Update, 5/13: According to NetWinner’s Terms and Conditions, “Your continued use of the Service following the posting of any changes to the terms and conditions contained in this Agreement shall bind You to acceptance of those changes.” If you don’t agree to the changes, don’t play! Asking yourself what to do about this? Please see the bottom of this post and start by contacting the NC Attorney General’s office. This will get the issue in front of prosecutors and prompt an investigation into whether NetWinner’s actions constituted fraud.
NetWinner emailed members today to tell them they would not be paid for outstanding redemptions. Instead, members’ cashouts would be cancelled and the points refunded to their accounts… but they would be doubled. From now on, points are only good for raffle entries.
Sometimes you hate to be right. 
I’m sorry, y’all. I’m really, TRULY sorry.
In a message to partner sites, NetWinner’s Wendy Warner today stated that only about 10% of you would be unhappy with this move. “Some will see it as I do—a great opportunity for most of our players and then you have the 10% that are hard core that will not be happy at all.”
Just 10%? Head count, anyone?
Continue Reading if you didn’t get the email, or feel free to vent as needed in a Comment.
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:36:03 -0400
From: “NetWinner: Official Release”
Subject: Letter from the President
To our loyal Players:
As President & COO, I want to take this opportunity to communicate candidly about the current status of our site and our plans for moving forward in 2008 and beyond.
Since the launch of NetWinner in June of 2006, we have had the pleasure of giving away over $1.5 million in cash and prizes to over 20,000 lucky winners. Over that time, we have worked hard to provide new features, new ways to win, and improve our Players� experience.
Unfortunately, we have also spent much of our last two years attempting to improve how we police fraudulent users who not only defraud us, but also defraud all of our honest Players. Our most recent statistics show that over 40% of Players redeeming for prizes have violated our Terms of Service sometime before redemption. We are truly saddened that such a significant number of fraudulent users have impacted our legitimate Player�s winnings and our business at these levels.
During the last six months, we have also experienced ongoing technical and business issues with our outsourced fulfillment provider of debit cards.
These two major issues have become virtually insurmountable in ensuring the prompt fulfillment of prizes. As a result, we have been forced to temporarily suspend our debit card redemption option as we pursue new options for points and prize redemptions.
But more importantly, like many other businesses and households, we have also been experiencing the challenges of the recent economic downturn. Together with the tightening of credit markets, this has significantly affected our revenue and our ability to take on additional debt required to continue to grow our business.
These realities forced our management team and investors to make difficult choices. We had two options: shut the company down, or make adjustments to our business model that would allow us to move forward in new ways � with new games, new prizes, and new ways to win. The second option would allow Players to continue to have opportunities to win cash and prizes, and for us to remain a destination site for casual gamers on the Web.
We have chosen to make necessary changes and move forward in new ways. But this choice is not without consequences � both to our Players and to our company. We are acutely aware that these changes may be unpopular with our Players and may even cause some Players to stop playing our games. For that I apologize personally.
But for thousands and thousands of others, we will remain one of the most lucrative casual game sites on the Internet, continuing to give away over $50,000 in prizes every month.
Our new model will no longer be a �rewards� based model, as many have come to perceive it. That is, time spent on our site is not directly correlated with an amount of money �earned�. As a casual game site, our model will be more in line with other popular casual game sites. Players can earn instant cash wins as always and points may be redeemed for cash and prize drawings on a daily, weekly, and monthly basis. This levels the playing field for all our Players and substantially limits the ability of fraudulent users to convert points into cash.
To best address the current fraud and operational challenges I�ve outlined, all existing redemption points for debit cards that have not been fulfilled will be doubled and refunded into each Player�s account. For example, if an individual redeemed 25,000 points toward a debit card, 50,000 points will be deposited back into their account. These can now be redeemed for entries into any of our growing list of cash and prize drawings.
By mitigating the amount of fraud we experience, we have revisited our policies that were designed and deployed to reduce that fraud. We are now able to dramatically increase and vary the number of daily plays allowed on our games and provide more frequent multipliers and other new promotions with even more new ways to win.
We have also modified our fulfillment policy moving forward. All cash daily drawings will be fulfilled in 30 days or less, and all other prizes, including prize drawings and instant cash wins, will be fulfilled within 60 days. We recognize that the delays that occurred in the past were a major source of frustration for our Players.
As we have been making strategic decisions and directions changes at our headquarters, we have not broadly disseminated them with all of our staff and volunteer moderators for confidential business reasons. Please understand that our support staff performed as best they could with the information provided them. Realizing that we have not performed as best we could in supporting our Players� requests, we have put new customer support processes and staff in place to improve our relationships with our Players. Our staff can be reached during normal business hours in the Eastern Time Zone at support@netwinner.com.
We have made these decisions for the benefit of all our Players as well as the employees and partners of our company. Companies must constantly adapt and evolve as operating conditions change. It was necessary for us to do the same.
It is our hope that these changes will create a more fair and exciting casual game environment for our existing and future Players who come to our site. I speak for our entire staff when I send my thanks to all our loyal Players for their commitment and support.
Best regards,
S. Allen Dean
President & COO
We hope you enjoyed receiving this email, but if you no longer wish to receive our emails please click here. NetWinner, LLC 1427 South Blvd. Suite 200 Charlotte, NC 28203
[Sad laugh at the "we hoped you enjoyed receiving this email..." Yeah, right.]
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I played NW in the beginning but I never in a MILLION yrs thought that it would end like this. I am also disgusted and shocked by the way NW is handling this. If they still have any members after this (which I doubt) they would have to do something BIG to make it up to them but I feel like even then it’s too little too late. I hope that each and every member of NW get their gift cards and other prizes.Thank you Becky for posting this info about NW too.
Thanks for posting. I heard about this on Gather.com but hadn’t received the email and was curious to read the press release.
They lied to and cheated us all. I find this abhorent! This was self serving and a totally incomprehensible treatment of their own clientele. If a retail business did this to their customers and/or clientele they would be sued, shut down immediately and held responsible for all past due debts!
Go figure! Netwinner gave us all the shaft in the end! well guess who wont be going there any more! ME!
That little technicality of Netwinner showing payments as “fulfilled” allows them to be sued. Take a screenshot of your account page before that proof is gone. The payments were not fulfilled. Time for Netwinner to go bye bye.
I knew this was going to happen. You predicted it but I kept playing just in case. i’m not even bothering to cash in my points for raffles, why bother?
I can’t log into the netwinner message board, too much activity going on there. My last words are to the mods…….Netwinner pays, oh really?
That little technicality of Netwinner showing payments as “fulfilled” allows them to be sued. Take a screenshot of your account page before that proof is gone. The payments were not fulfilled. Time for Netwinner to go bye bye.
I heard about this earlier this morning and am so PO’d, I’m beside myself. I looked at my account and they removed all the redemptions I had and replaced them with points. They have closed down thier forum. Cann’t understand why, can you? As far as the e-mail is concerned, they didn’t even have the bananas to send me one.
It’, unfortunately, like I said that this is/was a pyramid scheme and now they are trying to back away without going to jail.
I, for one, am going to file with the BBB and any other agency that will let me. Maybe it won’t get my money, but maybe it will get them one more step into bankruptcy and, hopefully, a couple of jail terms. Therefore, if anyone has got an address, phone number and URL #, please post it so that I can complete the necessary forms ( Becky, maybe you could help here).
As far as only 10% of the members being upset, especially in light of the fact that they have lied to the membership for more than 6 months, I think thatpercentage is highly under valued. The percentage is going to be closer to 95%.
i agree with you all.i cant believe they did this but then again i can as its been going downhill for quite some time but they should still send people what they owe them.we trusted them and they let us down.
Actually, internet fraud is the jurisdiction of the feds. Call the Charlotte, NC police department to make a complaint. If the police keep getting calls about Netwinner’s fraud, they’ll pass on the information to the feds who will investigate.
Better start shredding stuff now Netwinner.
Does anybody know, do we have any recourse? Can they do this and get way with it? I’m not too shocked by it all but my mother who has been a Netwinner addict is going to find this very disturbing for they owe her close to $500+ .
Check out the comments for episode eight of the spin report on youtube. Yeah I think I’ll do that.
Here is there numbers but I am sure they will not be answering!!
What a rip off!!
Steve Goldberg, Director of Communications
704-904-8849; steve.goldberg@netwinner.com or
Matt Coapman, V.P. of Business Development
980-253-3301; matt.coapman@netwinner.com
You forgot one: 716 465 3571 Mike
Thank you Becky for posting this .I didnt recieve an email either & had no idea what was going on.I heard this lie 6 months ago and would be stupid to continue to play “their game”:We have also modified our fulfillment policy moving forward. All cash daily drawings will be fulfilled in 30 days or less, and all other prizes, including prize drawings and instant cash wins, will be fulfilled within 60 days. We recognize that the delays that occurred in the past were a major source of frustration for our Players……………OH and if it takes just a little longer for ” blah , blah , blah ” , please be a little more patient and KNOW you WILL get your prize !!
Another one: 704 654 0726 Arion
whats wrong with net winner. you losers turn on the computer and play for 24 hours a day 365 days a year and dont have jobs. you complain about a 25 dollar gift card. go get a job and earn a living. NETWINNER RULES
On 5/5/08, Netwinner’s Matt Coapman telephoned me personally to inform me that I was number 75 on a list of 500 people to receive payouts. He told me to expect the redemption dated for early January for $100.00 within 48 hours.
He then asked if I would do him a couple of favors. One was to notify him at “support@netwinner.com” when I received the reload, and two was that I not mention the phone call to anyone. I mentioned the term “hush money” and he claimed that it was nothing of the sort, that they owed it to me anyway.
I told him that I would like an assurance that ALL past due accounts would be paid soon and he informed me that they were working on that. When I expressed the fact that I was unwilling to continue being a member, he suggested two options, either take the $100.00 and stay active or take the entire amount owed, which was $200.00 and then he would de-activate my account. I chose the latter. I never received the redemptions.
There should be enough people now to file a blizzard of complaints with the FTC, the DOJ and the local BBB to get this scam shut down once and for all. And don’t think for a minute I’m going away quietly. I’ll post all over the internet every chance I get to let people know exactly what’s happened here.
Anonymous said:
You forgot one: 716 465 3571 Mike
Another one: 704 654 0726 Arion
I’m gonna call! Thanks!
When you screw people over Netwinner, it will come back to bite you in the ass. Glad I could help by posting those numbers. They deserve everything that’s coming to them. Let them know how you feel! They so deserve to hear it.
I started playing Netwinner in 2006. It was a wonderful place to go and spend some free time and win some money. This trend that has been developing over the past few months started me thinking that before long they would pull something like this. By taking away the cash rewards, they have become like every other scam site out there. Just how many people do you know who REALLY win drawings on a regular basis? I personally don’t know any. I DO know that I resent my $100 that was yet to be fulfilled being taken away with NO NOTICE. I didn’t get an email so I thank you for posting it here. This is definitely a way for them to keep money in their pockets. Yeah, I am certainly going to drop 800 points on ONE entry into a drawing. LOL I am in agreement with those of you who feel the 10 percent unhappy members is a definite UNDERSTATEMENT! Do you suppose the advertisers will still want to spend their money on a site with little to no traffic? I suppose we all need to stay tuned to see what develops. Needless to say, I will not be playing their games anymore, and as for my points, they can keep those too, since they decided to steal my money from me.
I do believe it is against the law to post other peoples personal telephone numbers like that in hopes of flooding them with calls. Some of these numbers are there homes…… AND I really hope that Becky knows this and will remove them.
I too think Netwinner did wrong.. but no need to hurt people that did not make the decision.
This trend of ill treatment of players has long been evident on the forums. Ordering players around when forum staff doesn’t like someone’s opinion doesn’t fit with the term “moderate” very well does it? Neither does the truth. Admin and mods knew this was coming. It’s great that all of the useless extra points they got for keeping you quiet are now useless for them too. Let’s see how loyal the forum Nazis are now.
It’s not against the law to reprint what the owners of those numbers have posted elsewhere on the internet. If they put their own numbers on the internet and they’ve been copied and pasted here, it’s their own fault.
Take a deep breath, y’all.
Don’t post home numbers, please. Their spouse and kids shouldn’t be harassed because of their business decisions.
If they posted their business numbers publically…I have no problem with that.
I played off and on for a year and was not to happy to see that I won’t be getting the ecount card I cashed out for.
I only cashed out for $175.00 for the whole year and one of the cash outs was for a $100.00 ecount card. I am not a looser who turns on my computer and plays 24 hours a day as was mentioned in an earlier post. There are people who are not able to work due to failing health. I happen to be disabled and can’t work anymore due to numerous health problems.
I knew this would happen it always does when sites offer gift cards I remember a program called beenz years ago that program was abused so much it went under. I realize there were people who cheated on netwinner but it is unfair to people who played and watched the ads and clicked on them to loose their prizes but that is life.
I had stopped playing a few months ago because I had a feeling this was going to happen. I have played games online where you can cash in points for entries for prizes and I enjoyed the games. If netwinner is only going to offer points that can be cashed in for entries for a chance to win a prize the least they can do is offer games that are fun to play instead of that dumb wheel or banko at least if they offered a variety of games that would make the site fun to play at.
A few numbers posted are personal ones…. you might want to have them removed….
STOP quit whinning already no matter how much you wine and complain its not gonna chnage how they are doing things. One more thing giving out numbers???? get a damn life grow the heck up already you all over 18 act like it
Nah I say let them stay. They put their own information on the internet like that, they should be left up.
What are they going to say….. if they call…. Hello.. I dont like the change.. put it back.. It does no good. What is done is done.
Don’t you love it that Netwinner people can’t have a civil disagreement and have to start with the name calling? Me either. I’m not surprised to see them flocking here to further degrade players because it worked so well for them there. Guess what Netwinner? You have no control of what goes on outside your own message board. And if you’ve decided not to pay people, they’re not gonna shut up and do as you tell them anymore. You take away our winnings, we now have the power. It’s about time!
Well, NW just not only shot themselves in the foot, but in the head and wallet as well, STUPID STUPID decision. I was owed $450. There are other games that have much more fun games for chances at prizes. I’ll log on once every couple weeks to keep my account alive with a few spins in hopes that they see the light and reverse some policies. I certainly won’t spend the points on raffle tickets to win prizes they also not likely to send and don’t really need. Don’t drive a car. Wife could care less about some snobby type handbag, I already own a Wii.
NW shoulda sucked up the cost and paid off what they owed. At that time they then would need to decide to keep going with new buisness model or fold. Least if they kept going they’d still have a loyalty base. They blew that out right. So the Forums are getting hammered (they are still up, just to many connections trying to access) and the game will be abandoned. The partner sites must be in a panic. I’ve never seen anything go from so great to so fantasitcally bad. They’ve made every possible bad decission since introducing e-cards and stopping wall-mart cards.
The suck up’s on the forums who dumped on anyone who had concernes need to apologize to alot of people. Anyone who defends NW now is just stupid or works for them.
YOU PLAY WE PAY is now the noose that will hang them. The months of promises of payments are coming to only have rewards recinded and replaced with crappy points for raffles can only be seen as disgusting way to treat membership.
Just shocking to see a company destroy itself so perfectly.
That’s right! No more Netwinner slaves being force fed garbage! Tell them what you really think about how they’ve treated you! Be truly free and tell them how you feel!
“Just shocking to see a company destroy itself so perfectly.”
I love that comment. It’s perfection.
I’d also let Netwinner know how you feel on their MySpace pages. If they’re still up that is.
well, you can put your opinion on here just like everyone else, but you do not have the right to tell others how they should feel or act, and as far as the phone numbers go …they are on the internet free for everyone to find, so no law broken there, and I am almost sure there are no personal home numbers on the 4 I have seen so far so why not let them call, it is not a $25.00 gc as someone said earlier some people are owed 100′s of $’s and not from playing 24/7 but from some big wins they made on banko and the wheel, they were promised the money for playing (you play we pay) NOT entries….but gc’s for money, so they do have a legitimate complaint!
