not saying that the people from NetWinner are perfect, they aren’t or we would not be here under these circumstances. But no one is perfect, and they did what they thought was right. And I am sure that there are plenty of members who will say that their idea of right is different than NetWinners. But how many of them have tried to start up an online company? How can they accuse when they have not been there? Just 2 cents worth (more) from JustDeb!
Last edited on Tue May 13th, 2008 07:19 pm by JustDeb
another player posted this response to her: geez
I agree with you, deb. I of course was upset too, but I’m not going to dwell on it, that’s for sure. Life is too short, and I try not to sweat the small stuff–and to me this was small stuff. I think you will get more replys! Good luck to you!
and the response from bobt1956
Thanks JustDeb,
Good to see someone with a realistic and sensible attitude.
I guess they still don’t get it! I am so puzzled

Aaron May 13, 2008 at 10:42 pm

Exactly right Rich. I myself doubt was hardly any fraud at all. Just another excuss to delay the inevitable. Frikkin security box pops up so often how can ya cheat? I guess it might be possible but I hardly think to many folks know how to go about setting something like that up.

Jaymie May 13, 2008 at 10:43 pm

Mistyshadow I agree. She cracked me up :)
and thank you Not hard to guess who I am for being so vocal there, you always told how it is.

Becky May 13, 2008 at 10:49 pm

Mike is telling me in PMs that someone is harassing Cuffedaddy’s grandparents by phone. I want to go on record as saying I do not approve of these tactics; as I posted earlier this morning I don’t think it’s right to punish family members by calling people at home regarding NetWinner. If you are doing this type of thing, please stop it immediately.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 10:50 pm

TBH, I really don’t think it’s actually happening. I think he’s just BS’ing to make us all look like a bunch of lunatics. I say prove it buddy!

bruce May 13, 2008 at 10:50 pm

you know i keep seeing comments about cheating from members and i ran accross this a few weeks ago. i think it would be ok to post this here and let others decide if they read the same thing i read in this about having multi accounts at netwinner read carefully here is the link and not to worry i have printed the screen because i know once i post this someone is going there to edit trust me this is something everyone will want to see. look half way down the page it will be a post from mike to hopingformiracles http://www.lottalottos.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1527&whichpage=84

Rich May 13, 2008 at 10:51 pm

I’m sure there might have been a few people that were expert programmers and could find a way to cheat. I for one, am no expert, although I have some programming experience it’s more limited to webpage development or applications on a personal computer. I wouldn’t even begin to know how to get around an image security box, nor do I care to learn how as I have much more important things to do with my time. So all of my “clicks” were by my own hand, while watching their ads, and suddenly we are all made to feel like cheaters.

jason May 13, 2008 at 10:51 pm

I can vouch for moola.com, I have receved around 80$ from thier site.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 10:51 pm

Ok to continue my prior comment…
HOwever, I would also like to say that if that is actually happening, whoever it is is going waayy overboard. And yes, you are making us look like a bunch of lunatics. Please stop.

Aaron May 13, 2008 at 10:56 pm

Indeed. And then mods come in here and say it was only a little of our time was all. $450 of my time Cuffliar, If not such a big deal how abouts you tell netwinner to pay me outa your winnings and bonuses?. Didn’t think so.

bruce May 13, 2008 at 10:57 pm

i agree there is no need to bother family members but i would like to know how a person could get the phone number for a relative. would they not have to first know who that persons relative was and seeing that would be the case then would cuffdaddy not be able to know who he referred or who may know who his grandmother is? so instead of coming here saying someone why not state they believe they know who it is and ask that person to stop. see myself i would rather stay on the side of right than lower myself to netwinner level and calling the mods family is doing just that.

Rich May 13, 2008 at 11:00 pm

It makes me sick to think I gave them the benefit of the doubt and stuck up for them until around January. Tlnblue, if you read this I owe you an apology for comments I made defending NW late last year, I was in the wrong to have ever believed Mike and his cohorts.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 11:01 pm

May 13, 2008 10:20 PM
Not hard to guess who I am said:
Thanks for the tips! I might use them at some time in the near future..Not to post really but to gather LOL..
To be honest..Mine was No doubt one of my far less” offensive” post Geez I didnt even get a chance to call anyone names..
and thanks for the cake..I Like mine chocolate please.
Think of a flavor and it is yours! We aim to please here at the comparerewards cafe :)
May 13, 2008 10:21 PM
Rich said:
There is the saying, “If a tree falls in the forest, and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound?”.
I’d like to propose 2 variations:
“If a moderator sticks by a dishonest company, why would anyone call to harrass his grandmother who has nothing to do with anything?” It sounds like he just made it up to try and disparage the masses against him.
and “If a cell door slams shut, and terrible, awful things happen to Netwinner executives and staff in prison, does anyone really care?” lol
Love, love, love it!
May 13, 2008 10:25 PM
sue said:
Now the mods are playing the poor dead grandmother card-just like Johnny Fairplay of survivor fame. I am sure this is another lie!
Don’t forget that Johnny was also voted out nice and early this last game. Learn from his mistakes if you’ve got it in you, Netwinner.
May 13, 2008 10:26 PM
bruce said:
2000 for a cowpie
You should lower that to one entry for a cowpie. To be fair and all.
May 13, 2008 10:31 PM
Rich said:
Hey YGDNetwinner,
What do I win for the bingos? Or is it a glitch? Or do I have to wait 6 months only to find out I didn’t really win?? LOL
Actually, unlike SOME PEOPLE we pay immediately on all Bingo!s. Please upgrade to one comfy recliner to go with your cake, coffee and footstool. :)
Anonymous said:
Which reminds me. I wonder how all those schysters who were selling the “win free ecards. Email me to find out how!” and it was just a sign up link to NW. Wonder how they are doing now? LOL!
Ripping people off for information that should be given away freely? 99 cents
Finding out you now are joining the ranks of rubes with useless points due to kharma’s bad self coming down on you like a ton of bricks? Priceless!
Mistyshadow44 said:
Oh no! I just realized who “Not hard to guess who I am” is. What a sad day to see or famously, fabulous member at netwinner central banned. It’s not going to be the same. No need to go there now. lol
Well if you scroll up a few posts, you’ll see she can still go there anytime she likes. :)
May 13, 2008 10:37 PM
Rich said:
Oh I’m sorry Aaron, I didn’t know watching ads while “playing” a “game” was considered cheating. lol My question is (not specifically directed at Aaron lol), if they knew 40% are cheating, why not ban the 40% and refuse to pay them? If the government adopts that theory, they will say 40% of people committ crimes, lets put everyone in jail. Or worse, 40% of people overseas are terrorists, lets blow up the world. Personally, I think all 3 sound ridiculous.
Yes, it is that easy to see through that crap isn’t it?
What’s all this toxic waste about “naysayers”. We turned in our cult robes when we found you out Netwinner. If anyone is a naysayer, it’s Netwinner’s supporters who are naysayers of the truth. Stop drinking that darned kool-aid you guys! You’re just embarrassing yourselves when it takes effect.
Thanks JustDeb,
Good to see someone with a realistic and sensible attitude.
I guess they still don’t get it! I am so puzzled.
This from someone who claims to have been an “analyst”. Can’t analyze the simple and obvious scam that is Netwinner Bob? Um, ok. I will donate one dollar to buying you some treatment at the nearest Netwinner Detox Center in the hopes that you may soon regain your former and alleged analytical abilities. C’mon folks! It’s a worthy cause! Ok, wait. I’ll use my “valuable points” instead. They are like gold you know. You’re worth it though Bob!
May 13, 2008 10:42 PM
Aaron said:
Exactly right Rich. I myself doubt was hardly any fraud at all. Just another excuss to delay the inevitable. Frikkin security box pops up so often how can ya cheat? I guess it might be possible but I hardly think to many folks know how to go about setting something like that up.
You can’t cheat the captcha box. They were claiming that auto-programs could be used prior to that feature being instituted. But auto programs can’t read the text. Only your eyes can do that. Really Netwinner! Trying that old schtick to blame the blameless is just embarrasing for you! I’d get out a kleenex if I cared about your embarrassment at this point though.
May 13, 2008 10:43 PM
Becky said:
Mike is telling me in PMs that someone is harassing Cuffedaddy’s grandparents by phone. I want to go on record as saying I do not approve of these tactics; as I posted earlier this morning I don’t think it’s right to punish family members by calling people at home regarding NetWinner. If you are doing this type of thing, please stop it immediately.
Oh gee, if Mike said it then it must be true, huh? I’m guessing Cuffe is harrassing his own grandmother to rationalize his complaint at best.

bruce May 13, 2008 at 11:02 pm

if i am not wrong you can find tlnblue at adverbux.com

pkb143 May 13, 2008 at 11:02 pm

As far as the fraud goes, I don’t know how prevalent this was, but my account was hacked into about a year ago.

Mistyshadow44 May 13, 2008 at 11:05 pm

Becky,
I was reading the messages and someone was fishing for cuffedaddy’s last name and I think cuffedaddy posted his last name here. You might want to check out who was asking him for his last name.

Aaron May 13, 2008 at 11:06 pm

Cuff, stop handing out your grandma’s phone number then. I mean, how does anyone here have your grannies number? unless you gave it to them. Why would you do that? What a horrible brat.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 11:08 pm

No one was. He implied that someone was slandering him by calling him cuffed daddy. He then said it was slander to say that because his last name is cuffe. In other words, no one asked and he’s trying to create a situation that doesn’t exist. Surprised? I’m not.
Once again pinata, C for effort and A for transparency.
Some people never learn.

Rich May 13, 2008 at 11:08 pm

Honestly, I would encourage Cuffedaddy’s grandmother to file a police report. In most states, telephone harrassment is a misdemeanor and would be investigated. I think we are all adults here and should know better, so IF (and I do mean if since I believe about 40% of what Netwinner tells me, oops wrong decimal point, I believe about .00004% of what they tell me), and only if someone really is calling her then they should be turned into the police.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 11:10 pm

I think cuffdaddy’s name was rec’d off the video about all the NW mods. I think some of the full names of the mods are there. That’s my guess. Not nice or right at all to call. They should instead file a complaint about NW…not involve the mods.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 13, 2008 at 11:10 pm

May 13, 2008 11:08 PM
Rich said:
Honestly, I would encourage Cuffedaddy’s grandmother to file a police report.
The police don’t take kindly to police reports being filed and the wasting of their time by people with nothing better to do. That is in a nutshell what I think is really happening. It’s cuffed daddy’s MO after all.

Rich May 13, 2008 at 11:12 pm

If its slander or defamation of character, as I believe he also claimed, to make fun of someone’s last name, wouldn’t they need to send the FBI to every elementary school playground and arrest the little tykes? Now before the cuffedaddy supporters bash me, I’m not condoning making fun of last names, I’m simply saying that everytime someone says something distasteful doesn’t make it a crime. On the other hand, promising someone money by means of a legal contract without the intent to pay is a crime and I think Netwinner has proven it did not have the intent to pay everyone by calling a select few with what amounts to a bribe.

Becky May 13, 2008 at 11:13 pm

One more request, y’all: I know there are ways around being banned from NW’s forum but I think that gaining access to a computer system without permission (meaning, after your IP has been banned) could be illegal. Posting about how to do it here opens me up to potential legal liability, so I’d ask that you don’t. Hope you understand but I had to make that post go bye-bye. All for free speech but not for going to jail. I’m sorry!

Rich May 13, 2008 at 11:13 pm

Uh oh, hey YGDNetwinner, does that make me an accessory to file false police reports since I told him to file if it’s really happening? lol

Rich May 13, 2008 at 11:16 pm

No worries Becky, even though I wasn’t the one who posted that particular comment I do know that if we step out of bounds that your responsibility should first be to protecting yourself from liability. I was rather proud of being banned, actually tried to get banned, so now that I am I have no further interest in gaining access to their forums to read lies. I think you (Becky) have proven you stand for free speech, so you have every right to edit posts as you see fit.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 11:18 pm

Mistyshadow44 said:
Becky,
I was reading the messages and someone was fishing for cuffedaddy’s last name and I think cuffedaddy posted his last name here. You might want to check out who was asking him for his last name.
——-
Misty, that was me, and NO I did not use it for any purpose other than what I was talking to him about. I was misspelling his name, and he stated something about how I shouldn’t make fun of people’s last names. I asked him because alot of people just use nicknames and not their real names..he said something about suing because I was making fun of his name. That was the end of the conversation.
So to answer your question no I didn’t call his grams. Go ahead and check it out if you want, Becky. Actually I want you to.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 11:20 pm

You’reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay said:
No one was. He implied that someone was slandering him by calling him cuffed daddy. He then said it was slander to say that because his last name is cuffe. In other words, no one asked and he’s trying to create a situation that doesn’t exist. Surprised? I’m not.
Once again pinata, C for effort and A for transparency.
Some people never learn.
Thanks, YGDNANIAGW, (sorry, I couldn’t see typing that all out LOL..plz don’t sue me or anything LOL)
Yea, that’s all it was. He got pissy cause I was misspelling his name.

knothead May 13, 2008 at 11:22 pm

these are just the few major national or international companies i can remember seeing ads from on nw -
ford, land rover, pontiac, subaru, toyota, dodge and several other automobile manufacturers, lifelock, tv guide, claritin, propel fitness water, geico, boost mobile, verizon, hertz, lufthansa, l l bean, bellsouth, red roof inns, arm and hammer, nordstrom, lane bryant, care one credit, msn, cayman islands (tourism i guess), hilton hotels, united vacations, hgtv, u s appliance, dell, choice hotels, classmates.com, yahoo, pogo, circuit city, lowe’s, various cbs news stations, voxant news room (reuters, ap digital news, wall street journal, bbc) pepto bismol, chili’s, miller lite beer, macy’s, lending tree, phoenix university, tidycat, toys r us, sunoco, pantene, ebay, slendertone, home made simple, monster, identity guard, blockbuster, scott trade, tivo, xbox, vonage, the axe effect, universal orlando, lasik plus, agri-fab, royal carribean, underarmour, the ups store, harrah’s, outback steak house, state farm, spiral frog, oral b, cool savings, capital one, pampers, buy.com, wamu, alltel, centrum, papa john’s, westjet, skype, lennox, mtv, free triple credit score, att, medifast, staples, usa today, best western, nutri systems, max factor, disney world, sprint, sam’s club, wal mart, ny times, advair, hp, kodak, lingo, turbotax, sylvan learning, kroger, dish network, bowflex, converse, air canada, swiffer, orlando info, secret, fox sports, cover girl, game quest direct, shaw floors, ancestry.com, worldwinner, american apparel, sportsfly, palazzo las vegas, m and m’s, netflix, payless, visit denver, sonic drive in, slendertone, betty crocker, marion county florida, whitestrips, share,….and that is just the ones i remembered or had urls saved from for contests
sorry if there are any repeats there
how could nw not be making money with all of these and so many more paying them on time when promised?

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 11:24 pm

They are making money. They are just getting greedy and not wanting to pay people what they owe. So they say they are going into debt and …boo hoo poor us…can’t pay anyone. So everyone feels sorry for poor ole NW and now they are laughing all the way to the bank.

Could Be Anybody May 13, 2008 at 11:24 pm

YOU MIGHT BE A NETNECK…
If your pets are named Jackson, Grant and Franklin, you might be a Netneck.
If you can go straight from the office to your second job as a pole dancer in the same clothes, you might be a Netneck.
If the letters on your delete button have completely worn away, you might be a Netneck.
If you watch your own computer intervention being orchestrated on an Adstream video, you might be a Netneck.
If you put ‘former clairvoyant’ as your last job position on your resume, you might be a Netneck.
If your nerves are now frazzled by the sound of a ringing telephone, you might be a Netneck.
(Sorry folks, just trying to lighten things up. Got any good ones to add? Please, keep it clean)

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 11:24 pm

this makes no sense. his username is cuffedaddy at NW. It is easy to misspell. From my experience on NW- he is just another jerk. In fact, he acts like one on the forum. I used to call him Mr. Huffy Puffy.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 11:26 pm

LOL! Yea he is just tryin to stir stuff up. So he can get in good with the big wigs at NW. “Look, see what I did? I got em all russled up. Now they are fussing with each other instead of getting mad at who they should be mad at. Aren’t I a good lil doggie?”

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 11:26 pm

LOL about the netneck!

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 11:28 pm

And go ahead, Cuffe-crackedhead, threaten me again. Water off a ducks back baby…Heck, I had my name made fun off almost all my life, and do you see me suing or stompin my feet gettin all pissy and my panties in a wad about it? No, I grew up and got over it. You should take up knitting or something. You need to calm your nerves a bit before you wind up in a “hospital”.

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 11:28 pm

Just a thought…
Was Voxant the company that provided netwinner with their stremaing ads? I’m sure they wouldn’t like to know that Netwinner was using false pretenses to gain ad views…

Cuffedaddy May 13, 2008 at 11:29 pm

Thank you Becky

Cuffedaddy May 13, 2008 at 11:32 pm

Wow threaten you again? huh who are you? I have no need to threaten

Anonymous May 13, 2008 at 11:34 pm

Obviously. You just go crying to daddy over at NW and let him take care of your fights for you. Grow up. I will not be replying to you again, dear. I am over you, get over me please.

Cuffedaddy May 13, 2008 at 11:37 pm

I would love to get over you If I knew who you were LOL

Aaron May 13, 2008 at 11:37 pm

So Cuffjerk, What did you have to say to granny (if this indeed really happened) about why people really hate you?

Rich May 13, 2008 at 11:37 pm

Hey Cuffedaddy, please tell Mike thanks for finally banning me, I have already collected enough evidence in the form of e-mails promising me a certain amount of money within 60 days and enough of Mike’s own admissions of wrongdoings and then edits to his posts. He’s arrogant enough to think the SAG or DOJ won’t knock down the doors, but if they won’t, and that’s still to be determined, I still have a case against Netwinner for breach of contract and fraud.

Buddy May 13, 2008 at 11:39 pm

Becky:
I am as anxious as anyone to see Netwinner pay one way or another, but this thread has really degenerated. I just wish people could stick to a quick vent and maybe what steps they will take next. So much good information is being buried in all the crap. I realize all of the loyals appear to be out of their mind, but what difference does that make in the whole scheme of things. The key here is organization and good communication. The more people who complain in a civilized manner to the right people, the better off everyone will be.

bruce May 14, 2008 at 12:04 am

no worries becky i am sure that most of us prefer not to patronize their site in any way. i have been banned from there for over a month and honestly do not miss them since was not allowed to voice my thoughts. and to think all this time i thought that netwinner was a USA based site not one that promoted censorship because they do not believe in others thoughts and beliefs. i was wondering one thing tho why is it that so many of the netwinner mods are here it is not like they don’t know what we think of them. they already know we are displeased with them and not because they are mods but because they are mods still at a site that has cheated us out of money. you can say all you want it was a free site. but you answer me this netwinner. if it was a free site then why did you require the members to watch ads. was it maybe so you could get money. well then if you did not get paid for showing those ads would you say oh well no biggie or would you be down at the courthouse filing suit. hmmmmmmmmmm see put yourself in the place of every member who you have told they will not get what is owed them and poof you change your point of thoughts don’t ya.
it is easy to call every one of us that played at your site day after day and made your company a couple of million a bunch of cry babies but you think about this if it was not for us cry babies you would not have made any money. so before you allow your mods to bad mouth any of the players i would first take a look at who you are talking to. because we your ex players are not the only people that view these forums. people that are thinking about netwinner or that may have stumbled accross it by mistake will make a choice not by word of mouth but what they experience first hand. i for one know if i was to pop into your forums and see a mod talk to anyone and i don’t care what the conversation was about but if i saw a mod call all the players a bunch of losers or cry babies i would run for the door.
the company in whole has a lot to learn about business. you may have made some money in the past(and that may come back to bite you in the long run ) but trust me people will start looking to see who is associated with any new site and when they see a familiar name they will decide to go else where.
true it cost me nothing to play at netwinner and i did get a few dollars out of you before you closed the bank but trust me on this. your small action of non payment is going to hurt you the most in the pocket. sooner or later the proper agency will get enough emails and letters from VOTERS that they will look into your company and on that day you remember that you were warned. you may not pay the members now or ever but sooner or later you will pay and in the long run it will cost you a lot more than a few bucks.
i hope that members that live in NC who have joined will take copies of every tranaction that they saved from cashing out and take them to the attorney generals office and file suit against you. the small clause in the t.o.s about punitive damages can be overlooked by a judge. ( small loop hole) a judge can award a punitive damage even if the plaintif does not request it and if enough file suit and fill the court house up that court house door will turn into a revolving door.
i wish the owners of netwinner the best( you gonna need it ) in finding a good place to hide.
see most of all this could have been avoided had you the owners perhaps asked members about stuff. while you may own the site you had a large resorce of members who worked in various fields. you had doctors, lawyers, teachers, police officers, mothers, fathers, advertisers, auditors,ect…. you had everything your company needed to be a success and did you use it no. see like you were a client for the companies who you advertised for we the players were clients for you. yet you did not treat your members like clients. heck at sometime your mods did not even treat some of the players like people even.
i honestly do not see netwinner coming back from this and if that is the case i am overwhelmed with joy. when i was a active member i for one honestly wanted to see netwinner succeed. when netwinner wanted ideals i tried to make suggestion but nope. when netwinner wanted free testers for banko i was there but still even tho i offered my free time to test the game ( without points ) i was treated badly by your mods. even got my account froze by mike. and this was after sending email after email to him about the abuse but in his own words he did not have time to micromanage the site chat forums. this to me means the site does not care as long as we keep clicking.
i am sure that most of the players here feel the same i know not all the mods were nasty but there were a few that had no business being in any form of leadership.
one thing i learned a long time ago is that the pen is mightier than the sword. and you will see that with the www that it is even stronger now than it was way back when. sooner or later you will have to move your company overseas because i am sure sooner or later you will be shut down and i am sure that Canada is not going to allow you there. so enjoy overseas. enjoy you ill gotten funds and i hope that from now till the end of time you never have a restful night. i hope the treatment of all the honest players haunt your every second of sleep.

Din24 May 14, 2008 at 12:11 am

I have been quite sure for some time now that Netwinner wasn’t going to be paying. The writing was on the wall by the middle of Jan. I’m the one who said on the forum that we are now playing for Monopoly money.
I’ve filed with the BBB. I saw Netwinner had an Unsatisfactory rating on there even before this latest rip-off. They are done for because “You don’t pay. No one will play.” Plus I believe they WILL get in trouble for fraud, or get shut down at the very least if we all do our part now and file complaints.
I don’t know how many of the mods actually knew they were lying. I just felt they weren’t too bright when they were celebrating points awarded which would result in $0.00 and NO prize anyhow. It was all imaginary. You can put all your points into winning the mop now, and they will all cheer if you “win it”, but you’ll never actually get it.
In other words, we have been robbed… first of our time… then of our money.

kiarasmamaw May 14, 2008 at 12:11 am

I am one of the unlucky people who never took a screenshot of my wins. I guess I was dumb enough to think Netwinner would pay somewhere down the road. So I’m outta luck. But there is something really funny happening with one of my family members I will share with you. My youngest sister is married to A 13 year deputy sheriff in our county. For the last few hours they and a few of their friends have been watching the Netwinner Central forum. My sis called about an hour ago to see if I was. She is the one who told me how quick they were deleting post. You can figure out by her husband being a long time deputy sheriff who some of their friends might be. They are having a field day on the computer tonight….lol..lol. I am so darn happy right now!!

Aaron May 14, 2008 at 12:13 am

Please keep us banned folks informed of any good stuff happening overthere. Thanks much

kiarasmamaw May 14, 2008 at 12:14 am

By the way. It’s alright that I posted about my sis. They have what they need. I will never ever be paid but I guarentee you my sis will be.

Rich May 14, 2008 at 12:17 am

Kiarasmamaw (and anyone else concerned)
Don’t forget to check your e-mail accounts, Netwinner sent those “confirm your prize” e-mails, if you saved them then they are as good as gold in proving breach of contract. If you didn’t save them, take a screen shot of the NW President’s letter saying they would double your points, and a screen shot of your current point total – after Netwinner has lost a few lawsuits that will go along with precendence to prove your case as well. I suspect that enough lawsuits have to be filed it will turn into class-action anyway.

shellbear May 14, 2008 at 12:17 am

wow, i cant believe all the delusional players over on the forum that really think nloser is the greatest, some people even think that by staying there and wading it out that they will get their money, umm, what part of not paying and giving the points back didnt they understand.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 12:18 am

I made a copy of my prize sheet (ecount processing records) before they wiped out the record…just because I was afraid they would do it….as their next “change”. Sure enuf! I filed with NC BBB and mentioned it as well…but, won’t hold my breath on this one. Would be interesting to see if anything is done.

se62 May 14, 2008 at 12:19 am

I filed a complaint with the BBB in NC today, tomorrow it will be the FTC and AG.
For those of you that feel you have no proof that NW owes you, you really do. Just go and copy the page in your account that shows how many points you have. Take 1/2 of the points off and the amount that is left is the points you had when NW did their conversion and the amount that was owed to you if you had cashed in all your pts. except those under $100,000.

Becky May 14, 2008 at 12:20 am

Quick one-page blog with contact info for those who lost money thanks to the changes at NetWinner: http://comparerewards.blogspot.com/
Feel free to copy and paste the info on the page and email it to your referrals, your friends, or other related forums or blogs.

pkb143 May 14, 2008 at 12:20 am

hey, kiarasmamaw, sorry to meet up like this but nice to hear from you. Did you lose some prize redemptions? You should go ahead and file with the BBB and the North Carolina DA’s office!
You might want to check out my new “Netwinner lens.” The title is: Netwinner: We Played – They Flayed.
http://www.squidoo.com/pkbnetwinner

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 12:21 am

I saved my prize sheet (ecount in processing) since the last time I cashed out. I even mentioned that to the NC BBB..but, don’t feel that anything will come of it. I hope I am wrong. I saved it because I felt the records would disappear and another excuse used…sure enuf…it happened

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 12:25 am

Becky,
Thank you SO much for organizing all that great info and posting it for everyone to be able to get to. I am sure that lots of people will be using it :)

Rich May 14, 2008 at 12:26 am

Hey pkb, this is a little off topic, but do you remember me from NW forum? I was just interested to know if you still had the Ireland page up, things have been busy for my wife and I lately with moving, me starting school and a new baby lol, but I did want to see how that turned out.

Anon May 14, 2008 at 12:28 am

I honestly don’t believe anyone is calling cuffdaddy’s grandmother. Why would they waste their time and effort looking for that phone# when if they were that angry they would be calling him if they had his name unless he lives with his grandmom. Which I still don’t believe someone would go off on an elderly woman they would call back later in hopes of getting their point across to the real person. And who would really waste their time on him when they have access to some of the #’s of the bigwigs. He is just an insecure person looking for attention and it is really quite evident by his posts and replys to others post. Accusing me of threatening him last night because I said I was getting tired of his annoying posts that is just an example of someone is ready to blow anything out of proportion to draw attention to himself. Around here we call them drama queens and when there is no actual drama they start making it up because they need to draw attention to themselves. The sad thing is they start really believing their own fables and start thinking everyone is out to get them and they want everyone to feel sorry for them. Sorry your just not that important to waste the time on Cuff.

bruce May 14, 2008 at 12:28 am

everyone look in your saved folders if you kept the confirmation from neteinner this would be the best thing. you can print out a fulheader page it would look something like this.
From No Reply Sun Jan 6 14:37:19 2008
X-Apparently-To: thetruepoolgod@yahoo.com via 216.252.100.198; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 14:37:19 -0800
X-YahooFilteredBulk: 216.54.210.91
X-Originating-IP: [216.54.210.91]
Return-Path:
Authentication-Results: mta415.mail.re4.yahoo.com from=netwinner.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
Received: from 216.54.210.91 (EHLO mail01.netwinner.com) (216.54.210.91) by mta415.mail.re4.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 14:37:19 -0800
Received: from lbproxy03.netwinner ([192.168.22.82]) by mail01.netwinner.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:37:19 -0500
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=localhost.localdomain) by lbproxy03.netwinner with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JBe7L-0006od-4b for thetruepoolgod@yahoo.com; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:37:19 -0500
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:37:19 -0500
To: thetruepoolgod@yahoo.com
From: “No Reply” Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Subject: Confirm Prize Destination
Message-ID:
X-Priority: 1
X-Mailer: PHPMailer [version 1.73]
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=”b1_94c301e1577421d133728d4a9c872619″
Return-Path: no-reply@netwinner.com
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2008 22:37:19.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[B28030A0:01C850B4]
Content-Length: 1465
Dear thetruepoolgod@yahoo.com,
This email serves to confirm that you requested to have your prize
Ecount Cash ($25)
delivered to the following address:
If this information is correct, please:
1. Log into your WhoGets Game account.
2. Go to the MyAccount page
3. Open the Prizes tab and select your prize (Ecount Cash ($25))
4. Use the following code to confirm: 782cc39153
–NetWinner Team
We do not spam. WhoGets Game respects your privacy. Click http://whogets.freemoneywheel.com/privacy.html to review our Privacy Policy.
this will show that netwinner accepted your request for cashout and that it was approved as well as the date the transaction was sent from netwinner. if you are like myself then you have them stuck somewhere. when netwinner started getting further and further behind i started my very own netwinner confirmation email file and kept everyone of them seeing that netwinner stated that you must have to in order to get paid.

pkb143 May 14, 2008 at 12:29 am

Yep, I do remember you, Rich!! click on the link above for the “new” Netwinner page and it’ll show you the other page I have. To go directly to it:
http://www.squidoo.com/pkbireland
Hope we all get Netwinner refunds and you and your wife get to go spend some of it on the Emerald Isle. : )
***Congrats on the new baby!***

Rich May 14, 2008 at 12:36 am

Thanks for the congrats, the me going to college thing will eventually finance our worldly travels, but it would be nice to have the $375 Netwinner owes my wife and I to just spend on something totally unnecessary and fun lol
I would have said hi to you before now on the forum, but lately I’ve been trying to get banned over there so I have an excuse not to go on their forum, and apparently insulting Mr. Hardison is enough to get you banned =)

kiarasmamaw May 14, 2008 at 12:43 am

Thanks pkb and others for ideas. pkb I checked out your blog and like it. I will try to get my money but won’t be heartbroken if I can’t. The fact that my sis will helps. For me each person that does enough to get paid or get something done helps me feel better. I just want justice. I really don’t care in what form. I want Netwinner to pay for what they have done to everyone.

Aaron May 14, 2008 at 12:46 am

Yes I agree Kia. It’s no longer about the money. As much as I really could have used it for dental work. It’s now all about watching them sink into a pit of excrement of thier own making.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 12:48 am

has anyone rec’d confirmation from the NC BBB if you filed a complaint? I wonder how it works

Rich May 14, 2008 at 12:49 am

Count me in as agreed, I will be just as happy if Netwinner staff members rot in a prison cell somewhere for a while as I would be receiving money from them.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 12:58 am

found this post by cuffedaddy: (March 30)
Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 09:58 pm Quote Reply
The Loyal players that are still here spread the good word about us. We all love you
Good word? And they love us?
Look how we got treated! OUCH

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 1:00 am

well…I am done complaining….did the BB thing and now I will just probably read the posts here

bruce May 14, 2008 at 1:14 am

i have receved reply from the BBB and have had to reopened my case seeing as netwinner reported to the BBB that they had spoken with me and had resolved my complaint. so anyone who files a report check back everyday or two. this is what netwinner has said about my account on the numerous times they have responded to the BBB. now keep in mind i have never spoken with anyone from netwinner even tho i have sent various emails and have called their phone number numerous times and never had anyone answer and have left voice messages but no call back. also note the date on the first response from netwinner. less than a week from the date of the letter from the president&COO
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:36:03 -0400
From: “NetWinner: Official Release” Add Mobile Alert
To: thetruepoolgod@yahoo.com
Subject: Letter from the President
05/06/2008 Received Business’ Rebuttal Response Due to the increase of fraudulent activity on our database, we are unfortunately experiencing a delay in the processing of prizes. Netwinner is working to fulfill prizes in a timely manner. Thank you for your patience in this matter as we make Netwinner fun and fair for everyone.
04/15/2008 Receive Business Response Thank you for your inquiry. According to our terms of service, all other winnings are usually paid within ninety (90) days of verification. In some cases, processing delays, verifications, fraud reviews, or delays from unforeseen business events may delay payments beyond ninety (90) days.
Netwinner and Mr. Bragg were able to speak regarding this issue.
seems to me someone made a false statement to the BBB. wonder if a statement to the BBB is considered falsifying a legal document if they give false statements? does anyone know?

B Midkiff May 14, 2008 at 1:17 am

Do you know how to email your senator or congressman.
Ido.
Do I haft to say more ?
Election year . HELLO !!!!