Don’t forget about the Spin Reports on youtube. The name is so fitting now, don’t you think? I always thought so because it’s originated as a term for lying. Guess they didn’t know that, LOL. Anyway, leave your feelings on the latest blog entry as well. It’ll help people who are considering joining Netwinner know that it’s a waste of their time.
To email any Netwinner employee, just put their first name, a dot, then their last name @netwinner.com. Like this- firstname.lastname@netwinner.com. Let them know how you feel!
Wow! Such great and telling comments! And you’re right. Internet fraud is under federal jurisdiction. I’d urge you all to call and complain to get this scam taken out of business permanently. This looks like fraud to me, plain and simple.
Oddly enough, I took a screen shot of my account, showing $425 in ecount redemptions “processing.” What would one do with this information?
Nothing.. they pretty much have it covered in there terms of service.. they have the right not to pay out for any reason they want..
Nothing spells class action lawsuit like this sort of member treatment. A lovely cherry on the sundae that Netwinner’s had coming to it for a long time.
This morning when I noticed the change I filed with the bbb. Netwinner lies and they should be forced to pay every member that has been waiting months for payment and then be shut down. I emailed them complaining and got the generic response we’re sorry and doubled points. Whatever I and every Netwinner member want what we have been waiting so long for our money they promised us. I hope everyone files a complaint against Netwinner.
Great! Where do I sign up for the class action suit?
As far as the feds are concerned, lying to people and taking money promised to them is fraud. Don’t hide behind your flimsy TOS Netwinner. It won’t get you out of the hot water you so richly deserve to be in right now. The TOS doesn’t override the laws of the US government.
I wonder if it would be helpful to visit the advertisers websites and post to them or email them about what Netwinner has done to their loyal members. Do you think they would be interested in knowing how many people are no longer going to be viewing their ads, etc?
Take a look at the NetWinner staff.
Go to facebook and type in NetWinner in the search box.
http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=NetWinner
Well when I do that, it says it found no matches.
“I wonder if it would be helpful to visit the advertisers websites and post to them or email them about what Netwinner has done to their loyal members. Do you think they would be interested in knowing how many people are no longer going to be viewing their ads, etc?”
Yep. People should do that too.
The advertisers also deserve to know that almost all of the traffic they’ve received so far is also false traffic. Advertisers don’t appreciate when companies drive traffic to a site for their own gain. The advertisers pay them for each click you know. False traffic generators like Netwinner have been sued for that before and lost.
I do not think its fair to attack every member of NetWinner. Those of you that have worked at a company before should know that all decisions are not made by staff. Decisions are made by executives; the people you are attacking are just messengers. I know the situation is bad but at least have enough respect not to attack people that may happen to work at NetWinner. Im sure they are not all millionaires and some of them are just trying to make a living like you are.
I don’t get any results when I type NetWinner into Facebook anymore either. Maybe they changed their name to NetLoser?
No one’s “attacking” anyone. Those spin days are over. We’re giving our opinions. Nothing more nothing less. We have a right to that even if our money has been taken away from us.
I have been a loyal player of NW for over a year and have followed the rules from day one, but has NW, no they got them selves in a mess and now they are taking it out on the players. They owe me 450.00, I got the 25×5000 the other day and thought wow thats a big one but they know what was coming so thats why I got it. I will file a report with the BBB and do what it takes to get paid and I will not play their site again…There are a lot more games out there to play that are a lot more fun…
Attacking? LOL That’s pretty funny.
Ever heard of people expressing their opinions? Maybe you’ve been a member of the forum staff too long there Random.
People should say what they think here because they can…finally. No one needs you to tell us how to speak, think or feel thanks. We can make up our own minds, thanks!
Posting person phone numbers is not your opinion… that is a personal attack. If you have not done this then I was not speaking to you and you can ignore this and my previous post
I like that there is an open place to discuss what Netwinner has been doing to all of us. It’s nice to hear and discuss the truth for once.
Thank you Becky.
At least now you know? Everyone was saying they wanted to know what was up with fulfillment; now you do.
mods are still defending wanna bet they get something for it?
No, I didn’t post those.
Anyone can put in their opinion this way. It looks like lots of people are glad the option is available.
Maybe people are doing it because they’re tired of being harassed simply for having an opinion on Netwinner’s forum. Or being told that they’re wrong or they’re lied to again. So, I don’t blame anyone who has chosen to post comments here this way. I choose to too! lol
Can you give an opinion on the situation at Netwinner, Random while not trying to keep us from giving ours or telling us that ours are wrong? Can you do that?
” drew said:
mods are still defending wanna bet they get something for it?
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According to some entries on the youtube spin report blog comments, they do. Check out the last few spin reports to see what I mean. That didn’t come as a big shock. But it’s still nice to finally know the truth.
“Maybe people are doing it because they’re tired of being harassed simply for having an opinion on Netwinner’s forum. Or being told that they’re wrong or they’re lied to again. So, I don’t blame anyone who has chosen to post comments here this way. I choose to too! lol”
This is true. My husband and I are both leaving messages this way right now because it’s fastest too.
well mjp and the rest need to do some sole searching….wondering if “volunteer” mods can get in trouble for perpetuating a fraud if it comes to that
?
That’s a fine point of law that you should ask an attorney drew. I’m not one but I wish I was right about now.
I saw that some mods left last year because they didn’t want to be involved in lying to people anymore. I wish I could remember what site that was on. Anyway, each were told they didn’t want to lie anymore and were ganged up on and lied about by other mods. Each left in their own time. I would too!
would like to find out best way to go about it. i know theres no way probably to get money back but would be nice to stop them from being able to get any more money from people/partners/advertisers. when they owe so many so much.
Nothing like dinging them on Standard & Poor’s business credit reporting system either for non-payment I say! You can find it on Google. They shouldn’t get to keep their business credit rating if they’re not paying!
No these moderators weren’t very moderate were they? And they knew damn well what was going on. Shelly used to tell me stuff ahead of time all the time. I told her to stop doing that because she should tell all or tell no one. I turned my i.m. off after awhile because she didn’t get it.
Netwinner told them stuff, they told their friends and shut out the forum.
I tried to post that info about a month ago and was banned and lied about for simply trying to tell the truth. The whole Netwinner gang is something else alright. Oh and nice way to be a friend Shelly!
OMG! Brina did the same thing to me! Only I didn’t try to post it because she warned me my account would be closed and I’d be banned. She was pretty mean about it too! You told me Brina! Not the other way around??? I’m gona get in trouble for it???
Yeah man, the air is blue around here!
My GF has been playing NetWinner for the last year or so and she is really P.O.’d! She plays every day and has racked up over $200.00 in “winnings”. She has been waiting for NW to add money to her eCard since January and she makes it a point to frequently check her NW account to see if her “winnings” have been paid.
Just this morning she checked her account, and the “winnings” were listed as confirmed. Then this afternoon she noticed that she has a bazillion points and none of her unpaid winnings are listed in her NW account.
I’ve been ducking flying objects and trying to find out what is going on and I ran across this site. At least now we know what is going on. The sad fact is, there ain’t squat that any one can do about it.
As I read through the COO’s e-mail (BTW, it has not arrived in my GF’s in-box yet) it became apparent that NW has pulled a fast one and is going to get away with it.
With that said, I suggest we all take a deep breath and take a step back for a minute and look at this realistically.
First off, from a legal stand point NW doesn’t “owe” any one anything. You played for nothing because NW never took any money from you and you won nothing in return.
Secondly, it is obvious that NW has some pretty cunning lawyers on the pay roll. The COO’s e-mail is replete with legally phrased evasions and excuses that claim, “Honest folks, it’s not OUR fault.” “NW is the victim of fraudulent players and an incompetent outsourcer.”
Third, even if you do file complaints with the NC Attorney General, the FTC, the BBB, the CIA, the Boy Scouts, and the news media, all NW has to do is pull up stakes, move to another state, and start over.
With that said, I’m going to give you the same advice I gave my GF: Redeem your points and move on. If you win a drawing, fine. If you don’t win a drawing, fine. Since you had nothing of any real value in the first place, you haven’t really lost anything other than your time (NW will no doubt argue the “games” were purely for your entertainment which they provide free of charge.).
There are a few things that you can take with you from this experience: There ain’t no free lunch. If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is. Advertising is a con: All they want is your money, that is why you get bombed with ads while you are playing.
One last thing: My GF did get paid $75.00 (a check for $25.00 and $50.00 on an eCard) in winnings, so this hasn’t been a total loss.
I just tried Netwinners forum and get a 505 thing saying it doesn’t exist. So is this it? Is this the end and they’re just going to keep the money I earned? Are they kidding me!
This is just quite amazing….. It will probably be fruitless, but you bet I’m filing a complaint with the BBB.
I find it sickening, just sickening that a few who were so vocal got their payments in the last week. I wish now I had raised holy hell.
See the statements made in the forum about paying us do make it something to me. So do the prizes showing in dollar amounts on our account pages. You play/we pay is false advertising as well. Once again, my opinion. Does anyone else think the same or no?
lol I got the same email. I suppose it was inevitable given the scammy owners of the site. The sad part is there will still probably be people who play for the “drawings.” Hopefully people will stop trusting these scam artists with their time. Go spend it with your family or something, these guys are only out to exploit you.
That paying only the most vocal people thing also splatters hush money all over the place to me too. Someone here posted that they wouldn’t agree to those terms. Good for you! Netwinner probably hoped that you’d accept and then not tell anyone what was going on like it looks like they did with their mods and mod’s friends.
The more I learn about Netwinner as a company, the more I think those in charge and those that helped them perpetrate their lies belong in jail!
I am so pissed off. I was so expecting that money. Even though I knew there was a chance I wouldn’t see it. And yet people are still playing.. GRRr I am speechless I don’t know what to say anymore.
Wow I was reading the forum late last night and thought it was weird that there was no comments from Mike or the forum staff about what some players were saying. Now I know why.
The worst part is — I’ve been waiting to cash out so that they could get their heads above water. Now, it’s those who were trying to help that are getting s*!t on.
I know you can change your TOS, but that affects points earned going forward, not retroactively
Lie and rip people off much Netwinner? Yeah I’d say you do.
I can’t believe how they lied. How many times did they tell us, just be patient that everyone netwinner owed would be payed.
How many times did I stand silent while the attack mod dogs tore people up for what is clearly now ” the truth “.
The companies whose ads are playing there needs to be contacted.
Too bad this isn’t back in the day when people could be tarred, feathered and publicly flogged.
I dont under stand why people think its the mods faults.. they were only telling the info that was told to them. They are only at fault for trying to make the forum fun when the odds were stacked against them. Its the people that own the site that changed things.. not the players and mods.
It’s going to be okay–I doubled their bad karma points.
See above. The mods knew.
I AM SOOO PISSED RIGHT NOW I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR NOV 14 ECOUNT AND NOW AFTER ALL THIS TIME THEY SAY YOUR NOT GETTING YOUR MONEY THAT WAS PROMISED
PELASE EMAIL ME IF YOU GUYS WANNA TAKE ACTION AGAINST THEM THIS IS AGAISNT THE LAW IF A BUISNESS DID THIS TO YOU IN REAL LIFE IT WOULD BE A SCAM AND THEY WOULD GO TO JAIL
LETS MAKE SURE THIS BUISNESS DOESNT GET AWAY WITH THIS!!
THEY SCAMMED AND LIED TO US FROM THE BEGENING THEY MADE HUGE PROFITS AND NOW WANNA GET GREEDY
LOL @ Queen of the Universe! =D
Mike is involved in a bunch of these “free lottos” type sites and forums. I think I’ll steer clear of those too.
fc if you had left your email I would have emailed you for sure
I think we all need to contact advertizers of netwinner such as Procera, MSN, and CBS broadband, and maybe even Associated Press ad Voxant. I saved the addresses from clicking on the adds. I will be letting them know that Netwinner has cheated us and do they really want to be linked with internet scammers…. they should have paid us and then changed the redemptions.
OK, I have to post because I do not appreciate being attacked as a Mod on Netwinner.
No, us Mods did NOT know what was coming. And I don’t know who that is talking about Shelly; but me and Shelly talk every day, and she has NEVER told me anything about Netwinner if she knew anything in advance, which I doubt she did. The same for Brina.
I find it awful that anyone who said they were Shelly’s friend would say this crap about her or Brina. Just because someone is mad, you shouldn’t take it out on people who don’t deserve it.
Y’all can be mad at me if you want; but I think most know that I have never intentionally misled anyone. My mother, may she rest in peace, taught me to live by the Golden Rule, and that is what I do.
IF ANYONE HAS A LIST OF ALL THE ADVERTISERS OR EMAILS OF ADVERTISERS, CAN YOU PLEASE POST THEM
THANKS
mamajen sorry but the fact that you are a mod means theres no reason to beleive the post. nothing personal but i can only judge by who you associate with
We did not know until toda just like all of you were not getting out money either rather you believe it or not. Don’t take it out on use because its not our fault. If ypu wanna take it out on someone take it out on netwiner itself. When you personally attack someone because you dont get your way it is wrong we are all adults here why dont we try and act like it,
Look on the bright side of the forum being gone folks. Now no one from netwinner can lie to any of us anymore. They’ll have to get real jobs in the real world where that behavior won’t be tolerated by their employers. Maybe they’ll learn something.
Maybe fc’s email is in his/her profile?
Sorry mods but I’m not going to listen to you or even respond to you. You’ve lied to us too many times before and got paid for it.
After calulating 275 members with their points and awaiting prizes, it came close to $79,000.00 so imagine how many other members who are still owed. So the jackpot for over a million dollars didn’t exsist either because that should be in their bank if anyone wins, so this to me is a big BS and the company owes BIG TIME. They got paid for advertising so they should pay the players for spending their time playing their games. Yes Netwinner YOU PLAY AND WE GET PAID.
why are all taking it out on the mods you should be taking it out on netwinner not the mids. Im in the same boat as all of you but sdont blame and hurt the people that have nothing to o with the change
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Anonymous said:
Sorry mods but I’m not going to listen to you or even respond to you. You’ve lied to us too many times before and got paid for it.
Hahahaha! Lock the mods posts!
why are all taking it out on the mods you should be taking it out on netwinner not the mids. Im in the same boat as all of you but sdont blame and hurt the people that have nothing to o with the change
I got the bonus points today……..Netwinner is fooling itself if it thinks that people are going to continue to play at it’s raffle site. Hey let’s face it the games are boring for the most part. The only incentive was the dough. Now that that has dried up, it’s time for this cyber mercenary to move on. I just can’t decide what to do with my points. There is lots of upset people, I could wait and see where the class action, bbb, and other threats take us. But that could take years and cost thousands of lives. I could hope that Netwinner sees the err of it’s ways and actually begins to pay people. (Hell won’t freeze over fast enough) So for me, I’m leaning toward cashing in the chips for a chance to win a Bissel dust buster, or maybe a cool weight loss boot camp experience. If nothing else, I have enjoyed all the drama associated with all this. Netwinner was too good to be true, too bad we all found out the hard way.
Yah! Kick the lying mods out!
That’s tff, lololol
You can think what you want, Drew. You don’t know me, as I don’t know you. Guilt by association doesn’t go over very well in my book, though.
That’s like saying Jeffery Dahmer’s relatives are all cannabilistic serial killers.
not taking out on mods just saying you lie with the dogs you gonna get fleas….and i dont and have never beleived anything they have said. nothing personal just dont like who the mods took sides with…..
also laughing at the fact that there are still “volenteer” “nonpaid” mods in the chat forum still defending them
lololol
Nobody wants to know you mamaliar! Get lost!
Those mods are wrong and they know it. CYA much girls?
Too late! We know!
hahahaha!
like i said befor are the mods especially the “paid ” ones guilty by association if this turns out to be a fraud? we didnt know is a convieniant excuse …probably not your fault ,,,,but the history of how netwinner does business makes me believe that a good portion of them were more than just” free help”
but then what do i know i actually thought the would pay and then convert to raffle site
I would like to know how much money is REALLY owed to all the players, if Becky can make a colum and we can all put our points in then we can come up with a real total, then we can see if we can bring this to Judge Judy
wife was owed about 600 and i was owed about 150…..must be all that cheating they were talking about……at 100 spins pe day sheesh
no one ever said we agree with netwinner fact what they did was wrong. But done take out names its nto right we believe the site just liek you guys did. dont make it personal it hurts people and its not right blame NETWINNER NOT THE MODS WE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT IT!
NOTE : THIS THREAD IS FOR POSITIVE POSTS ONLY!!!:-0
If these mods think they are going to come here and keep lying to us we should really let them know they’ve got another thing coming.
We got screwed! Stop lying to us! Not even an apology from them for the way they treat us. Just more of the same crap from them!
People have the right to their opinions and for once you can’t do anything about it. Deal with it.
NOTE : THIS THREAD IS FOR POSITIVE POSTS ONLY!!!:-0
hahahaha!
At least I’m not afraid to use my REAL name here. Call me names if you want, but I’ve never lied to anyone.
Ok, I positively thing Netwinner and the mods are full of crap! How’s that?
All you (#*$&# should appologise to the mods for dissing them. How would you like mods to come online and tell them you all are a bunch of bitchers on the site.
Your not using your “real name”. Your using a forum name. Duh. Nice spin try though. I expect nothing less from you.
I second the motion, get out of here, go back to Net Winner they pay you so go play there.
Gee…a forum name…with JENJEN in it? Gee, I thought anyone could figure out that was short for Jennifer?
“All you (#*$&# should appologise to the mods for dissing them. How would you like mods to come online and tell them you all are a bunch of bitchers on the site.”
Oh that’s rich! They do it to us all the time. That’s a big part of the problem. We have opinions and a right to express them. Deal with it, bitcher. You really need to get out more.
What’s your last name, Jennifer? Without that, you’re not using your real name. Duh again sweets.
Yah! If you don’t want to give out your full name, don’t claim to be using your real name. lolol
jen jen is right …shouldnt bash the mods…shouldnt believe them either…of course i remember a quote from nameless paid employee on the forum site that went something like this ( ” when you see me leaving then you know its time to worry”)
wonder if his resume is up to date ….and if he gets a bonus for staying….me personaly i couldnt work for a dishonest company that made me lie for them
Go away mods. Nobody wants your lies here.
I’m going to stay wayyyyy over here and let you guys vent (it’s good for the soul), but I’d just ask you go to easy on mamajenjen. She was brave enough to face the lynch mob using her NWC forum name and I’ve found her to be nothing but kind and helpful on the forum.
If you’re angry, and no doubt you are, why not put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the people responsible — the paid guys in the office who came up with this new “business model.”
Mods — if you want to show solidarity with your fellow members, I’m thinking the best way to do that is to quit. Not telling you what to do, just saying that if you want to save face with the other members, that would be one way to do it.
Back into the shadows to lurk and watch from a safe distance,
Becky
If your still working for or Volenteering for NW then I have no pity for any of ya. With them paying Hush money and recinding our Ecounts for points, Accussing people willy nilly of fraud, altering the TOS to suit the failures, telling us to hang in there/keep playing the money is comming, blamming Ecount for not processing cards while Ecount is waiting for funds from NW to send out, and heavily dumping on anyone with concerns…..I would quit publically, beg for forgivness and hope you get your paychecks.
MY EMAIL IS ON THE PROFILE
Just like in any war the MODS do all the dirty work while the big jerk bosses hide and laugh at the mods…..LOL
I can’t believe NetWinner has reversed everyone’s payments and then are trying to force them to use them for shi*ty raffles. What a load.
becky your right i apologize to any mod who was treated differantly than the naysayers were at the netwinner forum..
im more angry with the paid employees as well
Becky,
Please read above. The mods knew and it’s all over the internet. It was put out there way before this stuff happened. So is the part about them getting paid with points for being mods. They deserve everything they’re getting here. At least their points are useless now too. Poetic justice I say.
Thanks fc!
Everyone,
Let’s all get together and email fc with what he asked for above. That’s how to get the ball rolling.
Mamajenjen, this is no place for you right now. There are a lot of very, very angry people here (and everywhere – google netwinner updates) and they are going to take their anger out on you.
You are a very good hearted person…just stop posting here and let it run it’s course. It’s a real mess. Drawings only was one thing but the reversal on redeemed points is a disastor. This will not end well.
Peeps, please don’t attack the mods..they don’t make policy and I have a sick feeling a bunch of them got stuck holding lots of points. If you are angry then direct your anger towards the company. Comments, phone calls and emails to them are better than angry posts to some nice SAHMs who volutnteer at NW.
Keep your focus.
Netwinner took our money! I suppose this is one of the great things to come they were always lying about. Jerks!
Don’t tell us what to think, say or do jetskimax! We’re mad at Netwinner and at how we are treated on the forum. We have a right to say so like others have said. Go waggle your finger someplace else.
Who ever gave personal information or photo copies of your ID should worry, they could be for sale because these people can’t be trusted.
I called Mike the Mod…..He said that Netwinner owed more than $800,000 to it’s members. Basically he said it was either this, or shut down the site. I asked him if the company was afraid of legal action, he said they would be protected by their TOS. He didn’t elaborate. I wasn’t rude, nor was he. I voice to him that I thought it was a terrible decision, he agreed with the non-payment part, but also said the site would be better in the long run. He still believes that going forward Netwinner is a viable site. Just some insight.
Scam!
If mods dont quit a no-good, lying company that has ONLY its own interests at heart,then there MUST be an incentive !!! Personally ,I couldnt care less wether they quit or not.I just do NOT appreciatte all the lies,I’ve been told over the past year like,” fulfillment is behind due to the company moving …….please be a little more patient and KNOW your $$$ is coming”!!!
Thanks, Becky.
I think people telling me what to do is a little farfetched. I am my own person, I am an adult, and if I choose to stay on the forum and make contests for any players who might choose to stay, I will do so. I am not Netwinner, nor an employee. I am just a person who likes what I do there.
If you all want to stay here and publicly lynch me, sobeit. I am not asking for anyone’s pity. I posted here knowing full well the fallout of my actions. I knew most would attack me out of anger for Netwinner.
But I could not sit here and let someone attack my fellow teammates for something I know to be false. I’ll gladly throw myself into the line of fire to do so.
” Canuck said:
Who ever gave personal information or photo copies of your ID should worry, they could be for sale because these people can’t be trusted.
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Oh man! Check your credit reports people and do it often! How awful!
So if someone had ever won the Jackpot (wich I even now doubt was possible at all) they’d been SOL.
Hold on, my GF is (was) a moderator, and I know for a fact she did not know before today what was happening. The company has been reassuring them that payments would be forth coming….was she naive, I’m afraid so…did she intentionally perpetuate fraud, absolutely not. Honestly, she feels pretty slimy herself today. And the majority of the moderators are not paid anything, they simply put their faith in a company that has now shown themselves to be nothing but scum. It’s my GF’s hope that the other moderators will join her and walk away. Netwinner betrayed ALL their members and we both hope that legal actions will be filed against them.
martyrjenjen
You’re so full of crap. None of this effects you personally. You don’t use your real name, no one knows who you are so you can’t be held accountable. No one can throw you under any bus. You’re so full of yourself!
petey if you gf does walk away i applaud her….its a shame because netwinner is a fun site that would work if it had honest and inteligant people working for it.
PEOPLE…If you have given NetWinner any information or faxed photo ID’s check with the credit bureau, they could be up for sale. A company that changes their rules and askes for personal information can easily say that they lost the information and can be sold and used to ruin your CREDIT.
Well…unfortunately some of my predictions and thoughts were right on the mark..The more “unnetwinner Love” ones I only communicated with freinds privately because there was NO way I could Ever have posted them on the forum.
I imagine there will be lawsuits involved with Netwinner and the Mods who categorically refused to stop saying “You WILL be paid” are probably wondering what will happen to them when this happens..I ask” was whatever you were given in return for the undying faith in netwinner really worth it?”Now the pretences can stop cant they? You may not of been paid Outright but there was some form of “rewards” involved..of that there is NO doubt.
Where do we “members” go from here though?News of this will spread across the Net like wildfire and it will Not be long before Netwinner is gone completely.
I for one do NOT believe the “fraud” scam excuse at all.I FIRMLY believe that this a just as case of (Like a pyramid scheme) Netwinner was making money hand over fist as were the ones who got in on the ground floor.Now the money is Not rolling in like water and the ones on the bottom tier(US) are left holding the bag.
Emailing the advertisers may be a good option but WOM is always the best way to get a message across.
That’s right! Our money earned is gone. Who cares about mod martyrs who are going to try and defend that.
You mods are something else. I won’t say what because I don’t use that sort of language.
You are absolutely right drew, it could have been a great site. As for my GF, she was finished as soon as she read the release. It’s deplorable what they’ve done, and we are both now eating the crow being fed to her. I posted only to say please be careful when attacking the moderators…no doubt there were some who knew in advance what was coming, most of them did not. That is all we will say and we will now return to our plates……..
This is beyond Judge Judy, considering those are cases in small claims courts and not class action. We need to act by means of filing complaints with the BBB, NC DOJ, FTC and local news media in Charlotte. In addition, a class action lawsuit in Federal Court might be an option, considering Netwinner not only breached the TOS in effect at the time of redemptions, but willfully misled its members into believing we would ever get paid.
“So if someone had ever won the Jackpot (wich I even now doubt was possible at all) they’d been SOL.”
Or Netwinner would claim someone won it to try to make themselves look like they pay when in fact they didn’t. I wouldn’t put it past them.
“And the majority of the moderators are not paid anything, they simply put their faith in a company that has now shown themselves to be nothing but scum.”
Yes they were paid. In the forum of free points for posting. If she didn’t tell you that because she didn’t think it mattered, it does. Those points used to be as good as cash. That equals getting paid.
“Honestly, she feels pretty slimy herself today.”
Well at least someone is admitting that. No hard feelings against your girlfriend because at least she had the guts to admit that instead adding flames to the fire.
well said petey. sorry if attacking all the mods is how its coming across. but realize that the mods …alot of them…were like stormtroopers on the forum site at netwinner when people dared to question the company….remembering the quote now “dont drink the kool-aid”
It’s OK, “Anonymous”; You can call me anything you want. Venting is good for the soul.
I am also one who is very upset with netwinner. Can anyone please list the companies we can email to let them know what netwinner has done. Do you think emailing the companies will do any good?
Since I can’t get into the forums at all today…. Can someone just tell me if Mike is out there saying he had no idea???? Slimeball.
WOW, it would be awesome if you people put this much effort into getting real jobs instead of waiting for handouts
-just a thought
i believe he didnt know till friday…but i could be wrong..thought i saw that in chat over there
Quote: and local news media in Charlotte
You are so right! I’m going to look up the numbers for news stations there and post what I find.
if you get the local outlets in charlotte see if becky will let you post them id love to contact them myself
I don’t need your permission to say anything mamamartyr. Remember, this isn’t your forum.
crawl back in your hole ANON. I have a real job. I just expect to paid for my free time that I put into this site after being reassured for 7 months they would fork over what was owed.
Waiting for handouts?? WOW, it would be awesome if someone wouldn’t hide behind an anonymous label to attack people they don’t know, all to stand up for a company that makes promises and then fails to keep their promises…in other words, operates a scam on people who in good faith watched ads while playing games thinking they would be paid for watching said ads.
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mamajenjen said:
It’s OK, “Anonymous”; You can call me anything you want. Venting is good for the soul.
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No apology from her about telling us she’s using her real name but she’ll act like she runs this place. You can … honey with that logic.
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Who are you talking to? There are a lot of anons here. That’s kind of a hostile statement to make to all of them you guys.
I was referring to the last one named ANON(all caps) who said:
WOW, it would be awesome if you people put this much effort into getting real jobs instead of waiting for handouts
-just a thought
I wish I was physically able to get a real job, Thankfully my wife makes excellent money. Regardless I still want what I was promised for months, Apologies for the lies they told, and a certified copy of the insured jackpot by a recognized firm before I’d even consider actually giving them more buisness.
You know I am getting sick and tired of people putting other players down stating they don’t have a job and all they do is play on netwinner 24 hours a day, for one I have a full time job and I was coming home from work and would sign onto netwinner to help me unwind from a very long stressful day which really helped and I thank netwinner for that. Now my wife is retired and has worked for many years and getting on the computer and playing a game of netwinner which doesn’t take 24 hours to play since you only have so many spins deserve to do what they like.
I am however very upset with netwinner for the simple fact they lied to all players not just 10% not 20% but all 100% about getting the money that you have cashed in and I do believe this would be called internet fraud, or internet scam and the feds should look into it and put the owners in jail for along time or until they pay every player that had cards coming their due amounts. I am not a person that hates but when you mess with money that is due me or my wife then you mess with my home life. We was counting on this for vacation. we saved our points until we had enough to start cashing them in and myself has been waiting for 6 month’s for my first card and I should have known something was up when I would send an e-mail to netwinner and they wouldn’t even answer me for a simple question on when were they going to process November’s & December’s cards and guess what no answer and there is no way with the mods or staff they said they have that could have been behind on answering e-mails.
Netwinner has no respect for people at all for anyone, they couldhave before they made any changes to netwinner is send out an e-mail to everyone to get them ready for the change coming up. Also honor all those who have already cashed in their points and get the money that deserve. My wife had about $300 coming and myself had around $800 coming and that took me over 1 year to get enough points for that much. With all the sights netwinner has as sponsors and see they only give you 100 spins so there is no way you can visit all the sponsors with the litle amount of spins they do allow you to have. They take away the 10 point and put in an entry spot and then the multipliers whould come up and if you hit the entry the you still only got 1 entry and not the X’5,X’10 OR X’25 wow now that was a real rip off, they then was giving you 10% of anyone you referred to netwinner of what they win but when they changed the 10 points to the entry you didn’t get anything from your referral if they hit the entry they should have atleast gave you the 1 point or if the multiplier came up for your referral then you should get what you was supposed to get. Netwinner didn’t think of that. Now one of my friends hit a $25 cash on the wheel so do I get 10% of that which should be $2.50 or what do they give you if anything. I haven’t seen anything from his winning the $25 last week I check my messages everyday and nothing it would say download from your referral but nothing.
I loved netwinner so much that I had it put on myspace, aol, and other sights I could think of to spread the word. I am also a manager of a band and on our web sight I had HAD netwinner on there to help spread the word about them. I have gotten family to join and now with this happening I am so sorry I ever did. I had a major open heart 2 years ago this July a 5 way by pass and ever since then I have been very sick and too the point I am about to lose my leg, I decided to make plans for a vacaion before this happens and save my winning just for that reason to get out of my state I live in and have some fun since I couldn’t for the last 2 years, my wife had a double bypass 2 weeks after I did so we both were down and out and netwinner was there to help pass the time away since we both couldn’t get out and walk or drive anywhere, we said finally we can go on vacation and have some fun for a change, THANK YOU netwinner for not letting this happen now we didn’t save any money up for this becasue we figured the ecards we was going to get for our wins on netwinner would be enough my heart is broken, this just might be the year I lose my leg and won’t be able to travel after that my wife doesn’t drive never has just me. I am sorry if I spoke my mind out but to a point I really didn’t because I was very polite in this I could have cussed and cussed i this but kept it clean. No I have to wonder if I can find another websight to play to win or stick with netwinner to see if they will change it back to win the money, I feel that even taking your points to enter them in to raffles doesn’t mean you will win, netwinner lied to everyone about the ecards what makes you think they are going to be honest about the raffle drawing and by the way how i the world do they draw them do they close their eyes and then point their finger on the screen to see what winner they will say it was this drawing. A raffle you get a ticket with numbers on it and you can see it and here on netwinner no one knows how they are drawing the winners. Okay I better call it a night before I really start getting more upset than I am right now and start to cuss.
heres the tv stations in charlotte
http://www.wcnc.com/
http:/http://www.wbtv.com/ /www.myfoxcharlotte.com/myfox/
http://www.wsoctv.com/index.html
ive sent an email and will follow up with a phone call in the am . if they look into it and say theres nothing we can do then ill just learn to deal with it
Oh no sweat. Having been a member of the NetLoser forum I’m used to it.