Aaron May 14, 2008 at 1:19 am

More blatant lies from scum at NW. Follow that up for sure. All the lies they tell are gonna bite them in the arse till they fade away.

bruce May 14, 2008 at 1:24 am

have him programed into my cell phone lol
true story
when i moved from florida to texas i had a florida drivers license as well as my veterans i.d my department of agriculture id and about 3 other picture ids. i went to get a drivers license here and got a run around. i was told that i needed a passport in order to get a drivers license. i got so irritated i called the local congressman and told him what i was being told. needless to say less than 1/2 hour later i was back to get my drivers license. the people at the highway patrol station was not very happy but they processed me and sent me on my happy way. now everytime i get into a confrontation with someone about something my girlfriend will tell the other person ” better watch out he will call the congressman on you” lol now the texas dot accepts any form of government issued id as a form of proof of id

Aaron May 14, 2008 at 1:25 am

Is there a local station in Charlotte NC that does help the little guy stories? If so then perhaps that would be an excellent media source.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 1:44 am

Charlotte WSOC Channel 9 *Whistleblower 9 Gets Results* This link is to their consumer investigators, they have an online link to submit things for the to investigate, as well as phone numbers: http://www.wsoctv.com/specialreports/1927273/detail.html
Charlotte WCNC Investigators..has links to contact them about a news tip: http://www.wcnc.com/investigators/
My Fox Charlotte: Their Local Fox affiliate, this is the Contact Us form to give story tips, etc.: http://www.myfoxcharlotte.com/myfox/pages/InsideFox/ContactUs?pageId=5.11

knothead May 14, 2008 at 2:00 am

missionlady posted in nwc about not liking being lied to and mike edited her post to say this – I understand this. I never said anything that I did not believe. I know that does not help. I am sorry. mjp65
i thought he as the only one in forum on the payroll (ha ha) was there to speak for the company, he was quick enough to do it all those months that we were not getting paid telling us to have faith and patience and that we would all get our money, did he just make that stuff up on his own without consulting the company or what?
i noticed the last time someone cornered him and asked him a direct question he said he would get us answers and it took him 2 or 3 weeks to get back to us with the news that we were all abducted by the nw spaceship and probed
someone asked why a post was banned when all they did was tell about their phone conversation with cameron at nw and mike said this -
“Most of the time a person who is banned after a single post has been posting and ranting about the same thing for a long period of time. You can post just about anything here and not get it deleted or be banned, but if you are here to drive us into the ground, you will not be here that long. I will not let people post crap day and night for no reason but to harm us. If you are mad and waht to tell us why, I can take that and leave it up and thank you for you input.” and “If your purpose is to run us into the ground, yes I will delete you and ban you from the forum. I will not ban or delete truths, complaints, etc. nor will you be banned for that.”
yet he banned that bigjohn on his very first forum post ever for merely pointing out that judging by the mods points on leaderboard that they must be getting paid because they didn’t get a huge influx of points to their accounts like the rest of us did
i guess it is considered running them into the ground when you prove them to be liars

Aaron May 14, 2008 at 2:16 am

Just finished complaint to BBB. I really hope bad things happen to NW owners bum in prison tho.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 2:23 am

Bruce – I am obviously having a major brain fart. I can’t figure out how to email becky for this site lol
As for Netloser, I am totally dumbfounded at those who continue to stay and sing the praises of netloser. They committed fraud plain and simple. How can those staying in their right mind even think that IF they happened to win a prize they will get it? Burn us once, shame on them, burn us twice shame on us. I refuse to be burned twice.
bruce said:
i want to thank netwinner for treating me the way they did if not for them being so dishonest i never would of gone surfing the net for another game site to win money at. so thanks netwinner you are the best at breaking promises and forcing players to find other means of online fun. i do not want to post the name of the site here but if anyone wants to know the name please send becky a request i think i gave her the name of the site. i will not be wanting any referrals from this i just want to try and give a few of you a little of what netwinner has stolen from you and that would be the trust in online game sites. this site does not pay much only about .10 per day or if you are upgraded then .30 per day you can play as many games a day as you want but only get paid for 100 games daily. as i said send becky a request and i am sure she would love to have the referrals. the site also gives a small prize to each of the top 3 players on each of the 83 games that they have at this time. so becky i hope this bit of info is ok and for those of you that have lost time at netwinner i hope you can regain some faith at this site.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 2:26 am

Also ,If anyone didnt save their confirmation Emails,see if you can dig em up out of your recycle bin (if you have deleted Email going there) ………..I was fortunate to take a screenshot of my winnings just late last week.

bruce May 14, 2008 at 2:29 am

ok everyone here is my thoughts on this subject.
i honestly think that netwinner can be sued. after researching a company can not hide behind a contract no matter how neatly it was constructed no matter what. if the company had intended to commit fraud and i believe that with them changing the t.o.s they did have foresight. i am not sure if anyone will ever get any money but here is a thought if netwinner does not want to pay each and every member who is owed money then everyone contact their own local athority and file complaints with them. seeing that netwinner not only comitted fraud in the US but also in Canada they have committed international fraud. contact your local FBI office and inquire as to what to do.even if they do not pay with any luck we will each be able to send them lol’s to them while they spend time behind bars.their little may protect them as far as cival court goes but they did not protect themselves from criminal charges. you can not commit fraud with a contract and expect to not be charged with criminal action. so netwinner you enjoy you ill gotten funds i hope you made enough to hire a lot of lawyers because something tells me you will be needing them in the near future. as for the funds i no longer care but for what you have done to thousands of people i hope you get 5-10 years for each count of fraud that would add up to well over 500,000 years.
as for the mods seeing that they still intend to defend the site even tho they have proven that they are not going to pay i hope that each and everyone that is still loyal to the site gets the same as the owners of the site. it is one thing to defend a site when you truly believe that they will pay but another thing all together to stand behind them and still try and promote the site once the truth is out for all to see.
this being said i would like to invite each and everyone that was cheated by netwinner to pass the word to everyone you know. if you have copies of your winnings you were waiting on make a copy and send them to your local paper send them to the tv stations. lets pick a day say friday everyone send a letter to the closest fox tv station to them. load their email with complaints. let them know what this site has done let you voice be heard. remember not saying nothing and allowing the company get away with this will teach them nothing but if we can get a tv station like fox to investigate this then there is no where that netwinner will be able to go in the united states or canada that people will not have heard of them. lets see them get a business started after this.
remember if we all send a email at the same time then perhaps someone will pay attention. let your voice be heard. let people like those that own and run netwinner know enough is enough. let them know you are tired of them getting rich from you.
i think the worst part of all this is the comments made by the mods to the players. ” get a life ” how can a person that more than likely spends more time at netwinner than any of us tell us to get a life.. and the other part is instead of trying to be humble it is as if the mods want to attack the players. go figure. it was not the players that kept telling the mods don’t worry netwinner will pay they always pay they may be late but they will pay you . and mike you most of all should bury your head in the sand. you who was a member of lottalottos.com the member who others looked to for info on sites. i notice that you do not even have the loyalty to those members there. i guess netwinner must pay you good. wonder how much it cost to buy your morals. of all the people you are the one i expected to see resign once this came to light but i guess you are after all just human and will back anyone who is willing to pay you.
what a shame.
i have heard that everyone has a price and my way of looking at it is i have a price as well. my price would be all the funds owed to each and every player. but seeing that will never happen i will settle for a long prison term for everyone that is still associated with the site then i would feel like myself and every other player would have their justice.

bruce May 14, 2008 at 2:31 am

email me and i will give you the name my email is listed above

bruce May 14, 2008 at 2:35 am

bruce said:
everyone look in your saved folders if you kept the confirmation from neteinner this would be the best thing. you can print out a fulheader page it would look something like this.
From No Reply Sun Jan 6 14:37:19 2008
X-Apparently-To: thetruepoolgod@yahoo.com

bruce May 14, 2008 at 2:41 am

Anonymous said:
Bruce – I am obviously having a major brain fart. I can’t figure out how to email becky for this site lol
As for Netloser, I am totally dumbfounded at those who continue to stay and sing the praises of netloser. They committed fraud plain and simple. How can those staying in their right mind even think that IF they happened to win a prize they will get it? Burn us once, shame on them, burn us twice shame on us. I refuse to be burned twice.
only reason i can see that a person would stay and defend the site is that they have interest in the company i.e own one of the partner sites. that or they are just unable to face reality.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 3:15 am

bruce said:
only reason i can see that a person would stay and defend the site is that they have interest in the company i.e own one of the partner sites. that or they are just unable to face reality.
I wonder how the partner sites are handling the news of netloser’s fraud. I know they had to put alot of time and effort into building the site. Now their reputation is tarnished as well.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 3:42 am

“May 13, 2008 11:10 PM
Rich said:
If its slander or defamation of character, as I believe he also claimed, to make fun of someone’s last name, wouldn’t they need to send the FBI to every elementary school playground and arrest the little tykes? Now before the cuffedaddy supporters bash me, I’m not condoning making fun of last names, I’m simply saying that everytime someone says something distasteful doesn’t make it a crime. On the other hand, promising someone money by means of a legal contract without the intent to pay is a crime and I think Netwinner has proven it did not have the intent to pay everyone by calling a select few with what amounts to a bribe.”
More Bingo!s for Rich. Please collect your all-in-one remote to go with your comfy chair, footstool, cake and coffee! :)
” Becky said:
One more request, y’all: I know there are ways around being banned from NW’s forum but I think that gaining access to a computer system without permission (meaning, after your IP has been banned) could be illegal. Posting about how to do it here opens me up to potential legal liability, so I’d ask that you don’t. Hope you understand but I had to make that post go bye-bye. All for free speech but not for going to jail. I’m sorry!”
Oh alright. It’s not illegal because you’re just disconnecting from the internet and reconnecting to it to get a new ip address which you get doing that all the time anyway. However, mum’s the word.
” May 13, 2008 11:13 PM
Rich said:
Uh oh, hey YGDNetwinner, does that make me an accessory to file false police reports since I told him to file if it’s really happening? lol”
LOL No. That makes him delusional for not realizing you were joking. Some people really should loosen up don’t you think? Perhaps cuffe’s jackboots are so tight that he’s forgotten how not only to be honest but humor as well.”
I think you (Becky) have proven you stand for free speech, so you have every right to edit posts as you see fit.” I’d agree with that bigtime. :)
” May 13, 2008 11:16 PM
Anonymous said:
Mistyshadow44 said:
Becky,
I was reading the messages and someone was fishing for cuffedaddy’s last name and I think cuffedaddy posted his last name here. You might want to check out who was asking him for his last name.
——-
Misty, that was me, and NO I did not use it for any purpose other than what I was talking to him about. I was misspelling his name, and he stated something about how I shouldn’t make fun of people’s last names. I asked him because alot of people just use nicknames and not their real names..he said something about suing because I was making fun of his name. That was the end of the conversation.
So to answer your question no I didn’t call his grams. Go ahead and check it out if you want, Becky. Actually I want you to.
Ma”
I believe this type of thing was the situation cuffed daddy was trying to create by making these delusional accusations in the first place. It’s what he resorts to when he’s “got no game”. Game meaning honesty or integrity. He’s proven that here. You did nothing wrong. You simply responded to his question. Fail pinata, fail!
“Thanks, YGDNANIAGW, (sorry, I couldn’t see typing that all out LOL..plz don’t sue me or anything LOL)
Yea, that’s all it was. He got pissy cause I was misspelling his name.”
You’re most welcome. :)
I’m one of the big losers who’s read every post in both of these threads. Once in awhile I actually remember something that comes in handy, LOL.
” May 13, 2008 11:20 PM
knothead said:
these are just the few major national or international companies i can remember seeing ads from on nw -
ford, land rover, pontiac, subaru, toyota, dodge and several other automobile manufacturers, lifelock, tv guide, claritin, propel fitness water, geico, boost mobile, verizon, hertz, lufthansa, l l bean, bellsouth, red roof inns, arm and hammer, nordstrom, lane bryant, care one credit, msn, cayman islands (tourism i guess), hilton hotels, united vacations, hgtv, u s appliance, dell, choice hotels, classmates.com, yahoo, pogo, circuit city, lowe’s, various cbs news stations, voxant news room (reuters, ap digital news, wall street journal, bbc) pepto bismol, chili’s, miller lite beer, macy’s, lending tree, phoenix university, tidycat, toys r us, sunoco, pantene, ebay, slendertone, home made simple, monster, identity guard, blockbuster, scott trade, tivo, xbox, vonage, the axe effect, universal orlando, lasik plus, agri-fab, royal carribean, underarmour, the ups store, harrah’s, outback steak house, state farm, spiral frog, oral b, cool savings, capital one, pampers, buy.com, wamu, alltel, centrum, papa john’s, westjet, skype, lennox, mtv, free triple credit score, att, medifast, staples, usa today, best western, nutri systems, max factor, disney world, sprint, sam’s club, wal mart, ny times, advair, hp, kodak, lingo, turbotax, sylvan learning, kroger, dish network, bowflex, converse, air canada, swiffer, orlando info, secret, fox sports, cover girl, game quest direct, shaw floors, ancestry.com, worldwinner, american apparel, sportsfly, palazzo las vegas, m and m’s, netflix, payless, visit denver, sonic drive in, slendertone, betty crocker, marion county florida, whitestrips, share,….and that is just the ones i remembered or had urls saved from for contests
sorry if there are any repeats there
how could nw not be making money with all of these and so many more paying them on time when promised?

Thank you for the well-researched and all-around dandy list of company’s to notify abou the fraud that Netwinner’s perpetrated on them as well as us. You really do your homework! :)
” May 13, 2008 11:24 PM
Anonymous said:
this makes no sense. his username is cuffedaddy at NW. It is easy to misspell. From my experience on NW- he is just another jerk. In fact, he acts like one on the forum. I used to call him Mr. Huffy Puffy”
LOL
Personally I’ve always liked
cuffedratty
snuffpatsy
muffpaddy
spamaddy
and my new favorite: cuffed daddy.
So many to choose from, I’m like a girl in a jewelry store. I must have them all!
If pinatawhacky gets upset about such a tiny thing instead of apologizing to and having empathy for the people he helped Netwinner rip off and then degrade, I suggest he loosen the jackboots. The blood has stopped circulating to his brain.
” May 13, 2008 11:29 PM
Cuffedaddy said:
Wow threaten you again? huh who are you? I have no need to threaten

Bat your eyelashes at us and lie some more, stiffpatsy. It’s great comic relief.
Well said bruce, kiarasmamaw and Din :)
Thanks for filing your complaint Anon, along with so many others here. It’s great that everyone takes small amount of time to do these things to help everyone overall. It’s such great teamwork! :)

Becky said:
Quick one-page blog with contact info for those who lost money thanks to the changes at NetWinner: http://comparerewards.blogspot.com/
Feel free to copy and paste the info on the page and email it to your referrals, your friends, or other related forums or blogs.
May 14, 2008 12:20 AM

Great reminder Becky, thanks for staying on top of this and for your diligence in pointing us all in the right direction. You’re the best :)
” pkb143 said:
hey, kiarasmamaw, sorry to meet up like this but nice to hear from you. Did you lose some prize redemptions? You should go ahead and file with the BBB and the North Carolina DA’s office!
You might want to check out my new “Netwinner lens.” The title is: Netwinner: We Played – They Flayed.
http://www.squidoo.com/pkbnetwinner

Nice addition to squidoo pkb :) The more pages like yours are created, the more chance we have of reaching as many people as possible. As my Aussie friend would say, “Good on ya!”
“Around here we call them drama queens”
You don’t want to know what we call that type of behavior at my other forums. Oh alright if you insist. We call people who act like cuffe “attention wh*res”. Having an opinion, being honest, having a conversation…none of those things make one an attention wh*re. Making false accusations against others in the hopes of being handed a kleenex and getting a “there there” does. Being proactive is not being an attention wh*re. Being deceptive for your own gain does. So does buying the book attention wh*ring for dummies when you’ve run out of legitimate options because you never had a legitimate complaint in the first place.
Oh and well done covering the email confirmation letters from Netwinner as proof of expected and agreed upon payment again bruce. Have some cake! :)
Congrats on the new little one Rich! :)
” May 14, 2008 12:48 AM
Rich said:
Count me in as agreed, I will be just as happy if Netwinner staff members rot in a prison cell somewhere for a while as I would be receiving money from them.

I’d also take that trade any day of the week.
” May 14, 2008 1:25 AM
knothead said:
missionlady posted in nwc about not liking being lied to and mike edited her post to say this – I understand this. I never said anything that I did not believe. I know that does not help. I am sorry. mjp65″
They never used to do that. They would just respond with their own posts.
I noticed the trend you mention here though about six months ago. Are they so insecure that no one can even ask a question? Are they so full of it that they can’t even answer these questions appropriately? I’d say so. The level of imperialism over there has reached proportions rarely seen on other internet forums. They can’t convince anyone of their viewpoint if they just delete the other person’s. Deleting doesn’t make them smart or right imo, it makes them deficient in many areas that one needs in order to be fair and moderate in the first place.
“yet he banned that bigjohn on his very first forum post ever for merely pointing out that judging by the mods points on leaderboard that they must be getting paid because they didn’t get a huge influx of points to their accounts like the rest of us did”
Excellent observation that can’t be trumpeted enough!
” May 14, 2008 2:00 AM
Aaron said:
Just finished complaint to BBB. I really hope bad things happen to NW owners bum in prison tho.

Great! Have a piece of cake and some coffee here at the potluck with those who help eachother. Comfy footrests, no waiting. :)
Headers are also a dandy idea as you mention because they show the point of origin of the emails everyone received from Netwinner much more precisely than just the address. Great reminder bruce! :)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 3:44 am

That one didn’t require approval. Weird.
Oh well, I’m sure there must be a glitch with the software like last night since your site has become so popular :)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 3:46 am

“May 13, 2008 11:10 PM
Rich said:
If its slander or defamation of character, as I believe he also claimed, to make fun of someone’s last name, wouldn’t they need to send the FBI to every elementary school playground and arrest the little tykes? Now before the cuffedaddy supporters bash me, I’m not condoning making fun of last names, I’m simply saying that everytime someone says something distasteful doesn’t make it a crime. On the other hand, promising someone money by means of a legal contract without the intent to pay is a crime and I think Netwinner has proven it did not have the intent to pay everyone by calling a select few with what amounts to a bribe.”
More Bingo!s for Rich. Please collect your all-in-one remote to go with your comfy chair, footstool, cake and coffee! :)
” Becky said:
One more request, y’all: I know there are ways around being banned from NW’s forum but I think that gaining access to a computer system without permission (meaning, after your IP has been banned) could be illegal. Posting about how to do it here opens me up to potential legal liability, so I’d ask that you don’t. Hope you understand but I had to make that post go bye-bye. All for free speech but not for going to jail. I’m sorry!”
Oh alright. It’s not illegal because you’re just disconnecting from the internet and reconnecting to it to get a new ip address which you get doing that all the time anyway. However, mum’s the word.
” May 13, 2008 11:13 PM
Rich said:
Uh oh, hey YGDNetwinner, does that make me an accessory to file false police reports since I told him to file if it’s really happening? lol”
LOL No. That makes him delusional for not realizing you were joking. Some people really should loosen up don’t you think? Perhaps cuffe’s jackboots are so tight that he’s forgotten how not only to be honest but humor as well.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 3:47 am

I think you (Becky) have proven you stand for free speech, so you have every right to edit posts as you see fit.” I’d agree with that bigtime. :)
” May 13, 2008 11:16 PM
Anonymous said:
Mistyshadow44 said:
Becky,
I was reading the messages and someone was fishing for cuffedaddy’s last name and I think cuffedaddy posted his last name here. You might want to check out who was asking him for his last name.
——-
Misty, that was me, and NO I did not use it for any purpose other than what I was talking to him about. I was misspelling his name, and he stated something about how I shouldn’t make fun of people’s last names. I asked him because alot of people just use nicknames and not their real names..he said something about suing because I was making fun of his name. That was the end of the conversation.
So to answer your question no I didn’t call his grams. Go ahead and check it out if you want, Becky. Actually I want you to.
Ma”
I believe this type of thing was the situation cuffed daddy was trying to create by making these delusional accusations in the first place. It’s what he resorts to when he’s “got no game”. Game meaning honesty or integrity. He’s proven that here. You did nothing wrong. You simply responded to his question. Fail pinata, fail!

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 3:48 am

“Thanks, YGDNANIAGW, (sorry, I couldn’t see typing that all out LOL..plz don’t sue me or anything LOL)
Yea, that’s all it was. He got pissy cause I was misspelling his name.”
You’re most welcome. :)
I’m one of the big losers who’s read every post in both of these threads. Once in awhile I actually remember something that comes in handy, LOL.
” May 13, 2008 11:20 PM
knothead said:
these are just the few major national or international companies i can remember seeing ads from on nw -
ford, land rover, pontiac, subaru, toyota, dodge and several other automobile manufacturers, lifelock, tv guide, claritin, propel fitness water, geico, boost mobile, verizon, hertz, lufthansa, l l bean, bellsouth, red roof inns, arm and hammer, nordstrom, lane bryant, care one credit, msn, cayman islands (tourism i guess), hilton hotels, united vacations, hgtv, u s appliance, dell, choice hotels, classmates.com, yahoo, pogo, circuit city, lowe’s, various cbs news stations, voxant news room (reuters, ap digital news, wall street journal, bbc) pepto bismol, chili’s, miller lite beer, macy’s, lending tree, phoenix university, tidycat, toys r us, sunoco, pantene, ebay, slendertone, home made simple, monster, identity guard, blockbuster, scott trade, tivo, xbox, vonage, the axe effect, universal orlando, lasik plus, agri-fab, royal carribean, underarmour, the ups store, harrah’s, outback steak house, state farm, spiral frog, oral b, cool savings, capital one, pampers, buy.com, wamu, alltel, centrum, papa john’s, westjet, skype, lennox, mtv, free triple credit score, att, medifast, staples, usa today, best western, nutri systems, max factor, disney world, sprint, sam’s club, wal mart, ny times, advair, hp, kodak, lingo, turbotax, sylvan learning, kroger, dish network, bowflex, converse, air canada, swiffer, orlando info, secret, fox sports, cover girl, game quest direct, shaw floors, ancestry.com, worldwinner, american apparel, sportsfly, palazzo las vegas, m and m’s, netflix, payless, visit denver, sonic drive in, slendertone, betty crocker, marion county florida, whitestrips, share,….and that is just the ones i remembered or had urls saved from for contests
sorry if there are any repeats there
how could nw not be making money with all of these and so many more paying them on time when promised?

Thank you for the well-researched and all-around dandy list of company’s to notify abou the fraud that Netwinner’s perpetrated on them as well as us. You really do your homework! :)
” May 13, 2008 11:24 PM
Anonymous said:
this makes no sense. his username is cuffedaddy at NW. It is easy to misspell. From my experience on NW- he is just another jerk. In fact, he acts like one on the forum. I used to call him Mr. Huffy Puffy”
LOL
Personally I’ve always liked
cuffedratty
snuffpatsy
muffpaddy
spamaddy
and my new favorite: cuffed daddy.
So many to choose from, I’m like a girl in a jewelry store. I must have them all!
If pinatawhacky gets upset about such a tiny thing instead of apologizing to and having empathy for the people he helped Netwinner rip off and then degrade, I suggest he loosen the jackboots. The blood has stopped circulating to his brain.
” May 13, 2008 11:29 PM
Cuffedaddy said:
Wow threaten you again? huh who are you? I have no need to threaten

Bat your eyelashes at us and lie some more, stiffpatsy. It’s great comic relief.
Well said bruce, kiarasmamaw and Din :)
Thanks for filing your complaint Anon, along with so many others here. It’s great that everyone takes small amount of time to do these things to help everyone overall. It’s such great teamwork! :)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 3:49 am


Becky said:
Quick one-page blog with contact info for those who lost money thanks to the changes at NetWinner: http://comparerewards.blogspot.com/
Feel free to copy and paste the info on the page and email it to your referrals, your friends, or other related forums or blogs.
May 14, 2008 12:20 AM

Great reminder Becky, thanks for staying on top of this and for your diligence in pointing us all in the right direction. You’re the best :)
” pkb143 said:
hey, kiarasmamaw, sorry to meet up like this but nice to hear from you. Did you lose some prize redemptions? You should go ahead and file with the BBB and the North Carolina DA’s office!
You might want to check out my new “Netwinner lens.” The title is: Netwinner: We Played – They Flayed.
http://www.squidoo.com/pkbnetwinner

Nice addition to squidoo pkb :) The more pages like yours are created, the more chance we have of reaching as many people as possible. As my Aussie friend would say, “Good on ya!”
“Around here we call them drama queens”
You don’t want to know what we call that type of behavior at my other forums. Oh alright if you insist. We call people who act like cuffe “attention wh*res”. Having an opinion, being honest, having a conversation…none of those things make one an attention wh*re. Making false accusations against others in the hopes of being handed a kleenex and getting a “there there” does. Being proactive is not being an attention wh*re. Being deceptive for your own gain does. So does buying the book attention wh*ring for dummies when you’ve run out of legitimate options because you never had a legitimate complaint in the first place.
Oh and well done covering the email confirmation letters from Netwinner as proof of expected and agreed upon payment again bruce. Have some cake! :)
Congrats on the new little one Rich! :)
” May 14, 2008 12:48 AM
Rich said:
Count me in as agreed, I will be just as happy if Netwinner staff members rot in a prison cell somewhere for a while as I would be receiving money from them.

I’d also take that trade any day of the week.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 3:50 am

” May 14, 2008 1:25 AM
knothead said:
missionlady posted in nwc about not liking being lied to and mike edited her post to say this – I understand this. I never said anything that I did not believe. I know that does not help. I am sorry. mjp65″
They never used to do that. They would just respond with their own posts.
I noticed the trend you mention here though about six months ago. Are they so insecure that no one can even ask a question? Are they so full of it that they can’t even answer these questions appropriately? I’d say so. The level of imperialism over there has reached proportions rarely seen on other internet forums. They can’t convince anyone of their viewpoint if they just delete the other person’s. Deleting doesn’t make them smart or right imo, it makes them deficient in many areas that one needs in order to be fair and moderate in the first place.
“yet he banned that bigjohn on his very first forum post ever for merely pointing out that judging by the mods points on leaderboard that they must be getting paid because they didn’t get a huge influx of points to their accounts like the rest of us did”
Excellent observation that can’t be trumpeted enough!
” May 14, 2008 2:00 AM
Aaron said:
Just finished complaint to BBB. I really hope bad things happen to NW owners bum in prison tho.

Great! Have a piece of cake and some coffee here at the potluck with those who help eachother. Comfy footrests, no waiting. :)
Headers are also a dandy idea as you mention because they show the point of origin of the emails everyone received from Netwinner much more precisely than just the address. Great reminder bruce! :)

Aaron May 14, 2008 at 4:02 am

BTW, filling out the complaint form with BBB was very easy and took almost no time at all. So please don’t procrastinate. Preasure is an amazing thing in all it’s forms. Lets use some on the side of good.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 4:27 am

Yes let’s!

knothead May 14, 2008 at 6:46 am

i was looking for another song by him that i wanted to say goodbye to nw with but this one might be more appropriate, lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y_GuFjxM5Y

Anon May 14, 2008 at 6:59 am

Well good luck everyone with the BBB. I for one, will not be contacting them because its not worth it over $50. To everyone who thinks the owners will be going to jail over this: You’re very mistaken. That rarely happens.
It takes a lot to be as negative as i’ve seen on this site. If you want to take years off your life fighting for $300 and $400 go right ahead. To me its not worth it. I’m chalking it up to a life experience and moving on. Its not like I invested any money into the site.

dollphyn May 14, 2008 at 7:32 am

To anon – it’s not about the money!!!!!

Becky May 14, 2008 at 7:50 am

Day 3 — if you’re around Stage 4 in the Stages of Grief model ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stages_of_grief ), don’t despair! There are some actions you can take to protest NetWinner’s retroactive cancellation of pending awards. You are not powerless!
Here’s a recap of action items: http://comparerewards.blogspot.com/
It includes contacts to the BBB, the NC AG’s office, the media, and more.
The “death toll” from NetWinnerCentral yesterday included the following members whose accounts were deleted: Eloian, MISSM40215, richw77, asantanaf1, and justlee. At this rate, only the mods will be left. And maybe that wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. If the mods were really the “great friends” they claim to be, I don’t see how they can continue to represent the company that screwed you.
There are a lot of hostile feelings here, a lot of quite justified bitterness. I’m not telling anybody what to feel, or how to react to what you feel is not just a ripoff or scam but also a complete betrayal by a company that many people felt emotionally connected with. Playing the games at NW was a part of many people’s daily routines. I know you’re hurt.
BUT — please keep in mind that this site and the comments on it may be a source of information for pending investigations against NetWinner. Personal attacks against specific individuals will probably not help further your cause, but posting the details of your own situation may.
Take a deep breath. Breathe. And focus on positive actions that you can take to get some resolution or at least some justice.
The contact information again: http://comparerewards.blogspot.com/

Anon May 14, 2008 at 7:54 am

Clearly Dollphyn, it is. They wronged me and various people I know too. However, I’m not trying to get them shut down. They made their bed and now they must lie in it. They’ll end up closing on their own.
Do you really believe all these people would be trying to get them shut down if money wasn’t involved?

shellkate May 14, 2008 at 8:16 am

I was the one who posted at the netwinner forumn about being paid the hush money! yet I haven’t been banned yet! And yes I was told to keep quiet from Matt via telephone call and recieved 1 owed payment of 100.00 ecount minus 3.00 service fee for new card! I was the original poster at NWC about Becky reporting the connection to porn….Yet I still am not banned! I never hid the fact they were paying hush money ! I regret taking it now because everyone else got s**T on….. I am so sorry that everyone got treated so badly!

luvhockey May 14, 2008 at 8:50 am

Bruce said:
‘lets pick a day say friday everyone send a letter to the closest fox tv station to them’
I sent my into to the national fox network at ureport@foxnews.com

No One May 14, 2008 at 9:06 am

Well heck, since no one was interested in posting a video reply to Netwinner, I informed YouTube of the problems with the company. Since they are using YouTube to recruit new members, I thought they should know. Doubt it’ll happen, but I’d love it if all their videos were taken down.

ShansGram May 14, 2008 at 9:08 am

Good Morning Everyone ! I just wanted to share with you the letter I just received from the BBB (SouthernPiedmont Area) Charlotte, NC
Complaint ID#: 374520
Business Name: Netwinner LLC
Thank you for contacting the Better Business Bureau. Your complaint was received by the Bureau on May 13, 2008 and has been assigned case# 374520in our files. Please make a note of this number for future reference.
Your complaint has been applied to the following business:
Netwinner LLC
1427 South Blvd Ste 200
Charlotte, NC 28203-4261
The case has been reviewed and has now been forwarded to the business for their response. This business has until May 28, 2008 to respond to your complaint. You may contact our office after May 28, 2008 to check the status of your complaint.
We encourage you to use our ONLINE COMPLAINT system to keep up with the progress of this complaint. To view the details of your case please go to the following website address: http://www.charlotte.bbb.org/complaint/view/374520/c/jzaf47.
Sincerely,
Hilda T. Cohen
Dispute Resolution Specialist
BBB Complaint Department
hcohen@charlotte.bbb.org
I am awaiting the forms from the NC Attorney General’s Office. They were requested yesterday and will be forthcoming in the US Postal Mail.
I also wanted to let everyone know..interestingly enough I went to one of the game sites Netwinner wants everyone to play at to get a copy of my points so that I could take a screen shot and figure out what the amount was before they sent me back those double points. Have you noticed there are no streaming ads when you sign in to play the game? I thought it was just the one I was at but I logged into several other and was the same thing. Ad screen was black !! Are the advertisers quitting them too now.. Maybe they have gotten the word that Netwinner was scamming them too.
I hope that everyone who is owed funds from Netwinner files complaints to every available source out there and I want to thank Becky for so graciously posting a link to those avenues. I don’t know if we will get what is so deservingly coming to us..but if this helps to rid Netwinner from frauding anyone else then I feel like something will be accomplished. So get your records together file those complaints and Good Luck and God Bless !

Beyond Peeved May 14, 2008 at 9:15 am

I can’t help but wonder how the partner sites are taking all this. They offered this game to their visitors and members in good faith that Netwinner would fulfill their obligations. Many of these sites are nice sites with good reputations. This whole fiasco had to hurt the credibilty of some of the affiliated sites, and I have noticed the deafening silence from the site operators concerning Netwinner on the forums.

ShansGram May 14, 2008 at 9:19 am

I was going back thru my files I saved from netwinner including all of the letters and verification notices I received from them on my prize cashouts and found this.
I dont know if you all remember this or not..On January 9, 2008 Netwinner posted a page where the links to some of their money wheel sits and banko sites were. Well on that page that Netwinner created the following was stated:
(Bookmark this page as a single source for all Netwinner Games)
Update on Ecount – Robin should have gotten everything fixed today. We’ll be getting files over to them this week, and all of the remaining Sept. and October cards should be processed and out to them by late week. Then, 7-10 biz days for delivery to players. Sorry for all the hassles but we should
be back in our 60 day window next week. (12/31/07)
On the bottome of that page: Make sure you verify your email address from the MyAccount page to receive your prizes in a timely manner.
Notice they were still stating a 60 day TOS window.
If I remember correctly it was in December..someone asked in their forum where they were in the processing of the E-cards and that person was told by a mod there that they were currently in the first week of Novemeber.
Well I myself questioned them about that post (which by the way had been removed from the fullfilment thread) in April because by that time they were still telling everyone they were only in the second week of November, 2007. So my point is I think they were not really processing anything much if at all ..dating all the way back to Novemeber/December, 2007.

sue May 14, 2008 at 9:36 am

I had filed a complaint with the BBB on the 4th. This is the response BBB sent me this morning from netwinner;
05/12/2008 WEB BBB RECEIVE BUSINESS RESPONSE : Due to the increase of fraudulent activity on our database, we are unfortunately experiencing a delay in the processing of prizes. Netwinner is working to fulfill prizes in a timely manner. Thank you for your patience in this matter as we make Netwinner fun and fair for everyone.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 9:38 am

What a crock! “delay in fulfilling prizes”? I thought they said there would be NO more prize winnings paid?

No One May 14, 2008 at 9:44 am

Sue, that’s exactly the same response I received from Netwinner on May 6th. I did NOT accept the response and included in my reply the letter from S. Allen Dean about the points getting put back into our accounts and payments being cancelled out, so the BBB threw it back into Netwinner’s court.