What the mods attacking members here don’t realize is that their attacks are inneffectual in this format. It’s just ass-covering. Not impressed.
Had they been able to put the fire out, then they could be called moderators on any forum. To this day they’ve never been able to do that. They just slap hands and lock threads. They don’t know what being moderate means.
As for netwinner they ripped us off pure and simple. Mods should have the common sense to know this is not the place for them to be right now. If they choose to be here they should evaluate what’s being said and why. Then not take it personally. Wait and evaluate before posting would of been much better than being defensive. Another fail on the mods part.
I made a complaint to the BBB on May 4th. The phone numbers of netwinner are posted on their site. They owe me 225.00. I am so angry! It is not just the loss of money, it is the fact that they lied and lied for months.
There are still some sites, Jeff, where you can get paid just for clicking. One of them is called BoomerTowne. You can earn $25 of gift cards in about 8 days with them. You can go directly to BoomerTowne.com to join, or if you’ll let me send you an invitation to join by email, I’ll give you some pointers that others have shared with me and some I’ve learned myself on how to earn the maximum points every day. Y’all know my email address: comparerewards@yahoo.com — just ask for a BT invite.
BTW, I checked the IP address of our ANON friend who thinks you all just need to get a real job — he’s posted here before and is a friend of Arion, NetWinner’s CTO.
I tried to file a complaint with BBB today and can’t get in so guess they are overwhelmed with others complaining. Good Luck to All.
Well i wont be e-mail nw with my complant, nw hired 3 of the mods from the forum to answer any and all e-mails that ppl send. Hell if they couldnt tell the truth on the forum do you think you will get it in an e-mail?
Companies who try to control the perception of their brand by censoring critics rather than fixing problems are just delaying the inevitable, as this whole sad story has proven.
I guess this is what we get for trusting a bunch of former porn dealers.
when I called BBB they said you have to file it online at http://www.bbb.org and you have to have their name, address and phone number if you can get the numbers
The topic in the chat room was cheating, and here’s Mike’s words about cheating:
MIKE [Monday, May 12 21:15]:
have fake referals
MIKE [Monday, May 12 21:15]:
hell
MIKE [Monday, May 12 21:15]:
i have fake referals
GEHIRNLOS has entered the chat
MIKE [Monday, May 12 21:15]:
from b4 i was hitred
MIKE [Monday, May 12 21:15]:
lol
Well, with moderators and employees cheating, it’s no wonder they couldn’t keep up.
Jeff!!
Its people like YOU that made me mad at NW.Yes I admit I wanted MY cashouts too..Money is tight in our house at the best of times and when I started playing it was so I could make a few extra bucks for things that I might not normally be able to afford.BUT when they started making changes left and right I pretty much said “Oh well I guess I am Not going to see my earned cash” But the more I had Mods (sorry but this NEEDS to be said) jump all over me for my opinions..and the more the “Ilovenetwinners” spewed their undying Love for netwinner( and the huge downlines they were getting points from that they neglect to mention)..well the madder I got.
I Was one of the ones who got a call…and I actually sat back for awhile and thought that Maybe NW Was going to follow through with their promises..I am Very sorry for that now.It IS my hope that some will still get their “prizes” but given the Fact that Netwinner believes that all they have to do is change their “rules”..Their TOS ,heck their Minds that they are free to what they please..without any repercussions,kind of makes that a pipe dream.
Jeff I say send as many messages as you can to as many of the Netwinner staff as you can..Google their names(they are all on facebook) and you will find many of them have “public” phone numbers and emails..
Tell THEM what you have told us..and maybe someone there will get beneath their greed and have a bit of a heart.
why would I make you mad for I only stated what was on my mond and how I felt yes things could be worse but I think as long as you have money large amounts they think they control the world and that us little pee ons owe them something. yes I go every 2 weeks paycheck to paycheck to eat and pay bill like most im sorry if my words made you mad wasn’t meant to do that. I am so upset and PO’d right now I wish i could eat and spit nails at someone for real but with very little teeth can do that either.
I like most have waited for months to hear that load of crap. In the beginning it was a great place to get extra money. At first it was 30 days, then after several months went to 60 days, now it was 6 months, to hear this crap. I read on bigbigforums that someone got her ecount card from 12-07, and she did not file a complaint. I redemmed 11-8 they were going out of turn. They can shove there points.
NONONONO!! Jeff not mad AT you..mad FOR you! I am So Sorry I didnt really make myself clear( I think faster than I type).
Its people Like you who really counted on that money for something special that makes this whole Netscam even Harder to swallow for me…Gawd I so hate it when “Bigwigs” step on the very people who line Their pockets.
Jeff, heres that info.
NAME: Netwinner LLC
BBB MEMBER: NO
CONTACT: Ms Jennifer Hinson
ADDRESS: 1427 South Blvd Ste 200
Charlotte, NC 28203-4261
PHONE: 704 347-8850
FAX: 704 347-8852
Website: http://www.netwinner.com
Jeff…I am literally sick at heart over your post. I’m sorry for your disappointment and said a prayer for you and your wife. I hope you have better days and that you finally get that much deserved vacation. God bless you.
oh okay i like that I think everyone needs to get together and maybe get an attorney or see if one would take everyone cases and just put them in thier places. my yahoo name is verylargeman4u if you would like to chat sometime.
Thanks drew, and yes I realize some of the moderators, were and still are, steadfast in their defense of Netwinner. And this may not be a good place for them to be just now, I did however want to relay my GFs apologies and regrets for having been involved. And I stand corrected regarding “payment”, yes the moderators were given points for their time on the forum. The ceased for my GF months ago because she did not post often enough.
If the company was in trouble, they should of just closed down. Not lie to ass and give it to us up the @ss without any vaseline. They should pay for lying to us and cheating us out of OUR money.
Jeff? That is a very interesting choice of a yahoo name..sounds alot like a “singles site”
Petey..Thank you for your honesty and candor..and I am glad that your GF saw fit to get the heck outta there…
This is such a letdown.I work full time and spent all this time for nothing.For months!Then to redeem while the $100 Ecount card was still showing and now being told I won’t get it!Seems to me Netwinner is the one frauding!I hope that’s not true and something can be done about this.
I so resent being lied to for all these months. We asked and asked for honesty from Netwinner, and got only…’things are going to be better’…’everyone will be paid’…’soon’… all LIES.
Each day that went by, I thought it would be forever before I received the $400 owed me. I now have 829,762 worthless points to show for my time. Shame on you, Netwinner staff. I hope you will be held accountable for this!
So where are the Netwinner Singers and brown-nosers now. I hope their voices cracked and their nose is permanentlu brown!
You can’t even close your account. They will still rack in the money and have you on the list to show the companies that they have ACTIVE members. Keep the points but let us CLOSE our account.
Canuck..I Know(about them still using our names) That is why there was a 180 day limit..to entice you to keep logging in and then they could say that they had X number of “active” members..one more scam I’d say.
In the letter from netwinner it says: “We have been forced to temporarily suspend our debit card redemption option as we pursue new options for points and prize redemptions”. I know I am pushing it but does anyone think there is any chance they may bring the ecount cards back later on?
We have to all work on this to let the companies know what is going on and they MUST CLOSE their sites it’s FRAUD 100%
I just emailed ecount letting them know that netwinner was blaming them, along with a copy of the letter. Maybe they have enough money to start a law suit.
Ann..not likely sounds like just another of the empty excuses..At this point they are most likely counting on the “complainers” just going away and the new members picking up the slack.
Nope, I wouldn’t hang any hope on them bringing back debit cards in the future. To me it’s just another method for them to continue stringing us along, hoping we won’t act before the statute of limitations would expire. And there is nothing anyone at Netwinner can say to me now to convince me they are legit. The only thing the mods are guilty of is not abandoning ship before it hit the iceberg, but Mike and the other staff at Netwinner are criminals and should be punished accordingly.
I’m pretty sure the mods got payed. I have a screen shot of the points leaders board and one of them had almost 700,000 points just a few weeks ago. Now when you look on the list his name is nowhere to be found. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out what happened there. So apparently Netloser does pay, but only to those who did their dirty work, and to those who raised a stink about their outstanding prizes. What a bunch of @-holes. Karma’s a bitch and I hope their comeuppance leaves them in financial ruin and has them cleaning crappers for a living.
Beyond? I have a pretty fair idea of who you are speaking of.. and alot of those points are from the huge downlines he has as well.But the mods getting points for posts sure does exlain why so many of them posted to every of the “Whoo Hoo Netwinner is great” type posts.
anyone else trying to access NWs forum? and finding that IF you Do get in there are NO new posts in any other forum than the “letter” posts and what will you do now?..Must be hard to keep people from seeing any other posts..
They locked it down. We have to find a way to warn all the NEW players as well. They started this and WE have to finish them. They shouldn’t keep their sites open and WE all have to email the companies, BBB and phone and do what ever we can. The more we email and phone then something will happen and they will close, that is the only GOAL NOW.
This is realy a gosh darn shame that they won’t pay us! What’s even more a shame is that people are still over ther playing the weak arse game. Why would I now waste my time playing there for only drawings when I can go some where else like POGO, They have way better games for the “Casual Gamer”. I wonder how all there partner sites are reacting to this BS
Thanks Canuck..I thought I was going crazy(er)
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Yes I too think that New players need to know what has ahppened to us old ones so that at least they can make an informed decision on whether or not they want to “click” on netwinners so called “games”..
the more I read that letter the more sickening it is..what a farce..and the man claims to be “candid”. Exactly How stupid does he think we are?
Here’s a good one for everyone to read, a Reuter’s press release from January in which Netwinner talks about giving consumers a choice and flexibility in the prizes that can be won. Another interesting stat, 75% of Netwinner redemptions at the time were for e-counts (this stat directly from the article), which means Netwinner’s most recent assessment that only 10% of members would be upset seems a little bit of an understatement.
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS146624+28-Jan-2008+BW20080128
WOW….. Ithink tomorrow I will drain the ecard JUST in case they cancel all those cards. I am not having a good feeling about them also.
10%??? I think that was a misprint It should of read 10% of the players will NOT be unhappy lol..
adn if I hear one more of them say how they Love playing the game I think I will scream!…It is NOT a game ..you Dont Play..you sit and watch numbers for what used to be a payment for watching a constant stream of ads.Geez
Canuck I was thinking much the same thing..But if Ecount actually Has the money then I think we might be safe..
Better SAFE then sorry I say..
The games….BORING…..the only appeal was the money. Now that it’s all over I can’t believe they will be around much longer.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Goodbye, Netwinner.
I was owed $100 in cashouts from as far back as November 29th. I wanted to complain to the BBB but their NC site is giving errors, maybe it locked up from the sheer number of complaints. I plan to keep trying!
The NEWS is spreading like FIRE
http://www.youtube.com/results?uploaded=d&search_query=netwinner
Won’t be long NetWinner
You Play and we Pay
Well players, we’re gonna F#(K YA now…. but we’re gonna F#(K ya SLOWWWWWWWWW…. pwahahahahahhaaaaaaa!!! Thanks a lot, crooks!!!
Can’t wait for Mike to come here and make one of his bullsh*t statements about how wrong we all are and what “great” things are in store. Jacka*s!
I’d kick Mike in the nuts personally but I don’t want my foot to be covered in sh*t so I’ll pass.
He won’t be coming here, I don’t think he’s that stupid. Of course all the mods knew what was going on because they DID get paid to tell their LIES. But that’s ok for NOW, we will have the last laugh, I am sure……….
Sorry to tell you this folks know your having a blast blaming us mods but no we were not paid to post
Oh sure he will. Maybe not right away, but he will eventually. He’ll tell us we’re all a bunch of ungrateful losers just like his anonymous associate did a ways up. Becky confirmed that person’s identity.
That sort of thing is very up Mike’s alley.
Yes you were. Mods received anywhere from 5,000 to 25,000 for being active so don’t hand me that. Nice try though. It’s all over the internet and youtube even so you’re full of it like the rest of them.
yeah ever hear don’t believe all you read?? Mod were not payed to post period
You should have no trouble apologizing to us all instead of creating more disputes then if you didn’t get paid. You’re supposed to give a sh*it about the players too and not just your con artist bosses you know. What a joke!
You people were never moderate. Look it up. Learn what you were supposed to be instead of what you were.
Yes they were. A mod already confirmed it. Nice try again though liar.
What makes me sick as well are the referrals I brought in and I am sure all you guys feel the same way – I am just embarrassed I brought my friends, family and aquaintences to netwinner..I also had to find this out on another game site I play on…everyone was talking about it in the forum and I was like WHAT…I was pointed here and I just can’t believe that they have done people like this
Yes you were. Another mod already confirmed it. Nice try again though liar.
No moderators moderate the way company wants it done not our choice. Sorry you really don’t know what your talking about.
We had rules to follow just as you did
posted above as anonymous – but forgto to put my name – so here it is
Hey guys, we’re all upset but please try to remember where you’re posting. Becky was gracious enough to allow everyone this venue to spout off. Let’s try to keep things clean.
Keep things clean???? – You mean like netwinner kept things clean with their members??? Is that what you mean by clean??????
That mod must still be thinking she’s going to get her points. Pretty delusional at this stage. Standing up for Netwinner and her fellow liars. You did get paid with free points for gift cards and you know it. People have confirmed it all over the place.
Can’t believe you didn’t even read this thread before posting. Other sites have the information as well. Too busy in your liar’s cocoon of immoderate behavior to bother having a look around you I guess.
Nobody is saying that Netwinner is clean or that we don’t have a right to be angry. thecommittee’s point was simply that Becky (Compare Rewards) is NOT associated with Netwinner and therefore we need to respect her website enough to keep the venting clean on here. It’s okay to call Netwinner a scam, but it’s not okay to use language that you wouldn’t use in front of your kids, parents, or someone else who might be offended.
” Anonymous said:
No moderators moderate the way company wants it done not our choice. Sorry you really don’t know what your talking about.”
Look honey bunches of fruitloops, my friend was a mod there at one time and can also confirm this along with the others who already have. Think I’ll send her an email to see what she has to say about your lies.
I wonder if they will ever reopen the forums. Haha prolly not. Man, this SUCKS a big one.
I did not come to cheer netwinner not happy myself but I’m not about to hear lies about what I got in pay for posting? All I came for is to straighten out a error in reporting
I do not want to clash with members thats not my point. I’ll leave it at that bash me if you like but this is not our fault we had no knowledge of what was going on till this morning!
Thank you to the people who have given info on who to contact. I also would like a list of the advertisers to send them letters if someone has that list and Thank you Becky for letting people vent.
I just have to vent about the people who come on and call people pathetic looking for hand outs. I quit work to take care of my mom on hospice. That is when I joined NW and a bunch of other sights to try to bring in a little extra money. I was pregnant with my second child and my mom passed when I was eight months – no one was going to hire a woman eight months pregnant. After the baby was born looking into daycare in my area for two was a ridiculous amount of money. I try to make a little extra money wherever I can to help ease our budget this does not make me pathetic I am not on welfare or any other government assisted program. Nor would I because I am choosing to have the family I have even though at this point I could easily qualify. I would put the kids to bed and log on to NW while doing laundry etc, it was nice to think the money I was waiting on would help cover months of diapers for #3 on the way. So yes I played because I needed that extra bit of money but even if I was independently wealthy I would be just as angry because they advertised it as We pay to play. I would not have spent countless wasted hours clicking at such a slow game and entering security codes if it was purely for fun because it wasn’t and if they didn’t have that slogan behind them if I just had fee time to play for fun I would have rather opened up my bejewled game. Yes it is a hard lessoned learned that I will not see this money but I think that people should definitely be held accountable for frauding people at such a level. For the man who’s gf was a moderator I have the utmost respect for her that she acknowledges that there was wrongdoing and hugs to her.