Susan Chester May 14, 2008 at 10:03 am

I did not accept it either, and sent BBB a copy of the letter from netwinner about payments. I don’t know what they are trying to pull.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 10:07 am

non said:
Clearly Dollphyn, it is. They wronged me and various people I know too. However, I’m not trying to get them shut down. They made their bed and now they must lie in it. They’ll end up closing on their own.
Do you really believe all these people would be trying to get them shut down if money wasn’t involved?
May 14, 2008 7:54 AM
In response: I think you took my post the wrong way – I have lost money as well…I have also filed with the BBB…Of course it is about what they owe..but it is also about the deception, deceit, lies and continence of such…I am in this with the rest of you..so don’t take that the wrong way

knothead May 14, 2008 at 10:09 am

[ No One said:
Well heck, since no one was interested in posting a video reply to Netwinner, I informed YouTube of the problems with the company. Since they are using YouTube to recruit new members, I thought they should know. Doubt it'll happen, but I'd love it if all their videos were taken down. ]
i tried to post this video in response to the latest spin report on youtube but i guess they wanted a video you uploaded yourself, not one that was already existing on youtube, oh well, i thought it was a good response
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x78Fm4CMWQ

dollphyn May 14, 2008 at 10:09 am

Also that post I made about it not being about the money went to the poster above me – just to many anon’s here I guess – LOL

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 10:17 am

I just saw a good observation….. If they cant pay out the ecards owed.. Why do they still have a million dollar jackpot that “they say” you can win?

bruce May 14, 2008 at 10:36 am

05/13/2008 Received Business’ Rebuttal Response To best address the current fraud and operational challenges, all existing redemption points for debit cards that have not been fulfilled will be doubled and refunded into each Player’s account. For example, if an individual redeemed 25,000 points toward a debit card, 50,000 points will be deposited back into their account. These can now be redeemed for entries into any of our growing list of cash and prize drawings. Thank you for your patience and understanding.

rocking23nf May 14, 2008 at 10:49 am

I appear to have been banned from the NW forums, I have not used any insults, name calling, or anything, just posted my views on the game and the lies given to us.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 10:54 am

I think filling legal action is great. But we need to post on as many reward type bulletin boards and community type sites about the NW scam, to prevent other people from falling into the trap.
Who knows when they will decide to not honor the raffle winner?? (but we put double the points back into your account, so it is ok to break a legally binding promise)
They should have punished the “cheaters” not everyone. But ultimately it is their fault for having such bad rules (very few free games allow more than one person per household – many check for duplicate ips). NW should never have opened a website if they didn’t have a clue, they could have limited growth (membership) at any time if they were growing too fast (or whatever their current excuse is for the problems)

rocking23nf May 14, 2008 at 11:13 am

I remember the Assoicated Press being one of Netwinners Ad streams for the longest time, they might be a good place to start. the BBB is useless, they have no power at all.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 11:14 am

Man, they are deleting posts left and right there. I can’t believe this. I refresh the page and posts just dissapear in that short of a time. They are getting scared, I think.
If anyone has a post they want to copy, better get it done now. They have removed entire threads over there. Looks like it is turning into a “we love NW” you-know-what fest.

knothead May 14, 2008 at 11:25 am

hey rocking23nf -
you made this post at about 10 am today, was this the last thing you said there? if so i guess this is what got you banned
{“What makes you think NW is going to pay you the prizes from raffles either? they did it once, lied 100s of times, im sure they will do it again. Save your time, find another hobby.”)
i guess you were too critical of nw for the mod squad
i can still get in there for now but i have been sitting on my hands when reading stuff in there most of the time, lol

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 11:33 am

I noticed the contests are down to a crawl. It is mostly 2/3 ‘faithful players” and the mini mods playing. Pitiful. Also noticed that the mods seem very quiet. Wonder if any of them quit?
Things seem down to a crawl except for posts being deleted right and left

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 11:34 am

oops…on the comment above- I meant- two or three players

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 11:35 am

Yea I noticed that too. No new posts in the last say ten minutes at least.. lol

Rich May 14, 2008 at 11:43 am

shellkate -
I don’t blame you for taking the money from NW and agreeing to keep quiet. At least a few people have gotten something, and the crime of bribery was committed by Netwinner, not you. I’m sure they probably led you to believe eventually everyone would be paid what they were owed. It’s just one example in a long line of dirty tricks Netwinner has tried to use to find a loophole from their liabilities but I feel the day of court arguments will soon be upon us and Netwinner will be the one with a lot of explaining to do.

whysue1 May 14, 2008 at 11:49 am

Hi all,
I have been sitting back watching…..posted at netwinner when mjp said he only wanted truth……right after he closed and edited his reply to Rich on hush money……I have a camera shot of both..I was the one that broke about e-count not getting money, I am the one in Becky’s article……when I was redlined saying I was giving out false info on the card phone number, the dam broke, I called again and same info…..I emailed Becky and gave her the go ahead…….I got a call and it’s on my recorder, says he was just calling to chat, said he would call back Monday….not sure what Monday, never got a call back…..That Monday I received 25 on my ecount from Nov.14 payout along with a letter saying my phone number wasn’t correct. I replied and never got a response. I have 350 still owed and my partner 450……I have taken a bit of a different angle on this, I have e-mailed the Ellen Degeneres show…..she is on a commercial, Rosie O’Donnell….she plays Pogo and going to the companies that are advertising along with other things, will post when I hear

rocking23nf May 14, 2008 at 12:05 pm

My last post was about the 1 million prize, I said it will never be won, and the game is rigged, its not random at all, Netwinner adjusts the winning odds whenever they like. Banko is very scripted also. The big prizes will never be won.

Rich May 14, 2008 at 12:08 pm

whysue1,
I’m glad you have camera shots of Mike’s original post and his nice job of editing it to make it seem less damaging. I have screen shots too, so if we get enough people with screen shots or that at least can act as a witness it will only strengthen our case against them.

Rich May 14, 2008 at 12:13 pm

rocking23nf,
I hear you on that one. Even if it is won it will either be called a glitch or Netwinner will just change its TOS to say they will give the winner 2,000,000,000 points to enter in the raffles. Or they will claim the winner is among the 40% of cheaters that they knew of but chose to continue to let play, instead of banning, because they know the cheaters still watch ads and bring in revenue, and then they can weasel out of payment by arbitrarily calling someone a cheater.

whysue1 May 14, 2008 at 12:15 pm

I am in California Rich, not sure where you are, told my partner last night that we both got a camera shot of it, how could we both get the same shot from different states and isp’s…..sitting back and watching them dig their hole…..he said he knows we stalk him….I have never stalked, I just read and when I state something I have facts to back it up

unimportant May 14, 2008 at 12:21 pm

I just noticed a newly joined administrator on forums named NetwinnerNinja. Hum, wonder who that is. Could it be one of the long lost mods who were hired? Or perhaps Mr. Coffman himself?

whysue1 May 14, 2008 at 12:23 pm

That name has been on before, not often

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 12:24 pm

mjp has been known to make up fake names for the forum..

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 12:29 pm

very true. he also changed his avatar (Abe Lincoln) and before that it was “sneakybastard”. (skeleton sneaking around)
ha. funny now that he has changed it!

Rich May 14, 2008 at 12:34 pm

whysue1,
I am in Tennessee, so I think our screen shots together would be more evidence than anything Netwinner could come up with. Not to mention, if its a matter of credibility, my wife also witnessed the posts, and I know several other people on this post have mentioned that they saw his original response and the edit. Considering all the unfulfilled promises from Netwinner and mysteriously deleted posts, they will have a tough time proving they are credible.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 12:39 pm

I am at a loss for words today(after filing with all the agencieis ,and everything I know to do ,compiling all the evidence I have against them in each filing). This is the response NW gave to the BBB on my case: To best address the current fraud and operational challenges, all existing redemption points for debit cards that have not been fulfilled will be doubled and refunded into each Player’s account. For example, if an individual redeemed 25,000 points toward a debit card, 50,000 points will be deposited back into their account. These can now be redeemed for entries into any of our growing list of cash and prize drawings. Thank you for your patience and understanding.
This was my response(and I did C&P some of what you guys have said in your postings because it describes how I feel much better than I could put into words myself ….THANK YOU ALL!!) : Of course it is about what they owe..but it is also about the deception, deceit, lies and continence of such.Who knows when they will decide to not honor the raffle winner?? (but we put double the points back into your account, so it is ok to break a legally binding promise)? If they cant pay out the ecards owed.. Why do they still have a million dollar jackpot that “they say” you can win? This is illegeal,and NO,I will NOT except ANY AMOUNT of points they put in my account because I’m not playing on a site I have devoted so much of my time to,believing I would be paid…..but to only wait almost 7 months to have it all taken away.

knothead May 14, 2008 at 12:44 pm

i think the main reason they never tried to pursue the ’40% cheaters’ they claim to have is because they wanted the numbers to claim all those viewers for selling the advertisements, if they actually had that many cheaters and caught them and deleted their accounts their numbers would be more like 120,000 than 200,000, i wonder how much difference that would make in how much they could charge for the ads?
seems like carrying all of those bogus accounts knowingly is committing fraud on the advertisers also

Rich May 14, 2008 at 12:47 pm

knothead,
You are exactly correct! Here’s the dictionary definiton of fraud:
deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage
To me, keeping players active, if you know they are a cheater and have violated your TOS and you have no intention of paying cheaters, is deceiving advertisers into believing you have more players than actually is the case, and the unfair or dishonest advantage is the increased ad revenue from someone you don’t intend to reward.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 12:50 pm

Eyewitness News Charlotte NC Action 9 Consumer Complaint Form- http://www.wsoctv.com/action9/1922795/detail.html
go fill it out :)

Rich May 14, 2008 at 1:12 pm

I attempted to fill out the Action 9 Complaint Form but when I tried to submit it two times I was given the dreaded “cannot display page” error. The second time all of my information was deleted from the fields, so I’m hoping they got it.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 1:14 pm

They are still going on about the “calling the grandmother” routine. I think they found that one thing that probably didn’t even happen and are “spinning” it to make us over here look like a bunch of raving lunatics or a lynch mob. I think they are trying to garner sympathy for themselves now. The only ones who believe that load of bull are the same ones that are still thinking they will get paid! Geez! They deserve what they get I say.

whysue1 May 14, 2008 at 1:19 pm

same here on Action 9

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 1:22 pm

On that channel 9 thing. I think it would be real good for the LOCAL station to put this on the air. I think if NW saw themselves on TV and all this would make some of them a little embarassed to say the least.

knothead May 14, 2008 at 1:23 pm

same here on action 9
about duplicate posts, when i submit a post i have to refresh this page 2 or 3 times before it shows up so try that before you submit it a second time

whysue1 May 14, 2008 at 1:31 pm

The Ellen show that runs commercials on Netwinner has a show coming up…..Do something for somebody that only takes your time…..Asked her to give us that….her time

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 1:50 pm

What about the fraud in the actual game itself. They claim you need to “match” numbers to win. Most likely the money wheel game is scripted so that the circles light up regardless of what numbers are in them. Thats how they are guaranteed of never awarding the jackpot or any of the high prize amounts. I figured this out long ago by using self-pick and putting in just 00 every time. And I won just as often as when the numbers were quickpicked.
Their whole operation is a total scam.

whysue1 May 14, 2008 at 2:03 pm

whysue1
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 11:57 am Edit Quote Reply
mjp,
Very surprised at you, people had faith in you…..when you changed your reply post yesterday,…..yes, I have a camera shot of it…. you are not a member of an honest team, nothing is honest when you have to change it……We are not all stupid…….you said after my post about stalking you…….never have and never will, My first post was that one, I am going every avenue I can…..Had you all said, might be a bit but you will all be paid as you have said over and over and then changed….acceptable….I don’t appreciate the lies…..that is my big gripe……
I got redlined in forum for posting the truth on a phone number, I don’t post often but I have my facts before I do. I got a call but wasn’t home, message says….on my way back to North Carolina, will call back Monday……Any idea as to which Monday? Also got a letter saying they wanted to talk to me today, dated May5th, replied back, nothing……any answers to these?
thank you,
whysue1

Read Me May 14, 2008 at 2:19 pm

Netwinner does not have a direct relationship with the advertisers in the video ads they display like Ford, Hilton, and Disney. These companies submit their ads to ad networks and the ad networks get to decide which websites it distributes the ads to. The ad networks Netwinner contracts with to get their video ads include:
(1) Lightningcast (Advertising.com)
Advertising.com’s TOS: “Publisher agrees that it shall NOT, unless it has received written authorization from Advertising.com: …stack Creatives (e.g. place on top of one another so that more than 2 ads are next to each other)…, Induce persons to click on Creatives based on incentives… Upon a determination by Advertising.com, in its sole discretion, that Publisher has violated any of the foregoing conditions…Publisher agrees that Advertising.com may, in addition to other legal remedies, assess liquidated damages of up to $1,000.00 per occurrence of each such violation, and that such liquidated damages are reasonable.”
http://www.lightningcast.com/contact.php
(2) Voxant (Thenewsroom.com)
Voxant’s TOS: “Impressions of content from Voxant’s Newsroom must result from genuine user interest…You will not be paid for traffic generated by any of these methods.” Requests to click for support = no genuine user interest = click fraud.
http://www.thenewsroom.com/initiatives/contact_us

Read Me May 14, 2008 at 2:26 pm

(3) Booyah Networks (Spotxchange.com)
Spotxchange’s TOS: “Publisher will not authorize, permit, enable or engage in any of the following: (a) Publisher, its employees, contractors or agents…offering a user any inducement of any kind to generate Requests”
http://www.spotxchange.com/spx_contact.html

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 2:30 pm

“May 14, 2008 10:17 AM
bruce said:
05/13/2008 Received Business’ Rebuttal Response To best address the current fraud and operational challenges, all existing redemption points for debit cards that have not been fulfilled will be doubled and refunded into each Player’s account. For example, if an individual redeemed 25,000 points toward a debit card, 50,000 points will be deposited back into their account. These can now be redeemed for entries into any of our growing list of cash and prize drawings. Thank you for your patience and understanding.”
Yes well that was not the contract Netwinner had with us at the time of redemption. Prizes were also agreed upon and confirmed by both Netwinner and it’s members as proven by the confirmation emails we have provided.
The money owed was promised as being “on the way” while we were handed a variety of excuses. Those excuses continued up until the moment Netwinner exposed that it never had any intention of paying.
Nice try though Netwinner.

Aaron May 14, 2008 at 2:35 pm

It’s very rigged.
I wonder, when they end up in White Collar prison, do the Corporate criminals then train each other on the inside on ripping people off? Like the regular type criminals do? Sadly all our winnings are now going to go to his lawyers to fight us. I don’t know all that much about US law, but can’t someone, especially the advertizing partners file an injunction and freeze NW assests?

isitrigged May 14, 2008 at 2:44 pm

So has anyone contacted their sponsors?
Their ads come from http://adstreams.com <~~~ Contact them and keep complaining until they drop their sponsorship from NetWinner.
How didn’t you guys not see it coming. I did! After decompiling their games and seeing that their site was rigged, I knew the drawing prizes were soon to follow. I kept following up on NetWinner everynow and then and when I saw that they got rid of the “community” section of their site and made the forums on and external site with out any links on the original NetWinner’s site they were setting up for something really scammy. The reason why they put the forum on a whole nother site before ripping off all their current users is, so when you guys complain on the forums… The newly interested users can’t see what they have just done to their existing members and will not turn them off from signing up..

Aaron May 14, 2008 at 2:44 pm

BTW…Anyone still have acess over at NWC know what thier latest spin is today? The mods still humping each others legs and calling it love?

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 2:45 pm

Perhaps..you are not the one lying…this time. Perhaps it is the “mod” that is saying this is happening that is not being quite truthful.
…to MJP regarding this ‘grandmother’ mess.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 2:47 pm

” May 14, 2008 10:50 AM
Anonymous said:
I think filling legal action is great. But we need to post on as many reward type bulletin boards and community type sites about the NW scam, to prevent other people from falling into the trap.
Who knows when they will decide to not honor the raffle winner?? (but we put double the points back into your account, so it is ok to break a legally binding promise)
They should have punished the “cheaters” not everyone. But ultimately it is their fault for having such bad rules (very few free games allow more than one person per household – many check for duplicate ips). NW should never have opened a website if they didn’t have a clue, they could have limited growth (membership) at any time if they were growing too fast (or whatever their current excuse is for the problems)

The number of what Netwinner cites as cheaters is inflated at best. That’s easily proven because the methods they cite as being used to cheat were built out of the game a long time ago. Some of us know this and will tell you this excuse is just another excuse.
I think the whole concept of the folks at Netwiner “not having a clue” is what they want you to think also. If they appear that way, they can feign ignorance much more convincingly from the beginning of this scam. Think about it.
Who are you going to believe makes more mistakes (which is what they want you to believe)?:
A. A company that is caught in constant lies while talways making more “mistakes” which are always in their favor?
B. Or a company that is well-run and claims a high percentage of improbable Murphy’s Law actions that always end up in their favor?
I think most people would be willing to believe the former much more readily. In actuality, I think Netwinner knew what it was doing from the getgo and this non-payment to members was a piece of the initial plan pie. The flavor of the pie is mud or “False ad income generation by members who really will believe we are as inept as we say we are if we always tell them that while we sit back and line our pockets and they do the work to generate the income for us.”
The sporadic payments were to keep everyone clicking. That’s already been acknowledged. Fits in quite neatly with their constant carrot and stick approach while feigning bad luck and “we’re not perfect”.
So full of sh*t the entire time.
Yes, I see you Netwinner. I see you. A whole new ballgame for you when it comes to “spread the word” now though. I’ll do what I can to help that along. You’ve earned it Netwinner.

Jack May 14, 2008 at 2:52 pm

Regarding NetWinner’s ad provider , adstreams.com , going this route would probably be futile . As many know , this is the company that started NetWinner . The COO of NetWinner , Allen Dean , is also the COO of Adstreams .It looks like you would have to bypass the content provider , and go directly to the actual company . NetWinner has been involved in click fraud . They have offered points for clicking on ads since 2006 .

Becky May 14, 2008 at 2:53 pm

isitrigged: Adstreams is just another name for NetWinner. Different LLC but it’s the same people, same location, etc. Adstreams is their proprietary software that runs the in-game ads. Adstreams plays the ads that they get elsewhere. If you haven’t read my posts about the NW/porn connection, I mentioned Adstreams in there, too.
Note to all: As I delete duplicate posts and approve some that were held for moderation, you may see the comment count on this post changing. Just FYI, so you’ll know it’s not the comment Nazis. ;)

Aaron May 14, 2008 at 2:56 pm

“The sporadic payments were to keep everyone clicking. That’s already been acknowledged. Fits in quite neatly with their constant carrot and stick approach while feigning bad luck and “we’re not perfect”.”
I can’t agree more with this statement. When looked at in it’s entirety it makes far more sense than lies they been spinning for months. Example: E-count is currently having problems processing cards. Reallity: E-count has already said they were merly waiting for NW to deposit the funds and most cards would have been sent out 24-48 hours after. Further proofed by folks who got paid as some wierd hush money . They all recieved thier reloads in no time at all.

Beyond pissed off May 14, 2008 at 2:56 pm

‘Mega Thursday’ tomorrow…PA-LEEZE! Talk about transparent ploys. This reeks of desperation and just goes to show how pathetic and daft they are. Fool us once yada yada… I sincerely hope no one gives in to this evil temptation…we have to stand firm and let them know that we’re DONE with their ‘games’, pun intended. Now I have to decide what to do with these useless points they’ve dumped into my account.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 2:56 pm

” May 14, 2008 10:54 AM
rocking23nf said:
I remember the Assoicated Press being one of Netwinners Ad streams for the longest time, they might be a good place to start. the BBB is useless, they have no power at all.”
Actually they do. You can see by reviewing the record of complaints against Netwinner on the BBB site that some people have received payment (over life of the complaints) and the claims were resolved.
Filing with the BBB is also a solid foundation from which other actions will have a track record to springboard from. By that I mean, if we put in our complaints at all the agencies we can, we can refer back to those initial complaints and use them as evidence in future actions as well. These things just take time and tenacity. We’ve got those. :)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 3:02 pm

” May 14, 2008 11:33 AM
Anonymous said:
oops…on the comment above- I meant- two or three players

Greed manifests in many forms. I think they must be blinded by having figured out that they’re odds of winning the contests just improved dramatically since very few are playing. Only thing is, the odds of winning useless points improving is pretty meaningless. They’ll get what they deserve in the end. Nothing to show for their clueless greed, as it should be.

thecommittee May 14, 2008 at 3:03 pm

Lots of people have read your expose, “isitrigged” and many probably agreed with you but if people had a good amount of points accumulated, of course they’ll keep clicking in hopes of getting paid. The “seduction” goes deeper than a few simple calculations. When money’s involved, emotions are involved. Quite a few members “saw it coming” for a long time but were told repeatedly not to worry, they would be paid. Those weren’t just whimsical notions, they were real assurances. This is why there are laws to protect consumers against fraudulent and deceptive practices, because consumers don’t have crystal balls and they’re not mindreaders. Commerce is based on trust. That isn’t to say members completely trusted what was said, only that they were in a position to be emotionally manipulated.
We thank you for you in-depth review on your blog but please, do not insult these people by saying, “How didn’t you guys not see it coming?”

human being May 14, 2008 at 3:03 pm

i dont think people should be calling mods home numbers though,
i also saw this on the forum
GramsB wrote:
OMG This is absolutely horrible. Please let anyone know that if they get any harrassing calls to make a log and record the date, time and length of the call. The phone company can and will track it for them. It is against the law to make prank or harrassing phone calls and the police to prosecute for it, well at least here they do.
There is no reason why anyone whatsoever should have to put up with something like that. This whole thing is getting so ridiculous.
WELL it is also againt the law to steal money

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 3:05 pm

Hmm..I wonder if that’s why they went through and deleted all the posts where they said that?

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 3:06 pm

” May 14, 2008 12:05 PM
Rich said:
whysue1,
I’m glad you have camera shots of Mike’s original post and his nice job of editing it to make it seem less damaging. I have screen shots too, so if we get enough people with screen shots or that at least can act as a witness it will only strengthen our case against them.

Excellent! If people with screenshot would upload those to photobucket or flickr and then link them here, we could all see and access them to help the group. Please consider doing this for the reasons I mention. Thank you.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 3:08 pm

” Rich said:
rocking23nf,
I hear you on that one. Even if it is won it will either be called a glitch or Netwinner will just change its TOS to say they will give the winner 2,000,000,000 points to enter in the raffles. Or they will claim the winner is among the 40% of cheaters that they knew of but chose to continue to let play, instead of banning, because they know the cheaters still watch ads and bring in revenue, and then they can weasel out of payment by arbitrarily calling someone a cheater.

Or it will be someone they pay off to pretend to be a winner. We all know that a real player will never win.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 3:08 pm

human being said:
i dont think people should be calling mods home numbers though,
i also saw this on the forum
GramsB wrote:
OMG This is absolutely horrible. Please let anyone know that if they get any harrassing calls to make a log and record the date, time and length of the call. The phone company can and will track it for them. It is against the law to make prank or harrassing phone calls and the police to prosecute for it, well at least here they do.
There is no reason why anyone whatsoever should have to put up with something like that. This whole thing is getting so ridiculous.
Then why don’t we just let the police handle it? There is really no way in the world to know whether this actually happened or not. So let’s just stop throwing accuastions around and let the police handle it.

Aaron May 14, 2008 at 3:09 pm

I still don’t believe that was real. I think Cuffloser made the story up. Why is he giving his granny # to people? Even if it is possible true, he should be demanding NW owner make things right because it’s affecting his family, or better yet, JUST QUIT that shady company Cuff. You might even get some praises for it.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 3:10 pm

” May 14, 2008 12:13 PM
whysue1 said:
I am in California Rich, not sure where you are, told my partner last night that we both got a camera shot of it, how could we both get the same shot from different states and isp’s…..sitting back and watching them dig their hole…..he said he knows we stalk him….I have never stalked, I just read and when I state something I have facts to back it up

LOL
So now reading forum posts is “stalking”? My goodness, then I’m stalking all of you and you’re all stalking me. How dare we!
Is that the best you can do Mike? hahaha Weak.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 3:11 pm

lolol!

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 3:14 pm

” May 14, 2008 12:15 PM
unimportant said:
I just noticed a newly joined administrator on forums named NetwinnerNinja. Hum, wonder who that is. Could it be one of the long lost mods who were hired? Or perhaps Mr. Coffman himself?

No, I doubt that it’s a long lost mod and it’s more likely another hostile staff member.
Think about it…
Who uses a name like that and wants to be helpful or is on the player base’s side in anything? That name to me conveys someone who’s all about confrontation and ego.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 3:15 pm

Well they haven’t posted anything that I can see anyway…hmm…

acsfl May 14, 2008 at 3:17 pm

For us banned gripers, anything else worth noting going on in NWC today?

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 3:17 pm

” May 14, 2008 12:34 PM
Anonymous said:
I am at a loss for words today(after filing with all the agencieis ,and everything I know to do ,compiling all the evidence I have against them in each filing). This is the response NW gave to the BBB on my case: To best address the current fraud and operational challenges, all existing redemption points for debit cards that have not been fulfilled will be doubled and refunded into each Player’s account. For example, if an individual redeemed 25,000 points toward a debit card, 50,000 points will be deposited back into their account. These can now be redeemed for entries into any of our growing list of cash and prize drawings. Thank you for your patience and understanding.
This was my response(and I did C&P some of what you guys have said in your postings because it describes how I feel much better than I could put into words myself ….THANK YOU ALL!!) : Of course it is about what they owe..but it is also about the deception, deceit, lies and continence of such.Who knows when they will decide to not honor the raffle winner?? (but we put double the points back into your account, so it is ok to break a legally binding promise)? If they cant pay out the ecards owed.. Why do they still have a million dollar jackpot that “they say” you can win? This is illegeal,and NO,I will NOT except ANY AMOUNT of points they put in my account because I’m not playing on a site I have devoted so much of my time to,believing I would be paid…..but to only wait almost 7 months to have it all taken away.”
You did a good job there. Keep it up! :)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 3:19 pm

” May 14, 2008 12:39 PM
knothead said:
i think the main reason they never tried to pursue the ’40% cheaters’ they claim to have is because they wanted the numbers to claim all those viewers for selling the advertisements, if they actually had that many cheaters and caught them and deleted their accounts their numbers would be more like 120,000 than 200,000, i wonder how much difference that would make in how much they could charge for the ads?
seems like carrying all of those bogus accounts knowingly is committing fraud on the advertisers also

Excellent points made there! :)
I brought these arguments up in my claim to the BBB as well.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 3:21 pm

” May 14, 2008 12:47 PM
Anonymous said:
Eyewitness News Charlotte NC Action 9 Consumer Complaint Form- http://www.wsoctv.com/action9/1922795/detail.html
go fill it out :)

Thanks! I’ll do that right now. :)

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 3:22 pm

Ok now they are trying to say that it was one of us here that “called the grandma”

thecommittee May 14, 2008 at 3:22 pm

Isitrigged said:
“The reason why they put the forum on a whole nother site before ripping off all their current users is, so when you guys complain on the forums… The newly interested users can’t see what they have just done to their existing members and will not turn them off from signing up..”
Exactly why ripped-off members should be flouncing around the internet and posting on different forums, home-pages, web-sites and the like. If you want to help stop a scam from being propagated, that’s exactly what needs to be done.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 3:24 pm

HA! They just locked the topic about accusing us of calling da granmamma. Guess it’s gettin too hot over there.

Aaron May 14, 2008 at 3:24 pm

If the BBB gets enough complaints or feels that NW is now involved in criminal action…wouldn’t they then ask NC Attourny General to open an investigation?

Me May 14, 2008 at 3:26 pm

Check out the idots TOS on refer a friend now.. What a flippen joke. they are..
REFER A FRIEND PROGRAM
*
5.1
The NetWinner “Refer a Friend” program is offered to all User’s of the Service.
*
5.2
You may refer as many friends as you choose (the “Referral” or “Referrals”) and you will be credited with an amount equal to ten (10%) percent of the winnings of any Referral (the “Referral Bonus”). The Company reserves the right to change the Referral Bonus amount, in Our sole discretion, at any time and without notice. Should the Referral Bonus be changed, the new Referral Bonus will be posted in this Terms of Service and Your continued Referrals, play or participation in the Service will constitute acceptance.
*
5.3
In order to qualify for the Referral Bonus, Your Referrals must make a minimum of 100 Entries each into the NetWinner Sweepstakes. The number of Entries required to qualify for the Referral Bonus may be changed, in Our sole discretion, at any time and without notice. Should the number of Entries required to qualify for the Referral Bonus be changed, the new number of Entries required to qualify for the Referral Bonus will be posted in this Terms of Service and Your continued Referrals, play or participation in the Service will constitute acceptanc

me May 14, 2008 at 3:32 pm

just something someone said
There are rules governing the internet and there have been court decisions relating to matters such as thes
This case reinforces the fact that traditional contract principles apply even to Internet contracts. To form an enforceable Internet contract, a website user must be required to take some affirmative action indicating his assent to the terms of the contract. Whenever the terms of the contract change, the website user should be notified of the change and be required to take an additional affirmative action indicating his assent to the revised terms. Otherwise, the party seeking to enforce the Internet contract may have difficulty demonstrating which version of the contract, if any, governs the rights and obligations of the parties.
See Ninth Circuit Strikes Down Contract Amendment Without Notice–Douglas v. Talk America and New provisions in online terms of service of no effect without notice to customer for additional commentarye

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 3:35 pm

” May 14, 2008 12:50 PM
Rich said:
I attempted to fill out the Action 9 Complaint Form but when I tried to submit it two times I was given the dreaded “cannot display page” error. The second time all of my information was deleted from the fields, so I’m hoping they got it.

” May 14, 2008 1:14 PM
whysue1 said:
same here on Action 9″
It worked for me just now (displaying this message), so you may want to try it again:
Thank You
Your message has been sent.
” May 14, 2008 1:12 PM
Anonymous said:
They are still going on about the “calling the grandmother” routine. I think they found that one thing that probably didn’t even happen and are “spinning” it to make us over here look like a bunch of raving lunatics or a lynch mob. I think they are trying to garner sympathy for themselves now. The only ones who believe that load of bull are the same ones that are still thinking they will get paid! Geez! They deserve what they get I say.

When con artists lose their legs to stand on, they grasp on to whatever they can. The whole thing’s a trasparent ruse.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 3:36 pm

” May 14, 2008 12:50 PM
Rich said:
I attempted to fill out the Action 9 Complaint Form but when I tried to submit it two times I was given the dreaded “cannot display page” error. The second time all of my information was deleted from the fields, so I’m hoping they got it.

” May 14, 2008 1:14 PM
whysue1 said:
same here on Action 9″
It worked for me just now (displaying this message), so you may want to try it again:
Thank You
Your message has been sent.
” May 14, 2008 1:12 PM
Anonymous said:
They are still going on about the “calling the grandmother” routine. I think they found that one thing that probably didn’t even happen and are “spinning” it to make us over here look like a bunch of raving lunatics or a lynch mob. I think they are trying to garner sympathy for themselves now. The only ones who believe that load of bull are the same ones that are still thinking they will get paid! Geez! They deserve what they get I say.

When con artists lose their legs to stand on, they grasp on to whatever they can. The whole thing’s a transparent ruse.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 3:38 pm

Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 12:41 pm Quote Reply
I just came on about an hour ago to find that my ecards were gone and have been directed here. I will now put my two cents in as I have not done in all of the time I have waited for my fulfillment.
I am extremely displeased with the decisions to rip away rewards (i.e. ecards) that were already earned. As for here are double the points to cash in for a CHANCE to win what we already owe you, what you already won!!!! Oh, by the way…we promise if you win a raffle we’ll pay…really!!! Just like the promise that if we play, earn points, cash out, confirm the win/cashout we’ll pay. I can no longer support this anymore than I would continue to go to work if my boss/company said “I know it is past payday but we decided we wouldn’t pay you, we will give you raffle tickets for the money you EARNED so you can have a chance to WIN….then maybe, someday we’ll actually pay you!!!! They would never see me again!!!!! I simply wouldn’t return to work. As I realize this is not a job, it is a gaming site I have kept the faith, not complained, continued to play (although not as much) and believed the moderators & admins when they said, “Be patient, everyone will get paid!” Now I feel like a HUGE IDIOT!!!! Oh well, I guess I will fall back on the old saying…Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I think I will leave the shame and blame on them!!!
It would seem that the skeptics are correct, it is all a scam!!! I am just plain heartsick over it because I like many others really NEEDED the money!!!! Even more so because I got a friends hopes up and got her to play…she also really needs the money. How sickening! Dissappointed doesn’t even start to cover how I feel at the moment!
To all the good people on this site…and I mean the players that just got screwed along with me, I wish you all the best.
Good-Bye!

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 3:40 pm

i have nothing bad to say about the recent losses with netwinner. the money that i did received i consider a blessing from God. my daughter and i were counting pennies in order for her to get gas to get to school to finish her semester in college. we were out of pennies and the only money at hand was the ecard that i had gotten from netwinner. it was enough for her to finish. she got all A,s. thank you netwinner. God Bless

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 3:40 pm

” May 14, 2008 2:03 PM
Read Me said:
Netwinner does not have a direct relationship with the advertisers in the video ads they display like Ford, Hilton, and Disney. These companies submit their ads to ad networks and the ad networks get to decide which websites it distributes the ads to. The ad networks Netwinner contracts with to get their video ads include:
(1) Lightningcast (Advertising.com)
Advertising.com’s TOS: “Publisher agrees that it shall NOT, unless it has received written authorization from Advertising.com: …stack Creatives (e.g. place on top of one another so that more than 2 ads are next to each other)…, Induce persons to click on Creatives based on incentives… Upon a determination by Advertising.com, in its sole discretion, that Publisher has violated any of the foregoing conditions…Publisher agrees that Advertising.com may, in addition to other legal remedies, assess liquidated damages of up to $1,000.00 per occurrence of each such violation, and that such liquidated damages are reasonable.”
http://www.lightningcast.com/contact.php
(2) Voxant (Thenewsroom.com)
Voxant’s TOS: “Impressions of content from Voxant’s Newsroom must result from genuine user interest…You will not be paid for traffic generated by any of these methods.” Requests to click for support = no genuine user interest = click fraud.
http://www.thenewsroom.com/initiatives/contact_us
May 14, 2008 2:19 PM
Read Me said:
(3) Booyah Networks (Spotxchange.com)
Spotxchange’s TOS: “Publisher will not authorize, permit, enable or engage in any of the following: (a) Publisher, its employees, contractors or agents…offering a user any inducement of any kind to generate Requests”
http://www.spotxchange.com/spx_contact.html
Oh yummy! Thanks for list. I’ll start emailing them as well. :)
Clearly stating how false click-through revenue was generated by Netwinner and used to defraud both the ad suppliers and the advertisers themselves will go a long way here.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 3:46 pm

” May 14, 2008 2:30 PM
Aaron said:
It’s very rigged.
I wonder, when they end up in White Collar prison, do the Corporate criminals then train each other on the inside on ripping people off? Like the regular type criminals do? Sadly all our winnings are now going to go to his lawyers to fight us. I don’t know all that much about US law, but can’t someone, especially the advertizing partners file an injunction and freeze NW assests?

Would these be the same “lawyers” who told Netwinner to not pay us and then didn’t realize that we had proof of payment expected and agreed upon in the form of screenshots and confirmation emails? If so, I’m not impressed.
Yes, they can. But they need to be nofified that this has been and is still taking place. Then they need to evaluate the situation and the claims, meet with their own legal counsel on it and proceed from there. All of these things can take months, I’m sorry to say. But, many of us have taken the first step of notifying the ad providers and advertisers to get the ball rolling. :)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 3:49 pm

“Their ads come from http://adstreams.com <~~~ Contact them and keep complaining until they drop their sponsorship from NetWinner.”
Arion owns that one. I did a Netsol whois search on that one a loooong time ago out of curiosity. The record is now private.
Bottom line, that one won’t get you anywhere. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Good news is, there are other useful links to ad providers not owned by Netwinner staff listed in this thread. :)

dollphyn May 14, 2008 at 3:54 pm

anonymous said:
i have nothing bad to say about the recent losses with netwinner. the money that i did received i consider a blessing from God. my daughter and i were counting pennies in order for her to get gas to get to school to finish her semester in college. we were out of pennies and the only money at hand was the ecard that i had gotten from netwinner. it was enough for her to finish. she got all A,s. thank you netwinner. God Bless
HEY^^^^YOU^^^ANON UP THERE^^^how many times you gonna copy and paste this…I just read this over at netwinner..HOW MANY OF THE THREE EMPLYEES (LOL) and the mods are going to keep signing on as other members in order to make post such as this..HOW MANY MORE times are you guys going to come up with some type of great stories about NW so as to bump your threads..Let’s see if we can count them – good grief

me May 14, 2008 at 3:56 pm

How much were you supposed to get??
ive ADDED All the cash people were waiting for (THATS HAVE RESPONDED SO FAR, and there is only 6 PAGES
so im sure they owe WAY WAY MORE THAN THIS BUT HERE IS TOTAL of JUST penidng /processing or approved money that was owed, NOT COUNTING all the people who were WAITING on cashing out thill they were CAUGHT UP!!
total
$ 18,775

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 4:02 pm

^^^^YOU^^^ANON UP THERE^^^how many times you gonna copy and paste this…I just read this over at netwinner..HOW MANY OF THE THREE EMPLYEES (LOL) and the mods are going to keep signing on as other members in order to make post such as this..HOW MANY MORE times are you guys going to come up with some type of great stories about NW so as to bump your threads..Let’s see if we can count them – good grief…
sorry…you are mistaken. I forgot to insert that I got this from a NW post. I have no idea why it posted many times,.,,however…I do keep getting the “error msg”. Perhaps that is the reason. FYI…I used to be a “Netwinner Addict” probably just like you until they removed all processing ecount cards and put them back into useless points for crapola.