To mamajenjen I don’t respect you at all at this point you only came on here being defensive with no empathy for people that trusted your words — people would have more respect for you if you had admitted even though it was “unbeknownst” to you that this is all very crappy but you didn’t you actually are trying to make yourself look like a martyr. If I hit someone by accident I would still apologize for it even though I didn’t mean to do it because they still suffered from it. Too bad with the mods whose feelings are being hurt in an adult world you have to be accountable for your actions even if they were well intended – they were promoting something fraudulent.
I am going to stop babbling here cause I could go on and on. I just wanted to let the people who thought people like me were pathetic that they are the pathetic ones to come on and bash people who try to earn money (even the smallest amounts) honestly as opposed to the CEO’s at NW who have been sooo deceptive in their earning practices.
Throwing myself under the bus with jen too….I have to stand with her. We mods did not know this was going to happen. I had to log into IM when I got home from work to find out what was going on because I couldn’t get in the forum either. Just because something is posted on the internet doesn’t make it true. I’m not defending Netwinner for the changes, but I have to defend myself and the rest of the mods. You all are going to say what you want about us, but we knew when you all did. We know we are going to be in the line of fire, but I can’t sit here and let lies be told about us.
Hey everybody, do not forget that bobt56(very famous and mild-mannered mod at NetScrewer)always shared very founded wisdom with us with this quote: “Patience and persistence pays”. You can even find it at the top of his web page http://www.netwinnersites.com. Very many of the sister sites are his, as if you remember, many newcomers often joined at a sister site and his name was automatically filled in on the referral block. What a tactic!!
bobt,,, your wisdom and vocal accolades on the NWC forum leave me to believe that quite possibly, you are one of the sorriest homus erectus that god ever wrapped hide around!
In this case bobt, patience and persistence won a date with a flying banana that you and several others took turns piloting. It’s OK my friend, as karma will prevail!!
Let’s rather this wisdom:”Lies and perserverance slayed”.
Telling the truth is not bashing. Trying to hide it though says a lot about you. No wonder you fit in there so well.
I’m not bashing any moderators – that’s not where the problem lies at..the problem lies with the executives and the administration. Where are they at right now???? – Hiding…biting their nails…are they so coward that they can’t come and confront their members..the ones’ that have kept them in business as long as they have…
I have to agree. No matter how angry we are, we have to remember that this is NOT NW. As a matter of fact, Becky is the one that kinda helped everyone here and opened the story to start with.
So lets try to be a little respectful of her site and not start throwing F bombs and other cuss words around ok? It doesn’t do any good at all and only makes you look worse. We want to make NW look bad, not us…
lisa,
Your status as a mod just like your words are pretty meaningless here. You offer nothing of substance and just more self-defense tactics. That helps the players how exactly?
Yah lisa. That shows you give a bleep how exactly?
I fell asleep when lisa started talking. Wake me up when she actually has something to say about our situation and is not just covering her own butt.
Thank you, Rich.
The petty squabbling isn’t going to do anyone any good. The defenders will still defend if not netwinner then themselves and the anti-netwinners will still be angry and frustrated. You can relax, antis. Your “we-told-you-so’s” came true. We don’t have to live in the moderator’s skin, they do. Let ‘em.
These things will never change. There’ll always be the Queen bees and there’ll always be the worker bees. Right now there’s lots of other worse scams going on. The best and only thing each of us can do is try to learn from this experience and try not to bring our mistakes into our futures. How many have flocked to other game or earning sites without taking the time to check them out first? We need to take partial responsibility for putting ourselves in a precarious situation to begin with.
Take something positive away. Learn from this.
Ok, I sent the email to my friend. I hope she sees it when she gets home from work tonight or when she checks before she leaves tomorrow. I think you other mods are going to be sorry you came here and tried to lie about not getting paid.
To those that have fessed up on that, thanks. At least someone is no longer lying to us. I for one appreciate that and hold nothing against those who’ve made that admission.
Yeah. It’s those darned liars that kept us all hanging on in the first place!
Count me in as one hugely disappointed and frustrated Netwinner player. I really feel used and abused right now. I waited 5 1/2 months to get my last NW prize, so honestly thought the fulfillment problem was one that was just getting a little worse. Well, now that I’m sadder but wiser, I am also angry that not only will I NOT get $200 in reloads to my card, but also that I referred people and that so many others are getting the shaft a lot worse than me.
I have no hard feelings at all for the mods and think possibly only one or two knew what was coming (and maybe at best only one or two days prior) — there were some MAJOR adjustments just a few days ago which involved some mods leaving and others being reassigned. There’s no need to gang up on them; it’s pointless and unnecessary. They are not the villains here.
Of course, I’ll no longer play there or at any other sites they partner with. I have e-mailed all my referrals and expressed my regret and anger. I have deleted my “Netwinner page” on Squidoo and also deleted my “Netwinner Video” on YouTube. Needless to say, I am NO LONGER a Netwinner addict.
I wonder if “hardtimer” will make an appearance. She was one of the strongest supporters for NW. She was a real you know what too!
I’m not trying to “cover my butt”. I’m not happy with the changes either, trust me. I don’t blame everyone for being mad. I expect you to be. I’m just defending myself and the other mods against the outright lies. I didn’t say anything else, about Netwinner, about the posting, nothing. We did not know about the changes. And I know you won’t believe me, but we were NOT given points to post in the forum. I understand players being pissed off, I wouldn’t try to tell you to be anything other than.
I also never said it helped the players. We had no say in the changes and no warning. I didn’t come in here praising anything. If lies were posted about any of you, you would defend yourself too.
$375.00 gone – sit and watch advertisements for hours upon end, spinning a freaking wheel with the promise of a reimbursement – all I can say is WOW..I feel like a complete idiot – I really feel bad for my referrals – I had 2 that were very active – one on disability and in a wheelchair – This is just deplorable – sickening that people would do something to loyal members like this. I for one am going to be spreading the word everywhere I go. Word travels fast
Honestly what have you people lost but time???? and as far as being paid hush money I wish I have been so far in debt i work man jobs I do not appreciate the attacks
Nah, I wouldn’t. I’d give a sh*t about other people being ripped off more than I’d care about someone’s opinion of me, LISA. You’ve got a lot to learn.
We do not appreciate having our opinions squashed and belittled, being ripped off or lied to either cuffdaddy. Give a sh*t about the people for once instead of yourself dude.
Wow! Selfishly defend a company that ripped us off much cuffdaddy? You’re going to make statements about what we lost now and defend them? You’re no better than they are making statements like that.
cuffedaddy, your time might be worthless to you but I value my time and I beleive that what netwinner promised me for my time is owed to me!
Well Cuffdaddy..isn’t it nice that you can come here and express your opinions? See, we couldn’t do that at NW forums so we are FREE TO DO IT HERE and not get our account banned or get threatened that we will not be paid or whatever. See how it works in a real forum?
And remember when a few players received checks(Apr.4-date of forum complaint-you can google it and it will come up) that were dated so early that the players banks would not honor them!! mjp65 made a very sweet plea about batch numbers and somebody just not paying attention. Whomever you were, maybe that worthless check can and will be a very valuable piece of evidence.
So far I haven’t seen one of these “moderators” say one moderate thing here. I really don’t think they know what the term means. It’s all about covering their butts and lying for the company with them. Even now. Pathetic. No integrity or caring for others here at all from any of them. Just more crap. Big surprise.
I will defend a company that has done be no wrong, they help pass a little time.
And remember when a few players received checks(Apr.4-date of forum complaint-you can google it and it will come up) that were dated so early that the players banks would not honor them!! mjp65 made a very sweet plea about batch numbers and somebody just not paying attention. Whomever you were, maybe that worthless check can and will be a very valuable piece of evidence.
Done no wrong??? Hah! Where do you live and what color is the sky in your world?
I logged into the forum….It’s dead in there. I guess all the Mods are here.
Arion Hardison CTO of Netwinner the self proclaimed whiz kid……writing computer programs at age 12. Has says he has worked for Dell, Sprint, Bayer, and the Dept. of Defense among other companies. At 25 years of age he just sounds like a nerd who can’t hold a job.
Just an observation.
You don’t really think they will still pay you CD, do you? LMBO!!!
Cuffdaddy:
Enron did me no wrong….but I would have a hard time defending them…. Your moral compass is way off on this one dude!
How did you get into the forums? Noone has been able to log in there for hours at least.
Ive never been paid!
Dude, I was talking about your winnings. Do you think they will still pay your winnings? C’mon. What do you think we are talking about here? LOL!!
I just entered addy and let it load and load until finally it let me in
” Anonymous said:
Well Cuffdaddy..isn’t it nice that you can come here and express your opinions? See, we couldn’t do that at NW forums so we are FREE TO DO IT HERE and not get our account banned or get threatened that we will not be paid or whatever. See how it works in a real forum?
”
Amen to that!
Ah ok Buddy ty. I still can’t get it to load for me. Or when I do I put my un/pw in and it comes up with page cannot be displayed.
The problem with the NetWinner moderators who are posting here is that none of you have stated you will no longer be moderators and support NetWinner and their lies . This tells me more about you than anything else that you post here . You are defending yourselves , but say nothing about a group that is not paying between $500,000 and $1,000,000 in prizes won by members . This is who you align yourselves with .I am glad you are so pleased with yourselves . There are mods , as I type , still supporting NetWinner on Netwinner central .
As to payments to mods , I know bobt1956 was receiving 25,000 points per month . Every month , for several months , his point total would go up 25,000 after the first of the month . Some of the moderators were paid in points . bobt1956 is no where to be found on the current points leader board . He should have over 1.5 million points based on the points earned after the 11/5/07 payouts , but his $700-$800 won since then and redeemed was not converted to double points , and clearly , he was paid .
Stipend doesn’t ring a bell with you at all huh Jason/cuffedaddy? Last chance.
no it doesnt cuz i have never recieved one so sorry to dissapoint you
” Jack said:
The problem with the NetWinner moderators who are posting here is that none of you have stated you will no longer be moderators and support NetWinner and their lies . This tells me more about you than anything else that you post here . You are defending yourselves , but say nothing about a group that is not paying between $500,000 and $1,000,000 in prizes won by members . This is who you align yourselves with .I am glad you are so pleased with yourselves . There are mods , as I type , still supporting NetWinner on Netwinner central .
As to payments to mods , I know bobt1956 was receiving 25,000 points per month . Every month , for several months , his point total would go up 25,000 after the first of the month . Some of the moderators were paid in points . bobt1956 is no where to be found on the current points leader board . He should have over 1.5 million points based on the points earned after the 11/5/07 payouts , but his $700-$800 won since then and redeemed was not converted to double points , and clearly , he was paid ”
Yes, that was the stipend that translates to points that translated to cash in the form of giftcards.
You can stop lying now lisa, jen and jason. Others have fessed up. You should too. If you do, people would probably be willing to forgive at least that lie. It would be a step in the right direction.
One thing the males can say that NW gave us all: A free proctological exam. Thank you Netwinner! We love you Netwinner! You rock, Netwinner!
You’re only disappointing people by continuing to lie like a big rug Jason. You can stop lying any time you choose. It would be great if you did.
I was very disapointed when I logged in to NW today and discovered that the $175.00 I have been waiting on for 6 mo.s now has been converted to 375,00 gum wrappers. No wait gum wrappers might actually have some value.
The Owners of netwinner should be flogged in public and put in prison for grand Theft. That is what they have done. They have stolen from thousands of people and want to blow it off and claim they are the victims.
I think Jason’s forgotten what it’s like not to lie. He’s been at netloser too long!
I don’t lie there is no point too please stop making false accusations
LOL Softimer! That would be funny if I wasn’t so pissed
Not lieing..just defending a lieing cheating company. Nah, lie by association.
yah cuffedaddy go insult someone else’s intelligence. we’ve wised up here. don’t you have a bridge to sell somebody anyways?
Thanks for the OPEN forum Becky! I hope we don’t crash your server because of it’s newfound popularity, LOL. You’re great to allow all pov’s on this. Thank you!
” softtimer said:
One thing the males can say that NW gave us all: A free proctological exam. Thank you Netwinner! We love you Netwinner! You rock, Netwinner!
”
hahahaha!
I think it’s awesome that ppl aren’t resorting to swearing and being real nasty. Sure, there are some pretty strong opinions here, but see..people haven’t been able to express how they really feel about this situation and now that they are given the chance well it’s kinda like opening a dam.
Yes, thank you Becky for giving people the chance to vent and express their feelings on this. Because I’m sure that NW’s “staff” won’t be anywhere to be found for quite some time. And when they are, there will be another BS story about how they have had hardships and to please stay with them and they will pay, etc.
I hereby nominate netScrewer and all of it’s yay-sayers, execs, staff and near-sighted mods the 2008 Enron Clone Award!!
Ladies and gentlemen, let’s forego the applause, remove your caps and have 30 seconds of silence for the mass murders that occured today!!!!
well I sent an email tonight to a new channel here in ohio and hoping they will give me a call I am going to give them copies of everything maybe it will open the doors somewhere and someone do something about what netwinner did to everyone made promises and broke them. I’ll keep everyone informed on what happens when and if it happens.
I was banned for telling the truth. I was attacked by mods there for questioning the validity of rumours. But, man, do I have the last laugh because I also got a call with an offer to shut up – except I actually have the whole conversation recorded. I think my 5 minutes of fame may be just around the corner!
well i wish they would have called me but im still without my 600 and wife 200 if not more. this needs to be on the news to spread the word more and more about NW
I also want to thank Becky, she’s doing a great thing by giving people a place to vent and discuss what happened today, and she has worked hard in the past researching netwinner as well as other companies. I was always afraid to speak up in the netwinnercentral forum after seeing mod’s gleefully banning accounts of those who did not agree with what was happening there. I thought if I spoke up, I would be banned and lose my $100 in pending cashouts. (Guess I didn’t need to be concerned). I never cheated, and I feel bad for my referalls. I’m sorry to them for sending them to netwinner only to be ripped off. I do have to laugh at all of the mods boasting about the players needing to eat their words a few days ago when there were a small trickle of payments…who is eating their words now?
I love how you people judge me and do not even know me
You are usually judged by the company you keep…hmm seems fitting.
no not really, its a bunch of people whining cause they lost nothing but a little bit of time they were not forced into playing anything
If you’re unhappy about what’s being said here…LEAVE! Noone is making you stay here and read all the big bad comments. Geez, get a spine dude!
heycuffdaddy which mod are you
yes, Thank you so much Becky for allowing people to post here. It’s just ashame that it had to come to this
I have a spine which is the reason why i am here…..and by the way ITS CUFFEDADDY!
This is technically not a forum.. You are commenting on an article when you post.. Taking the piss out on the NW mods isn’t going to solve anything. All that shows is how much maturity you’re lacking. Why not keep to the plot and be pissed at the people who are really responsible for the crap we have been dished.
That last post was me
Eh, cuffedaddy/cuffdaddy/Cufdady/ ug whatever! Who cares at this point.
As I said, everyone here has a right to say whatever about this subject they want to (within Becky’s rules, of course) so you may as well stop trying to tell folks what to say and what not to say. Or just leave. That would even be better. Then you wouldn’t have to worry about what people are saying would you?
We would “keep to the point” if you would stop trying to make it all about you.
I have I ever once told people what to say????????????????????????
I actually get a chuckle imagining CUFFED-daddy leading the pack down through the corridor of cellblock C.
Fitting name. Coincidence or self-fulfilling prophecy?
“This is technically not a forum.. You are commenting on an article when you post.. Taking the piss out on the NW mods isn’t going to solve anything. All that shows is how much maturity you’re lacking. Why not keep to the plot and be pissed at the people who are really responsible for the crap we have been dished.”
cuffedaddy didn’t say this ..I did
I wonder what they are going to say to those that are still sticking around? I mean, you know there will be people that are still there..hoping to get their “pay”. Any ideas as to what the next “Letter from the Staff” will be about?
Ah ok then apologies, CuffEdaddy.
See? Maturity. I have no problem with it at all.