Don't Show All Your Cards May 14, 2008 at 4:06 pm

Here is a thought…anyone here ever read the “Art of War”? One of the most important principles is to not telegraph your next move to the enemy.
For the life of me, I can not understand why outraged members keep posting at NWC about the errors in the existing TOS. Every time you c/p you are giving them an opportunity to FIX it.
There is a reason lawyers tell their clients not to discuss pending cases. Use this forum to exchange information and garner support but STOP telling the Netwinner Corporation EVERY move you are taking before you do it.
It’s okay to keep somethings private and let it be a suprise. After all, isn’t that what they did to you?

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 4:06 pm

” May 14, 2008 3:21 PM
Anonymous said:
Ok now they are trying to say that it was one of us here that “called the grandma”

What do you mean NOW? SnuffedPaddy has been making that accusation here for days. Again, they are trying to create controversy to undermine our real efforts here. That’s all it is. It’s also why they take no real action such as calling the police, etc.
Star 69 is also a helpful feature that one doesn’t need a caller id box to use. Just hit it and it calls back to who called you. Are we not supposed to realize that? Another phone feature that one could use [i]if this were true…[/i] is the star 67 function that is also free. That one forwards the call as harassing to the phone company and after three calls from the same number reported, the phone company will send the perpetrator a letter demanding the harrassment stop and let’s the perpetrator know that the calls have been logged and reported. The very first call is also logged and reported.
In other words, they think we don’t realize these things as well as the police are available to anyone being harrassed via phone. Think again.
If CuffeSplatty had a real claim, he’d pursue it via the many avenues available and then trumpet his triumph over the perpetrator in the forum. But that’s not happening? No, it’s not. It’s just grasping at straws in an attempt to damage this site’s reputation and efforts. A weak attempt at best by those who have no knowledge of how taking action and gaining proof of their allegations really work.
Please go on to your next weak ploy Netwinner. This one’s embarrassing you yet again.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 4:14 pm

” May 14, 2008 3:38 PM
Anonymous said:
i have nothing bad to say about the recent losses with netwinner. the money that i did received i consider a blessing from God. my daughter and i were counting pennies in order for her to get gas to get to school to finish her semester in college. we were out of pennies and the only money at hand was the ecard that i had gotten from netwinner. it was enough for her to finish. she got all A,s. thank you netwinner. God Bless

Good for you. But don’t you care about all the people who’s children and their own goals won’t be met because they were counting on that money to help them do so.
Your God blessed you with short-sightedness at best to think that’d hold any sway here.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 4:18 pm

Good for you. But don’t you care about all the people who’s children and their own goals won’t be met because they were counting on that money to help them do so.
Your God blessed you with short-sightedness at best to think that’d hold any sway here
….might be better to post your response in the NW forum.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 4:24 pm

“Here is a thought…anyone here ever read the “Art of War”?”
Yes. It’s one of my favorite, old reference manuals. Can you tell? LOL
I do not show everything and have much to reveal as time goes on. But it’s best to stick with the task at hand and be the respondee in certain instances instead of the accuser.
In other words, I’m waiting for Netwinner to bring up certain issues so they can be easily dismissed. If I bring them up first, it gives them time to think of a rebuttal instead of saying what’s on their mind, being as reactionary as they are. Much harder for them to backtrack that way and it’s one of their greatest downfalls, which works well for our purposes here.
We have combined knowledge and action and they have lies and greed. I think we’re more than capable of dealing with them, yes I do. :)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 4:28 pm

” May 14, 2008 4:14 PM
Anonymous said:
Good for you. But don’t you care about all the people who’s children and their own goals won’t be met because they were counting on that money to help them do so.
Your God blessed you with short-sightedness at best to think that’d hold any sway here”
Feel free to repost it there if you like. :)

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 4:37 pm

Feel free to repost it there if you like. :)
can’t ! I have yet to say anything to NW…yet. I no longer play. PERIOD. After putting in my complaint to the NC BBB….I want to wait a bit before saying goodbye. I am so disappointed in the things they did..but, the biggest one was the last straw.

Vickie May 14, 2008 at 4:38 pm

This is what Mike just wrote about why was some people paid out last week and not everyone
I read the thread. I do not have the answer. A large part of it is easy, we did not have the money to pay all. Why were some paid, I do not know that answer.
What a bunch of bull!

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 4:42 pm

Here is another comment from NW- General Questions and Comments and then Mike’s response. Man !
…I may be wrong, but I think the jackpot would be paid off over a number of years. Even back a year ago it stated something like $50,000 a year or something. I’m just saying that maybe they wouldn’t have to have the whole million on hand if someone won the jackpot. Whether or not it would actually be paid is another discussion.
….lol, it would be reversed to points at 50,000,000 per year until paid off. lol I agree, if they can’t pay everyone what they have coming, good luck to the one that wins the jackpot, lol,lol, lol
(Abe Lincoln’s response)
…Considering the week we had, this is a great question. I have asked for an answer. I will let you know what i hear back.
!!!!!!

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 4:42 pm

Here is another comment from NW- General Questions and Comments and then Mike’s response. Man !
…I may be wrong, but I think the jackpot would be paid off over a number of years. Even back a year ago it stated something like $50,000 a year or something. I’m just saying that maybe they wouldn’t have to have the whole million on hand if someone won the jackpot. Whether or not it would actually be paid is another discussion.
….lol, it would be reversed to points at 50,000,000 per year until paid off. lol I agree, if they can’t pay everyone what they have coming, good luck to the one that wins the jackpot, lol,lol, lol
(Abe Lincoln’s response)
…Considering the week we had, this is a great question. I have asked for an answer. I will let you know what i hear back.
!!!!!!

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 4:43 pm

Tell Mike it’s time to start using money from the alleged jackpot to pay people.
Yes I know that if it’s a real jackpot (Which I seriously doubt), it’s held in escrow and bonded but it’ll be fun to watch him squirm over that one.
Oh…and ask him to provide proof of a jackpot in escrow and bonded while you’re at it. That oughta be good for some laughs as he gets all flustered.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 4:44 pm

That previous comment was me. Sometimes I forget to click on the name field to fill it in before hitting submit, LOL.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 4:47 pm

Yet another response from “Abe Lincoln” …..see what he says about this poster’s question:
Question: If you did not have the money to pay all – how are you offering prizes through these so called raffle drawings?
Abe’s Answer:
We have a new structure. We are now solvent.
(yeah..sure…whatever you say Abe) !!

Former NW Addict May 14, 2008 at 4:52 pm

ahh…I am glad you mentioned the “name field”. Now, I know and will try to remember to add “my name” when positing. sorry about all the duplicates. I get a lot of “error” messages after posting the first time. I am the one that no longer plays at NW.

anon43 May 14, 2008 at 4:54 pm

mjp65
Moderator
USA
2475 Posts
“Posted – 04/16/2008 : 18:29:50 Show Profile Send mjp65 an AOL message Reply with Quote
Netwinner pays all winners. We are slow, but we pay. I agree the free lotto world has gone down hill. However, NW is the best free site to win prizes bar none.
I am both an employee of Netwinner and a mod here.”
Copied and pasted from here:
http://www.lottalottos.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1527&whichpage=102

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 4:55 pm

” May 14, 2008 4:42 PM
Anonymous said:
Here is another comment from NW- General Questions and Comments and then Mike’s response. Man !
…I may be wrong, but I think the jackpot would be paid off over a number of years. Even back a year ago it stated something like $50,000 a year or something. I’m just saying that maybe they wouldn’t have to have the whole million on hand if someone won the jackpot. Whether or not it would actually be paid is another discussion.
….lol, it would be reversed to points at 50,000,000 per year until paid off. lol I agree, if they can’t pay everyone what they have coming, good luck to the one that wins the jackpot, lol,lol, lol
(Abe Lincoln’s response)
…Considering the week we had, this is a great question. I have asked for an answer. I will let you know what i hear back.
!!!!!!

Ask him lots of stuff like that. He’ll give the same response repeatedly. It’s great because it shows that:
1. He doesn’t share much for someone who’s supposed to be a player liaison and share (being the operative word here) actual answers.
2. It will take weeks for Mike to provide some useless answer for each question since he seems to need approval for the smallest of answers beyond being rude to people and telling them they’re wrong. Meanwhile Mike says nothing to backup his accusations toward members who ask simple questions.
3. The more often one and two above are shown as Mike’s track record along with bullying and locking threads that fluster him to new members, the more they’ll see the trend.
See more about Mike here:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/artfuldodger.htm

Rich May 14, 2008 at 4:59 pm

Okay so after running errands I gave Action 9 another try and this time got the confirmation message. Now I’m not sure what to do with my day, since I am banned from Netwinnerland and can no longer interrogate Mike in the hopes that he will reveal even more knowledge into the company’s wrongdoings. I would say that I’d like to have a debate with Mike about how he is always claiming Netwinner is the greatest thing since Al Gore invented the internet, but then again I’ve been to a lot of zoos and the chimps and gorillas don’t normally argue back if I try to debate them, so I’m not sure I’d get any more answers from him.

dollphyn May 14, 2008 at 4:59 pm

This is what has just been stated from mike::
We have a new structure. We are now solvent.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 5:01 pm

” May 14, 2008 4:47 PM
Former NW Addict said:
ahh…I am glad you mentioned the “name field”. Now, I know and will try to remember to add “my name” when positing. sorry about all the duplicates. I get a lot of “error” messages after posting the first time. I am the one that no longer plays at NW.”
Welcome! I don’t play there anymore either ofcourse, LOL. Pull up a chair at the potluck of people who know it’s not worth it but have plenty to share such as teamwork, information and giving a damn about your fellow man.

Rich May 14, 2008 at 5:07 pm

What? People quit playing at Netwinner? But I love to type in word/image security boxes after clicking on a button that picks “random” numbers and then compares it to a “random” winning sequence while watching ads that I can only see 100 times on tv. And I love redeeming points for raffle entries that are won by some name that they probably just make up to sound like a real person. Netwinner is the best! [for those who don't know, this paragraph was written with the most sarcasm I could buy at Walmart without having to show my ID]

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 5:09 pm

Just to let you guys know…
If you don’t see me for a bit after today, I’m going in for a routine surgical procedure tomorrow afternoon. As in, if I you don’t see me, it’s because I probably can’t see you, lol. It’s not a big deal but I just want to let you guys know. :)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 5:10 pm

LOL @ Rich

Rich May 14, 2008 at 5:11 pm

Good luck with the procedure YGDNetwinner, we will try to hold down the fort and rally the troops and insert any other cliche here while you are gone! =)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 5:11 pm

LOL
Thanks! :o )

acsfl May 14, 2008 at 5:11 pm

You’reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay said:
Just to let you guys know…
If you don’t see me for a bit after today, I’m going in for a routine surgical procedure tomorrow afternoon. As in, if I you don’t see me, it’s because I probably can’t see you, lol. It’s not a big deal but I just want to let you guys know. :)
—————
Good luck! We’ll miss you!

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 5:13 pm

Awww…Gee whiz
Thanks again :)

Aaron May 14, 2008 at 5:16 pm

Hope all goes well YGD. And if your like me and tend to flirt with nurses while drugged up apologise before hand. /GRIN

tom May 14, 2008 at 5:17 pm

what a joke after all this he has the nerve to change his avatar to abe lincoln’s if he wanted to be “historical” he could of got it right and found benedict arnold’s somewhere on the web

Vickie May 14, 2008 at 5:18 pm

This is what Mike just wrote about why were some people paid out last week and not everyone?
We can close the doors. That is the other options. Is that what you prefer?

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 5:21 pm

” May 14, 2008 5:13 PM
Aaron said:
Hope all goes well YGD. And if your like me and tend to flirt with nurses while drugged up apologise before hand. /GRIN

Thanks :)
And seeing as how I’m a married woman, I won’t be flirting with any of the nurses. My husband keeps my flirting datebook overbooked as it is! hahaha

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 5:23 pm

” May 14, 2008 5:17 PM
Vickie said:
This is what Mike just wrote about why were some people paid out last week and not everyone?
We can close the doors. That is the other options. Is that what you prefer?

Ofcourse we would. If you don’t have integrity and pay what you owe, it’s the ethical thing to do. But he wouldn’t know much about that, LOL.

Aaron May 14, 2008 at 5:26 pm

Yes, Pay what you owe, close the doors then if need be. Otherwise your just as criminal as Enron execs. The speed at wich they are deleating posts and banning folks over at NWC I’m betting they shredding documents and erasing all kindsa data from the HD’s now at headquarters. Hope some whistleblower inside is saving stuff tho. /NUDGE /NUDGE

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 5:28 pm

” May 14, 2008 5:23 PM
Aaron said:
Yes, Pay what you owe, close the doors then if need be. Otherwise your just as criminal as Enron execs. The speed at wich they are deleating posts and banning folks over at NWC I’m betting they shredding documents and erasing all kindsa data from the HD’s now at headquarters. Hope some whistleblower inside is saving stuff tho. /NUDGE /NUDGE
May 14, 2008 5:26 PM”
It would be a great way for one of them to save their own behinds from the hoosgow if nothing else. If it does happen, I bet that will be the main motive over someone there growing a conscience. Whatever works, imo.

Aaron May 14, 2008 at 5:29 pm

I’m married as well, but doesn’t stop me flirting when the morphine makes me uninhibeted in everyway. Been in the hosptial so many time ovre past 7 years and had so many people see my junk I could be stripper if I could come close to dancing well.

Jaymie May 14, 2008 at 5:31 pm

good luck tomorrow and I hope all goes well for you YGDN.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 5:32 pm

Practice makes perfect, Aaron! =)
Thank you too Jaymie :)

Rich May 14, 2008 at 5:33 pm

Your husband doesn’t want you flirting with the male nurses? LOL

Jaymie May 14, 2008 at 5:40 pm

Mike just asked everyone if they liked his new avatar ( it’s a guy in a dog house ) and dollphyn replies with “couldn’t find any of Benedict Arnold?”
Sorry but Benedict Arnold would be much more fitting….. too funny

Rich May 14, 2008 at 5:40 pm

So is it illegal to gamble our NW points into a raffle of who can more closely predict the hour that:
(a) Netwinner’s HQ is raided by the FBI, or other similar state or federal agency OR
(b) Netwinner closes its doors, folding either to bankruptcy or just hoping to run away from its obligations OR
(c) Netwinner senior management takes Mike out behind the woodshed for making so many damaging comments and then editing them on the forum after people took screen shots
Who’s in? LOL

Former NW Addict May 14, 2008 at 5:41 pm

Abe Lincolon posted this: (about the solvent response)
We can close the doors. That is the other options. Is that what you prefer?
I say YEs! Why continue your game if you continue to abuse and not practice good business??? CLOSE YOUR DOORS! YOu will end up doing just that anyway Abe

HI May 14, 2008 at 5:41 pm

WHAT SHOULD WE be saving ??

Aaron May 14, 2008 at 5:43 pm

Whistleblowers inside the company would save things like Data statistics, False winner names, Internal memo’s regarding how they planed to shaft us. that sorta thing

Former NW Addict May 14, 2008 at 5:45 pm

interesting he just changed his avatar again. Seems someone from NW or partner site suggested it…probably from what has been said here huh?
I say…go back to the “sneaky bastard” avatar. That is exactly what he called himself in the many forums and even named one of the contests “Sneaky Bastard Contest” LOL

HI May 14, 2008 at 5:47 pm

WHAT IS AND WHERE IS THE LINK FOR THE ACTION 9 THING?

HI May 14, 2008 at 5:48 pm

i meant regular people.. what can we save :)

Former NW Addict May 14, 2008 at 5:48 pm

Here it is: just scroll up above
http://www.wsoctv.com/action9/1922795/detail.html

Jaymie May 14, 2008 at 5:49 pm

Eyewitness News Charlotte NC Action 9 Consumer Complaint Form- http://www.wsoctv.com/action9/1922795/detail.html

Rich May 14, 2008 at 5:50 pm

Hi/Me,
Just as a courtesy, please do not post in all caps, no I’m not saying this to be like NW moderators (since I’ve never been a moderator on any website), it’s just very hard for my old eyes to read lol Also, Becky I believe had asked that we try to reload the page to verify whether or not a comment was posted before resubmitting if we receive an error message.
The Action 9 Consumer Complaint Form is at:
http://www.wsoctv.com/action9/1922795/detail.html
It’s for a Charlotte TV station’s consumer protection reports.

Aaron May 14, 2008 at 5:53 pm

We can save our confirmation e-mails and Screen shots of the prize page (if you manage to get it before they were all erased that is), Copies of the original TOS agreement. and anything else that shows they lied repeatedly to us.

thecommittee May 14, 2008 at 5:59 pm

It would also help the old eyes if every single post isn’t copied and pasted. Hard enough to read it the first time but two, three and four times it gets tiring. Thanks.

Aaron May 14, 2008 at 6:01 pm

But I do love when people quote my wit!!! /smile

Rich May 14, 2008 at 6:04 pm

Speaking of which, if anyone did save the original TOS I’d love to have a copy, I believe it is about the only Netwinner-related item I failed to save. I am working on uploading my screen shots of some of Mike’s responses to Photobucket, as was previously suggested by someone earlier (and I’m too lazy to scroll up to remember who said it).

ME May 14, 2008 at 6:13 pm

I have been asked to discontinue the NetWinner Video Addict Contest. We needed 100 entries to close the contest and award the prizes. As you know, we have had trouble getting enough people to enter, even though this contest has been up for a VERY long time. Now with these latest changes, several of the entrants decided to withdraw from the contest, leaving us with even fewer entries than we already had. I am sorry it has come to this as I know many of you worked very hard on your videos.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 6:14 pm

thats another slap in the face

hello there everyone May 14, 2008 at 6:24 pm

what is the new site everyone is talking about? i know of 2 currently
i hope you dont mind me posting them :) )
WINZY…
http://www.winzy.com/sabbathandruthy
AND MOOLA…
http://www.moola.com:80/moopubs/b2b/exc/join.jsp?sid=4d6a59744e6a51324d413d3d-2
are these the ones everyone talking about???

Aaron May 14, 2008 at 6:26 pm

Are the brownosers still singing the praises over at Netloser? Or is it all Mods just posting as members. Can one of you techie types figure that out and call them on it if so?

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 6:40 pm

You know what folks? Something just occurred to me about all of this while I was in the shower. (Don’t things come to us at the strangest places and the oddest times sometimes, lol)…
Someone mentioned awhile ago that they’d been banned but they were still receiving reply notifications from the SevenCirclesOfPropoganda forum. I said at the time that the problem could be remedied by classifying the messages as spam and that should be the end of it. But, I’ve reconsidered that opinion.
Why not let the replies keep coming to your inbox so that you have your own front seat of what’s going on in the forum and have documentation neatly archived in your saved folder of each new post made? As a matter of fact, I think everyone who still has access might benefit from setting up for reply notifications to all pertinent threads to be sent to their email as well. You can do this by going to any thread and clicking the Watch Topic button that’s located on the lower-left corner of any page in a thread.
It’s just an idea I thought I’d pass on. :)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 6:48 pm

” Rich said:
Your husband doesn’t want you flirting with the male nurses? LOL”
I don’t know Rich. I’ll make sure to ask him when he gets home. ;)
” May 14, 2008 5:33 PM
Jaymie said:
Mike just asked everyone if they liked his new avatar ( it’s a guy in a dog house ) and dollphyn replies with “couldn’t find any of Benedict Arnold?”
Sorry but Benedict Arnold would be much more fitting….. too funny

Haahaha Jaymie!
” May 14, 2008 5:45 PM
Former NW Addict said:
interesting he just changed his avatar again. Seems someone from NW or partner site suggested it…probably from what has been said here huh?
I say…go back to the “sneaky bastard” avatar. That is exactly what he called himself in the many forums and even named one of the contests “Sneaky Bastard Contest” LOL

It really would be the honest and ethical thing for him to do, which is ofcourse why it doesn’t occur to him. ;)
” May 14, 2008 5:50 PM
Aaron said:
We can save our confirmation e-mails and Screen shots of the prize page (if you manage to get it before they were all erased that is), Copies of the original TOS agreement. and anything else that shows they lied repeatedly to us.

Yep. Those are fantastico evidenceo!
” May 14, 2008 5:53 PM
thecommittee said:
It would also help the old eyes if every single post isn’t copied and pasted. Hard enough to read it the first time but two, three and four times it gets tiring. Thanks.

Yes, I’m a bad one about that. Sorry. But it’s how I make sure to reply to the right posts and to make sure people know who we are replying to specifically. It’s common forum practice. I’d like it very much if we had a more eye-friendly way to do it here (I have problems with eyesight as well), but we don’t so this is what we’ve been doing. Apologies again but it’s the best way we’ve found to do it.

Rich May 14, 2008 at 6:58 pm

The only reason I ask is because my wife seems to think anytime any female talks to me (at the supermarket, etc) she is automatically flirting with me and my opinion on it is we live in the south, they are just being friendly, and I’m happily married so I don’t consider it flirting. If I had even remotely flirted with any of the nurses last week when my wife was having the baby I probably would not be here alive to type this lol

thecommittee May 14, 2008 at 7:01 pm

You’reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay, it may be common forum practice when we can use html to highlight or quote but this isn’t a forum and we don’t have that technology. Someone asked earlier if we could scale down the comments to meaningful ideas, thoughts and opinions. You quoting someone and saying “Ha-Ha” is not relevant.
Thecommittee is just asking if we can all respect not only the person who provided this arena but those with poor eyesight or not much time to read the same posts again and again.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 7:05 pm

I see.
I think we have an established community here which likes talkingbonding to keep our efforts strong. But if you and the majority don’t feel that way, then I guess you don’t.

Becky May 14, 2008 at 7:07 pm

United we stand…remember how the rest of that goes?
My husband, the tech geek, is working on a way to make the comments easier on the eyes as we speak. Hang in there.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 7:08 pm

People also like to know what is being said to who.
As someone with eyesight problems myself (which coincidentally is why I’m having the surgery tomorrow as it’s related to a severe eye problem), I empathize. But again, scrolling up and down the page repeatedly to find where you left off and then hoping each person knows which post of theirs you’re replying to when you do is much harder on the eyes than quoting, imo.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 7:09 pm

” May 14, 2008 7:05 PM
Becky said:
United we stand…remember how the rest of that goes?
My husband, the tech geek, is working on a way to make the comments easier on the eyes as we speak. Hang in there.”
Thanks Becky! :)

acsfl May 14, 2008 at 7:10 pm

Yeah, I got burned the other day when I replied nastily to an anon comment because there are so many anons. So, I try to quote if I’m directly responding.
but, as Becky said, maybe we’ll get a better way soon ;-)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 7:11 pm

LOL Rich :)

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 7:20 pm

Filing complaints with the BBB may only slow down the amount of partner sites. Not sure they will resopnd to the complaints. I think calling the NC States Attorney may be better but I think I’ll do both.

Former NW Addict May 14, 2008 at 7:32 pm

This was just posted in the Questions/Comment Forum of NW:
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 05:25 pm
I’ve had enough and I’m going elsewhere. Took me forever just to reach my 1st $25 card. It was being processessed months ago and now they’ve taken it away. I now feel like an idiot for having referred so many friends to NetWinner. I never received an email from Netwinner about any changes. I had to find out through through other sources. After all of NetWinner’s dirty dealings and there are plenty, just do a little searching here and on the net, I’m am leaving.
Ah, but look – Netwinner gives us no option to close or terminate our own accounts. No where in the My Account section or anywhere else could I find the option to close my account. Went and double checked TOS and they sure make it clear several times that THEY MAY TERMINATE our accounts but nowhere does is give us the option to terminate our own accounts. Why? Because of course if we just walk away and leave our accounts inactive, we are still listed as a member. Then they use their padded member list to draw in more potential sponsors meaning more $ for them.
SO to the powers that be – PLEASE CLOSE MY ACCOUNT IMMEDIATELY both here at netwinnercentral and at netwinner.com and all the sister sites. OR AT LEAST GIVE ME THE OPTION TO TERMINATE MY OWN ACCOUNT. There are many other Netwinner members out there who are looking for this same option. At least do the decent thing and give folks the choice.
Mike’s response:
Please email support@netwinner.com. They will do this for you.

none May 14, 2008 at 7:36 pm

How do we email Becky?

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 7:38 pm

Sounds like that’s what he was hoping for, doesn’t it? Less complaints to be made if people just wash their hands of the whole thing and walk away.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 7:39 pm

Click her linked name in any of her posts and there’s probably a profile with an email address where you can contact her. :)

none May 14, 2008 at 7:41 pm

http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporations/Corp.aspx?PitemId=7955166
Link that shows Becky was correct that Scott Coffman still is the agent registered with the NC Secretary of State.

Becky May 14, 2008 at 7:41 pm

My primary email address: comparerewards@yahoo.com

none May 14, 2008 at 7:44 pm

http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporations/Corp.aspx?PitemId=7955166
Link that shows Becky was correct that Scott Coffman still is the agent registered with the NC Secretary of State.

thecommittee May 14, 2008 at 7:58 pm

Thanks Becky and Mr. Becky, but uhhhhh….hang in there??? :-)

pkb143 May 14, 2008 at 8:03 pm

I was one of those who withdrew their “NW Addict” video entries; actually I deleted my “Netwinner Addict” video on YouTube. I didn’t bother telling NW that they could withdraw my contest entry, as I wrote my goodbye post and from that point on, have/will not participate on the forum, in contests, or the games.
I sure didn’t want my “free publicity for Netwinner” video to stay out there in the cyberworld, and I certainly don’t want people thinking I’m still an “addict” and recruiting more “addicts.”
I gave up (long ago) on the promise that they would actually pick winners and award the $850 in prizes for that contest. I was one of the first 10 to submit a video (last August 2007) and as I remember, there were only about 40 entries. They said they weren’t closing the contest until they had 100 entries. Yeah, right.
When I think about all the free publicity I gave them, in so many ways, it really chaps me now to see how they’ve treated us.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 8:15 pm

Has anyone seen this Agency yet ?http://www.fraud.org/info/repoform.htm

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 8:23 pm

Ooooh, that’s a good one! Thanks :)

Becky May 14, 2008 at 8:39 pm

Mr. Becky is still working to improve the comment headers. Pardon our progress!
Also, because some have asked about it and I haven’t pimped it out in a day or two, the “new site that pays” that has been alluded to on NetWinnerCentral is called BoomerTowne.com. You can earn enough points for a $25 GC in about 8 days, and by investing somewhere around 30 minutes or so a day. It’s open to the US and Canada.
Go directly there to sign up for an account, or if you will email me for an invitation, I’ll send you a list of pointers on how to get your maximum daily points in fairly quickly.
My email address is comparerewards@yahoo.com
Also, FWIW (not much), I PM’d Mike this afternoon when I noticed that I was no longer a VIP Member on the forum. He checked into it and said that the mods took it away because I was “trolling for info and posting it” on my site. To his credit, though, he did reinstate it.
Anon, thanks for the fraud.org link — will add it to the resources blog!
And …NotInAGoodWay, best wishes for a speedy recovery from tomorrow’s surgery!

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 8:41 pm

The server of the fraud report form must be getting slammed because it keeps timing out on me when I try to access it from the main page. I’ll try again later though. :) Great find!

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 8:42 pm

well,when I click on the link : Online Incident Report Form. with this site, I get a Cannot display page :-\ …..But it does have a physical address

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 8:42 pm

Thanks again Becky :)

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 8:45 pm

LOL ..wonder if theyve heard of netloser “yet”

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 8:58 pm

One more back-out of committment…….
I have been asked to discontinue the NetWinner Video Addict Contest. We needed 100 entries to close the contest and award the prizes. As you know, we have had trouble getting enough people to enter, even though this contest has been up for a VERY long time. Now with these latest changes, several of the entrants decided to withdraw from the contest, leaving us with even fewer entries than we already had. I am sorry it has come to this as I know many of you worked very hard on your videos.
Surprise….surprise….surprise…..NOT!

free May 14, 2008 at 9:06 pm

this is better then netwinner. you get paide

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 9:07 pm

I’m getting a lot of 404 Not Found errors when I click on the National Fraud Database links now.
I think our best bet on that one is going to be calling the number they have listed. (I”ve not done so yet myself because I need to get dinner started.) The number listed for reporting internet fraud is: 1-800-876-7060. If anyone has time to call, please let the rest of us know how it goes. Thanks :)

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 9:13 pm

I tried to call ….their no longer taking phone calls ……A recording says only taking complaints thru the Online Incident Report Form.:-( Sorry guys

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 9:25 pm

Here’s another one I just found in between getting the bbq going and cutting up some broccoli:
https://secure.nclforms.org/nficweb/nfic.htm

knothead May 14, 2008 at 9:27 pm

in response to that post about guessing when the FBI will raid NW offices i think maybe another topic to add is ‘guess which tropical island with no extradition the NW bigwigs are planning to run away to with our money’
in response to the one that asked about other game sites – i have been spending most of my time at boomertowne and have already earned a couple of prepaid visa cards in only a month of being a member there
i wish we could send pm’s here, i would like to pass on an idea i just thought of to others because this is a big job and i could use some help with it, maybe if a few of you that are obviously on our side here like rich, aaron, ygdnwaniagw, whysue and dd, etc would send me emails i can tell you in private, i do not want to let the ones that read this that are still members of the nw fan club to see it, my address is tssm76@msn.com

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 9:48 pm

Thanks Becky and Mr Becky for fixing it so that we can read comments better. Much easier on the eyes! :)

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 9:54 pm

Does anyone else think it’s strange that all of a sudden there are more mod posts from mods we haven’t seen in a few days? Like they stayed hidden until the bomb went off then when they feel it’s “all clear” they come out, only to post “positive gushy posts” Geez…someone musta told them to go make with the happy so people would stay or something.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 9:56 pm

I think my post got eaten by the post monster.
I just said that I find it odd that the mods are slowly starting to post again. Almost like they were told to go make with the happy posts so they could hopefully keep some people from jumping ship.

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 9:57 pm

LOL! I knew that was gonna happen…sorry for the dupes again..geez

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 14, 2008 at 10:00 pm

” Posted by: Anonymous
Date: May 14, 2008 9:54 PM
Does anyone else think it’s strange that all of a sudden there are more mod posts from mods we haven’t seen in a few days? Like they stayed hidden until the bomb went off then when they feel it’s “all clear” they come out, only to post “positive gushy posts” Geez…someone musta told them to go make with the happy so people would stay or something.

I think they’ve been so busy nosing around over here that they’re just getting back over there, LOL. We’ve got about 1100 posts in two threads on this topic. Probably took them awhile to catch up. ;)

indivisible (with liberty and justice) May 14, 2008 at 10:13 pm

here’s another one: http://www.ic3.gov/
This is a replacement for the original IFCC (internet fraud complaint center) and their faq’s state:
“Internet crime is defined as any illegal activity involving one or more components of the Internet, such as websites, chat rooms, and/or email. Internet crime involves the use of the Internet to communicate false or fraudulent representations to consumers. These crimes may include, but are not limited to, advance-fee schemes, non-delivery of goods or services, computer hacking, or employment/business opportunity schemes.”
Please check this out and read the FAQ’s! These guys will send all our complaints to everyone in authority that have jurisdiction in this matter. They do have an online complaint form

ann May 14, 2008 at 10:21 pm

I have emailed a relative who is married to a cop in Georgia to see if he can find out anything or give some advice about what has happened. I will post what she says if anyone is interested. It may be a few days.
To Becky—THANK you so much for allowing us all to vent and discuss this mess with netwinner. The change to the forum is great!

Anonymous May 14, 2008 at 10:40 pm

I am reading some of the forum posts under general questions and discussions and there is a pole going on asking people to vote if the odds of winning went back up. I posted a comment to them as follows: and was told by a mamajenjen who has Administrator after her name to stick with the topic.
My comment was: the odds going up has nothing to do with the issue at hand which is pay up what you already owe. how can anyone trust that they would even get their raffle wins, at this point?? How can anyone really trust that they will get the daily drawing wins? What guarantee do the players have?
My question is would my post not be the topic that everyone has been talking about all week?
My answer back to her was: excuse me but the question was if the odds went up would the players consider staying. and my question is how are the odds going up going to help the current situation of people who have been paying for months have been told sorry but you are not going to be paid for what you won. Now you want us to vote on the odds going up in winning points. and my question is how is this going to help with the current situation that everyone has been talking about all week. There is only so much trust one can have. How can I be guaranteed that I will be paid with higher odds or better points with raffles and current prizes offered?? I think this is part of the topic. Thank You

Tinkertoo (not BANNED here) May 14, 2008 at 10:42 pm

For those of you who, like me, are in Canada, here is a great place to report:
http://www.phonebusters.com/
This is the RCMP’s fraud squad – they handle internet fraud, and have an on-line form (click on RECOL). It would definitely help to establish this as an international crime.

Rich May 14, 2008 at 10:53 pm

You know another thing that screams fraud about Netwinner is that a lot of state lotteries and major prize drawings are audited by independent accounting firms, to my knowledge, and someone please correct me if I’m wrong, the Netwinner “sweepstakes” and raffle drawings are not audited by anyone outside the company and are all administered in secret by Netwinner staff.

Vickie May 14, 2008 at 11:01 pm

What makes me really mad is the guy who won a raffle a few weeks ago and got his prize.
He wrote this:
I am posting this here because I want as many people as possible to see this.
For those that said NW wouldn’t send out raffle prizes, I just want to say “Yes they will and yes they did!” I won the Haier Portable DVD/TV. I received it today. Here is a pic of me and my wife with it. Yeah she let me keep it, but she gets to use it whenever she wants.
It’s a nice little thing, we really like it. Thanks again NW!
Something like this gets me so mad that they can not pay us but they can send this guy his raffle prize that he just won a few weeks ago.