BTW..the above apology was me…
ya know making fun of someones last name could lead to defemation of character
ooh Im skeert. Your last name is really “cuffedaddy”???????
youd have to exhibit it first :0
Sue me…or us….or them.
Drew? Who are you? Who pulled your chain?
No my last name is cuffe….but it leads to judging people you guys need to grow up its leading to a personal attack now
Oops, sry…got a post ahead of myself. Sry Drew.
I think the Point Cuff is trying to make is not anything about defending Netwinner or the changes. We are all a bit taken back also on all this but still to see things posted that are not true like paying us to post and that we defend cause we are paid to is a bit much.
I’m sorry I enjoyed the forum loved helping members when I could but I also work full time and my forum time got cut back a lot. I’ve been a mod since almost the beginning and I can tell you we were not given anything to post. It was our choice and we were told to do as much as we were comfortable with. We were not employees only Mike was actual Netwinner staff We were there to help him and members as much as we could or wanted to.
So you see I’m not mad at anyone being upset or harboring hard feeling. We all understand the disappointment that members are feeling. I just want to say I was never payed to be on forum and post I just enjoyed helping when I had time.
Here is the new letter that they will be sending out to the players
Hello Netwinner players
We are moving to a bigger office for our dogs to run around and have more space for filing cabinets to place all the names of the losers who will be playing our wonderful site.
Our Mods and mini mods and lack of mods will do their best to huff and puff till they turn blue to make you feel like a winner while we are racking in the cash.
Any questions feel free to ask, don’t call us we’ll call you.
And remember place your points for the great prizes we have in store, which of course you won’t win, but hey, this is Netweinner
Thank you
NetWinner
COONUT
LOL! Yea, I can actually see that being done too. Very cute. Thanks for that Canuck
So sounds like some Mods were getting perks secretly while others of you were being kept in the dark. So hope you don’t consider your time and work equal to someone else doing same job or ya might get grumpy.
Again, any of you still working for or defending NW are Stupid or ethically challenged.
Everything is just fine at netwinner. Stop spreading rumors or you risk being banned from the game and forum.
This was just posted on NWCentral interesteing – I did not post it
after i received the email this morning, i called the state attorney general’s office and made a verbal complaint with them about this place
i also called every tv station in north carolina and told them about this place
and i also called netwinner and i was told that they only have 1 person answering the calls and he had only been working for netwinner 3 days and supposedly he had 300,00 points that he would not be paid for.
also he told me that they had to chose between turning this site into what they have or completley close it down.
i don’t believe a word they say.
also did you know that netwinner is not posting their phone number in information.
and they are actually called netwinner llc
and i have the 3 phone numbers for netwinner and i had to go through the state attorneys office in order to get these numbers.
i was also told by this guy, supposedly they were paying out 180,000 dollars every 6 months.
and that they had a lot of people committing fraud, by signing up with fake emails and then referring the false emails and the getting credits for that.
he also told me that they have changed their policy yet again and that now you have to provide your state issue id in order to get any prizes.
i told him that i would gladly provide my driver’s license to be paid and he said that with all the modern technology that anyone could make a fake id and submitt it get paid.
he also admitted to me that this company under estimated the growth so quickly and they were losing so much money that they had to something to save money.
the bottom line is that netwinner is on their way out the door to never return. and if you think that you will ever see your money, then i have a bridge in new york that i want to sell you real cheap.
i asked this guy, what do i do now, i was expecting this money, and that i have 3 kids to take care, and i was counting on this money.
his response was that “he was not that bad” i asked him what does he mean, and he said he meant that he was not that bad that he had to support 3 kids.
not that having kids was a bad thing. but he is a college student who has to pay 10,000 a semester and that he could not affor to support anyone else.
when i talked to the attorney general she informed me that in North Carolina it is illegal to gamble, they can’t even have raffles. and that she is investigating this company and wants me to file a complaint .
she also said that she had to have many complaints against this company, also she said that they do not have the best record with the BBB.
they have 19 complaints in 36 months. and i guess anthor 14 in the 6 months.
so if you want to called and file a complaint , i will leave the number here and i know it will not stay here long, but you can send me a message when this post is gone and i will give it to you.
here is the number to the state attorney general
1-919-716-6000
the 3 numbers for netwinner are
1-704-604-9726 this is the graphics department
1-704-347-8850 this is customer service
1-877-427-7706 another customer service number
you are better off calling the 704-347-8850 i got through right away
i hope this helps people that really dont understand
It doesn’t matter if anyone was paid or not. You all knew for months things were going downhill and not only did you refuse to remove yourselves from a toxic situation but you urged members to be patient, to hang in there and keep playing even while members were trying desperately to get answers and updates. You banned, belittled and threatened people. Those are the things you cannot deny you’re all guilty of.
Netwinner has made terrible mistakes that cost people thousands of hours of their time and every single mod that’s been active in the forums have contributed to the deception by staying there as a company representative, making excuses and urging people to have faith.
You all had choices and choices come with consequences.
I dont work for netwinner I am a donate my time…
Everything is just fine at netwinner. Stop spreading rumors or you risk being banned from the game and forum.
And so far as those forum bans and harsh words are concerned, Hardtimer was the worst one. She/He had a lousy attitude and everyone was below her/him. He/She sure is quiet now. Will probably still be there defending NW and passing out the ban hammer. She/he really loves his/her “job” or they are getting paid a pretty penny to stay if they do after this fiasco.
Just be patient. you will get your prizes. NW pays everyone. Oh… maybe not everyone… maybe just the select few of us… just keep playing and shut up.
No, that’s not her/him. He/she would have said…
“This is your last warning. You were told to shut up. Say another word and you will be banned”.
No, that’s not her/him. He/she would have said…
“This is your last warning. You were told to shut up. Say another word and you will be banned. Pay no attention to the man/woman behind the curtain.”
Sry again..dunno why I keep posting dupes. Ugh
Grow up idiots
lol…funny
Idiot troll is idiot
Do you guys ladies have nothing to do but attack people? come on now grow up
You first
LOL
Im more than grown up Im not crying over something free
Have any of you other mods publically denounced NW and quit yet?…then enjoy the pounding, Enjoy your useless points, crawl back to your masters and kiss thier butts some more, maybe then find some humility and do the right thing. Otherwise yas get no sympathy from me.
No, you’re crying over someone you don’t even know nor care about is talking to/about you.
Turn off your computer and step away. Go outside and get some fresh air, do some painting, learn a new tradeskill. With the economy like it is you will probably need to know more than one.
Useless? explain how your points are useless?
for me- points are useless for the crappy prizes offered that one has very little chances of winning,.
Um, the point is moot. Noone really thinks they will actually get any “prizes” for their points anyway right?
I think they will send out the prizes, this is just a change to make sure netwinner stays around and not go under because of people who like to cheat a company and then turn around and blame it on them
don’t even care at this point. Not going to sit at a computer and click away for stinking prizes that you have no chance in winning…never cared about the raffles anyway
Hahahahaa! Oh ahh stop! My stomach hurts from all that laughing!! Omy! You are a funny one
Well you see I use to have $450 owed to me but then suddenly today I have a bunch of USELESS points. I can dump them all into raffles along with everyone else who now has tons of rather useless points as well, making odds of winning anything completly laughable. And then there is the Jackpot, obviously was not meant to be won. Just another gimick to keep people spinning, generatting that big advertizing revenue while shafting the players that make it possible at all.
I’m betting records are being shredded at Enron speed certain Hard drives are being introduced to Mr. Electro Magnet by now anyways, So long NW, was fun once.
No Jeanene, you’re just lying to people.
huh? the writing has been on the wall for a long time. NW is going down the tubes…stop kidding yourself. WHO wants to click and click and click and click for raffles? geez…I prefer to go volunteer somewhere
Yes, it was fun once. Then they got greedy and now this happened. I don’t look for them to be around more than another month. Sad really. I actually got my GCs and within a decent amount of time. This was like beginning of ’07 I think. Was a long time ago. I think they just got greedy and thought the sheep would be around forever and just spent all that money on stupid green ballarina outfits for the guys and green outfits for their dumb dogs. And all that new video equipment to make the “spin reports” with. Gawd!
” mjp65 said:
Everything is just fine at netwinner. Stop spreading rumors or you risk being banned from the game and forum.
”
Like that means anything. Moron.
netwinner is not going anywhere
NETWINER STARTED BACK IN JULY 2006
IT’S NOW MAY 12 2007
CALCULATE THE AMOUNT OF DAYS IT’S BEEN UP AND RUNNING…
666 DAYS
http://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=7&d1=16&y1=2006&m2=5&d2=12&y2=2008
um its already gone it just dosnt know it yet
Hopefully to jail call the attorney general everyone:) # posted above
Let’s all post as mjp65 because it’s about what he’s worth. hahaha
I really wished I did get all these stipends i have been accused of
Can I make a suggestion?
All this anger and frustration…channel it into positive action.
At the risk of being threatened with a lawsuit again, I’m going to remind you who you need to contact.
***1.*** The NC Attorney General’s Office. DO THIS ONE FIRST. Call 1-877-566-7226. I think they’ll take a verbal complaint but either way, they will require you to print out and complete the form located here: http://www.ncdoj.com/DocumentStreamerClient?directory=Forms/&file=stancom.pdf and send it to the address on the form. If you call, they may have a fax number. You will need the following information:
Full name of the company: Netwinner, LLC
Mailing Address: 1427 South Blvd #200
Charlotte, NC 28203
Internet Address: (duh) NetWinner.com
Phone Number: (704) 347-8850
Fax Number: N/A
Section 3 will be a lot of N/As. You may want to include your cashout dates or your dates of membership.
In Section 4, you’ll want to check off the options for “I responded to a website or email solicitation” and “Via computer.”
Section 5: SIMPLIFY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. For instance — use your own words — They promised, “You play, we pay” but after cashing in the points I won from playing their online game, I waited 5 months for my prize. They repeatedly changed their terms of service as they became progressively late in payments. They continued to promise payment until yesterday, when they returned my points and said they wouldn’t pay me.
Section 6 is how you’ve handled it up to this point.
And last, if you have screenshots of your earnings, your redemption history, or anything else to back up your claim, include a copy.
If you’d like to provide them with a link to this site or to my email address — comparerewards@yahoo.com — I will be more than happy to provide the details I know.
I know nobody likes to have to go to the hassle of printing out and mailing in a form — it’s not the instant gratification we’re used to in the digital age — but this is the procedure if you want to get something done about this.
The AG’s office is THE BEST AVENUE FOR DEALING WITH THIS. If NetWinner committed fraud, the AG’s office is full of lawyers who prosecute companies who break the law. The BBB is not.
2. The local media. Can they get you paid? No. But they can certainly bring these guys under scrutiny and possibly speed up the process of getting the AG involved. Here’s the Wikipedia article on Charlotte, NC’s media, with direct links to the TV stations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_in_Charlotte%2C_North_Carolina
3. BBB. Probably a useless step but at least it’ll go on NW’s record and will help warn others away. It’s located here: https://odr.bbb.org/odrweb/public/GetStarted.aspx
4. FTC. This would be to report false advertising, if you think that’s the case. Here’s their website: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/bcpmp.shtm and here’s where you can file a complaint: https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01
” cuffedaddy said:
Useless? explain how your points are useless?
”
The days of anyone having to explain anything to that thick head of yours are over Netloser. You aren’t in charge here. The people are. Viva la revolucion! Now why don’t you go where someone believes you. Try calling your Mom. Unless she’s a member. Then you’re probably screwed there too.
Don’t like it? Don’t lie to us and don’t start the crap. All your pot stirring isn’t helping anyone. You have no right to tell people what is and is not correct here. You lost that right when you lied and accepted payment for it.
Try being helpful and care what happened to these people for a change. You’re a sad little man.
i just thought i would share some information that i found out about netwinner.
after i got the email that everyone did, i contact the BBB and they told me to contact the state attorney generals office, so i did.
she told me that it was illegal to gamble in north carolina and that is where netwinner is based. she also told me that they can’t even have any raffles or even bingo.
then i contacted netwinner. which real name is netwinner LLC
and talked with a gentleman who said he was hired 3 days ago just field all the calls and that he to was once a player and he has supposedly 300,00 points that he lost to.
then he said that this company had a choice to make and they thought about it for about 3 months, and they decided to change things to the way they are now. and it was either this or close completely.
and he said that they were paying out 180,000 every 6 months.
and i told him that i was expecting that money and i had 3 kids and what i suppose to do now.
his response was “that he was not that bad” and i asked him what did he mean by that he said that he didn’t have to support 3 other people and that he could not afford to support 3 other people.
he is a college student who has to pay 10,000 a semester to go to school.
the state attorney generals office told me that they needed more complaints about netwinner LLC before they could do anything
so here is the number for the state attorney general in north carolina
1-919-716-6000
and i have 3 phone numbers for netwinner llc
1-704-604-9726 this is the graphics department
1-704-347-8850 this is the number i called and got through right away
1-877-427-7706 this is their customer services number
so everyone call the state attorney generals office and file a complaint.
also the BBB does not have a good rating for this company.
19 complaints in the las 36 months, 14 in the 6 months.
the guy i talked to said that the reason for the change was because there was to much fraud going on and that they had to stop it.
and they even started a new policy about sending in your id before you get your prize.
well i offered to send them my id to get my prize, and he said that his hands were tied and that the decision was final
they also deleted my post with 20 minutes of me writing everything that i have posted here.
whatever happened to freedom of speech.
anyways, if anyone wants more information just send me an email
thanks
just thought i would add a little here, because i posted everything that i have said here, in their posts, they then deleted what i had said, then i went to check to see if i had any new private messages
newinner llc disabled my account and now i can’t get into my account
see this just goes to show that if they don’t like what we have to say they just get rid of it and close your account
Finally! A helpful person in charge who’s being productive and proactive for former Netwinner members. Thanks Becky! I urge you all to take action as she’s suggested and thoughtfully given the blueprint on how to do it.
I’ll be back later. Much to the mods dismay.
Power to the people!
wow id like to know when i told people what to say please inform me
laughing that netwinner is senddng their stormtroopers (i mean mods ) in hear still..and they are still obeyinglolololo
I didn’t send anyone here. They came here on their own.
lol
Better rush back to NWC mods, Your missing out on editting and banning. Feed those egos…go go.
Would it be wise to stop playing immediately as to continue would be an agreement to the new terms? I doubt anyone will ever see any of the monies owed but it would be its own sweet reward to get justice for this duplicity.
I’m not playing anymore. The ones still playing….will eventually stop when NW becomes NW ghosttown
GOOD POINT! I had meant to make it myself!
I haven’t gone through the TOS yet to see what changes might have been made but in the past it said that continued playing of their games meant acceptance of the new terms.
If you’re not happy with the changes, I’d strongly suggest that you NOT play the games anymore, in order to preserve your rights…if you didn’t give those rights away, along with your first-born child and a pound of flesh, in one of their earlier TOS revisions that you accepted without knowing about it.
still waiting for answer
newinner has completely disabled my account and i can’t even get to my private messages.
can someone please send a pm to geek mom and tell to send me an email please. timmsa2001@yahoo.com
what happen to the freedom of speech. and i guess what their employees
tell you is just a bunch lies, because Hardtimer and cuffdaddy says they are.
I’m a boot-licking NETWINNER mod!
WHATEVER MJP65 SAYS FOR ME TO DO…I DO! sieg heil!!!
laughng that netwinner keeps sending the drones over to try to suppress……
Jason, please just grow up your post are pointless and annoying go back to the forums and write to your hearts content. Someone there will eventually pat you on the head and say poor baby you’ve been picked on too much. No one is going to do that here so move on.
I apologize to Becky but for fueling this further I am just getting tired of this guy.
wondering how mjp65 can live with himself in the morning…ooo wait forgot. its his job
no wonder nothing much is going over there at netwinnercentral…… seems people have stopped playing the contests as well
Can somebody compile a list of current NWC mods? I’d like to put together a Hall of Shame. Thanks.
no wonder—it is kind quiet over there in netwinnercentral. No one seems to be playing the contests over there except for one mini mod
ive done nothing wrong. at all and if you can prove otherwise personally that I have done something wrong please do so
currantly listed as logged in mods
jeanene
shellyo21105
cuffedaddy
i know there is at least 1 person who is playing, coca because she likes to watch the adds and nothing else.
Also she likes to watch the grass grow remember.
she was just joking. read the rest of her remarks on the threads
god i just realized i have the effin tolbar…does that mean im going to suddenly want to do things that ignore reality?
goanon said:
Jason, please just grow up your post are pointless and annoying go back to the forums and write to your hearts content. Someone there will eventually pat you on the head and say poor baby you’ve been picked on too much. No one is going to do that here so move on.
I apologize to Becky but for fueling this further I am just getting tired of this guy.
od ole anon id love to go back there annd post …but i hardly post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
can see what is going on in nw chat
getting tired of me? is that a threat?
no cuff not a threat just an opinion…but you dont know what that is being a mod
kind of hard for me to read the rest of coca’s posts, i got banned because of i was posting the truth about what i was told on the phone today by one of netwinners flunky’s. who was just hired 3 days ago
lol
Paranoid much?…
ROFLMAO — they disabled my PMs!
Oh my gawd, the smell of desperation in the air!
now I see that PM in NW is now disabled.! Starting to look as if nazi’s run the site now
wow this is really spooky how much the resistance is from the mods. thought for sure there would be some soret of morality. well i guess the ecard is mightier than the sword
i am der fuhrer
Guys, please stop with the bashing of Netwinner or else I will be hit with a lawsuit
guess they are rethinging the “keep the forum open” policy
no forum ….what will mjp have to do then?
Alllllright, no faking of comments from the site owner, Jason. Not cool.
cuffedaddy said:
no not really, its a bunch of people whining cause they lost nothing but a little bit of time they were not forced into playing anything
i have a comment about the above,
nobody did force us in to playing at your site, but netwinner did promise us prizes and cash for getting the points we earned.
netwinner has used everyone to get the advertisers money that are paying to be on their site.
i feel like the crocadile hunter..
crikey!! and the ever elusive ligitimate casual gamer site is in its death roll now….you can tell by the way its mods are screaming..”were okay were okay” …as the sun goes down on the out back….but wait…off in the distance is the one paid forum employee with his mateing call ” i didnt know i didnt know!!”
oooh wait its bareing its teeth now in a last ditched try to strike out ” i wont let you play i wont let you play!!!!!!”
alas its to late its lack of intelligence…poor respect for its peers..and its simple over estimate of its groinal importance has lead to its demise..
How is that a threat? Not even close I was just saying I am tired of your posts trying to challenge people like the one you just posted. You are just sooooo defensive. I think you have a lot of insecurities. People are not crying over something that was free and time is precious to many of us especially since those games were not fun to play. Being lied to is not right which is what netwinner did and being a mod and brushing off what people feel is annoying, defensive and immature.
Interesting reading for mods on Aiding and Abetting: http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/aiding_abetting_accessory.html
“…anyone who helps in the commission of a crime.” Better hope the AG’s office doesn’t find NW committed fraud.
oh and to the fake becky post….what makes you think they are paying their lawyers any better than their players.
i think mjp handed out cyanide pills before 5/12
in case they get caught
cuffedaddy- shame on you! I am one person not “crying”. I feel cheated . I can’t count the times NW promised- We have always paid, etc etc….and bam! they take your prizes (processing) away and give you worthless points for crapola that you will not have a chance of winning.
well she did say that she was going to be investigating them and that gambling of any kind except the state lottery was illegal in north carolina
u may feel used that is okay but what is attacking us gonna do ?
cuff who is being attacked the mods ? i say opinions not attacks sorry free speach and mods dont compute i guess
i guess i should be scared cuff might report me to mike and then i wont get all the money owed me for another….oooh wait never . i forgot
drew, but you’ll miss out on the raffles!
hehe
Your still associated with them, you choose that, in doing so you get to take the crap. Taste good does it? I’m sure there will be lots more, Open wide. MMMMMMMMM Here comes the Choo Chooo., Mmmmm
We haven’t heard a peep from Bobt, Bonz, Hardtimer or Holly since ‘the excrement made physical contact with a hydro-electric powered oscillating air current distribution device’. Choking on crow, perhaps? C’mon Bonz, we’re all waiting for one of your trademark zingers…we’ve been used and abused- don’t deprive us of your biting witticisms as well!
you all have named names all night …so I do not want to hear excuses
hey cuffedaddy, stop being my little bitch and do the right thing for a change.
Guys, what did I say let this go!!!
becky’s right. no point. NW will soon be dust anyway….
thats great Mjp LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO funny LMAOOOOOOOOOOoo
For the person who suggested this may be a form of gambling in the state of North Carolina, it’s been brought to my attention that unless there’s the following three elements involved then it likely wouldn’t be gambling.
CONSIDERATION: Players must pay something of value to be eligible to participate.
PRIZE: Could be anything of value, including money.
CHANCE: The outcome is not determined by skill.
The California Supreme Court ruled that consideration requires paying money for the chance to win. Since players are not paying a membership fee or any other charge to participate in the games, it’s doubtful it would be considered gambling.
That’s fake Becky again.
And no, y’all don’t have to let this go. Goodness knows you can’t vent on NWC.
I would make one teensy little request, if you’d be so kind: while I’ve gotten several big laughs out of the pseudonyms, and *I* know which ones are fake, the folks coming along to read this hours and days from now may not. If you want to be anonymous or Mickey Mouse or whatever, that’s cool, but if you could avoid using other people’s names as your own, I’d appreciate it ever-so-much. Thanks.
Okay, now back to your NW-bashing. (steps aside)
“no not really, its a bunch of people whining cause they lost nothing but a little bit of time they were not forced into playing anything”
So your saying if your boss decided not to pay you for your 2 weeks work and said your check was delayed for a bit. Then after the next 2 weeks said “from now on your a volunteer” and all your earnings till now will be replaced with a $1 lottery ticket. You wouldn’t whine and walk away like nothing happened?
Remember..your boss never forced you to work..he only gave you work and you did the work out of your own free will..all you lost was a bit of your time..no?
And your probably gonna say NW isn’t a job and its different..yes thats true it is different..BUT the two would be exactly the same no matter how you look at it.
Should also add, Becky’s post her name is a link, the fakes are just text. Sad try NWC goons.
Quit them now and reclaim a little self respect would you. Of course who knows what crazy incentive they’ve promissed those gullable fools to defend them now. Not that they’ll get that either. Working for NW now in anyway means your stupid or unethical or both.
These NetWinner mods are something else . They come crying over here , yet on Netwinner central , good ole mamaenjen is locking threads left and right . It’s clear where they stand . $500,0000 to $1,000,000 in winnings were not paid to players , but you can bet Mike ( mp65 ) and all the others that work at NetWinner got paid .
What a bunch of losers . They say , we just love doing our contests and helping people . The only people they helped were the owners and employees of netwinner to get a check by ripping us off . If you mods like each other so much , why don’t you form a group at a reputable site like yahoo or msn ?
Please don’t lynch me until you’ve at least read my post..lol
Most of you I hope know me well enough to know that I have always answered you the best I could and as far as I know I have always treated everyone with the respect you deserve.
I will say that I am also very upset about what has happened today. I do not think it was right to take cashouts that players have been waiting for and reverse them back into points. As I have told you before my husband and I have been waiting for our cashouts since the middle of november.
I knew nothing about this disturbing turn of events until my husband logged in and noticed he had a lot more points than he should and didn’t know where they came from. We received no email. I have been trying to login to the forum since 3pm but couldn’t get it to load, I’m guessing because so many are trying to login. Finally it loaded long enough for me to read the main post for the day to get some idea of what was going on.
I have since sat here and read all the posts here which I do agree with how you all feel and you do have every right to be very upset with the company and take any action you see fit. The only post I do not agree with is one in which I was personally named. I have never warned anyone with having their account closed and being banned. I also have never “been really mean” to anyone in my life. To begin with I cannot close accounts and I don’t think a player should be banned for expressing their views or opinions that is what a discussion is. I am a person that will do whatever I can for anyone and then usually get crapped on in the end for being so nice. Like many of you, my husband and I are both disabled. He has severe heart problems and has had 5 heart attacks in the last few years, with bypass surgery and now has a defibrillator implanted in his chest. We don’t know from one day to the next if it will be his last day here. So yes with all our medical problems we needed those cashouts that we won’t receive now.
Lastly, just because you see moderator or admin status next to a persons name on the forum does not mean we are told about things like this before the players are. There has been many times the players have known things before I have. I have not discussed any changes, good or bad with the company. The company and even other mods/admin do not discuss everything. I do not sit here all day and converse with anyone unless it is to find an answer to a players question that I don’t know. I spend my time creating contests that hopefully the players will have fun doing.
ok, I guess now ya can all lynch me
I locked one thread. Just setting the record straight on that. Good night all.
I will vouch for Brina being a good person , even though I have never met her . Convince the other people here and at NetWinner of that by not being a part of that dishonest site . Seeing anyone stick up for them is pathetic .
I’ve only heard from one Mod saying they are done with NWC here. The rest still defending NW or themselves. She begged for forgivness and said she felt slimey.
So Mods, Sticking with NWC or gonna tell us you have spines and quit them? You can keep all the friends you made there you know. NWC can’t take them away from you. COntinueing to work with NW in anyway just fuels the fire for us.
If your staying with NW then please tell us why? I can think of no reason you guys would unless there was finacial incentive to stay, and it would have to be alot. If so I would think that you must consider you’ll never see it. Or I’m completly wrong and your all so deficient in grey matter you still think it’ll all work out.
Hey Mods/Admins, could you please explain to us why pm’s are shut off at NWC?
Far as I can tell it’s because people were organizing legal action and trading addy’s of other gameing/pay sites since NW is melting down like a wax museum on the sun.
LOL I guess those brainiacs think they can stop all this by turning off the pms
” Aaron said:
Better rush back to NWC mods, Your missing out on editting and banning. Feed those egos…go go.
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Hahahaha! Perfection again!
Quote: I think they will send out the prizes, this is just a change to make sure netwinner stays around and not go under because of people who like to cheat a company and then turn around and blame it on them.
How do you sleep at night still defending them? Jacka*s!
All I can say is LOL @ Netwinner having a Multiplyer Day tomorrow!!!! Do they think that will appease everyone?
They keep your money and use it to pay the propaganda machine aka line their own pockets with paychecks. How nice for Netwinner and how terrible for it’s members.
Paying yourself for lying to people Netwinner. Just when I thought they couldn’t stoop any lower…
EESH!, I got a 5000 point win yesterday, plus not to shabby other points overall, thought to myself, Maybe NW really gonna smarten up. Now I know why the points came back suddenly. The points are useless, might as well hand it out freely.
I am VERY pissed about the situation as I was owed $325 Beginning with Nov 10 cash outs. I knew it was money I wouldn’t see when payments ceased on March 13th. It is still fraud. I played in GOOD FAITH according to the TOS (which changed more than I changed baby diapers). To see a mod stoop so low as to insult ALL the players who played on a site that HE supports is just more proof he should NOT be a mod. How RUDE to say, oh it was nothing but time. I don’t know about him but I value my time and the hours spent earning my ecards in GOOD FAITH. I can’t even stoop that low on the ignorance pole to grasp his mentality or thought process.
The forum is now a ghost town except for those mods who are showing true colors but supporting a company (over here I might add lol) who has down right STOLEN from the players it got paid from. If I had been a mod, I would have resigned and run like forest gump as fast as I could away from it.
Netwinner lost THOUSANDS of players which means they lost money from the ad clicks today. I will search EVERY forum I can where I have seen netwinner post an ad to let those forums know what a fraudulent company NW is and do NOT join!!
I also feel sorry for all those who put their time and effort into building affiliate sites with Netwinner.
The least NW could have done was mailed us all some vaseline before we got bent over!! I didn’t even get kissed first!
” Becky said:
Can somebody compile a list of current NWC mods? I’d like to put together a Hall of Shame. Thanks.”
No but I’m sure someone else can. In the meantime, enjoy this composite picture of them: http://img1.jurko.net/1501195.jpg
” cuffedaddy said:
getting tired of me? is that a threat?
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I guess it would look that way to you because you threatened and then banned people when they had an opinion. You’re lucky. You’re on an open forum. Learn something while you’re here besides propaganda and defensiveness.
People are saying these things to you for a reason. If you bothered to or even cared about them it would be a good idea to think about why they’re saying them instead of trying to spin their opinions into threats. That’s a pathetic reaction at best.
“now I see that PM in NW is now disabled.! Starting to look as if nazi’s run the site now”
What do you mean NOW? They’ve always been suppressive of other people’s opinion. They’re in a foreign country now and don’t know how to speak the language. Better learn mods, better learn. We are not going to take your crap anymore!
Quote: no forum ….what will mjp have to do then?
He’ll have to face the fact that he doesn’t run the world then. Oh no! hahaha
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Interesting reading for mods on Aiding and Abetting: http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/aiding_abetting_accessory.html
“…anyone who helps in the commission of a crime.” Better hope the AG’s office doesn’t find NW committed fraud.
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Ohhhh yummy! Thanks Becky!
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cuffedaddy said:
u may feel used that is okay but what is attacking us gonna do ?
May 13, 2008 12:57 AM
drew said:
cuff who is being attacked the mods ? i say opinions not attacks sorry free speach and mods dont compute i guess”
It’s not “same stuff different day” anymore Jason. People aren’t going to let you get away with your spin here. Is that all you know how to do? No apologies for these people? No conscience on you at all is there?
Quote: cuffedaddy said:
you all have named names all night …so I do not want to hear excuses
Who the hell do you think you are? We don’t want to hear anymore lies. I’m starting to think you were born through the backdoor and not the front. It’s the only thing that would explain such arrogance!
Quote: Becky said:
That’s fake Becky again.
And no, y’all don’t have to let this go. Goodness knows you can’t vent on NWC.
Thank you Becky! It’s great to be at a forum where all points of view are appreciated about Netwinner’s actions for a change. Shocking but true mods, the internet is really like this. Filled with people who care about someone other than themselves. What a concept this must be for you all to learn for the first time!
Is BrinaNazi writing propaganda now too? Poor baby. I bet she’s figured out that she at least needs to pretend to care. Wake me when it’s over.
Her lies are sickening.
Quote:
mamajenjen said:
I locked one thread. Just setting the record straight on that. Good night all.
We expect nothing less from you. If you could be honest with people, locking threads wouldn’t be necessary. Can’t have that though can you?
Another sad excuse we won’t buy mamalocklock.
” Jack said:
I will vouch for Brina being a good person”
I will not vouch for Brian being a good person. Her poor me post is sad at best. Poor you getting that stipend and telling people you don’t like personally to shut up. Poor, poor Brina.
This is nothing against you Jack. You probably wouldn’t know how she really is, like some of us do who’ve been harassed by her and lied to by her have. She’s as mean as a snake but hides it well for the most part. If she ever gets mad at you, you’ll get to see it too you lucky thing you!
Quote: All I can say is LOL @ Netwinner having a Multiplyer Day tomorrow!!!! Do they think that will appease everyone?
Oh you have GOT to be kidding me! hahaha! They are that delusional huh? Wait a minute, we’re discussing Netwinner. Ofcourse they are! Nevermind.
What really making me grumpy is I was gonna use that $450 for dental work after I use up my Dental Insurance. So now I’ll be getting less much needed work done. Time for nother handfull of painkillers…..
No kidding on the Brina thing huh? She lied and locked as much as if not more than other mods there. We’re supposed to feel sorry for her because of her claimed problems. Well guess what honey? We’ve got problems too. We’re not interested in your problems liar!
You always cite how you do this or that because of forum rules. Bullsh*t. You did those things out of your own personal preferences for what you personally liked and didn’t like. You’re so far from moderate that you are the anti-moderate. You are a fire-starter with an ego the size of Mt. Rushmore who stops at nothing to get rid of opinions she doesn’t like instead of opening her weak mind to other possibilities.