Rich May 14, 2008 at 11:02 pm

Nice comparison:
Company – Size (Employees) – # of complaints in last 36mo.
Walmart – 670000 – 218
Netwinner – 3 – 20
Walmart is BBB accredited, Netwinner is not.
Walmart has responded to all complaints at the BBB and exhibited a good faith effort to resolve them, even if some customers are still unsatisfied.
Netwinner has an unsatisfactory rating from the BBB, due to failing to respond to one or more reports, and unable to resolve two or more.
* – All facts courtesy of the BBB website, now how does Netwinner blame all of their problems on fraud and growing too fast? Walmart is one of the biggest retailers, and growing, and you can’t tell me Walmart doesn’t have fraud to deal with too.

Aaron May 14, 2008 at 11:03 pm

Maybe it’s Mikes old TV now they can afford Giant ones.

Rich May 14, 2008 at 11:09 pm

lol Aaron, but I doubt they have tvs considering Mike is too busy with his (award-winning?) journalism career, and AHardison is too busy writing every single piece of software in use by every company in America (I only wrote that because I can’t remember the long list of companies he has supposedly written software for since he was 12).

knothead May 14, 2008 at 11:12 pm

i was thinking it must be ladybowie’s hubby

bruce May 14, 2008 at 11:32 pm

Posted by: Anonymous
Date: May 14, 2008 10:41 PM
I am reading some of the forum posts under general questions and discussions and there is a pole going on asking people to vote if the odds of winning went back up. I posted a comment to them as follows: and was told by a mamajenjen who has Administrator after her name to stick with the topic.
My comment was: the odds going up has nothing to do with the issue at hand which is pay up what you already owe. how can anyone trust that they would even get their raffle wins, at this point?? How can anyone really trust that they will get the daily drawing wins? What guarantee do the players have?
My question is would my post not be the topic that everyone has been talking about all week?
My answer back to her was: excuse me but the question was if the odds went up would the players consider staying. and my question is how are the odds going up going to help the current situation of people who have been paying for months have been told sorry but you are not going to be paid for what you won. Now you want us to vote on the odds going up in winning points. and my question is how is this going to help with the current situation that everyone has been talking about all week. There is only so much trust one can have. How can I be guaranteed that I will be paid with higher odds or better points with raffles and current prizes offered?? I think this is part of the topic. Thank You
here is a question you can ask that mod
if the games are honestly random how then can the ods go either up or down on this type of game. there are always going to be the same number of balls which means that the odds would stay the same if it was random. the only way to change the odds on a game would be to be able to program the game to payout on certain spins, therefore this would not be random.

bruce May 14, 2008 at 11:39 pm

thanks becky that helped a lot. easy to see what was written and when and by who

Rich May 14, 2008 at 11:50 pm

Yeah I second Bruce’s comment, thanks Becky and Becky’s DH =)

Former NW Addict May 15, 2008 at 12:00 am

Bruce- I need to inform you that it was not mamajenjen who posted that. It was from one of the players asking the question/poll

Former NW Addict May 15, 2008 at 12:17 am

On General Questions/Comments..this was posted. Ughhh
GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!
You did not have to give up your first born to play this game, that is all it is, a game. I bet when you started playing, you were singing NW’s praises. What is it called? ‘A fair weather friend’?. I would not like to be a friend of yours.

bruce May 15, 2008 at 12:18 am

ok well i would not know that since netwinner does not want people with their own thoughts in there so i am banned

bruce May 15, 2008 at 12:21 am

i just posted with the ic3 or what ever that link above was . becky i hope you do not mind but they wanted to know if there was a site somewhere that had other people that had been cheated as well so i sort of told them here. is that ok ?

bruce May 15, 2008 at 12:59 am

i forgot almost i had a question for everyone
did anyone who has not gotten paid receive a 1099 from netwinner from last year?

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 1:07 am

I have been watching this story develop… I too have been cheated by netwinner. After waiting about 6 months for a E count card omly to find double the points back in my account(I didn’t recieve an e-mail).
I figured to dump my points into a drawing but the I discovered this
in the “Winners club” so called drawing:
May 6 2008
$250.00 Ecount winners
Cincinnati65
Warner Robins GA
Woodbine67
Toronto Toronto CAN
May 7 2008
Ladydarcie
London On Can
Heywoman53
Pelican Lake Wi
May 8 2008
Cincinnati65
Robins GA
Woodbine67
Toronto Can
May 9 2008
Ladydarcie
London On Can
Heywoman53
Lake Wi
So my qiestion is how “random” are netwinners “random” drawings?
I had to post it here because I have no doubt in my mind that it would be deleted at netwinner.

Rich May 15, 2008 at 1:15 am

Wow, I see the “random” drawings are doing a great job of spreading the wealth – which as well all know, was the reason for spin limits, to keep from it being a few people winning all the money that should be available to all players. Too bad I’m banned and can’t quiz Mike on how NW associates a couple players winning all the raffle drawings to making it fair for everyone to win.

bruce May 15, 2008 at 1:53 am

sort of makes one wonder.
of course i did say before that i did not see the raffles being honest. hard to believe that the same 4 people could win and not only win 2x each but in the same order as well. i wonder what the odds of that happening would be. i hope you took a screen shot of that because it will be gone soon. the mods would not want anyone that is still playing to see that. if a mod was to see that and not know that there was fraud i do not know what to think other than they are just as dishonest as netwinner.
arnt the 250 ecount from the entries to the daily drawings that you now win instead of the 10 points? if that is the case how can the same 4 people win in the same order over a 4 day span out of over 25,000 people? i mean really the odds of that happening out of just 100 people is 1 in 90,345.024 i can not even calculate the odds of the same 4 winning in the same order over a 4 day span because the ods would be astronomical. otherwords would be something like 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

bruce May 15, 2008 at 1:58 am

could you please get a screen shot of that and email it to me at thetruepoolgod@yahoo.com? i would like to have it for my records

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 2:12 am

” Posted by: ann
Date: May 14, 2008 10:21 PM
I have emailed a relative who is married to a cop in Georgia to see if he can find out anything or give some advice about what has happened. I will post what she says if anyone is interested. It may be a few days.
To Becky—THANK you so much for allowing us all to vent and discuss this mess with netwinner. The change to the forum is great!

Please do. I am interested and I’m sure others are too. :)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 2:22 am

” Posted by: Anonymous
Date: May 14, 2008 10:40 PM
I am reading some of the forum posts under general questions and discussions and there is a pole going on asking people to vote if the odds of winning went back up. I posted a comment to them as follows: and was told by a mamajenjen who has Administrator after her name to stick with the topic.
My comment was: the odds going up has nothing to do with the issue at hand which is pay up what you already owe. how can anyone trust that they would even get their raffle wins, at this point?? How can anyone really trust that they will get the daily drawing wins? What guarantee do the players have?
My question is would my post not be the topic that everyone has been talking about all week?
My answer back to her was: excuse me but the question was if the odds went up would the players consider staying. and my question is how are the odds going up going to help the current situation of people who have been paying for months have been told sorry but you are not going to be paid for what you won. Now you want us to vote on the odds going up in winning points. and my question is how is this going to help with the current situation that everyone has been talking about all week. There is only so much trust one can have. How can I be guaranteed that I will be paid with higher odds or better points with raffles and current prizes offered?? I think this is part of the topic. Thank You”
Great response! :)
If the winner’s list is still up, I’ll get a screenshot of it too.

bruce May 15, 2008 at 2:24 am

cool please email me a copy pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 2:45 am

Here’s a pic of the same four people winning the “random raffles” four days in a row:
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk145/PayUpNetwinnerDotOrg/PayUpNetwinnerDotOrg.jpg

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 2:46 am

Just click the link. :)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 2:56 am

Here’s the response to that in another thread:
NetWinner Central Home
NetWinner Central > General NW Discussion, Reporting, And Suggestions > General Questions and Comments > Random Raffle Winners ?
Random Raffle Winners ?
Author
steve2500
Member
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 11:27 pm
Quote Reply
The same two people each won the raffle on May 6th and May 8th . Doesn’t look too random to me .
These are from 2 seperate threads , one posted on 5/9/08 , and the other posted 5/14/08 . Here are the two threads in the prize drawings .
http://www.netwinnercentral.com/view_topic.php?id=4034&forum_id=36
http://www.netwinnercentral.com/view_topic.php?id=4190&forum_id=36
May 6, 2008
$250 Ecount
cincinnati65
Warner Robins, GA
woodbine67
Toronto, Toronto, CAN
May 8, 2008
$250 Ecount
cincinnati65
Robins GA
woodbine67
Toronto Toronto, CAN
jetskimax
Member
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 11:31 pm
Quote Reply
I am hoping that it is a clerical mistake because the implications otherwise are quite terrible. :(
steve2500
Member
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 11:38 pm
Quote Reply
jetskimax wrote: I am hoping that it is a clerical mistake because the implications otherwise are quite terrible. :(
Who knows . There are two other duplicate winners . Notice , the cities are all slightly different . Hmmm .
May 7, 2008
$250 Ecount
Ladydarcie
London, ON, CAN
Heywoman53
Pelican Lake, WI
May 9, 2008
$250 Ecount
ladydarcie
St London ON, CAN
Heywoman53
Lake WI
jetskimax
Member
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 11:42 pm
Quote Reply
It doesn’t look very good. It also doesn’t make any sense. If you were going to “rig” a drawing and have phony winners why would you just put the same names up…
I’m not making any decisions on this until someone has an opportunity to explain how the same four people could win a drawing twice in one week. :?
peachjuteux
VIP Member
Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 12:05 am
Quote Reply :shock:
jetskimax
Member
Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 12:29 am
Quote Reply
Okay..I looked at both threads…you notice that the four names on the bottom of the first thread are the same four names as on the top of the second thread.
Someone was tired when they posted the second thread (gee, go figure). I think it was a mistake. Who knows, but I work late at night sometimes and make mistakes.
Let’s give Shelly a chance to reply before jumping to conclusions, ok? ;)
FieryVixen
Contest Moderator
Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 12:42 am
Quote Reply
I am sure that this was just a mistake. She has been running on empty and been very tired. Shelly is currently asleep (for her couple hours of sleep per night lol) but I will either tell her so she can correct it or get the info to correct it for her. Sorry about that!
——————————————
So it looks like they’re saying it was a mistake. Uh…ya think? Or they got busted. I’m tending to lead toward incompetence on Shelley’s part for this one. She’s done stuff like this over the years. If it happens again, I’ll definitely be leaning the other way.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 3:05 am

Here’s some more of the ass-kissing threads just so you guys can see them. Banned people aren’t supposed to be able to do this, lol. Screw ‘em. =)
Page One:
To the players that have decided to stay…
holly222
Administrator
To the players that have decided to stay…
I my self was on the verge of jumping ship. I was really shocked (still am) and saddened by what happened Monday. But after some time to think, I decided to stay for the friends I have made and the hopes of the site to be as fun as it once was. The way I see it, anything that changes now at Netwinner has to be a upgrade and good changes from where we are now.
We mods are thinking up ways on how to get the site back to the fun place it use to be. We appreciate all that have decided to stay and see what happens next.
For those that have decided to leave.. I wish you the best of luck and really hate to see you guys go. Each one of you guys has helped make this forum feel like a family away from home.
Last edited on Wed May 14th, 2008 06:48 pm by holly222
Scraphappy
VIP Member
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 06:57 pm
Quote Reply
Hi Holly! Nice to see you!
I’ll be staying. My first impulse was to dump my points and leave, but that was just the first shock and anger. Now I’ve decided that all you wonderful people are important to me and help fill my day with fun. I’ll miss the ones leaving. First thing I do every day is coffee and NWC…it’s been a habit too long to break. :) :D:)
holly222
Administrator
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 07:01 pm
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Scraphappy wrote: Hi Holly! Nice to see you!
I’ll be staying. My first impulse was to dump my points and leave, but that was just the first shock and anger. Now I’ve decided that all you wonderful people are important to me and help fill my day with fun. I’ll miss the ones leaving. First thing I do every day is coffee and NWC…it’s been a habit too long to break. :) :D:)
Good to hear your staying. I was MIA for a few weeks due to moving, and just came back over the weekend. Im still catching up on everything.
jetskimax
Member
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 07:04 pm
Quote Reply
You don’t have to play to stay. The Forum and Corporate are two separate entities and you can still visit with the friends you have made here online and still be angry at the company policies.
I’m disappointd with how things were handled but I still like a lot of the people here and enjoy their company. The forum has become a dumping ground for issues that should be handled by paid employees in the corporate customer service department.
This could have been handled better. :(
craftygrandma
VIP Member
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 07:04 pm
Quote Reply
Hi Holly: I will be staying. I was really upset as I had referrals and family calling me all day. I felt like I had led them on.
I really love doing the sudoku and the crossword, so I am here for the long haul. Maybe its just curiousity to see what is going to happen to the site. I loved it at the beginning. Spent more time on this site every day then I should have. It was addicting. Here’s hoping things change for the better.
Thank you for everything you do for us!!!
msv
Member
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 07:07 pm
Quote Reply
Good to see the mods post their feelings. I also was unsure of how to react at first and I read it on the forum after it stopped crashing on me and never did get the email I got the “I told you so” from my son which didn’t use such nice language since it was “my fault” so no suprise the mods would take a lot of heat. He immediately wanted to cash out and give up. But when we discussed it the odds of instant cash were still the same and the fact that I won a raffle from our missing 10 pointers was another possibility and we thought about our banko cash out strategy now prefer the entries over the potential points. My other two referrals I believe still play but not on a daily basis. I agree that something exciting needs to be added and fast payouts will spread on the web. I can attest that after the contest to post-and-win the fall out has been pretty negative with lots of places to post.
LadyBowie
Mini Mod
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 07:08 pm
Quote Reply
Well you’re stuck with me and Robert.:D
RaceCat3
VIP Member
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 07:09 pm
Quote Reply
I’m so happy to see as many positive posts that I have seen in the last couple of days. I think that is a good sign that many will at least stay here on the forum. And maybe more will return after some time away. They will be missed, but the rest of us can carry on in the mean time. Holly, you and the other admins and mods (Mike included of course), have endured alot here in the last several weeks. The fact that you all are still here is a testament to your dedication to Netwinner and to us, your members and players. And I thank you all for that! :D
Koronin
Member
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 07:35 pm
Quote Reply
I will definitely stay at the forum. I enjoy the forum and would miss it. The game right now is a whole other issue. My plan at the moment is to only play just enough to keep it active and no more until the bring back real prizes. IMO raffles are not prizes. But I do enjoy the forums and want to stay at the forums.
LadyBowie
Mini Mod
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 07:36 pm
Quote Reply
I think the raffles are pretty cool lol.:)
JustDeb
Member
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 07:37 pm
Quote Reply
I am also glad to see the admins, mods, mini-mods hanging in and showing their support for NW. I know that the last few days have been hard on all of you since you are the ones here and the first ones to feel the heat. Just read on another post that a raffle prize was received, so I hope that will show people that NW does want to make this work
wdwatson
Member
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 07:46 pm
Quote Reply
I am staying:)
bobt1956
Moderator
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 07:52 pm
Quote Reply
I’ve just been busy on the homefront lately but have no plans on going anywhere. :)
lissaj (Or maybe her dual personality. We never can be sure, can we? Or her dog.)
Moderator
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 07:55 pm
Quote Reply
You aren’t getting rid of me either. As disappointed as I am in the way things were handled, I also believe things can only get better. I know there are a lot of ticked off players right now and I don’t blame them one bit. Some will leave. I hate to see that, but it’s going to happen. I am not happy with the changes either, but I’m sticking around.:)
lcuillec84
VIP Member
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 07:55 pm
Quote Reply
I was disapointed also but life goes on ..you’ll be stuck with me:D
Not leaving:D

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 3:09 am

Same thread, Page Two:
LadyBowie
Mini Mod
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 07:57 pm
Quote Reply
It’s so nice to see those of you that have decided to stick it out. I want you all to know that you are appreciated. I truly believe that NW has great things coming.
I also would like to thank you all for the kind words. Being the new mini mod, I had no idea how stressful this could be. All of the Mods and mini mods deserve a thank you. It’s a hard job, but I really enjoy it.
I hope in time I get better at this, but believe me I really care about NW, the staff, mods, and the players. I’m proud to call you all my friends.
aurora
Member
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 08:01 pm
Quote Reply
I’m staying along with the five members of my family but I have no idea about my other referrals…two of my family members are very discouraged but then I showed them a suggestion on the forum about netwinner joining up with points.com to trade points for “real stuff” of value. I hope Netwinner considers this although I don’t know what that means for the profit margin. We have not been lucky with any of the raffles so I would rather keep these points for a concrete item.
LJStew
Mini Mod
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 08:05 pm
Quote Reply
I’m still gonna be here,you can’t get rid of me that easy.;):D
Hoping for brighter days…:)
mamajenjen
Administrator
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 08:05 pm
Quote Reply
I’m here for the long haul as well.
Thanks to all who have decided to stick it out with us. :)
lattesgold
Member
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 08:07 pm
Quote Reply
My hubby is undecided yet, but I will be sticking around for now. I will, however, only be supporting the sites that do contests on the side. At this point, I see no sence in supporting partner sites that do nothing but rack in the money NW is paying them.
I will also be trying to get a bit more involved with the forum contests, as at least those can be fun…thanks to the mods. :)
I personally feel that NW should give us ways to spend our points on something besides raffles. We all work too hard to get the points without throwing them to the wind in the slim chance that we might actually win a raffle…no matter how great the raffle prize.
Boogie350
Member
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 09:48 pm
Quote Reply
aurora wrote: I’m staying along with the five members of my family but I have no idea about my other referrals…two of my family members are very discouraged but then I showed them a suggestion on the forum about netwinner joining up with points.com to trade points for “real stuff” of value. I hope Netwinner considers this although I don’t know what that means for the profit margin. We have not been lucky with any of the raffles so I would rather keep these points for a concrete item.
That is my biggest beef with the changes. I don’t like raffles either, I just never seen to win them. Plenty of sites I can do raffles on. Netwinner was one of the few sites where you could get something TANGIBLE in return for my patronage. It doesn’t have to be cash or ecount cards, I’d gladly take dinner for 2 at Applebees, free rolls of toilet paper or $25 on my Paypal account to use on ebay instead of raffles…. just something tangible.
The points.com idea would be great.
Koronin
Member
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 10:36 pm
Quote Reply
I agree with Boogie, that it does not have to be cash or even gift cards, but I will only use the points on a tangible item. I’d spend a few one some rolls of toilot paper or paper towels, cat toys, or even something like powder crystal light, heck even batteries I’d take a look at. You can never have too many batteries on hand. On a servey site that rewards in points, I’ve cashed out there for a small but nice set of shelves (although we are using it to hold CDs and DVDs.) They offer prizes ranging from gift cards to shelves to mixers and hot pots, to flash lights.
jetskimax
Member
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 10:43 pm
Quote Reply
A four pack of toilet paper (double rolls) goes for about $2.79 at Food Lion. Yup, I would use points if the prize was a case of toilet paper (50 rolls). I think what members are saying is they would appreciate something practical in return for their points and time spent playing games.
That sounds like a reasonable request. :(
rivulus
Moderator
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 10:57 pm
Quote Reply
I’ll be sticking around as well. Initially , upon hearing the news on Monday , I was quite upset as I was holding off cashing out some of my points until the backlog eased up a bit.
I am in agreement with those that don’t like the all raffle concept. Rarely ever win them. I too do some of the survey sites that pay in points and like that you can redeem the points for some sort of tangible item (even gift cards). At least that way , I can get something I want and know that I am getting it.
Just have to see what the future brings.
peachjuteux
VIP Member
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 10:59 pm
Quote Reply
OMG with 4 kids we go through a 12 pack tp a week- id give points for paper lol- that and conditioner( for like free pack coupons) i love when ya get a free product coupon- thats gold around here- (hint) heck id buy coupons with points-oh and hubby addicted to the 1.00 dvd’s- why i dunno- but he buys 2 every time we go to walmart-
Last edited on Wed May 14th, 2008 11:00 pm by peachjuteux
jetskimax
Member
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 11:17 pm
Quote Reply
peachjuteux wrote: OMG with 4 kids we go through a 12 pack tp a week- id give points for paper lol- that and conditioner( for like free pack coupons) i love when ya get a free product coupon- thats gold around here- (hint) heck id buy coupons with points-oh and hubby addicted to the 1.00 dvd’s- why i dunno- but he buys 2 every time we go to walmart-
I hear ya, lol…I somtimes wonder if my family is EATING the TP, lol. i belong to a few of the big freebie sites and when Kraft foods does the free product coupons we all get a kick out of it (Me especially) ;)
peachjuteux
VIP Member
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 11:19 pm
Quote Reply
I know what ya mean- every bit helps- and my girls run to the mail box to see what freebies mom got today- lol- those sample tooth pastes and things come in handy around here- i love it…….
jetskimax
Member
Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 11:24 pm
Quote Reply
peachjuteux wrote: I know what ya mean- every bit helps- and my girls run to the mail box to see what freebies mom got today- lol- those sample tooth pastes and things come in handy around here- i love it…….
Yes…we are never too old to love surprises, the unexpected and forgotten survey check, a product sample that is almost full size. Anticipation always brightens our days. You gave me a good idea for a thread Peach, I’ll post shortly. ;)

jetskimax May 15, 2008 at 3:11 am

Everyone deals with events in their own way. Why does it bother you so much that this is how they are dealing with their shock and disappointment? I don’t think they are “ass-kissing”, I think they are just trying to hold on to their sense of community because that is all that is left at the Forum. :(

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 3:12 am

The Netwinner lackeys may send Becky a note about me posting those here once they see them. If they do, I’ll understand if they’re taken down. In the meantime, enjoy them while they’re here! =D

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 3:13 am

Spin baby, spin.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 3:14 am

Now run and tell MommyNetwinner.

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 3:15 am

If you are going to defend those people, you’ll get no sympathy from me at ALL.

jetskimax May 15, 2008 at 3:19 am

I am not defending anyone. Why should I? I just don’t understand how your anger against a company that reneged on redemptions has been turned against a bunch of SAHM and little old ladies.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 3:21 am

You do understand who I was referring to there as ass-kissers don’t you? Not every person in that thread. It’s pretty blatant who’s doing what there.
“Wonderful people”, my ass. They’re sucking people in under the guise of friendship and I find it disgusting. If you don’t, that’s your choice and your opinion.
People want to see what’s been said in this topic of hot conversation and now they can.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 3:23 am

” Posted by: jetskimax
Date: May 15, 2008 3:19 AM
I am not defending anyone. Why should I? I just don’t understand how your anger against a company that reneged on redemptions has been turned against a bunch of SAHM and little old ladies.

Don’t assume my motivations please. I’m actually not angry in fact. People repeatedly said they’d like to see this thread and so there it is. My opinion is my own. Nobody else has to adopt it, unlike SOME PLACES.

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 3:25 am

I thought that what people wanted to see was avenues they could pursue to take action and get paid their redemptions. I thought this was a thread to exchange useful information.
Why would people want to see a bunch of women talking about toilet paper and freebies, kids and prizes?
What does that have to do with this thread or this site?

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 3:29 am

” Posted by: Anonymous
Date: May 15, 2008 3:25 AM
I thought that what people wanted to see was avenues they could pursue to take action and get paid their redemptions. I thought this was a thread to exchange useful information.
Why would people want to see a bunch of women talking about toilet paper and freebies, kids and prizes?
What does that have to do with this thread or this site?

As I said, it was mentioned many times. This isn’t Netwinner. The asking of the same question over and over until the point is lost entirely is not what we’re doing. If people want to see threads over there, I have no problem posting the ones they asked to see.
In the meantime, if you find some relevant threads that people have asked for or that you think are relevant, I suggest you post those. No reason to knock the folks who requested this one.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 3:33 am

Keep in mind that if you decide to post a copy of a Netwinner thread here that you shouldn’t get to attached to it. Becky will likely be asked to take them down. Whether she will or not, I have no idea.
We live in a free society where these threads should be viewable to people who were banned without cause other than people at Netwinner having a personal dislike for their honesty. As far as I’m concerned on that issue, ask and you shall receive unless Becky tells me and anyone else otherwise.

jetskimax May 15, 2008 at 3:40 am

I’m not knocking anyone. I see alot of people I consider friends posting here. I’m pursuing avenues to get my redemptions also. I’m not trying to be argumentive – just curious.
One of the members, a very nice lady with grandkids put up a thread about being sad. Members over there are reading the posts here and feelings are getting hurt.
I don’t think that was anyone’s intentions. I think everything blew up so fast that it is not yet sunk in for many people.
Would it be okay to ask not to make fun of some of the members that have made the forum the social center of their lives? Or at least not in such a way that if they wander over here, it won’t sting them so much on top of everything else.
Peace out.

Rich May 15, 2008 at 3:46 am

Funny, now that almost all vocal dissenters have been banned there are a lot of positive posts, mostly from mods and mini mods. I guess the NW staff didn’t read their history books, censorship of this nature didn’t end so well for Hitler.
Oh and YGDNW, I’m not angry either, I don’t get angry, I just call my sister who a long time ago worked for the DOJ while in law school on anti-trust and corporate issues, and get her to talk to some of her old FBI buddies lol =)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 3:47 am

All I can do is give my opinion on that issue, which I already have.
Peace in.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 3:50 am

The above was posted as a reply to jetskimax.
Jet, I don’t see you as an awful person, fwiw. But I do have a right to my opinion just as you do yours. Please respect that right as I respect yours.
———————————
That’s great news! Thanks for sharing our story with them Rich :)

jetskimax May 15, 2008 at 4:10 am

The double posting happened to me as well. I’m not trying to change your opinion. I have been following this thread carefully as well as the first one and have read all of your posts. You are obviously very intelligent and articulate. I respect your opinions.
I guess all I was asking is to focus on the real culprits in this whole mess, the corporate office and their employees. Otherwise, for some of the members it is almost like getting slapped twice.
The first time by an online gaming site that built up their hopes and disappointed them, the second time by reading cruel words from a stranger online who they have never met.
Burn down the Netwinner HQ, sue them, write your congressman but please don’t ridicule the members still in the forum. They are easy targets. Maybe not as smart as you but, haven’t they lost enough?
I think I know who you are. You have a unique writing style. Let me know if you want my email and we can talk more privately. I have some questions.

Rich May 15, 2008 at 4:13 am

That’s okay YGDNW, earlier I hit the back button to copy a post I had written and gotten an error message on, then instead of reloading to make sure it didn’t post, I had a momentary brain fart and hit submit and of course it posted twice lol At least Becky isn’t ban-happy =)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 4:28 am

LOL Rich.
It is nice to have an open exchange of ideas and differing viewpoints isn’t it?
I run a few special interest forums and am a mod at others. I think Netwinner staff’s heads would spontaenously combust if they saw how we let people express themselves freely without repercussion. Their mods most likely too.
We also have done very few bannings. Those are saved for nutjobs threatening others or spammers and their ilk. To me this place is a happy medium and it’s a nice medium at that. :)

Rich May 15, 2008 at 4:38 am

I agree, people who are threatening others or spamming should be banned. But when Mike asks for opinions, and then they ban based on him not agreeing with the opinions it completely fosters the wrong kind of atmosphere. I’ll admit, when I got banned, I pretty much got banned on purpose – even though my opinion is NW is run by a bunch of criminals I’m not naive enough to think, that by calling AHardison a criminal in a reply to his post, I didn’t deserve banning lol

thecommittee May 15, 2008 at 4:56 am

Thecommittee thinks that certain people who have been rather vocal about who butters their bread may be subtely fishing for people’s Netwinner identities. We would like to remind “our” people that if someone asks you who you were, it may not be because they “have some questions.”
It might be so, or then again, it might not. But it’s best to err on the side of caution if there’s a threat of retaliation.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 5:04 am

Maybe so, Rich. But if Mike and the mods there were truly moderate, they would’ve tried to help you understand their viewpoint and tried to find some common ground with you as well as giving you a few chances before banning you.
What we do at our forums is a progressive warning and banning system. Those who break the rules are given a warning-unless it’s threats or spam, then they’re out right away. If someone persists in breaking the rules, they receive a three-day banning. If they come back and do it again upon returning, a new one-week banning is imposed. This is contingent on the person working on improvement ofcourse. It’s not a blank check. But we do care about our members and want to give them a chance to get along well with other members. Forums where strong opinions are allowed can be like that sometimes with people butting heads.
Our mods also don’t argue with people on the forums. We take appropriate action and deal with the matter through pm’s. This way members don’t feel ganged up on by staff because we would not want them to feel that way and certainly not publicly.
Sometimes people like the common theme of a forum but don’t like something about the site owner (as you didn’t at Netwinner). Doesn’t mean they need to be gone. It means they need a chance to see what is and isn’t cool and then take it from there using our warning and banning system while we communicate with them.
My point is that if Netwinner staff had passed on that they wanted true moderation on their boards, I think things would be a lot different and most if not all of you would still be there. There would be fewer bannings because mods would not be allowed to let their personal feelings rule their actions citing the monkey see, monkey do principle. Staff and mods would be more proactive toward the members. Even those with viewpoints Netwinner doesn’t like.
The above is why I feel that Netwinner’s forum staff should be included in discussions about Netwinner staff as a whole. They are part of the vicious cycle that propogates ill treatment of the members by the Netwinner staff and they don’t seem to mind one bit.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 5:09 am

Forgot to add that even without the latest happenings going on, I’ve felt for a very long time that Netwinner is motivated by ego and greed. My opinion on that is not going to change anytime soon.

Rich May 15, 2008 at 5:15 am

I can’t disagree with anything in your post. In fairness to Mike, although I’m not sure why I should be fair to someone who doesn’t act likewise, he had warned me about “running NW into the ground.” lol
But I certainly think your policy of mods not arguing with members is a better philosophy. A mod, volunteer or otherwise, not only represents a company, but represents that company’s attitude toward customer service. Mike may be a great journalist, as doubtful as I am of that, but he cannot claim any customer service skills. I would say his customer service ranks second to last, only behind the Pizza Hut manager who swore at me on the phone and talked to me as if I was incapable of understanding English, all because I asked who the district manager was so I could file a complaint about one of her employees.
My eyes are drooping now from being up all night lol, so I think I will end this post by saying I could not have stated any better your point that NW doesn’t care about true moderation on their boards. Mike has said many times the equivalent of “these are our toys, you play by our rules or I’m taking my toys and going home.” I once said on the forum that children selling lemonade on the side of the road have a better business model than NW, to repeat Becky’s words, I hate being right.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 5:27 am

LOL
Love your example and statement made on their forum. Nothing wrong with that. As a matter of fact, at any of our forums Mike (or any mod/staff who said that to a member) would be reprimanded for not viewing what you were saying as your frustration with a particular policy in an objective way. Once again, not a blank check but he would be the one in the hot seat in that case, not you. You’d actually be asked to expand on your viewpoint so we could find that common ground or just find out why you’re not happy with the job we’re doing, crazy moderates that we are, LOL.
Goodnight Rich. :)
PS. To thecommittee because I just now saw your post. Sorry about that. Darned eyes.
Don’t worry about me, even though it was kind of you to do so. I have several email addressrd that do not give away any of my personal information and I use them appropriately. At least I think so. =)

jetskimax May 15, 2008 at 5:40 am

I am unhappy that so many members were banned since Monday. I think that there was a very volatile environment and that words were said in haste and anger. I miss talking to some of my buddies that were banned and think that the forum staff should reconsider.
I think that the Netwinner forum is a social site for the members and view it as a seperate entity from the Corporate Netwinner. It is difficult to see the difference sometimes, but it’s there.
Corporate needs to address redemption issues with it’s membership and follow up on it’s obligations. In a perfect world, forum members could remain out of the line of fire. I guess that’s a lot to ask for. :(

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 5:53 am

It’s not difficult to see the difference at all. Being objective is like that.
But the fact remains that in my opinion, the Netwinner staff and the Netwinner mods are so interwoven in their dirty dealings and over reactive behavior towards members they take personal objection to, that the forum and the company act as one and the same. I’ve never seen any reason to believe anything to the contrary and that is just the way I feel about the matter.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 6:03 am

Once again, I forgot to add something I wanted to say. But I’m tired so I do this often late at night, lol.
I’m not trying to convince you Jet that mine is the only viewpoint or that I am “right”. It’s just the correct viewpoint for me from my experience with the place as a whole.
I respect your right to your opinion and hope you can see that. :)

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 8:08 am

As President & COO, I want to take this opportunity to communicate candidly about the current status of our site and our plans for moving forward in 2008 and beyond.
Since the launch of NetWinner in June of 2006, we have had the pleasure of giving away over $1.5 million in cash and prizes to over 20,000 lucky winners. Over that time, we have worked hard to provide new features, new ways to win, and improve our Players’ experience. (Blah, Blah, Blah….)
No, you didn’t give away $1.5 million in prizes… That total is including the hundreds of thousands of members that you screwed over’s prizes as well. Every time someone cashed in their points to get a prize that amount would grow, even though they did not receive their gifts. More decisive lies to the retards dumb enough to stick around and take it bent over backwards.
Your chances of winning a raffle prize at netwinner are that of “pogo.com” do you actually know of anyone who have actually received payment and have proof of it? Keep Dreaming!

Wendy64 May 15, 2008 at 8:09 am

Here’s another thought – I had some referrals who were not aware of the changes…they had been saving their points for a bigger prize, so never cashed out…so they didn’t even get double their points back, nor did they receive the e-mail. That sounds unfair (or would be if the points had any value)

Becky May 15, 2008 at 8:25 am

I wanted to chime in on a couple of points mentioned in the plethora of posts left overnight. Will leave separate posts to break it up.
I also have a family member in law enforcement. He has a bachelor’s in criminal justice, experience as a P.I., and currently works for the Louisiana AG’s office as an investigator. After explaining the NW situation to him as best I could, it was his feeling that, most likely, NW had successfully screwed its members. For it to be fraud, the members would have had to have paid their own money to the company, who then misused it. (I may be mis-explaining this but I think this is basically his rationale.)
He was really impacted by the stories I told him about specific people who were disabled, elderly, or in dire financial straits and who had been ripped off by the company. His opinion was that NW was sleazy and their actions were deplorable, especially considering the degree of loyalty and good faith that their members showed. The honorable thing to do would have been to liquidate and pay their members at least a portion of what was owed, rather than to simply cancel their debt, tell their members “we’re solvent now,” and continue to draw their paychecks.
Keep in mind this is one person’s opinion, after just a casual briefing on the events that transpired at NetWinner. I’m not suggesting that anyone take this as the final word on the matter — he is not a lawyer, just a trained investigator. The NC AG’s office is going to be the final word on this and all concerned parties should continue to pursue all possible avenues of recourse.
If North Carolina had laws against gambling and/or lotteries, the family member told me this would definitely be an avenue to pursue to possibly get the site shut down.

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 8:26 am

You guys need to attack them where they promote their site the most…
youtube duh! They do weekly castings on youtube about netwinner, just spam the crap out of there posts with negative feedback and make a few videos of your own..

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 8:33 am

Bruce, With regards to what I posted here about the forum and my question about the odds going up last nite..It was late and I was unable to continue with what was said to me so here it is:
Mamajenjen posted this reply:
A player posted this poll, not anyone from the forum team.
I am not an employee of Netwinner, and I apologize that I do not have the answers that our players are seeking. I am only here to help in the contest area, and make sure that the forum does not get out of control. I do wish I could help further.
and my response back to her was this:
okay..np that you didnt start the thread or post..actually I didnt know just anyone could start a thread like this. Since I saw you were an administrator I thought you had a good answer to my question. And when I was told to stick with the topic I felt that my question was in line with the topic. So I was just making a statement on how I felt about the issue at hand. Thank You
So Bruce I just wanted to clear up my post..so no one thought I was only posting part of what was said to me..Thanks

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 8:34 am

Becky said:
I wanted to chime in on a couple of points mentioned in the plethora of posts left overnight. Will leave separate posts to break it up.
I also have a family member in law enforcement. He has a bachelor’s in criminal justice, experience as a P.I., and currently works for the Louisiana AG’s office as an investigator. After explaining the NW situation to him as best I could, it was his feeling that, most likely, NW had successfully screwed its members. For it to be fraud, the members would have had to have paid their own money to the company, who then misused it. (I may be mis-explaining this but I think this is basically his rationale.)
He was really impacted by the stories I told him about specific people who were disabled, elderly, or in dire financial straits and who had been ripped off by the company. His opinion was that NW was sleazy and their actions were deplorable, especially considering the degree of loyalty and good faith that their members showed. The honorable thing to do would have been to liquidate and pay their members at least a portion of what was owed, rather than to simply cancel their debt, tell their members “we’re solvent now,” and continue to draw their paychecks.
Keep in mind this is one person’s opinion, after just a casual briefing on the events that transpired at NetWinner. I’m not suggesting that anyone take this as the final word on the matter — he is not a lawyer, just a trained investigator. The NC AG’s office is going to be the final word on this and all concerned parties should continue to pursue all possible avenues of recourse.
If North Carolina had laws against gambling and/or lotteries, the family member told me this would definitely be an avenue to pursue to possibly get the site shut down.
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For some that is the case, NetWinner had sponsor promotions where if you bought something from their sponsor’s then you would be credited points in which people “had the intentions of redeeming cash vouchers” until NetWinner unlawfully broke their agreement to fulfill.

jazzyshell May 15, 2008 at 8:36 am

Hello All,
I have filed my reports with the BBB & AG, has anybody been given any response as to our payments due to our players? Do you really feel they will force them to pay us who filed, or just pass this off? I hope we can get somewhere with this terrible mess NW has created…I had spoken with Just Lee, I miss not seeing her on the forums, she was so correct in her responses, it’s a shame what they have done with loyal players….I don’t post much at all on the forums, just lurk, as I don’t want to be banned, but I’m sure once NW sees I filed the reports, they’ll ban me also :o (
Do you remember back oh, I’ll guess in October 2007, when Mike kept telling us that we should hold onto our points and not cash them in yet, as they were switching to ecount, and that each time you cashed out, you would be charged a 3.00 fee….so we believed him, at least I did, and we held onto cashing out until he said they were starting to get the ecards sent out, I saved up for $100, now had I just cashed out like normal instead of listening to Mike, I would’ve received my money, because that’s when all this stuff started happening….I think NW already knew back then, that they were not going to paying, the ecount was a cover-up to throw the loyal players off, what do you think? Oh, by the way, I’m not using my NW name here or my NW email, so they can’t see who I am, but believe me, I’m peaed off, just as we all are…, to date, lost $175….how about you? Becky, thanks for this forum area for us to chat….talk with you all later…Take care!

ShansGram May 15, 2008 at 8:38 am

I received a form from the Consumer Complaints Dept in the NC Attorney General’s Office and I have to attach any pertinent information I have to it ..one of the things I have to send in is the contract which in this case would be the TOS when I joined. That would be in Feb, 2007. Does anyone possible have a copy of this they could share with me.
Thanks so Much.

ShansGram May 15, 2008 at 8:41 am

Sorry Bruce my post was not meant to be annonymous..I missed the top half of the posting form

knothead May 15, 2008 at 8:44 am

i have been up all night and found some interesting things that i will post later
in response to jet – don’t forget, we all got slapped too — 11 times for me personally, once for every redemption that i had processing for months and months that got reneged on and turned into worthless points
in response to thecommittee (even though i know you were talking to ygdnwaniagw when you said it) — i sure hope they don’t figure out who i am at netwinner

Becky May 15, 2008 at 8:56 am

About NetWinnerCentral — Jetskimax, I have to respectfully disagree with you about this: “I think that the Netwinner forum is a social site for the members and view it as a seperate entity from the Corporate Netwinner. It is difficult to see the difference sometimes, but it’s there.”
The NetWinnerCentral domain is owned by NetWinner’s CTO, Arion Hardison. The forum’s head moderator, Mike, is a paid NetWinner employee. Posts that “bash” (which apparently has much leeway in interpretation) the company in general, its employees, or the moderators (chosen by the company) are not allowed. A company employee decides who is and isn’t allowed to post in the forum. NWC is very clearly just a highly moderated PR extension of the company.
The moderators, who claim to still be there because of the many friends they’ve made, are still representing the company by working there (albeit in an unpaid capacity). The members who lost their cashouts, and those who had enough to cash out but held off thinking they were doing the company a favor and showing good faith that the company would pay them, are not EVER going to be able to respect those moderators as long as they continue to represent NW. Continuing to represent the company is not a sign of friendship.
To maintain the friendships that were started on NWC, ideally SOMEONE should step up and start an independent forum. Those moderators who truly want to stay friends with the members screwed by NetWinner should resign at NWC and be “just members” of the new forum. That way they wouldn’t have to constantly defend NW, which grinds salt into the wounds of the members and face it, it has to be increasingly difficult to do anyway.
Alternatively, an existing forum could open up a sub-forum for Survivors of the NW Fiasco, allowing both the venting going on here at CompareRewards, and the fun and camaraderie that existed before the latest NW changes.
I hope that someone will step up and offer a NWC alternative. NWC had/has some of the most witty, intelligent, and fun members I’ve seen on any forum, and they should have somewhere they can congregate and reconnect as friends.

ann May 15, 2008 at 9:01 am

This is from my relative whose husband is a cop in Georgia:
They, meaning the scammers are pretty good, damn near impressive. Surprises me that they don’t have a better job than scamming people but then again an addition to the scam is that they probably do. Some may be out simply to provide honest fun but most times sadly they are just out to trick someone. Be careful because the real game may be getting your contact list from your computer to scam or steal identities from your contact list.

isitrigged May 15, 2008 at 9:12 am

If you guys are looking for a site that actually does payout it’s members I would recommend Moola. Even if you’ve tried Moola a long time ago and didn’t like it so you left.. I’d recommend coming back, a lot has changed. They have recently added a new game “Charity Cash Cow” a community progressive jackpot slot machine game. They have also added a bank feature so you can enter your money into a savings account instead of risking it. A “Play & Win Wheel”. They got rid of the Search & Win wheel because it was being abused so they added a Play & Win wheel where randomly while your playing the spin wheel will show up and you win what ever the wheel lands on. They’ve added a donate feature so members can donate money to each other. They’ve release the paypal cash out method, so now instead of requesting a check you can cash out with paypal and receive payment instantly after your request has been approved..
It is free to join, free to play, no hidden charges, no scam and no spam.
Click my name if you would like to join.

Becky May 15, 2008 at 9:14 am

To obtain archived copies of NetWinner’s terms of service from September 2006 through March 2007, go to:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.netwinner.com/info/tos
Click on the approximate date that you joined for the version in effect at the time.
The TOS in effect from March through August 2007 is here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070821001254/http://www.netwinner.com/tos.html
There isn’t a cache available for the TOS after August. If someone happened to have taken a screen shot or a copy/paste of it between August and the current one (April 29), please email me at comparerewards@yahoo.com and I’ll update this comment.

Becky May 15, 2008 at 9:55 am

From http://www.nccrimecontrol.org/Index2.cfm?a=000003,000005,000079
“North Carolina law states that it is illegal for any person or organization who operates a game of chance or who plays or bets on any game of chance that involves winning money, property or anything of value shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor. GS 14-292.”
This falls under the jurisdiction of the NC Department of Crime Control & Public Safety, Alcohol Law Enforcement Division. Their contact information is located here: http://www.nccrimecontrol.org/Index2.cfm?a=000003,000005,000290
Also:
Here is the contact information for the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation Computer Crime Unit: http://www.ncsbi.gov/icac/icac_taskforce_computercrimes.jsp

kiarasmamaw May 15, 2008 at 10:01 am

Checked the NWC forum this morning. I can’t believe Mike’s new avatar. He is actually poking fun at us. A pic of a man in a doghouse. You can’t tell me that’s not a slap in the face to us he helped screw. I swear of all that’s going on, for me that avatar is the worse. He thinks this is funny. One good thing. I’ll never have the displeasure of meeting him or other Netwinner thieves, Not even on the otherside. Because we are going to far different places when this old life is over.

Alex May 15, 2008 at 10:09 am

“I also have a family member in law enforcement. He has a bachelor’s in criminal justice, experience as a P.I., and currently works for the Louisiana AG’s office as an investigator. After explaining the NW situation to him as best I could, it was his feeling that, most likely, NW had successfully screwed its members. For it to be fraud, the members would have had to have paid their own money to the company, who then misused it. (I may be mis-explaining this but I think this is basically his rationale.)”
Yes but in this case, netwinner by their TOS says that payment will be 60 days. So after 60 days but that TOS, its technically considered cash. For them to then reverse it back into 2x points would be equivalent of putting money in..no?

linda May 15, 2008 at 10:27 am

well i filed with bbb before all this happened.
when people got paid hush money. since then i have filed
complaints and made calls and i will not stop until they are
shut down, they have scammed enough people with their old
bait and switch tatics. i lost over 375.00$ and 100$ for my hubby.
i am disabled and cannot work, ( in response to get a job! )
i for one counted on this money to help us pay some bills.
of course i realized a long while ago it was not going to happen.
as to the mods at the forum…. i was afraid to post there and when
i did, half the time i went back and deleted it. they are mean
people with no morals for staying. mike is some kind of.. well
something i won’t say cause i am a lady!
come on people pour those complaints in, let them know we will
not take this sitting on our hands anymore!!!

ShansGram May 15, 2008 at 10:28 am

For anyone interested..I just received this letter from the Federal Trade Commission regarding my complaint which I filed against Netwinner to them.
Thank you for contacting the Federal Trade Commission. We entered the information you provided into our shared law enforcement data base. We share this data base with Federal, State and Local law enforcement agencies. Attached is your electronic response, which includes your reference number. Any enclosures can be found at http://www.ftc.gov under Consumer Protection and Consumer Information section.
Information from consumers like you helps Federal, State and Local authorities investigate possible illegal practices and enforce our laws. Someone from the Federal Trade Commission or another law enforcement agency may contact you if they need additional information to help them in an investigation.
Please visit the FTC’s web page, http://www.ftc.gov, to get free information to help you avoid costly consumer problems.
THE LETTER FROM THEM IS AS FOLLOWS:
May 15, 2008
———- Re: FTC Ref. No. 13821828
Dear ——-:
Thank you for recent correspondence. The Federal Trade Commission acts in the public interest to stop business practices that violate the laws it enforces. Letters from consumers and businesses are very important to the work of the Commission. They are often the first indication of a problem in the marketplace and may provide the initial evidence to begin an investigation. The Commission does not resolve individual complaints. The Commission can, however, act when it sees a pattern of possible violations developing.
The information you have provided will be recorded in our complaint retention system. This computerized system enables us to identify questionable business practices that are generating numerous complaints and may be in violation of the law.
Thank you for providing information that may be used to develop or support Commission enforcement initiatives.
Sincerely yours,
Consumer Response Center
PLEASE NOTE I HAVE REMOVED MY HOME ADDRESS AND NAME FROM THIS CORRESPONDENCE FROM THEM.
I urge everyone to file a complaint about Netwinner with them.

some one in the world May 15, 2008 at 10:32 am

all I got to say is that all you people need to GROW UP. no matter how much you complain or whine or whatever netwinner is gonna change what they did. I you don’t like the games anymore dont play i dont play anymore because what they did. If you still play the game then go play. you all talk about doing doing this doing that like its gonna do something when it wont do anything at all. people worried about money that they were supposed to get from a FREE site when people are murdering people and everything else and you call the law enforsement about this seriously just let it go.

some one in the world May 15, 2008 at 10:35 am

sorry about the misspell on that last post the first “is” is supposed be “isn’t”

some one in the world May 15, 2008 at 10:37 am

i need to stop really cant it right the 2nds “is” supposed to be “isnt”

kiarasmamaw May 15, 2008 at 10:43 am

To (Someone in the world) and the reason people murder and keep doing stuff like that is because the DON’T get in trouble when they do wrong. A sin is a sin is a sin. A broken law is a broken law. When a crime is comited and nothing is done………..another crime is comited…DUH!!

some one in the world May 15, 2008 at 10:48 am

the point was that other crime such as murder or something of that nature way more important then this you you did pay to be on the site you did lose money that you had before you played so i mean just get over it. Im upset about it to i had money comming to me but i look at it like i really dint lose money because i never had it.

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 10:55 am

I think alot of the people that are “sticking with” NW are still kinda new, so they are probably either just blind or they are trying to get in good with the staff, etc. thinking that if they just be nice, they will get better treatment. Kinda like being in a secret club or something. They will have to learn from experience just like everyone else. I hate to say it but one day they will be here with us, lamenting their losses and cursing the day they didn’t believe it could happen to them.

kiarasmamaw May 15, 2008 at 10:55 am

Yes but they shouldn’t get to continue as tho nothing happened. I agree other crimes are worse. But if they get away with this a whole new bunch of people will get screwed. We each have our own opinions. I really do respect yours aand you in return should respect mine. Telling us to get over it is rude.

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 10:59 am

Wow the dupe posts are really getting bad. I wonder if it’s something to do with the server? Are we causing it to hiccup or something? :)

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 10:59 am

I would like to compose a factual statement about netwinner to post on any blog I can find, in order to prevent “Newbies” from joining NW and getting scammed like we have. I am not good at composing, but I know that a few of you here are excellent writers. I think it should be short (to avoid boredom) and to the point. Anyone care to start?
If you google netwinner +complaints, there are lots of sites that come up which we could start with. At least it is a start……I for one am concerned that my personal info is now an asset to NW as they are in control of it. One person on the forum asked to be removed from NW and NWC and was told to email support to request this and then the thread was locked. I can still bring up their profile and can even pm them. So, obviously asking to be removed through email is not an option. If I request to be removed from a database, do they not have to comply???

ShansGram May 15, 2008 at 11:01 am

Get over it?? I’m not going to get over it!! I will keep filling out complaint after complaint form if need be..I have plenty of time. If you do the crime..then do the time is and old saying..Netwinner did the Crime !! so they should pay…Just like if the fiddler played they should be paid..we were the fiddlers and they should pay!! Now mosey on back over to the NW Forum and hit SPIN !! You might be missing out on an entry to their daily drawing LOL !!

Ann May 15, 2008 at 11:01 am

We may not have put any money into netwinner but we did put in our time and helped them make money by using their site, playing their games and watching/clicking on ads. Most of us were honest and obeyed their rules and didn’t cheat. We trusted they would be honest and pay us what we earned by doing this. They said do this and that and we will pay you in gift cards. I know if I did my job (yes, I do work outside the home) and I made the company money and they did not pay me I would be mad and fighting to get what I am due. I do not give my job money but I do give them my time and I do what they expect of me to earn my pay.

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 11:02 am

i was not trying to be rude i was just trying to get my point across. i understand what they did is wrong but from what i read people are bashing the mods and calling thier homes and thier family homes that needs to stop im sure they didnt have anything to do with what netwinner itself did. as the mods have said before they are only volonters.

linda May 15, 2008 at 11:02 am

well lets see, if i won money on ANY other site, like pogo or
gamesville and i didn’t pay to play and i won something, like money,
they never have to pay me cause it was free to play??????
i don’t buy that. yes it was free. but i spent a lot of my time
there to win. i hit 25×5000 2 days in a row for what amounted to 250.00$ with the points i had i cashed them in 11/24. after
being told many, many, many times to be patient, it will come,
now it won’t.
so cause its free YOU don’t think they should be made to pay out what is owed??
crazy

kiarasmamaw May 15, 2008 at 11:06 am

Anyone from the Kentuckana are needs to email the wave3 troubleshooter. She may not be able to get a lot done but if enough email her I guarantee it will be on TV. That’s a great way to expose them.

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 11:07 am

This was just posted on the NWC forum Re: Should the banned members get to come back?”
I do believe that another concept here would be…
Do they WANT to come back? I would say that most of them don’t want to come back. They were done wrong and very hurt and angry. How could you think they would want to come back and act like nothing ever happened? Don’t give yourselves that much credit. I really don’t think they miss you all as much as you apparently miss them.
Not trying to be mean or “spam”. Just trying to bring another POV to this discussion.
I say HURRAH to this poster! They are sitting there talking about whether we deserve to come back to their forum??? Oh puh-leeze! If I were banned from there, do you really think I would want to come back? LMBO! Like I would be missing something…really? AHHAHAHA!! That is rich!

Former NW Addict May 15, 2008 at 11:09 am

I can’t believe the above posts. I am sure most people registered to play NW because ” You Play..We Pay”…to earn giftcards, etc. PEROID. So, pls stop the silly comments about well…you did not pay to play, blah blah blah. When will people get this?? geez

Former NW Addict May 15, 2008 at 11:14 am

I can’t believe some of the above posts about “get over this”, etc..
People forget that most if not all when they signed up for NW – ” You Play, We Pay”..to earn giftcards, etc. No need to find excuses…like bashing mods, phoning someone’s grandmother…geez…get back to the point of why people are upset/disappointed. What NW did was sneaky and not right. The website still says…” You Play..We Pay”. geez. NOPE. You Play…We Don’t Pay…

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 11:22 am

here is a bit of info to help stop all the dup posts. if you get the error msg instead of refreshing or going back one page go back to the 1st comparrewards page this will ensure that you do not post 2 times and your post will still seen from everyone. doing this will in turn assist becky and she will be able to use her time with other important issues instead of having to delete duplicate posts.

kiarasmamaw May 15, 2008 at 11:23 am

Bout to get my fanny banned from Netwinner. Oh well. Someone in the forum thinks banned members should get to come back. I appreciate them for caring. But one part says (To err is human to forgive is devine) Netwinner best not try to forgive me for anything. Forgive me??? OMG!!!

kiarasmamaw May 15, 2008 at 11:27 am

Lol Lol Mike locked the post after my comment. I swear I can’t belive them. I just wanted to know what they needed to forgive me for. Being dumb enough to let them screw me. They locked the darn thread.

Former NW Addict May 15, 2008 at 11:31 am

“here is a bit of info to help stop all the dup posts. if you get the error msg instead of refreshing or going back one page go back to the 1st comparrewards page this will ensure that you do not post 2 times and your post will still seen from everyone. doing this will in turn assist becky and she will be able to use her time with other important issues instead of having to delete duplicate posts.”
…thanks for the above info. Will try it. But, I think doing that means you have to find the first page and then scroll down to find the link that was refreshed,etc…and it makes me dizzy doing that. lol Will try it next time I get the internal error msg

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 11:31 am

“all I got to say is that all you people need to GROW UP. no matter how much you complain or whine or whatever netwinner is gonna change what they did. I you don’t like the games anymore dont play”
Well why don’t you follow your own advise – if you don’t like what is being said or that people are complaining don’t read it! NW is a free site that generated money from people who spent there valuable time earning that money for NW. If it weren’t free they would not have been able to get the # of players that they did hence they wouldn’t have made the money they did. The key here is they reached their objective they got the # of players up to bring in the advertisers, these accounts cannot be closed. So all the players that got screwed are still making money for NW but NW doesn’t have to put out any money to them anymore because they managed to get rid of the “baggage”. They lured people in with promises of gift cards and money just for playing, they dangled the carrot for people to “recruit” more people, they appealed to the loyal to click on ads because they needed the support, they were forever promising better things to come. Gosh the more I type the more I think they have studied the same philosophy as some of the best cult leaders – propaganda and persuasion. They care as much about their “members” as the scam artist that knocks on the door of a senior citizen and promises they can help their financial problems disappear.
And for those who think the forums are a seperate nice place to play, well I couldn’t agree with Becky they need to seperate from that idea entirely. It is a site run by someone getting paid to promote their site. Mike knew all along how things were going he repeatedly said I can’t share this information with you or that information I would get fired or that it was “secret”. He isn’t there to be your friend or buddy he is an employee following a company agenda. I am not saying he did not form friendships I am just saying the minute he started recieving a paycheck is the minute his purpose at the site was clearly defined. For the “volunteer” mods etc well lets just say how do you thinks those elderly woman would feel if they knew the mods were coming here saying that people were a bunch of losers for sitting around playing netwinner and expecting to get anything out of it. Caring no – defensive and degrading yes! There are plenty of sites out there that have raffles etc but they are honest about what they offer and what to expect from them. Netwinner set out to bring in as many people as quickly as they could and when they established a strong enough # they cut the bait and now they can sit back and watch the money come in without having to put any out. It was a very deceptive way to go about it and they don’t deserve to reap the rewards when they screwed all the people that helped get them there!
So “someone out in the world” You need to “grow up” and realize the only way control injustices in the world is to hold people accountable for their actions whether it be something as serious as murder or as you see “petty” as a scam. NW should be shut down
Did you ever see people with signs “Will work for food”? Well I saw it as “Will work for gift cards” Because I saw an ad out there basically saying we will PAY you for your time in the form of gift cards and it will be an easy job – boring, time consuming but easy. And hey I took the job and they made their money and I showed up for work daily and was a good employee but never got my paycheck!!!

Wendy64 May 15, 2008 at 11:34 am

This morning I decided to call the RCMP. Quite frankly I was afraid that they would poo poo my concern, but in fact the reverse is true. I have an e-mail string asking me for 2 government issued id’s, my response, and query as to why, their assuring me it was a random check in order to process payment, my confirmation that it was sent, an e-mail asking me to clarify the number on my driver’s licence, and finally my response that I would not be sending that info – they had my name and adress. This was a blatant attempt to acquire my personal information, and I wonder to what end? I have forwarded it to the RCMP fraud division, and they asked me to call back next week. Interestingly, NW has probably destroyed all of this communication, which, in Canada is very suspicious. The e-mail, from mid April confirms their promise to pay upon receipt of my information. I also included screen shots where we were told in NWC, we could block out any personal #s. I do hope that they are reading this…just remember NW , be patient — you will get what you deserve – isn’t it fun to wait to see what you are going to be getting. And, keep spinning (pun intended) — BTW, here is another name — this is the “lady” with whom I communicated: Irma.Wolfe@netwinner.com
I also mentioned that the money was a moot point for me. I donated the cards to the local women’s shelter, so I am not seeking financial damages, and my goal was to criminally punish these people, so that the less fortunate people could move on to legitimate sites, if earning personal money is their goal. Just a thought, I think we have to emphasize that we are not asking them to chase a couple of hundred dollars, but get to the nucleus of the problem which is fraudulent internet activity.

bruce May 15, 2008 at 11:35 am

i love netwinner.com
where else in the united states can you find a company that will cheat people out of hundreds of thousands of dollars. would of at least like a kiss afterwards. and now with all the mods blocking post and banning people for posting their thoughts. if for no other reason i would leave netwinner for stealing people freedom of speech. for that alone anyone who is from the U.S.A should walk away from that site. but i know there are a few people that are loyal. but look at it this way people even a dog that has been beaten by its master is loyal afterwards. that is because the dog can not survive without its master. so sort of make a person wonder why a beaten person would stay with a company that has treated them with the same sort of action as that dogs master? here fido fetch good doggie

Anon May 15, 2008 at 11:37 am

qoute someone in the world
“all I got to say is that all you people need to GROW UP. no matter how much you complain or whine or whatever netwinner is gonna change what they did. I you don’t like the games anymore dont play”
Well why don’t you follow your own advise – if you don’t like what is being said or that people are complaining don’t read it! NW is a free site that generated money from people who spent there valuable time earning that money for NW. If it weren’t free they would not have been able to get the # of players that they did hence they wouldn’t have made the money they did. The key here is they reached their objective they got the # of players up to bring in the advertisers, these accounts cannot be closed. So all the players that got screwed are still making money for NW but NW doesn’t have to put out any money to them anymore because they managed to get rid of the “baggage”. They lured people in with promises of gift cards and money just for playing, they dangled the carrot for people to “recruit” more people, they appealed to the loyal to click on ads because they needed the support, they were forever promising better things to come. Gosh the more I type the more I think they have studied the same philosophy as some of the best cult leaders – propaganda and persuasion. They care as much about their “members” as the scam artist that knocks on the door of a senior citizen and promises they can help their financial problems disappear.
And for those who think the forums are a seperate nice place to play, well I couldn’t agree with Becky they need to seperate from that idea entirely. It is a site run by someone getting paid to promote their site. Mike knew all along how things were going he repeatedly said I can’t share this information with you or that information I would get fired or that it was “secret”. He isn’t there to be your friend or buddy he is an employee following a company agenda. I am not saying he did not form friendships I am just saying the minute he started recieving a paycheck is the minute his purpose at the site was clearly defined. For the “volunteer” mods etc well lets just say how do you thinks those elderly woman would feel if they knew the mods were coming here saying that people were a bunch of losers for sitting around playing netwinner and expecting to get anything out of it. Caring no – defensive and degrading yes! There are plenty of sites out there that have raffles etc but they are honest about what they offer and what to expect from them. Netwinner set out to bring in as many people as quickly as they could and when they established a strong enough # they cut the bait and now they can sit back and watch the money come in without having to put any out. It was a very deceptive way to go about it and they don’t deserve to reap the rewards when they screwed all the people that helped get them there!
So “someone out in the world” You need to “grow up” and realize the only way control injustices in the world is to hold people accountable for their actions whether it be something as serious as murder or as you see “petty” as a scam. NW should be shut down
Did you ever see people with signs “Will work for food”? Well I saw it as “Will work for gift cards” Because I saw an ad out there basically saying we will PAY you for your time in the form of gift cards and it will be an easy job – boring, time consuming but easy. And hey I took the job and they made their money and I showed up for work daily and was a good employee but never got my paycheck!!!

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 11:43 am

Posted by: kiarasmamaw
Date: May 15, 2008 11:27 AM
Lol Lol Mike locked the post after my comment. I swear I can’t belive them. I just wanted to know what they needed to forgive me for. Being dumb enough to let them screw me. They locked the darn thread.
Yea I saw the reply someone gave about Becky telling them to stop doing it (posting as him) and they did stop. They asked him to prove where they continued posting as him after she said to stop. I believe that is probably why the thread got locked. He couldn’t prove they kept doing it after she told them not to. In other words, we have more class than he (or his mods) do and he couldn’t deal with it. :)

kiarasmamaw May 15, 2008 at 11:43 am

Wow bruce…that sums it up! Great post!!

linda May 15, 2008 at 11:46 am

wendy…wtg u go girl !!!!
bruce…couldn’t have said it better myself!

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 11:52 am

Sorry for the dups I was trying to get out without refreshing because I was afraid of repost SO Sorry

bruce May 15, 2008 at 11:57 am

just how i view those that continue to support netwinner after they would treat each and every person that made them that sort of money.all it is is greed. and for those that still support you will sooner or later relize that the people of netwinner are not here to help you and given the chance they will do the same again. and then what will you do hmmmm will you still support them. one day you will wake up go to log into your account and maybe then you will see that they do not care about you when you are unable to log in because netwinner decided to up and move their scam elsewhere under a different name. but don’t worry i am sure they will send you a spam letter letting you know about a new honest site that pays you to watch ads and play games and knowing you as i do so well you will take the bait hook line and sinker.
oh and as a after thought whoever the ski person was here is a answer ( at least on my part) as to why people would attack the mods.
see i myself am disabled and there fore can not get out much and when i see a mod come in here and post in the shadows and tell everyone to get a life and stop whinning i get mad. that is the one thing about netwinner that has ever bothered me and that is the way the members are treated. i have never met any group of people with less cooth than that of the mods of netwinner. on my very first day in the chat room at netwinner i saw one of the mods make a statement about how it would be nice if they could limit access to the chatroom to certain people( at the time i did not even know this person was a mod) so i made a comment about i thought that was a rude comment to make and from then on as told by a few of my friends who came to netwinner along with me would tell me of the rude comments this mod would make each and everytime i left the chat. so you want to know why we would attack the mods well i do not see it as attacking the mods i see it as counter-attacking them.

knothead May 15, 2008 at 12:09 pm

in response to ‘some one in the world’ – the agencies that handle this type of crime are not the ones that would be out catching murderers anyway, they are there to police this type of crime…fraud and illegal business practices etc
i am sure there are already hundreds if not thousands of complaints filed against netwinner with a bunch of different places not to mention all of the blogs and forums and websites that have postings letting everyone know what nw has done
also several if not many tv news stations and talk shows have been notified, this is a huge snowball that will not quit rolling, i am just waiting for someone to contact 60 minutes or dateline or bill o’reilly or somebody that will look into this and do a story on it, if the numbers nw boasted are to be believed there are hundreds of thousands of victims of this crime and it will not be swept under the rug
they redeemed our points and repeatedly told us that our money (cards) were on the way and came up with all kinds of reasons for the delays all the while insisting that we would be paid and to just have patience with them and faith in them and we held up our end of the bargain
i am not too proud to admit that i need my money pretty badly as i am sure everyone does with the economy the way it is, even if it was for luxuries rather than necessities, everyone had plans for the money that they earned fair and square, if the money was not there as an incentive i would never have spent all that time playing those lame games and clicking on ads as they encouraged us to do over and over again, they even had us signing up for offers from advertisers that we had no interest in to get extra points and vip status which is another crime if i am not mistaken
oh, a couple of interesting things i found while nosing around in forum last night -
of the 1545 posts that mjp65 made in nw forum a total of 916 of them have been deleted, there are only 629 left (the archive keeps the original total number showing and the pages do not condense as the posts are removed, originally there are 30 posts on each page, some of his pages were completely blank, some had only 2 or 3 posts left on them and i only found one page of the 52 original pages that still had 30 entries on it), oh, and by the way, a whole lot of what was left of his were tb contests, video postings, or in the positive/negative threads
of the 2344 posts that hardtimer made in nw forum a total of 1649 posts had been deleted leaving only 695 (and remember she is a contest mod so a whole lot of her remaining posts were contests, closed contests, winner announcements, etc, of her 79 pages of archives i did not find a single page where there were less than 7 posts deleted, and 55 of her pages had 10 posts or less left out of the 30 original
i thought well maybe a lot of them were just so old they got thrown out because of that but then i remembered that this forum just started in january of this year, so i looked at a couple of other forum members that had a lot of posts and clicked on 8 or 10 of their post archive pages at random and i never found any page with more than 2 or 3 posts missing for them
i thought it was interesting but i ran out of energy after doing those so i did not look at any others

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 12:23 pm

Yea they like to remove posts/threads that make them look either nasty or stupid. They do, however, tend to leave the ones that make them look like shining examples of society, angels, etc. Which I guess I can understand because, well, who would want to make themselves look stupid, right? I am actually surprised there are than many of HT’s posts left, tbh.
Mike tends to step his foot directly into his mouth alot. And he doesn’t even know it unless his bosses tell him or someone else points it out. I guess that is why he modifies them alot.

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 12:27 pm

Hello all
I to was cheated so I know how you feel. My sister is an attorney in the state of Missouri and I called her last night just to get her opinion on this, she told me some interesting things. I thought I would share.
1. They’re LLC which is in place to protect them from being personally responsible for business debts. Well when the company is frauding people they can be held personally responsible and we may be able to go after they’re assets both company and officers personal assets.
2. The BBB has no authority to do anything other than take complaints and keep them on file.
3. States Attorney General, Federal Prosecutor, District Attorney are the folks that do have the authority to prosecute.
If anyone has the name address and phone number Please let us know so we can start with them. My sister also told me sometimes to get anything done you have to keep bothering the above mentioned people until it becomes a Pain in their A** or until enough people file a complaint.
I am sure most of you know this just thought if you did not I would let you know.
Good luck to all of us, I for one am not going to let this drop!!!!

Becky May 15, 2008 at 12:40 pm

Wendy: Can you please post a comment or email me (comparerewards@yahoo.com) and let me know who you spoke with at RCMP or how to contact them? I’m updating my action-item blog and want to provide as much info for my Canadian friends as possible…thanks!
BTW, Knothead: Excellent investigation work, my friend! VERY interesting (though not surprising) findings!

thecommittee May 15, 2008 at 12:51 pm

One of the reasons these types of questionable enterprises are so successful is because people tend to react much the same each time they’re scammed. They look for something else to take it’s place. Let’s address a couple of issues brought up recently:
1. SUBSTITION – Signing up at other sites may fill the void, but the most important thing we can all take away from this is that, to prevent ourselves from becoming victims once again, we need to be much more diligent in the future with our financial dealings.
Remember how many people were praising Netwinner during its intial promotional campaign? At that time they were paying, they seemed trustworthy, they appeared to be professional and legitimate. We failed to protect ourselves when we accepted Terms of Service which were not condusive to fair play. Many of these online pay or game site contracts contain statements such as, “This agreement may be altered, modified or changed at any time, for any reason and without warning. If you disagree, your only recourse is to terminate agreement, forfeiting all winnings…”, etc.
We have a responsibility to ourselves first and then, if we intend to recruit others, we also have a responsibility to the general public to exercise prudence in our affiliations. A court could argue that, by joining and using the service, we accepted and agreed to be bound by the contract which was clearly self-serving from the start.
Why do shady companies exist? They know we’ll flock to them, and then we’ll help propogate whatever the latest, greatest novelty is. We prove it time and time again. Even now, people are pushing other sites on current and former Netwinner members. We keep making the same mistakes over and over expecting a different result.
Why doesn’t the government shut these kinds of scams down? They don’t have the manpower or resources to investigate each reported incident. The government is more than willing to do its part by educating people, and by prosecuting the more serious cases, but they will not protect us from ourselves. We will always be at high rish of getting scammed if we continue to make poor choices. Learn from this. Take the same attitude our dear Becky has, investigate the company. Be diligent.
2. THE FORUM: NetwinnerCentral is an element of “the service” as described in the Terms of Service. There is an entire section dedicated to explaining what our duties and responsibilities are when using the community forum. It is an integral part of the company. Interestingly, it does fail to disclose whether or not forum moderators and/or administrators are included in the following exceptions:
“Principals, employees, contractors, agents, respective parents, affiliates, subsidiaries, successors, and assignees of Company, its advertising agencies, companies involved in any sweepstakes or promotion, as well as family and household members of same, shall be ineligible to participate in any sweepstakes or promotion or otherwise use the Service and shall be ineligible to win any points or prize offered.”

linda May 15, 2008 at 12:53 pm

Wendy Blythe Warner’s Experience
*
Marketing & Promotions Director
NetWinner.com
(Privately Held; 11-50 employees; Marketing and Advertising industry)
October 2007 — Present (8 months)
NetWinner, a leisure gaming site, provides a unique advertising vehicle based on a new, companion advertising model where video advertisements are a natural companion to the game experience, not a potential disruption. The companion advertising model is coupled with the frequency of active roll, a marked improvement to the reach of traditional pre-roll video models.
This is the perfect vehicle for any publisher’s site looking to increase site traffic, have viewers spend more time with your brand and add an additional revenue vehicle for your site through our custom or promo game models.
i found this ,what a load of crap, what happened to them only
having 3 employees? everything they say are LIES.

joanna May 15, 2008 at 1:34 pm

has everyone contacted the BBB? There should be a direct link to the BBB complaint form in the blog entry.

SOMEONE May 15, 2008 at 1:56 pm

NetWinner LLC
Phone: 704-904-8849
Fax:
1427 South Blvd. Suite 200
Charlotte, North Carolina, 28203-4261
U.S.A.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Becky May 15, 2008 at 2:04 pm

- – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – -
COMPLAINT CONTACTS
- – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – -
http://comparerewards.blogspot.com/
Includes links to AG’s office, Charlotte media, BBB, FTC. Updating is in progress to include advertisers and Canadian resources.

linda May 15, 2008 at 2:13 pm

thank you for all you are doing to help us!
received emails back from bbb and internet fraud site.
called that television station, had to leave a message.
contacted our local newspaper, they have a little do line
where they try to work out disputes and get them resolved for you.

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 2:17 pm

For anyone that wants to see the NW forum, they have now closed membership to new members. They are requiring that people send an email to netwinnercentral@gmail.com. Ok something tells me there is a sneaky plan behind this change. Just can’t figure out what it is. Beside the fact that the addres is NOT to netwinner.com or something like that, it is a GMAIL addy..hmm…

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 2:18 pm

netwinnercentral@gmail.com is a dummy address used by Shelly, one of their mods.

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 2:21 pm

See I thought I had seen it before. They are trying to weed out the spys I guess..LOL!

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 2:22 pm

Edited to add that I think anyone that emails that addy should be VERY careful what they say. Remember, anything you say can be used against you, and it cannot be taken back once you click “send”.

Alex May 15, 2008 at 2:27 pm

“the point was that other crime such as murder or something of that nature way more important then this you you did pay to be on the site you did lose money that you had before you played so i mean just get over it. Im upset about it to i had money comming to me but i look at it like i really dint lose money because i never had it.”
Wow your right..I should probably stop paying taxes now and everything..since murder is the only problem in the ENTIRE world. Each crime has its penalty. The DA and BBB don’t usually handle murders(im sure the BBB doesn’t at least). The DA is payed to do their job, this falls under that jurisdiction. Netwinner is a Free site sure..but so is contacting the DA, so what is the difference between spending time doing netwinner or with filing a DA complaint?
Its not about the money, its about setting an example. So that future sites will know that if they do things like this, they will be punished to full extent of the law. If you let this go now, and they don’t suffer anything, I may just start a second netwinner..common free million dollars I can easily scam out right? and no one will punish me. (not that I personally am gonna do it, but others might)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 2:29 pm

” Posted by: Becky
Date: May 15, 2008 9:14 AM
To obtain archived copies of NetWinner’s terms of service from September 2006 through March 2007, go to:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.netwinner.com/info/tos
Click on the approximate date that you joined for the version in effect at the time.
The TOS in effect from March through August 2007 is here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070821001254/http://www.netwinner.com/tos.html
There isn’t a cache available for the TOS after August. If someone happened to have taken a screen shot or a copy/paste of it between August and the current one (April 29), please email me at comparerewards@yahoo.com and I’ll update this comment.”
Don’t you just love the web archive? Yeah, me too. =)
I urge everyone who’s filed a complaint with the BBB to follow the link in the email you received from them to update your complaint by adding links to the TOS agreements to your complaint. The last link was in effect up until the recent changes with some minor revisions of only payout window times from 60 to 90 days. Other than that, it was the same. If Netwinner attempts to submit a fraudulent TOS agreement supposedly in effect to the BBB without mention of expected payment information, that is easily disputed by the inclusion of your confirmation emails which also show that payment was agreed upon and expected by both parties.
Ok, I’m off to have that surgery. Good luck everyone. I’m rooting for us! :)

whysue1 May 15, 2008 at 2:38 pm

HMMMMMMM……my ecount cards are back on my prize list and all say approved……..

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 2:38 pm

OK according to MJP, someone just called the player’s (cufdaddy) gramma and apologized for calling her. Hmm..yea um, yea.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 2:39 pm

I added the TOS information from Becky’s links above to my original complaint at the BBB. I urge everyone else to do the same (along with your confirmation emails if you’ve not already provided those).
Off to the hospital I go. Good luck everyone. I’m pulling for us! :)

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 2:39 pm

Did you complain overly loudly? LOL!

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 2:42 pm

” Posted by: Anonymous
Date: May 15, 2008 2:38 PM
OK according to MJP, someone just called the player’s (cufdaddy) gramma and apologized for calling her. Hmm..yea um, yea.

Hahahaha!
Ok, off I go. I can only procrastinate today’s events for so long, LOL.

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 2:43 pm

Good luck! Hope everything comes out ok :)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 15, 2008 at 2:45 pm

” Posted by: Anonymous
Date: May 15, 2008 2:39 PM
Did you complain overly loudly? LOL!

Naturally. ;)
Ok, I’m a bad one for still sitting here. Stop being so funny people! It’s hard for me to resist you!
*Runs away from computer to avoid seeing anything else that will keep me planted in my seat instead of going where I should be.
Bye! for now. :)

whysue1 May 15, 2008 at 2:48 pm

They are trying to find out what is happening

bruce May 15, 2008 at 2:59 pm

here is a thought for all to ponder. i have seen various comments about it did not cost you anything to play. that it was free. and i have thought about this and i decided it is a false statement. like a lot of companies that pay people to process stuff from home they normally pay higher for this due to what the company saves. ie who do you think pays for the electric needed to operate a computer to process that stuff. the person who is doing the processing thats who. so when netwinner and their mods say it did not cost you anything they would be wrong. each and every person that played the games did so because they were told they would be paid a certain amount for processing certain data from their computers. that data is bills or advertisements for payment it is still processed through your computer and on your dime. so for the mods who come here and try and tell us it did not cost us anything please before you open your mouth try and know what you say before you say it. seeing that i have paid well over the $10 that netwinner saw to put in their t.o.s i am fronting the bill along with every other member who has viewed their ads and in doing so i have worked for the company as a sub-contractor. i may not have had taxes taken out and that would be why netwinner issued a 1099 instead of the form for winnings which any gaming business is required to issue. in my belief the reason the company did not issue a w-g2 is because they would then be required to withhold taxes( at least in the united states) so with that action of issuing a 1099 instead of a w-g2 form netwinner admitted ( even if they did not intend to ) that each and every person that has played their games and watched their ads in doing so was/are sub-contractors and in being sub-contractors are entitled to the amount that was agreed apon when the task was performed. i know netwinner will not change their minds ( at least i am hoping they will not) and that is fine with me because i really would like to see them stopped from ever doing this again

indivisible (with liberty and justice) May 15, 2008 at 3:30 pm

Interesting whysue1…..I just checked mine and there has been nothing restored!! Just out of curiosity, were yours approved before they took them away?

bruce May 15, 2008 at 3:33 pm

omg i just opened my netwinner account and saw this.
Source
Date
Prize
Status
Prize Redemption 03/02/2008 Ecount Card ($25) Approved
Prize Redemption 02/16/2008 Ecount Card ($25) Approved
Prize Redemption 02/08/2008 Ecount Card ($25) Approved
Prize Redemption 02/05/2008 Ecount Card ($25) Approved
Prize Redemption 01/29/2008 Ecount Card ($25) Approved
Prize Redemption 01/20/2008 Ecount Card ($25) Approved
Prize Redemption 01/06/2008 Ecount Card ($25) Approved
Prize Redemption 12/15/2007 Ecount Card ($100) Approved
Prize Redemption 12/06/2007 Ecount Card ($25) Approved
Prize Redemption 11/25/2007 Ecount Card ($25) Approved
Prize Redemption 11/15/2007 Ecount Card ($25) Approved

whysue1 May 15, 2008 at 3:34 pm

no…….my points didn’t change once these all went approved, so far it has happened to one other person that we know of

whysue1 May 15, 2008 at 3:37 pm

Prize Redemption 04/02/2008 Ecount Card ($25) Approved
Prize Redemption 02/21/2008 Ecount Card ($25) Approved
Prize Redemption 02/11/2008 Ecount Card ($25) Approved
Prize Redemption 01/24/2008 Ecount Card ($50) Approved
Prize Redemption 01/17/2008 Ecount Card ($25) Approved
Prize Redemption 01/09/2008 Ecount Card ($25) Approved
Prize Redemption 01/03/2008 Ecount Card ($25) Approved
Prize Redemption 12/28/2007 Ecount Card ($25) Approved
Prize Redemption 12/21/2007 Ecount Card ($25) Approved
Prize Redemption 12/15/2007 Ecount Card ($25) Approved
Prize Redemption 12/09/2007 Ecount Card ($25) Approved
Prize Redemption 12/03/2007 Ecount Card ($25) Approved
Prize Redemption 11/24/2007 Ecount Card ($25) Approved
Prize Redemption 11/14/2007 Ecount Card ($25) Fulfilled
Prize Redemption 11/02/2007 Ecount Card ($25) Fulfilled

Tinkertoo (not BANNED here) May 15, 2008 at 3:42 pm

Hi Becky — Here is the information for Canadians:
phonebusters.com is the RCMPs internet fraud division.
They will direct you to: http://www.recol.ca
WELCOME to RECOL
Reporting Economic Crime Online (RECOL) is an initiative that involves an integrated partnership between International, Federal and Provincial Law Enforcement agencies, as well as, with regulators and private commercial organizations that have a legitimate investigative interest in receiving a copy of complaints of economic crime.
USER CONTROLLED CONSENT is required to direct fraud complaints to the appropriate law enforcement and regulatory agencies.
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Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 3:51 pm

I dunno. Seems kinda fishy to me. Why would they all of a sudden start paying up? Not meant twards you, whysue, Im just real curious. Methinks they are perhaps feeling some type of warmth on their little tootsies?

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 3:53 pm

Orrrr maybe they are feeling the long arm of the law at their backs?

Jaymie May 15, 2008 at 3:53 pm

nothing has changed on mine, I wonder if it’s just a glitch, kinda hard for them to have a change of heart (and pay everyone) when they have no heart to begin with.

Rich May 15, 2008 at 3:55 pm

They aren’t paying everyone though, mine and my wife’s are all still blank under prize redemptions.

Rich May 15, 2008 at 3:58 pm

Has anyone seen the latest e-mail from Netwinner? They are now doing a special money wheel to win a $250 Amazon.com shopping spree. I for one, will not be participating. I do not feel like wasting my time for them to weasel out of paying if by some miracle I actually won the prize. (again)

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 3:59 pm

I really don’t think it’s a glitch. Has to be either some kinda publicity thing, they feel threatened by something, or they are actually gonna pay a random number of people so that they can maybe win them back. I don’t know as I am not them, but I also doubt they are having a change of heart. There is definately an alterior motive here somewhere.

Aaron May 15, 2008 at 3:59 pm

Heyas folks. Just got caught up on all the posts. Alot I could say but I’ll just do one for now.
The reason the Mods and Mike deserve all the crap coming down on them now.
1> Abuse of anyone who had anything negative to say about NW (this also caused many of us like myself to never post ANYTHING untill black monday.
2> Mike and his goons and come over here, degrade us, lie about grannies getting harrased and deny Hush money payments being made.
3> They then ban and deleate posts at a furious pace while still singing how great NW is and calling us the bad people for wanting what they owe us.
4> Accidently admit to Hush money then try to cover it up again.
5> None of these obviously paid off mods are quitting because they are greedy and delusional as NW itself. Mods, you have decided to stay representatives of a company that is fraudulent and decietful. The fact you stay with them means YOU ARE FRAUDULENT AND DECIETFUL. You are still helping to perpetuate that fraud. BTW this now also means you are culpable for those crimes as well.
My biggest pondering at this point is. Which of you get to be MIkes personal butt buddy in prison?

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 4:00 pm

The one they are handing out is support@netwinner.com

bruce May 15, 2008 at 4:00 pm

i would like to take this time to inform netwinner tho seeing that i am honest that they have however failed to remove the points namely 700,000 that they added to my account. i do not want the points i did not earn them therefore if netwinner intends to pay me the funds owed to me i am asking the points that had been added in the past 3 days be removed.

acsfl May 15, 2008 at 4:07 pm

I just checked my account and nothing has changed and my prizes are still gone. The cruddy part is I never saved the info, so I have no proof of what I cashed out for.
Someone will have to tell us if anything gets posted on NWC about prizes showing approved.
I love that they shutdown the forum for new members and you now have to email….. things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm.

Rich May 15, 2008 at 4:08 pm

Aaron,
I doubt any of the mods will be Mike’s boyfriend in prison, they are not going to “White Collar Resort” prison, they are going to “Federal Pound Me in the You-Know-What” prison. There, I’m sure Mike will be taken by a 500 lb. convicted murderer named Hatchet Joe, and he will have 30 years to life to think about everyone he has screwed over.

bruce May 15, 2008 at 4:09 pm

i want to go on record right now saying if netwinner intends to pay me what i am owed then fine. i also wish to inform them if this is the case then they also need to remove the 700,000 points from my account they added in the past few days. i am honest and do not want anything i did not honestly earn. i myself try and play as honest as anyone can and do not want any ill gotten points so netwinner if your intensions are to pay the above prizes then thanks. you can have the 700,000 points that are your back i did not earn them playing and do not want them for this reason.

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 4:15 pm

OK now he is blaming the dissapearance of threads on US…the “attackers”…LMBO!!!!!!!!!!

Aaron May 15, 2008 at 4:17 pm

I havn’t touched the points either, they can raffle those off LOL.
I checked my account tho and I don’t have any prizes back and don’t expect to see them now.

bruce May 15, 2008 at 4:20 pm

if they do intend to pay everyone it may take time because they are having to adjust each account by hand i think. i noticed that my $100 circuit citty card has been changed to a ecount so could be that it will take some time to edit everyone account this way .

Karen May 15, 2008 at 4:26 pm

whysue & Bruce, and anyone else who had their prizes restored:
What steps did you take to complain about the situation
just the BBB? or others? Just curious, ’cause I only went the ‘BBB’ route…
thanks

bruce May 15, 2008 at 4:27 pm

poof they are all gone again now. just showing 3 that were already fulfilled.

bruce May 15, 2008 at 4:30 pm

will not post anymore about getting them back unless they actually turn up on my ecount card. do not want to give people false hope.

bruce May 15, 2008 at 4:34 pm

quick thought everyone.
i may have already blown it but if you have not yet looked then do not . this could be a ploy to get everyone to open the site and access their account.

Jaymie May 15, 2008 at 4:38 pm

I thought of that too Bruce after the fact :(

whysue1 May 15, 2008 at 4:40 pm

Poof…..gone………didn’t play the game so nothing is blown

Anonymous May 15, 2008 at 4:42 pm

Ok dumb question..why? I mean, why do they want everyone to access their accounts?
(I have a feeling I will find out the answer soon enough. I already checked mine *sniff*)

Aaron May 15, 2008 at 4:44 pm

Ya, but if you do see them listed there make sure to Screen shot them if you hadn’t before the first erasing.

bruce May 15, 2008 at 4:46 pm

i am not sure how their terms would be construed in a court of law. but it seems that having one section state that inactivity would be ground for termination and then having another section state that accessing the site would constitute that you agree with any new terms. if i am not mistaken you can not havve both of these in the same contract doing so would in form constitute extortion. ie either you agree with our changes or you get your account and all that is owed to you canceled. perhaps thecommittie could check this one out.

Aaron May 15, 2008 at 4:55 pm

I didn’t play the game, I only checked the status of my account and I’ll never use the points for raffles. I’ve already stated to the company I don’t agree with the new terms and never will. My complaint to the BBB says they broke an agreement retroactivly. If they then try to claim I willingly agree to the new terms because I checked the status of my account for legal reasons I don’t think it’d hold up.

shellkate May 15, 2008 at 4:56 pm

After checking my account I found the 100.00 ecount hush money card removed…. too bad for Netloser I have screen shots and other proof it was there….Makes me wanna sing the theme song to Cops…Bad boys whatcha gonna do ……… fools been editing posts and eraseing them for days there a post by mjp65 saying that its pissed played destroying the forumn yeah right like we can or would aLL GO EDIT OUR POSTS…..What a Crock!

bruce May 15, 2008 at 5:00 pm

did you get a screenshot. i did at least that worked in my favor now i have them showing all approved instead of just processing. wonder how much more evidence i can get from them.

whysue1 May 15, 2008 at 5:08 pm

I definitely got a shot of it……wow, this folder is getting big,lol

luvhockey May 15, 2008 at 5:31 pm

my acct kept saying processing up until the last time I checked it a few days ago. Now there is nothing there and the pts weren’t doubled either. I’m hurt and feel left out. I only got one shaft instead of the doubling shaft like ya’ll. I’m really hurt!

dollphyn May 15, 2008 at 5:31 pm

I just noticed over at NW central how most of the negative threads are being removed and mysteriously disappearing – This just cracks me up how he thinks he is being so sly – he’s about one french fry short of a Happy Meal..glad I have a whole folder filled with screenshot…..

Aaron May 15, 2008 at 5:36 pm

To the NW owners who read this. Your chances of avoiding prison are fading quickly. You know what the right thing to do is. Your company is dead no matter what.
To the Advertizers. You have been ripped off as well and are continuing to be. As buisness partners with contracts you have many legal avenues open to you to pursue justice. I believe if you have paid for services that are not delivered in they manner agreed to you can immediatly file an injunction on NW and a lean for recovery of losses. This would then freeze all assests of NW untill the issue is resolved legally.
NW is not removing accounts of even people who have asked. Thus they continue to pad thier numbers including the stated “Amount won by players” and offer no way to close your account from the site itself.
To those who still play NW thinking they will recieve anything. Well your just stupid.
To the Mods who claim they don’t get paid. Either liars or very stupid.
To Mike. My god man, you have the ethics of a 3rd world dictator. BTW I wasn’t stalking you on NWC before you banned me. I was replying to new posts from anyone making a post good or bad. You posted alot then so did I. I didn’t say anything in those posts untrue. You on the otherhand are a Liar and a cheat. We are not running you into the ground, NW is managing to do that very well on it’s own.
To Cuffpuke. My time is valuable to me. In exchange for my time I helped NW make money and as part of that agreement they would pay me for playing. The ripped me off along with thousands of others. When you come in here and tell us to “get a life” and thinking you’d do it annon. and got caught at that so you go make up some BS story about how granny got harrased and it must be us! THE NERVE.
Other mods who claim they are staying for the Forum community. You guys are Ego maniacs who must crave authority at any level. Soon will just be you and the other mods praising each other on what a fun place it is as the threads go dead.
To those posting here and Especially Becky, Rich, YGDNW, Bruce..others. I’m completly impressed by you folks.

bruce May 15, 2008 at 5:40 pm

i just updated my complaing with http://complaint.ic3.gov i informed them of the house cleaning going on as well as the update to my account then the deletion of it again. the ic3 deals solely with computer crimes and white collar crimes. it is a section of three different federal criminal departments that only focus is crimes of these sorts. would more than likly be best to file complaint with this site above any of the others. contacting the BBB is good but they really have no power other than that of a mediator. and they can inform others of what to ecxpect from any company but if you want action i would suggest the ic3…..

dollphyn May 15, 2008 at 5:45 pm

Thanks Bruce..you and others are doing a great job in posting…alot of people did not know where to go or who to turn to…but with your help and others everyone will be able to now – I appreciate it

bruce May 15, 2008 at 5:47 pm

your welcome anything to help netwinner get what they so rightfully deserve

acsfl May 15, 2008 at 5:51 pm

This just keeps getting better and better by the minute. Yeah sure, we banned players are getting into the forum and deleting posts made by others. Sure………

bruce May 15, 2008 at 5:53 pm

i wonder if the people at netwinner knows that deleting company documents is a federal offense. and saying that the forims are not company documents would be WRONG if they are attached to the company and they show any form of company business then they are considered company documents. oh and by the way i would almost bet that the netwinner’s owners are more than likly not doing this they more than likly are having mods do it from their home that way it would show that the action was done from their i.p. address and that way the company can say that they had no knowledge that this was going on. guess the company could have thought this all the way to who their scape goats will be . i hope so much that i am right it would do my heart good to find out that everything done in the past day will fall upon those that have been so vocal in defending netwinner.

dollphyn May 15, 2008 at 6:04 pm

I was just banned – LMAO – did nothing wrong either..just voicing my opinion here and there…what’s really funny tho – is I have so many members that I have given my email addy to – they’ve been told to give it to other members so we can keep in touch and I will still know and hear what is going on in the forum…
You know, I feel a sense of relief now..I won’t have the sick urge to go back there and look at all the total BS he is handing them poor people..I was reading on there (right before I got banned) in different threads, quite a few members are just finding out about this..it is so sad that they are asking when their prizes and cards will come..also I have found out they read your PM’s..there is a breach right there..it slipped out yesterday from a knothead

Rich May 15, 2008 at 6:09 pm

I’m sure that they will argue that “private messages” on their servers do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy, in much the same way that your employer reserves the right to read any and all electronic communications sent or received on your computer at work. Unethical on the part of Netwinner maybe, but not illegal or breaching any contract we have with them.

Aaron May 15, 2008 at 6:10 pm

Welcome to the League of Honored Banned Peoples!!! hehe

dollphyn May 15, 2008 at 6:19 pm

Thank you aaron – LOL – honestly I seem to be quit honored..It’s actually the best thing that has happened to me since joining up with that so called place – I am 53 years old..have been on the internet and forums since the day of the dinosaurs..Never been banned from the hundreds I belong to..how ironic …it just shows more of the type of class that they are in…so I must say, I am so glad I am not apart of that class any longer…I feel A tho I just took a long hot shower and scrubbed all the dirt and germs off my skin..

bruce May 15, 2008 at 6:20 pm

lol
i want to thank comparerewards for allowing us stepchildren of netwinner to have a place to voice what has happened. i am unsure if becky had /has an account still with the site but i believe she feels like most of us that what has happened is wrong. i know for myself i am honest and try and live my life that way( sometime to honest or so i been told ) i have and will voice my thought and beliefs when i see some sort of wrong doing. before this all started i was one who would have backed netwinner till the end of time. because i truly believed that i had found a site that was honest. now i am unsure about any referrals i have ever made to anyone. i regreat referring anyone to this site and have in the past few week closed any site i had opened that had netwinner’s name in the title. see i was a big promoter of the site and wanted to spread the word and for that i am truly sorry to anyone who found one of my sites and joined this company.
i did not play the games only for the money. for me it is sort of more a hobby surfing the net and finding spots that people enjoy and can perhaps win something at or earn money doing tasks. i know there are millions of scams out there and i try and comb through them all and find the legit sites ( guess i will need a better comb because netwinner got stuck in the teeth of the old one ). in closeing i would once again thank becky for this support and the ability to voice our concerns.
p.s. on a sort of related topic ummmmmmmmmmm becky could we start another thread this one is so full it is taking 5 minutes for a post to appear on the forum. :)

luvhockey May 15, 2008 at 6:21 pm

I just sent my info to the ic3 site

PGGB May 15, 2008 at 6:45 pm

Watching and reading, day after day.Coping & pasting addy’s to contact.Waiting… All these months of my time.Wasted.I printed my account information the day I redeemed my points-the day before they changed.May 10-11?I don’t want to “play” now.Why should I?I can play Freecell and do as well.If a “leader” wants to get a signed email from everyone that is owed-I want my name on it.I want to know.I’m in NC myself and really felt this site was on the level. I know others in my area that play also(played).I feel so let down!Does anyone know where we can find out if anything is being done about this?I beleived in them.That game was the highlight of my day to unwind after work and feel like I was earning something extra to feel good about!I may never trust another online game again!

PGGB May 15, 2008 at 6:47 pm

Watching and reading, day after day.Coping & pasting addy’s to contact.Waiting… All these months of my time.Wasted.I printed my account information the day I redeemed my points-the day before they changed.May 10-11?I don’t want to “play” now.Why should I?I can play Freecell and do as well.If a “leader” wants to get a signed email from everyone that is owed-I want my name on it.I want to know.I’m in NC myself and really felt this site was on the level. I know others in my area that play also(played).I feel so let down!Does anyone know where we can find out if anything is being done about this?I beleived in them.That game was the highlight of my day to unwind after work and feel like I was earning something extra to feel good about!I may never trust another online game again!

Anonymouse May 15, 2008 at 7:16 pm

I think it’s time for a Class Action lawsuit. Anyone know a good lawyer?

knothead May 15, 2008 at 7:17 pm

mjp said in reference to the ‘letter from netwinner president’ thread being removed – “The letter could have been removed by the team by accident, or by some other force. I do not yet know where it went. I have reposted it here:” along with a copy of the letter only
a few posts down he said “I will see about getting it back. The about of traffic and senseless attacks are huge. I have a heavy load. The loss was caused by the attackers one way or another. I can not fixed everything they ruin, but I am trying.”
i posted and told him that i have a copy of the whole thread if he needs it
(i also have complete copies of a bunch of other threads)
his statements don’t make sense, why would the attackers want all of the negative comments removed?

Aaron May 15, 2008 at 7:21 pm

All they do is lie, they can’t stop it seems. They are the only ones who would want those posts removed and as far as I know the only ones with access to do it. They should easily be able to tell who is actually removing stuff if it was a hack at least the user ID would be known I’m sure.

thecommittee May 15, 2008 at 7:30 pm

Posted by Bruce:
“i am not sure how their terms would be construed in a court of law. but it seems that having one section state that inactivity would be ground for termination and then having another section state that accessing the site would constitute that you agree with any new terms. if i am not mistaken you can not havve both of these in the same contract doing so would in form constitute extortion. ie either you agree with our changes or you get your account and all that is owed to you canceled. perhaps thecommittie could check this one out.
Apologies for the c/p but this needs to be addressed.
There seems to be some confusion about what aspects are civil and what is criminal. Unless a member intends to file a small claims lawsuit then much of that wouldn’t matter to the average player.
Deciphering the legalities of contracts, terms and responsibilities should be left to the authorities when and if criminal action is taken. Investigators, auditors and prosecutors would not be as concerned with forum posts or email notifications as they would bank statements, company prospectus material, tax forms, permits, licenses, etc. The authorities already know the personality profiles of scammers, what they need is convincing evidence that fraud took place, even if they consider most important fraud to be under-reporting or not reporting appropriate taxes, paying fees and things of that nature. Keep in mind, too that trials are costly and time-consuming. Our governments are well aware of the various cons both online and off, and they do their best to try to educate people.
Oftentimes, even those who invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in fraudulent Pyramid or Ponzi schemes cannot recoup their investments. The money may be gone. The only reason they testify is to seek justice, not necessarily compensation.
Thecommittee does not wish to douse the flames of passion but to save later disappointment, it’s important to understand how each and every one of us fits into this equation. We are not completely innocent. Knowing what your recourse will be is imperative when entering into a contract with anyone, at any time, for any reason, but it’s just as important to fully comprehend that there may not be any recourse should things turn sour down the road. That isn’t because our governments don’t care, they do. But, we are not infants and they are not our parents or babysitters. We must take responsibility for our actions if we expect others to do the same.

ann May 15, 2008 at 7:44 pm

Anyone want to go to New York and get on People’s Court and sue Netwinner there?

Aaron May 15, 2008 at 7:46 pm

However, feel free to file criminal charges with Local state and federal authorities if you feel your a victem of fraud. As for Civil Litigation we can contact a lawyer for starting a Class action lawsuit. Probably best if done from one in Charlotte. So if any of you know a lawyer in the Charlotte or in NC even and want to launch a lawsuit I think that’s how one would start. Then the lawyer would put out press releases about the Class Action and how to contact him if your a victim. Then he gathers all your evidence compiles it into a case and files it with whatever court that is handled in. By this point tho the company could no longer exist and I think that will actually be the situation very very soon.

bruce May 15, 2008 at 7:54 pm

i agree with you and as for the money i have given that up some time ago. but i do wnt to see netwinner prosicuted in a criminal court. from what i read of the t.o.s. most of us have no other recourse of action other than trying to do all we can to see that criminal actions are taken. i want others to know what is being done. and as for private mails. there was just a case in texas about a public official who got caught deleting private emails. and that act was found to be construed as deleting official documents. i understand that deleting chat and official documents are 2 different thing but each person who knows this is happening may be able to grab some of the info and save it before it is gone. on another thought some of what i said was to hopefully wake some of the mods up. i can understand their wanting to trust the site they have defended for the past 6 months or longer ( without any help from those in charge ). but in the end each person can only do what they think is right and if they are wrong and are forced to face charges tehn they would have to live with their choices.

thecommittee May 15, 2008 at 8:12 pm

One wouldn’t “file criminal charges” if they were a “victim of fraud.” It would be considered a civil matter.
If a small claims is filed, the jurisdiction would have to be where the company’s headquarters are located, or the locale stipulated in the TOS.
Due to the reasons thecommittee has offered, most attorneys will not get involved in a class action or joinder suit when it can easily be argued that the plaintiffs a)did not practice due diligence, b)did not invest monies and c)were not physically, emotionally or mentally harmed.
This does not mean that these kinds of suits can’t or won’t be filed. Many class actions from false advertising, for instance, end where plaintiffs only receive a tiny fraction of their losses.
Eveything that Netwinner members are going through right now has been experienced by many people throughout history. Anger, frustration, retaliation, it’s all been done before over and over. As of yet, there has been no precedent-setting cases involving any of these online paid or game sites where they promised something and then reneged on that promise. For obvious reasons, these kinds of scams are at the bottom of the priority scale when it comes to law enforcement.
Keep submitting your complaints to the Attorney General. It’s the best chance members have right now.

wade in sc May 15, 2008 at 8:43 pm

I too would like to tell Becky, she will never know the amount of respect I have for her. She stood toe to toe with evil people with only the truth as her sword. I have witnessed netwinner mods tear up and chew people apart simply because they posted the truth about the site and was never held accountable.
Becky is my hero.
Thank you.

Becky May 15, 2008 at 8:59 pm

Aw…! Thank you, Wade, and all the others who’ve been so kind to me. I’m just so sorry that you guys, all real people, were taken advantage of like this…and then told to “get a life” by the company! You’re all good folks who played by the rules and didn’t deserve this.
I’ve updated the blogspot Action Item list with some ideas and links posted here as well as some others I dug up — at current count 14 different avenues irate NW members can pursue to attempt to recouperate their earnings, to inform others about NW’s unethical behavior, or to report NW for possible illegal activities. Here is the link:
http://comparerewards.blogspot.com/
If you have suggestions for additions or comments on items on the list, please email me: comparerewards@yahoo.com
Also, this link is to a group of attorneys that specialize in consumer class action lawsuits in the Charlotte area: http://www.shipmanlaw.com/PracticeAreas/Consumer-Class-Actions.asp

acsfl May 15, 2008 at 9:01 pm

So now they think the “evil” NW ex-loyalists have hacked in and removed the threads? Their delusions never end. Like others said, gee, we’d want all the negative stuff left up to show their true colors. Lots of edits and removed posts in those threads.

Jack May 15, 2008 at 9:08 pm

Just so you know , NetWinner’s TOS has always attempted to derail class action lawsuits . Here’s what is says now , and I believe , has always stated :
DISPUTES
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25.1
You agree any and all disputes, claims, and causes of action arising out of or in connection with the Service or any game, including but not limited to the NetWinner Sweepstakes, or any prizes awarded, shall be resolved individually, without resort to any form of class action.

Rich May 15, 2008 at 9:40 pm

That is in their TOS, but the court may choose to throw out that stipulation if there’s evidence that the company set out to defraud consumers and then tried to make a TOS to cover up illegal activities. Not to mention, they breached the contract.

kiarasmamaw May 15, 2008 at 10:49 pm

I think actions could still be taken even with the TOS stating otherwise. If we had to keep our end of the TOS, so did they. When they themselves broke it, it should have become null and void.

dollphyn May 15, 2008 at 10:52 pm

Just a very small recomendation here..If anyone has a myspace account..you can post a bulletin to go out to all your friends list and have them copy and paste it and send it on to their friends list I just did and here is what I posted:
http://www.netwinner.com
Body: Netwinner, another scam on the internet – …members were expecting checks and reloadable debit cards for over 6 months..promises of delivering were tainted Monday when members logged into the site to see that there cashouts were reversed..Yes, I was one of the thousands…It’s not about the money anymore..it is about letting everyone know and spreading the word about this fraudulent company…The Members are now contacting radio, television, BBB, DA office just to name a few..If any of you are, or perhaps know someone that is a member of this site, please advise them to visit:
http://www. comparerewards. com/archives/004549. html
Here they will learn what actions they can take against this company

Former NW Addict May 15, 2008 at 11:05 pm

Anyone want to go to New York and get on People’s Court and sue Netwinner there?
I just had to post a response to the above comment….
no…better yet…..let’s go to Judge Judy. I would love that!

John D May 15, 2008 at 11:07 pm

Does anyone know if there is any recourse through the internet companies such as Comcast, Google, Msn, Warner, etc.?

Former NW Addict May 15, 2008 at 11:10 pm

I just had to post a comment here from this recent post by:
Posted by: ann
Date: May 15, 2008 7:44 PM
Anyone want to go to New York and get on People’s Court and sue Netwinner there?
….better…..to go on Judge Judy…..would love it!!!!

ann May 15, 2008 at 11:30 pm

I saw the comment about pogo.com. I can guarantee that their jackpots and prizes are real. I won a jackpot a few years ago and even tho they said 60 days it was a bit longer. They sent the tax form to fill out in 60 days and then a month later I received the check. I didn’t think their jackpots were real so when I received the check I thought it was fake and would bounce. It went through and never bounced. I know many people think their jackpots aren’t real or the people winning work for pogo or are made up names but I know differently.

knothead May 15, 2008 at 11:42 pm

dollphyn said may 15 2008 at 6:04 p.m. “I was reading on there (right before I got banned) in different threads, quite a few members are just finding out about this..it is so sad that they are asking when their prizes and cards will come..also I have found out they read your PM’s..there is a breach right there..it slipped out yesterday from a knothead”
where did you get the idea that i said anything about pm’s anywhere? i have suspected that they could but i did not know or say anywhere that they do
please show me where i said that

se62 May 15, 2008 at 11:52 pm

I filed with the Charlotte BBB yesterday and with http://www.ripoffreport.com today. Will be filing with the AG and the FTC before the end of the weekend and any other site I see that looks good to file with. I may not ever get my money they owe me, but I will do whatever I can to make them pay for all their deceitfull lying ways! With everyone working together maybe we can shut them down!

Jack May 16, 2008 at 12:39 am

Posted by mjp65 at netwinnercentral along with a poll. No additional comments from me .
“Do Netwinner Fans Want a Sancuary away From The Constant Bashing?
I will keep thing as they are on most of the forum for now. This would be added and seperate.”

Rich May 16, 2008 at 12:41 am

Netwinner still has fans? ROFLMAO, I needed a good laugh tonight.
Sorry but mods do not count as fans, the mods who are sticking with Netwinner are every bit as guilty of criminal actions in my book as the owners and staff.

Ginger May 16, 2008 at 1:18 am

I go on a little vacation and log on to see what is happening in the Internet world and find that it takes about 3 hours to catch up on this one thread and I was skimming the thing most of the time. I finally got food and drink and just settled in to read the latest installment of ….”Scams by Netloser”.
My word, what a mess. Something very similar happened with FreeRide a few years back. It paid what it could, went down the tubes and rose like the Phoenix for its 3rd incarnation. Folks flocked back by the droves. Yep, I have an account for the purpose of lurking as I do with Memolink. I don’t think anyone that has been online for too long has gotten away without being burned at some point. It is more wild than the wild wild west ever was.
To my partner Becky…ya done good kid. To Mr. Becky….thanks! My eyes are so thankful! To all who have banned together, keep the faith. At least we know there is one person (hopefully you trust me too) on the Internet to turn to when things get crazy. And Becky….about that blog….we’ll talk girl!
Best of luck to all!
Ginger

kiarasmamaw May 16, 2008 at 1:34 am

They as you can tell are soon getting rid of the forum. That’s why new members have to emails someone to join. OMG!! Keep things the way they are on most of the forum?? So in other word….kiss his you know what and get to the new forum. They are going to hide from us.

BBK May 16, 2008 at 1:35 am

Hi Becky , i read daily but never got around to posting , love the site BTW :)
If someone does open a forum i have the perfect name ” I played Netwinner and all i got was this lousy forum”
Or the “40% Cheaters Message Board”
Or the “You play , we pay ….unless we decide we would rather keep the money forum”
Like ???
To me , i never got a dime and the lack of the gift cards isnt going to affect my life in the least ( though i would have smelled better with some new body sprays) but i know so many of the players are either limited income , retirees , single moms , disabled or just people who wanted to be able to provide something extra for their kids or even themselves .
For the mods who told these people to get a job , get a life quit crying over the prizes they wont get , thats basically spitting in the face of the players because each of us was there for a reason , whether it be for extra money or to supplement our income , do you think truly wealthy people would play such an inane game for pennies a day ?
Netwinner should apologize to the people that the mods offended with those senseless comments , because thats netwinners prime players that have the time to spend there and line the NW pockets with money .
About the legalities , i havent spun since april 11th , and my understanding is if you do spin you are agreeing to the new TOS , which i wont , now i also am considering filing small claims against them but am still talking with a few of my daughters friends who are looking up case law that would help me understand what would be my basis for it , but my thinking is this , if alot of us filed , it would be expensive for them to have to defend themselves and they would likely settle out of court to avoid that expense , has anyone else looked into this?

kiarasmamaw May 16, 2008 at 1:36 am

They as you can tell are soon getting rid of the forum. That’s why new members have to emails someone to join. OMG!! Keep things the way they are on most of the forum?? So in other word….kiss his you know what and get to the new forum. They are going to hide from us.

knothead May 16, 2008 at 2:33 am

can someone that knows something about law interpret this stuff about florida and new york for us?
posted in nwc by a player -
If Netwinner fall under Florida Statute 849.094 they are in violation of the law if they fail to pay the prizes won
As used in this section, the term:
about florida -
(a) “Game promotion” means, but is not limited to, a contest, game of chance, or gift enterprise, conducted within or throughout the state and other states in connection with the sale of consumer products or services, and in which the elements of chance and prize are present. However, “game promotion” shall not be construed to apply to bingo games conducted pursuant to s. 849.0931.
It is unlawful for any operator: c) To fail to award prizes offered;
and
about new york -
All sweepstakes must have official rules, which is the contract between the sponsor and the consumer. The rules CANNOT change once a sweepstakes has begun.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
mjp posted this in response to those posts -
We do not sell raffle tickets. We accept no money. The laws mentioned are about raffles sales.
NY and FL residents can play and win up to $5,000 on each games. This limit is because of state laws.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
that florida statute doesn’t sound like it means ‘sold tickets’ to me
there was an older thread about florida and new york winners in the forum but of course i cannot find it now

Rich May 16, 2008 at 2:37 am

The clause in the Florida statute that it is in connection with the sale of consumer products or services is probably the loophole that Netwinner is using to avoid prosecution. However, the New York statute may have merit, because typically sweepstakes do not require purchases to enter, and Netwinner is always referring to the money wheel as sweepstakes. It all depends on how a judge would interpret it, but if it were up to me I’d say New York has a case against them being that they allowed residents of New York to participate.

la-la land May 16, 2008 at 7:27 am

I think this is why they try to keep you on one subject one area in the forum – so they can look back at the lies they told so they dont screw up and when we post multiple subjects on the the same item it makes them think – and sometimes they don’t remember the lie they told yesterday
Gotcha Netwinner

Not hard to guess who I am May 16, 2008 at 7:30 am

The thread that was posted here was the one that got me banned LOL..and Bruce I had been saying alot of what you said too..
Thanks Tinkertoo for the Canadian option.I did wonder if because a US based site is defrauding Canadians if we could go after them from that angle.
It is now Friday morning..Dday for me.I see that NOTHING has been done about fulfilling their promises,except for rearranging the Net..winner propoganda forum.and of course changing the TOS yet again.Too bad..so sad..I have NOT logged in nor have I “spun” so I for one am not held to the terms of any new TOS(and I think that anyone else who has not played stands in the same place as me).Sooooooo Net scammer..WE still have the option of doing something about NW.
Wayyyy back in the posts someone mentioned NOT telling the NW trolls what we have planned.Hold our cards close to our chests.Well I am going to do that.
The Trolls/ghosts from NW that are surely reading the posts here most likely KNOW who I am..as do many of you.But for now I will NOT be using my name/nickname as I hope to start doing what I can to see NW and their staff(Mods included because although they may not get a Paycheque they ARE considered a part of NW and CAN be held liable here in Canada..just like I warned them repeatedly) face up to their obligations or else shut down completely.I have proof of commitments made to me personally( and broken) along with other documents that I hope will be enough to see that NW does not continue their “games” until they have settled what they owe.
Personally I Hate being made a fool of..I hate it when I take someone for their word and they break it.
In some ways it IS about the money but mainly its because what NW has done is just plain WRONG.

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 7:39 am

Posted by: knothead
Date: May 15, 2008 11:42 PM
dollphyn said may 15 2008 at 6:04 p.m. “I was reading on there (right before I got banned) in different threads, quite a few members are just finding out about this..it is so sad that they are asking when their prizes and cards will come..also I have found out they read your PM’s..there is a breach right there..it slipped out yesterday from a knothead”
where did you get the idea that i said anything about pm’s anywhere? i have suspected that they could but i did not know or say anywhere that they do
please show me where i said that
NO, no, no – I am sorry – No, not you knothead – I didn’t even know someone had a screen name on there as knothead, LOL…I just meant Some Knothead, not you..I was using knothead as a description of the person…I was not meanint YOU as in someone with the screen name knothead – LOL – I am so sorry for the confusion.

P'od Off NW player May 16, 2008 at 7:51 am

Filed with BBB last night – now sure what will become of it, but the term “Silence is Golden” won’t work with me

knothead May 16, 2008 at 8:15 am

thank you for clearing that up
i will take credit/blame for anything i said here, that is why i post with my username from nw but i do not like having words put in my mouth
i could not for the life of me remember saying that anywhere and i could not find it in any of my posts or pm’s or emails either
like i said, i always thought they could, but i never said it out loud or in print

VIP May 16, 2008 at 9:07 am

Go figure, my husband files a complaint with the BBB and I lose my VIP status – give me time – I have facts to tell that will make your blood curdle

Duchess44 May 16, 2008 at 9:14 am

Ok, about the super secret club crap that he is starting now, I just posted this:
I have to agree on the choices… seems that either you’re kissin butt or you’re slingin “poo” so either way you are getting the bad “end” of the deal
Sorry, just had to go there
I didn’t vote. I agree with Melody on this..
“I wouldn’t classify all the comments as bashing as it’s actually factual but if some need a safe haven from that so be it give it to them. It would be nowhere I’d go so they can sing their praises and it won’t tick the rest of us off to hear it. IMO”
…so I really didn’t see a point in voting. The whole thing seems silly to me. If you are tired of hearing it (Mike) and want it to just go away, why would you bring more attention to it by posting a poll asking if people want a “super secret club, NO GIRLS ALLOWED” type of thing, it draws even more attention to the fact that there is a major problem here in NW land. I think people deserve to be able to vent and have their say within the walls of the company that did this to them without feeling like they are outsiders and deserve to be punished even more than they already have…don’t you?
Of course, this is your forum and I guess you have the right to do with it what you want. But I think if you keep alienating the people who brought you to the place you are in now, you will have a lot fewer arms/hands to hold you up, and you may just crash to the ground hard enough to break something important…

Becky May 16, 2008 at 9:22 am

BBK: You had me ROFL this morning — you’re hilarious! Thanks for the laughs, and I think small claims court is a great idea. Sometimes failure to respond results in a default judgment. Getting paid, though, is another problem. The Wikipedia artcle on Small Claims Court, including links to more info for some states and provinces is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_claims_court
NWC Death Toll for yesterday: 3 forum accounts senselessly banned (mamaliz45, dollphyn, kiarasmamaw). Mamaliz was deleted for using capital letters in three of her posts.
I know some new folks are just finding us and as my good friend Ginger mentioned, it could be a long three hours of skimming to find the information you’re looking for, so I’m going to continue to repost this and will close this post off and start a new one shortly.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
CONTACT INFO FOR BBB, ATTY GEN, ETC:
http://comparerewards.blogspot.com/
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The contacts were updated last night and I’ll update them again shortly. If you get a response from any of these avenues, I hope that you will post a comment or send me an email at comparerewards@yahoo.com
I’m sure that NetWinner is counting on people giving up hope before exhausting all possibilities. You should invest at least as much time into trying to get your money as you did on earning it (and earning NW ad revenue).
Good luck to all.

linda May 16, 2008 at 9:24 am

Posted by: VIP
Date: May 16, 2008 9:08 AM
Go figure, my husband files a complaint with the BBB and I lose my VIP status – give me time – I have facts to tell that will make your blood curdle
i am waiting for this info, if anything i can use in my complaints
i will take it. lol
PLEASE enlighten us!!!
btw check out utubes newest netwinner video made by a young
lady. i love it. hope it gets thousands of views!

fc May 16, 2008 at 9:29 am

why r some people getting their ecards back on the prize page saying approved???? and others are NOT

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 9:32 am

I was just checking my account page and went uder my prizes and the redemptions i had for the ecard are back on there and are showing approved. i’ve searched the forum and haven’t found anything on this yet. are they going back to doing ecard redemptions??? i am on the grill page for ssan partner site so i can’t see the amount of points i have to know if they deducted them again. anyone know whats going on?+
They are back on mine too
I must be special because mine are back and they say approved????? I have no idea what is going on any more. I am so confused. First points, then only some people get the cards….. I’m really confused. I hope netwinner sends out clarification emails.

Becky May 16, 2008 at 9:33 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We5gmz8KaIc
Sad but true. Very well made, too. Rated it a 5.

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 9:34 am

linda said:
btw check out utubes newest netwinner video made by a young
lady. i love it. hope it gets thousands of views!
Um, I think that was posted by a fan and it was a mockery of us non-fans. If you notice she is fake crying and exaggerating everything. So I don’t think it is a positive thing at all.

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 9:38 am

i hate that they got rid of the netwinner addict contest that really pisses me off too@

Becky May 16, 2008 at 9:38 am

Really? I didn’t take it that way at all. And — more importantly — I think those considering joining NW who don’t know anything about them will see the video as being on the level also.
NW will have it removed from Youtube, just watch.

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 9:38 am

the youtube video was posted by my daughter, she thinks she’s an actress, lol. She was making fun of Netwinner, not us non-fans, she has watched my mother ( her grandmother ) sit and spin forever and she is a little peturbed seeing her grandmother upset about the changes.

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 9:40 am

Ok but if you check out the girl’s youtube page it says in her bio that they are in the making of short films and to tell them if you think they are “funny”, meaning they like to make fun of things/people? She even has a disclaimer stating they have nothing against the stars they imitate.
I dunno, maybe I am just taking it the wrong way?

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 9:41 am

Ah ok then I misread it. I assumed since she was exaggerating she was poking fun at all the people who were upset. Sorry…

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 9:47 am

why r some people getting their ecards back on the prize page saying approved???? and others are NOT

Becky May 16, 2008 at 9:49 am

Hey, Anonymous (YouTube poster’s mom) — would it be okay if I did an email interview with your daughter (just a few Q&As) to post on CompareRewards? I think it’d be a great way to draw attention to the cause — the real people who were affected by NW’s “new business model.” If so, please email me or ask her to, thanks!
If anyone else wants to post a similar video, I’ll extend you the same offer. Let people know how this affected you and I’ll link to your video on CompareRewards along with a mini-interview. Let me know if you’re up for it!

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 9:49 am

Yea, I just noticed that little factoid also. I think it is some type of either a glitch like yesterday, or maybe the ones that said they want to be in the “super secret club” as stated in the above post are getting their cards? Just guessing here…

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 9:52 am

OHHH Great idea, Becky!!! C’mon guys! I would do it but I don’t have a video camera or webcam, dangit!!

knothead May 16, 2008 at 9:52 am

someone mentioned in a post in nwc that another site (iamgame)that did not pay what they promised to (actually she said prizes were reduced and payouts have slowed to a crawl) was based in NC
and if any of you are familiar with cashbreak, that used to be a really great site til they moved their base of operations to NC a couple of years ago and have hardly paid anyone since then
is there something about NC laws that lets these companies get away with this sort of thing?

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 9:54 am

Hey I just had a veery paranoid idea. What if all those companies ARE NW?? Ahh..
(sorry, just joking around. I seem to be in a “mood” today for some reason)

linda May 16, 2008 at 9:59 am

i just checked my account and it is still the same. nothing,
nodda. i called the tv station in nc, never got a call back.
i am hoping he is reading here and i asked him to check
all over the internet for netwinner scams to check it out!

linda May 16, 2008 at 10:01 am

i just checked my account and it is still the same. nothing,
nodda. i called the tv station in nc, never got a call back.
i am hoping he is reading here and i asked him to check
all over the internet for netwinner scams to check it out!

knothead May 16, 2008 at 10:24 am

last time anyone looked into cb’s ownership it was still the same guy that has owned it for the whole 8 yrs i have been a member there, i am pretty sure he still lives in a little town near orlando but he moved the company to NC a couple of years ago for some reason
i wonder if there was a change in the gambling laws or something there 2 yrs ago that created a loophole for these companies to cheat people?
…………….
i thought that video was putting down nw since they showed pic of hitler and i am guessing that colonial looking guy was benedict arnold at the end
……………
i have not had any of my prizes show back up like the others have a couple of times, but i wonder if they are just doing that to taunt us
if they do show back up for any of you by all means get a screen shot immediately even if you already had one of your prizes because the ones that had them show up yesterday said they were all changed from processing to approved
………….
i have been playing at boomertowne every day and i do the scavenger hunt, trivia contest, games, rate recipes jokes quotes and household tips, then look at some cities in mytowne then read a few articles and accept any friend requests i have waiting and then i become one of those friend request hoes and start sending out requests to everyone with a public profile EXCEPT for one guy, lol
have any of you noticed the guy with charles manson’s pic as his avatar? i guess that is a good way to keep from getting a bunch of friend requests from strangers, lol
wonder if mjp would consider that for his avatar at nw? he does seem to have some unexplainable charisma with the volunteers there, i wonder if he will ask the girls to shave their heads for him? lol

kiarasmamaw May 16, 2008 at 10:36 am

Mornin all. Gonna try to check this off and on today. My little granddaughter is her and gets most of me..lol. Anyway didn’t know I was banned til I found out from compare rewards. But..of all things they have done this is best. It means I am a good person.. Because they are only banning the good and honest.

knothead May 16, 2008 at 10:38 am

i refreshed 5 or 6 times after i posted this and it never showed so trying again
last time anyone looked into cb’s ownership it was still the same guy that has owned it for the whole 8 yrs i have been a member there, i am pretty sure he still lives in a little town near orlando but he moved the company to NC a couple of years ago for some reason
i wonder if there was a change in the gambling laws or something there 2 yrs ago that created a loophole for these companies to cheat people?
…………….
i thought that video was putting down nw since they showed pic of hitler and i am guessing that colonial looking guy was benedict arnold at the end
……………
i have not had any of my prizes show back up like the others have a couple of times, but i wonder if they are just doing that to taunt us
if they do show back up for any of you by all means get a screen shot immediately even if you already had one of your prizes because the ones that had them show up yesterday said they were all changed from processing to approved
………….
i have been playing at boomertowne every day and i do the scavenger hunt, trivia contest, games, rate recipes jokes quotes and household tips, then look at some cities in mytowne then read a few articles and accept any friend requests i have waiting and then i become one of those friend request hoes and start sending out requests to everyone with a public profile EXCEPT for one guy, lol
have any of you noticed the guy with charles manson’s pic as his avatar? i guess that is a good way to keep from getting a bunch of friend requests from strangers, lol
i edited the reference i made to nw ranch, maybe that was why it never showed – maybe becky didn’t let it go through before

bruce May 16, 2008 at 10:50 am

i would like to point out a fact about small claims. i myself do intend to file a small claims against netwinner. however before doing so i want to first have criminal charges levied against them. if one of the many law enforcement agencies file criminal charges against netwinner for fraud. then any small claims filed would stand a much better chance of winning. if a criminal court says that netwinner is in violation of fraud. then a small claims court would therefore have a hard time saying that they are not liable. but everyone needs to understand one thing. if you all read the t.o.s you would know that netwinner has a small clause in there that says they are not liable for anything other than out of pocket expenses. now it would be up to the judge to determine if the power used to run each persons computer could be construed as an expense ( i would think it would be ) but then you have that part of the clause that states up to $10. most of this is speculation and there could be many outcomes in a court hearing. i just feel that each person should be aware of what could happen.
now i am not saying that netwinner has covered their back side because as anyone should know a judge can find that a contract, agreement and yes even a t.o.s is not legit and can therefore void it. this is not something that will happen over night. each and every player will have to keep on this. if it means calling law enforcement agencies everyday to find out about the status then do so. sooner or later these people will ( if for no other reason than to get you to stop calling) investigate. i know for a fact that some cases are put on the back burner and unless you nag them they will do nothing and then after some time you get told the statue of limitation has expired. so everyone be diligent, keep asking keep filing. let those in these agencies know that you are not happy. i saw someone say there was not a Precedent and to that i say true but at some point every precedent has a first time. we may be fighting a losing battle but i for one want my voice to be heard and i would like those in charge of netwinner to know that we the people ar not happy. and if there is any justice left then i am sure that something will be done. so to those that are investigating this i say thanks. and for those that decide it is just to small to bother with i say shame on you. no un-justice should be considered to small to investigate.

ghost May 16, 2008 at 10:55 am

hi my griper friends, just letting you know that you’re sideline buddy is still very much here just having a blast watching mike make a fool out of himself. im no longer playing, as a matter of fact, i terminated my acct, wish I could see if my points and name are truly gone.
(hey not hard to guess, you should know who this is)

knothead May 16, 2008 at 11:02 am

lol, wouldn’t it be something if this becomes a historical case and is quoted from now on like brown vs board of education or roe vs wade……
THE PEOPLE VS NETWINNER
quoted every time some unethical or criminal company tries to cheat honest ordinary people that join their sites in good faith with the hope that they will indeed pay when we play as advertised

knothead May 16, 2008 at 11:07 am

if we all got $10 we could all pool our money and have shirts printed that say ‘we blew netwinner.scam out of the water and all we got was this lousy t-shirt’

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 11:16 am

Thought everyone would like to know the new “sanctuary” is up. According to MJP, he says he “made the poll in the middle of the night. I did not mean to stack the deck” yea right.
Anyway, the new place description says that “you will be banned for one negative post that “slams” the company, forum team, or mods.”
huh…he called it “The Sanctuary From The Negativity” LMAO! I am pretty sure that the first time any of us post, positive or negative, we will be banned from there right off. More than likely this is what the whole email us to get into the forum thing was about.

knothead May 16, 2008 at 11:23 am

i’m testing that theory, lol
they say we cannot be banned for anything we say on another site so he can’t hold it against me that the song of the day sucks, it is a very positive song, i know it will burn some of them up that i was the first to post there though

bruce May 16, 2008 at 12:09 pm

wanted to point something out.
i am not sure of netwinners chat or forums format now but if they have advertisements up on their site. going back and peeping is ok but really all you are doing is putting more money in their already over stuffed pockets. i for one could care less what they say there because i feel that anything they have to say is
1 lies
2 ignorant
3 made to make them look to be honest
so why even bother looking ( i just ate and would like to be able to keep the food down )

acsfl May 16, 2008 at 1:41 pm

Cracking up that they created a private little huggy, huggy, kissy, kissy club. Named it the wrong thing though. Should have named it the brown-nosers club.
Can anyone tell me whether any mention has been made in the NW forums about why some people have their prizes back in their acct showing as approved???????????????????????? Mine aren’t there.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 16, 2008 at 2:50 pm

Hi everyone :)
My eye surgery went well yesterday. I can about half see out of the eye they worked on which is pretty good actually. So I figured I’d pop in here and let you guys know a few things:
1. My husband isn’t an attorney but he’s very good at sorting these types of messes/scams out because of his profession and common sense. I told him all about what’s been going on here yesterday and he said that Netwinner can in fact be considered gambling because of how the Banko game works.
When you win the first time on a Banko card, you can choose to continue by risking what you’ve already won or quit the game-regardless if what you are wagering is a raffle entry or points. Risking points is considered placing a wager. In other words, gambling.
2. You guys realize that Mike is not the most articulate person in the land. (This is not to knock someone just to knock them, there is a point.) And you know that he’s sneaky, yes? Well, I’d say his phrasing about how “the attackers took the letter down” can be seen two ways and I think that’s what he was hoping for.
The first being that when he blames us, in effect he can’t properly articulate (hello journalist!) that HE took it down because we are using the letter’s content to our advantage. In that backwards mind of his, effectively blaming us for him “having to take it down”.
I think the other reason Mike decided to go with that phrasing was ofcourse to be misleading in the same vein as the fictitious phone calls to scuffedpatty’s grandmother was drummed up to create doubt toward the integrity of our claims against Netwinner.
Yes Mike. I have half an eye and I can still see what you’re up to along with everyone else. You never change.
3. The other day, I started setting up a forum for everyone here so we can all have a common place to keep in touch with our expatriot pals while discussing the matters at hand. But this eye thing has set me back a bit. Look for a link to a new forum sometime next week. :)
All of these points may have been made since I last read this thread yesterday, but reading all the new posts is about a snail’s pace for me right now. BBS though. :)

kiarasmamaw May 16, 2008 at 2:53 pm

Over an hour since a post here. Is it already moved? If so I don’t see a link.

linda May 16, 2008 at 3:30 pm

glad to hear you eye thing went well.
i am ready for a new forum, where i can express myself
without worrying that i will an account anywhere.

Rich May 16, 2008 at 3:43 pm

YGDNW,
Glad to hear you are recovering, and from the sounds of it maybe even a little better than expected =)
Just remember, you might have “half an eye” as you put it, but you can still see the truth a lot more clearly than “Mike and the Mods”.
(No offense to any “Mike and the Mechanics” fans out there, geez I just gave away my age by admitting I know who they are lol)

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 3:50 pm

Are we gonna post the link here, where “they” will see it? Just a thought. Dunno if you want them over at our new place or not.

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 16, 2008 at 3:57 pm

I have no problem with “them” coming over for a factual debate. Who would honestly? =)
If Netwinner’s staff and mod drones do show up and can’t take the heat and then resort to personal attacks or trolling ( which will be defined, among the other rules etc., I’ll be setting up), then they will ofcourse be put out on their asses. You guys have had more than your share of their nonsense to deal with.

Alex May 16, 2008 at 3:58 pm

“25.1
You agree any and all disputes, claims, and causes of action arising out of or in connection with the Service or any game, including but not limited to the NetWinner Sweepstakes, or any prizes awarded, shall be resolved individually, without resort to any form of class action.”
That is only limited to Service and Games. Being paid doesn’t fall under any of those.
And even if they somehow bend it to fit under one of those topics, they broke their own contract first. So you can still claim damages.

Anonymous May 16, 2008 at 3:58 pm

Please everyone …….If you wanna find out if Reloads are actually happening (which I doubt very seriously) ,go to Ecount.com and DO NOT even login to your NW acct. I do NOT wish to make them one more dime.

kiarasmamaw May 16, 2008 at 4:04 pm

I like chatting on this forum. Becky doesn’t ban us for the truth. Also I like this because we know the Netwinner crew still visits. Sometimes under assumed names. What’s so sad is it’s so hard to trust anyone anymore. I don’t want them to ever think we have to hide like they are about to do. (They can’t handle the truth)

Becky May 16, 2008 at 4:12 pm

Welcome back, NotinaGoodWay! Hope you have a speedy recovery and that you can get that alternate forum up soon! A blog’s comments aren’t the best way to structure long-term discussions, that’s for sure… Besides, all you NW people keep breaking my server! (ROFL)
MaMaw, I fully expected the shock of all this to start wearing off by today and the posting here to begin to slack off. People have complained to the agencies they’re going to complain to and now it’s a waiting game.
Meanwhile, on NWC someone posted he didn’t get the first number on his Banko card today until call #28. Another got a “game over” on call #6. Sounds like the odds are being tinkered with.
Mike made a snippy post about here’s the new prizes, so all 7 of you that “the haters” say are still playing should win something, and “how do you like those apples.” Steve and Duchess called him on being an a-hole to the people who quite recently were his friends, so he agreed to edit it… changing “the haters” to “the disenchanted.” (Missing the point.) The raffle prizes now include COCONUT OIL (huh???) and 100,000 points (why not make it 1,000,000,000,000?). Yes, you can now enter a raffle for more entries into more raffles. Not sure of the logic there. Eh, they do also have a couple of grills and some electronics in there, too. Still, it’s got to be a LOT cheaper to buy this stuff and raffle it off than to pay the people what they really owe.
I saw something else verrrry interesting but I think I’ll hold off on posting about it just yet. Waiting on an email. ;)
I’ll be posting my interview with the Spin Report Rebuttal video maker shortly, and when I do, I’ll close this post to new comments and ask you guys to continue over there. Hopefully by the time that post gets full of comments, the new forum NotinaGoodWay’s working on will be up. :)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 16, 2008 at 4:13 pm

The problem is kiaras, that we’re bogging down the server for this site with so many posts because it’s not really a forum. That’s why Becky asked someone to set up a forum and I volunteered. :)

Rich May 16, 2008 at 4:21 pm

If you need any help YGDNW (not that I doubt you can do it on your own lol), I’m going to school for networking/programming so I’d be glad to be of any assistance needed. Speaking of school, time to go learn how to set up home networks *rolling eyes*, something I learned a long time ago on my own but I can’t sacrafice my GPA by sleeping through what I already know lol =)

You'reGoingDownNetwinnerAndNotInAGoodWay May 16, 2008 at 4:22 pm

Jinx! LOL
Oh wait, I was second. Dang! Now I owe you a coke. ;)
Thanks for the updates too Becky. :)
It’s time for me to step away from the computer and give the old eyeball a rest. I’ll get back to work on the new forum very soon. Promise. :)

leftie May 16, 2008 at 4:26 pm

Becky – will get email sent off to you either sometime tonight or tomorrow – I’ve been banned over yonder – don’t see what I did wrong but I thank god for screen print and copy and paste – off now to report at BBB. They have pissed off the wrong person. And if anyone has seen they now offer some kind of oil as a raffle prize – they think they need that to screw us moreor what?

kiarasmamaw May 16, 2008 at 4:28 pm

NotInAGoodWay, I would love a new forum. That wasn’t why I posted. My post was a direct slur to Netwinner. I was banned from Netwinner but of course got in with another name. Got that one banned also…lol So like I said that post was meant for anyone still praising Netwinner to read.

Duchess May 16, 2008 at 4:40 pm

Yea and if you noticed, I was polite and thanked him for acknowledging he was wrong and “fixing” his post. I want to be sure I am not percieved as a “hater” LOL!

Duchess May 16, 2008 at 4:42 pm

Notinagoodway, I was going to say that if you need help with the new forum, I am willing to help in any way I can. I don’t have much in the way of html or IT experience, but if there is anything else you need help with, like finding graphics for the pages, etc, I can handle that :)

Mikeysback May 16, 2008 at 4:42 pm

Just spoke with Matt Coapland ……He said after reviewing my specific gameplays there were many times I had multiple windows open (violating the TOS),and I never played more than 1 game at a time …..He also said the BBB advised him to check EVERYONES gameplays and advised NOT to pay anything to anyone that has broke their TOS in this way ……..YESSSS I KNOW YOURE READING THIS ASSHOLE …AND YES IT IS ME MIKEYSBACK ……I will continue to contact other agencies,media,etc. and encourage everyone else to do the same!!! So keep the hush money ,Matt ….Your lawyers need a payday too!!

Former NW Addict May 16, 2008 at 4:53 pm

this was posted on the NW forum. ughhh….guess they cannot see the light!
“Although I know from reading some had $600-$800 that they had redeemed points for, is quite a chunk of money and that to many even an extra $50 meant a lot. This is more an emotional loss than fiscal. However those who have been effected by tornadoes and earthquakes and this unnecessary war, have experienced losses in huge proportions. Let’s remember how fortunate we are as we sit within our homes in front of our PC’s that there is much for which to be thankful. Yes we chose to put in a great deal of time to win those points to redeem for cash, but that is so small in proportion to some who have lost a home and possessions that took them many years or even a lifetime to accrue.”

Duchess May 16, 2008 at 4:59 pm

Well you know that they are now gonna try to say everyone cheated. I wonder if there is a way to make them prove it instead of just saying “you don’t get paid..you cheated”. There has to be a way to make them show where you cheated.

kiarasmamaw May 16, 2008 at 5:00 pm

Here’s some places posted on here earlier that I filed with.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/login.asp
http://www.fraud.org/internet/intinfo.htm
http://www.ic3.gov/

chamelean75 May 16, 2008 at 5:06 pm

I was unsure of the NW situation until I came here. I am shocked by the hush money. I had no idea. I now feel that there is a lot of corruption going around.
******feels appalled*********

Mikeysback May 16, 2008 at 5:09 pm

I want them to just try and proove me a cheat ……I played that stupid game hrs at a time day in & out …..I am not a cheater & besides,I tried to go to a partner site before I was done with the one I was currently on (back when they had 100 spins on each one ) and was unable to ……a ERROR page came up

ann May 16, 2008 at 5:36 pm

I sure appreciate everyones comments and am so sorry all we have gone through with netwinner. I bet they will say you had multiple windows open and that is what they will use to say you cheated. There were times when I was on dial up and got disconnected or had problems. I would reconnect and go right to netwinner and get the window that I had multiple windows up when I didn’t. I would close that one and only window and try again and it would work okay. There are some other sites about what had happened. I just googled netwinner lies and there are some good comments elsewhere too.

kiarasmamaw May 16, 2008 at 5:38 pm

Duchess, it shouldn’t matter if they try to say we cheated actually. You all have proof that isn’t why they didn’t pay. The email received said they were reversing all cashouts. Now that they see that people arn’t backing down they are gonna call us cheaters. IF the email had stated that only CHEATERS weren’t getting paid then that excuse would work. Any lawyer can see that they are coming up with excuses to cover their own butts. Also as I recall in the email they blamed it partially on Ecount also.

shellbear May 16, 2008 at 5:54 pm

How can you prove that you had multiple windows open, especially when someone like me who just clicks out of the site and not logs off goes back on and has that warning, multiple window thing and unless you have 2 accts and playing both to which you wouldve gotten caught by the cheat police (the ones that had nothing better to do then to sit and watch the point list) then there really isnt any other way to prove it
and while we’re on the subj of cheating, you know darn well that if they caught someone cheating they terminated their acct, they wouldve never let anyone stay and risk the possibility of a payout, but isnt it funny how the subj of cheating is only now brought up to suit their needs …

Becky May 16, 2008 at 6:04 pm

Everyone’s making wonderful points here — I hate to interrupt the flow of conversation but my new post is up and this one’s getting lengthy. Let’s continue the discussion there instead: http://www.comparerewards.com/archives/004553.html
The post is about the young lady behind the Spin Report response video. I was really impressed with the insight and maturity this 13 year old “girl” showed. More than once I was reading her responses and thinking, “Wow…out of the mouths of babes…”
C’mon over there and let’s chit-chat.

bruce May 16, 2008 at 6:05 pm

as far as i know other than opening the winners page or your account page there was no way to play more than 1 game at teh same time. so the site saying that people did this is bogus. what i find funny is the mods that are reading all the comments from netwinner owners and officers are still there. i could perhaps understand mike staying since he gets paid but what of the ones who do not. can they not see that netwinner will go to any means to not pay. do they think that when they get ready to collect a prize that netwinner could tell them the same thing. so sorry but in oyr opinion you cheated therefore we will not honor any prize that you have won in the past.
the only time i even saw a error msg about more than one game at a time was when netwinners site would kick you out and when you tried to log back in you would get that error msg. i would not be surprised if their site was programmed that way just so they could accuse people of cheating. it would not surprise me in the least. i feel that the owners of netwinner are very dishonest. i would not be surprised to find out that when they were younger that they were the types that stole money from their own mother that she needed to pay bills with. it takes a certain type of person to commit this sort of scam on thousands of people. i could understand if they did not get paid but to noit pay those that were honest even tho the company received their money from their sponsors is just GREED. sort of like the oil industry not a big enough profit so lets see what we can do to make more hey i know lets screw the little guy.
omg i just thought of something
i can just imagine the meeting that brought about that oil as a raffle prize. they were sitting around in their board room trying to figure out what they could raffle off that would be cheap and would come in handy for their new recruits. and one of them said you know all those that left because we scre— them so hard are mad. here is a thought how about if we raffle of some oil that way next time they may not get as upset if we give them some lubricant.

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