Care about the people. This thread isn’t about you. It’s about the people you helped get screwed by Netwinner. Stay on topic please.
You so earned that last line because you said it enough yourself, PropagandBrina!
Aaron said:
What really making me grumpy is I was gonna use that $450 for dental work after I use up my Dental Insurance. So now I’ll be getting less much needed work done. Time for nother handfull of painkillers…..
Wow! Sorry for all the duplicate posts first off. I kept getting server errors when I hit submit so I had no idea they were posting.
*embarrassed smiley here
To reply to you Aaron…
Don’t you realize that the mods are the only ones who are allowed to be in pain? Shame on us all for caring about eachother more than we care about Netwinner.
You set yourselves up Netwinner, I’ll knock you down. You make it easy mods.
In reality, your post Aaron breaks my heart. The above was not meant for you. Your post just got me to thinking about how truly selfish those people are and it burns my buns when I read how people are being treated.
I’m sorry you’re not getting what was promised and is owed to you. Regardless of what NetLoser spins that nothing was owed to you it clearly was. Please follow Becky’s directions on how to report this mess to the proper agencies. People here do care about you even if the mods only care about their own asses.
If they had brains, at least they’d do a better job of being full of crap! hahaha
Wow! Netwinner people are stooping so low as to post as this site’s owner now? That’s so sad! Get an original thought and a spine Netwinner. Some ears for listening to your members would be good too.
Why is that Jason/hostiledaddy a mod of anything? What kind of jerk says things like that to people who have been robbed? Ass! Insert picture of donkey here so Jason can see what we see when we read his posts.
lolol!!!
Brina chiming in with a boo hoo story huh? Oh ok. We all feel real bad for you Brina. Not. Go lie somewhere else where you have a chance of being believed witch!
go home mods! we got robbed! we’ve had enough of you!
Anonymous said:
No kidding on the Brina thing huh? She lied and locked as much as if not more than other mods there. We’re supposed to feel sorry for her because of her claimed problems. Well guess what honey? We’ve got problems too. We’re not interested in your problems liar!
You always cite how you do this or that because of forum rules. Bullsh*t. You did those things out of your own personal preferences for what you personally liked and didn’t like. You’re so far from moderate that you are the anti-moderate. You are a fire-starter with an ego the size of Mt. Rushmore who stops at nothing to get rid of opinions she doesn’t like instead of opening her weak mind to other possibilities.
Care about the people. This thread isn’t about you. It’s about the people you helped get screwed by Netwinner. Stay on topic please.
You so earned that last line because you said it enough yourself, PropagandBrina!
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At least I have the guts to use my name and not hide behind anonymous.
I think you have me confused with someone else. You do a search on my name at the forum, all my posts are basically contests. I wasn’t on the forum for a couple months and since being back I have not posted other than a few posts in general and I don’t cite forum rules unless I’m trying to explain to someone that is worried about being banned, that they wouldn’t be banned unless they broke certain major rules and I don’t lock threads. So I am not sure how it can be said that I do all this more than any other mod and that I do it for personal reasons because that is totally untrue.
I posted here to say that I agree with the players so I was on topic.
I don’t think it very nice to be swearing and calling people nazi’s or any other names which shows you have no respect for Becky or her site after she has allowed everyone to post. I will show her some respect and not reply again.
Anonymous said:
No kidding on the Brina thing huh? She lied and locked as much as if not more than other mods there. We’re supposed to feel sorry for her because of her claimed problems. Well guess what honey? We’ve got problems too. We’re not interested in your problems liar!
You always cite how you do this or that because of forum rules. Bullsh*t. You did those things out of your own personal preferences for what you personally liked and didn’t like. You’re so far from moderate that you are the anti-moderate. You are a fire-starter with an ego the size of Mt. Rushmore who stops at nothing to get rid of opinions she doesn’t like instead of opening her weak mind to other possibilities.
Care about the people. This thread isn’t about you. It’s about the people you helped get screwed by Netwinner. Stay on topic please.
You so earned that last line because you said it enough yourself, PropagandBrina!
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At least I have the guts to use my name and not hide behind anonymous.
I think you have me confused with someone else. You do a search on my name at the forum, all my posts are basically contests. I wasn’t on the forum for a couple months and since being back I have not posted other than a few posts in general and I don’t cite forum rules unless I’m trying to explain to someone that is worried about being banned, that they wouldn’t be banned unless they broke certain major rules and I don’t lock threads. So I am not sure how it can be said that I do all this more than any other mod and that I do it for personal reasons because that is totally untrue.
I posted here to say that I agree with the players so I was on topic.
I don’t think it very nice to be swearing and calling people nazi’s or any other names which shows you have no respect for Becky or her site after she has allowed everyone to post. I will show her some respect and not reply again.
You’re not using your real name. At least read the thread first. All of this has be covered and you lose PropagandaBrina. Next!
Quote:
I will show her some respect and not reply again.
Well that would be a nice change of pace from you. Showing people respect. Trying to twist things as if we are not is laughable. Get a new act. We’ve all heard that one before.
Lie to us about the stipend too Brina, hahahaha So full of crap aren’t u?
What mods don’t seem to grasp is that many of us wanted to voice what we wanted for months but didn’t in hopes we would still get what was owed to us. I didn’t even want to post on other sites like here because people can be tracked and I didn’t want to jepordize my account after we’ve seen what happens to people who asked for answers or dared say negative things about NW and it’s polocies. Now it no longer matters to us so wlecome to months of bottled up anger. If any of you Mods are still a representative of the company currently then no sympathy for you.
Did I just hear a pin pop one of Brina’s ego bubbles?
lolol anon! She so deserves that for trying that stuff here.
sorry everyone but i think i am the one that got the pm’s disabled, i posted a message (which they quickly deleted) telling some who were asking about another site to pm me and i would give them the info
i guess they were afraid that some people were able to read it before they deleted it so they disabled pm’s so we could not communicate that way
then i went in and edited my profile so that my email address would show there so people could contact me outside the nw forum and then they deleted the whole ‘bad news?’ thread, lol
sorry about that too if it was my post that prompted it
i think e1 should contact the nc attorney general as becky suggested and we should all contact those tv stations in nc also
in addition to that i am going to contact the ‘consumer help’ reporter at my local news station in my state and i urge you all to do the same, if every tv station in the usa gets complaints about nw then maybe this will get national coverage on everyone’s local news and then maybe at least nobody new will make the same mistakes that we did by having faith in their repeated promises to pay us
You’d be a better mod than she is Aaron. At least you don’t waste our time with lies and you care about others..unlike some Brina people!
” knothead said:
sorry everyone but i think i am the one that got the pm’s disabled”
No it wasn’t you but Netwinner’s lack of ability in dealing with honesty that got the pm’s disabled. You are informing people of the truth. They just can’t deal as usual. Good for you!
lol @ how sad these mods are!!!
Defensive much Brina? Jeez!
Are you being paid by the word now? If not you should stop. You’re embarassing yourself.
Anon is right knothead. You did nothing wrong. You were just trying to help your fellow members. Thank you for speaking up
Good morning! I just saw this in amongst last nites po
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BEYOND PISSED OFF said:
We haven’t heard a peep from Bobt, Bonz, Hardtimer or Holly since ‘the excrement made physical contact with a hydro-electric powered oscillating air current distribution device’. Choking on crow, perhaps? C’mon Bonz, we’re all waiting for one of your trademark zingers…we’ve been used and abused- don’t deprive us of your biting witticisms as well!
Hahahaha!!! Thanks for the Great comeback!the excrement lol…I am still chuckling over that one.
I am waiting for the whistleblower AKA honest mod/staff to come forward when the Hush”money” they have been offered does not materialise OR one of them actually HAS a conscience and actually does what they ALL have been spouting as their “reason” for moderating on Net…Winner..”We Care about the members” should eb an interesting read.
Heres an outthere thought..has anyone contacted some of the bigger TV shows like Oprah or Phil who like to investigate things?They all have forums for people to write into.
If Netwinner were an apple, it’d be rotten inside. Why do they think we won’t notice that now that we’ve all had a taste? What’s in their kool-aid?
Good idea Not Hard To Guess!
When we do hear from those mods, it’ll be more of the same crap. “Feel sorry for me!” Nope. If they can’t confess and at least apologize for lying about the things they knew ahead of time and their stipends like others have admitted then I don’t want to hear it. Just more bashing of the “mean old players” to come from those people.
If bonz comes here I’ve got some great one-liners for him. Oh yes I do.
hell hath no fury like a bunch of players scorned netwinner!
Hey everyone
Here are a bunch of links for Charlotte NC news stations and newspapers. Tell them what happened to you!
http://www.google.com/search?q=charlotte+north+carolina+news&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
montel seems to like to take up for people who have been wronged also and we are a very big group of wronged people
on another note, i never got that email from the president of nw like some did (which puzzles me because i have always gotten emails from nw on other matters) – which makes me wonder what the many many thousands of people who are not in the 1% or so that know about and visit the nw forum are thinking right now about these changes (if they have even noticed them yet) if they didn’t get the letter in email, wonder if we could buy a list of the email addys from nw so we could tell them all to file complaints with the nc attorney general also, lol
can you imagine how many more people will come forward once this thing starts getting national coverage? this is going to be very interesting
Here are a bunch of links to Charlotte NC news stations for everyone to contact. Newspapers too!
http://www.google.com/search?q=charlotte+north+carolina+news&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Speaking of that, here are some Charlotte NC news links where we can all tell our stories:
The link is long so copy and paste this into Google: charlotte north carolina news
Every news station and newspaper there comes up. We’ve got nothing to lose and everything to gain by contacting them.
Good night and good luck everyone. I hope the crap from the Netwinner mods doesn’t get too deep by the time I come back tomorrow. If it does remember, you have a right to your opinion and they have no power here. Say what’s on your mind! You’ve earned that right!
And thank you Becky for allowing this honest dialog. Well almost honest. There are a few mods here after all.
“can you imagine how many more people will come forward once this thing starts getting national coverage? this is going to be very interesting”
How right you are. Netwinner may think they’ve got it rough now, lolol. Wait until more people get ahold of this.
Thanks for the short and sweet version of the Google search for those news outlets. I tried to post a link before too and it didn’t work. Was going crazy trying to post it lol.
hahahaha excrement! Perfect!
Becky I just read your letter. You may hate to be right but thanks for being honest.
NetWinner owes me over $500. Guess I can kiss that goodbye. My husband will be so upset when he finds out that all of the promises made to him were broken. They owe him about $200. So we are out $700 and six months of being lied to that patience and persistence pays. Thanks a lot NetWinner.
Another mod plops a load here. Whodathunkit?
Mike and the other mods had fake referrals and we’re called cheaters all the time OMG!!! Hipocrites!
There are some phone numbers at the beginning of this thread that I think we all should call. This is just not right and they should get to hear all about how we feel up close and personal. It will be fun to see them on tv. Too bad it won’t be for paying someone the jackpot.
lol at cuffed daddy
Am I mad I’m not going to get my money? Not really. Am I dissapointed? Yes. Did I see this coming? Absolutely. For everyone here to say they actually thought they were going to get their money after 6 months is bull****. If you blindly followed and believed you were going to receive it, you’re no better than the mods and you should not be attacking them. Maybe you guys should learn how to articulate your anger better than personally attacking people. It shows how childish you are.
I’ve had my share of problems with some of the mods, but I would never ever attack them for something they had no control over.
Good morning to all the Netwinner players
It’s hard to believe that we’ve reached to this point and we’ve been burnt by a dishonest company.
People have put their time in playing the game and for many reasons, some need extra cash, some need to pay medical supplies, and so on.
The company can change their TOS as often as they like, it’s their company but, they have to respect the engagements they made with their players in the past.
This to me is FRAUD big time, it’s like you ordered tickets to see a concert and when you get there they tell you that the concert has been cancelled and there showing a movie instead.
Or your playing the lottery for a cash prize and then they tell you sorry but there is no cash prize were giving the winner dinner plates, this is unacceptable.
If the company was having problems, they should have told us and close there doors, not continuing to string us along and then spit in our face by giving us points to win items.
Do you really think that you are going to win ANYTHING or are they going to open their own email addresses and make new accounts to show that, that person won.
Also another note that they stated which they said 40% of the players were fraud, can someone explain this to me. Fraudulent players or not, they still were logged in at Netwinner and they still were clicking either way so it doesn’t matter. The numbers of accounts were still registered that day as the players were on the site, so to me this was just another excuse.
Time is money and if we knew that they weren’t going to pay we wouldn’t play on their sites, plain and simple so who’s frauding WHO. We should continue to send emails to the proper authorities and phone calls and that will surely close them down and that’s what they deserve for being dishonest to their players.
This is my personal opinion and I would also like to thank Becky for letting us vent here, much appreciated and you have a great and knowledgeable site, thank you.
You are very welcome, you all are. And my apologies for the frequent server errors — it’s not used to having this many people posting at once! I’ll work on deleting duplicate comments later today (volunteering at the kids’ school this morning — while I want to help you guys, my #1 job is being Mommy).
SOOOooooo… It’s “the morning after,” and NetWinner is NOT going to send you flowers. No doubt everyone is still upset and some of you are around #3 or #4 in the Stages of Grief model: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model
You don’t know what to do from here, so let me refocus you and post this again for those just reading this that lack the fortitude to read through the nearly 500 comments to this post:
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THIS IS WHAT TO DO
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FIRST: I appended this post to note that in NW’s Terms of Service, “Your continued use of the Service following the posting of any changes to the terms and conditions contained in this Agreement shall bind You to acceptance of those changes.” If you don’t agree to the changes, don’t play!
NEXT: Read the following information (sorry for the re-post, those of you who caught it the first time…trying to get the new folks up to speed):
***1.*** The NC Attorney General’s Office. DO THIS ONE FIRST. Call 1-877-566-7226. I think they’ll take a verbal complaint but either way, they will require you to print out and complete the form located here: http://www.ncdoj.com/DocumentStreamerClient?directory=Forms/&file=stancom.pdf and send it to the address on the form. If you call, they may have a fax number. You will need the following information:
Full name of the company: Netwinner, LLC
Mailing Address: 1427 South Blvd #200
Charlotte, NC 28203
Internet Address: (duh) NetWinner.com
Phone Number: (704) 347-8850
Fax Number: N/A
Section 3 will be a lot of N/As. You may want to include your cashout dates or your dates of membership.
In Section 4, you’ll want to check off the options for “I responded to a website or email solicitation” and “Via computer.”
Section 5: SIMPLIFY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. For instance — use your own words — They promised, “You play, we pay” but after cashing in the points I won from playing their online game, I waited 5 months for my prize. They repeatedly changed their terms of service as they became progressively late in payments. They continued to promise payment until yesterday, when they returned my points and said they wouldn’t pay me.
Section 6 is how you’ve handled it up to this point.
And last, if you have screenshots of your earnings, your redemption history, or anything else to back up your claim, include a copy.
If you’d like to provide them with a link to this site or to my email address — comparerewards@yahoo.com — I will be more than happy to provide the details I know.
I know nobody likes to have to go to the hassle of printing out and mailing in a form — it’s not the instant gratification we’re used to in the digital age — but this is the procedure if you want to get something done about this.
The AG’s office is THE BEST AVENUE FOR DEALING WITH THIS. If NetWinner committed fraud, the AG’s office is full of lawyers who prosecute companies who break the law. The BBB is not.
2. The local media. Can they get you paid? No. But they can certainly bring these guys under scrutiny and possibly speed up the process of getting the AG involved. Here’s the Wikipedia article on Charlotte, NC’s media, with direct links to the TV stations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_in_Charlotte%2C_North_Carolina
3. BBB. Probably a useless step but at least it’ll go on NW’s record and will help warn others away. It’s located here: https://odr.bbb.org/odrweb/public/GetStarted.aspx
4. FTC. This would be to report false advertising, if you think that’s the case. Here’s their website: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/bcpmp.shtm and here’s where you can file a complaint: https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01
marilyn said “i contact the BBB and they told me to contact the state attorney generals office, so i did.
she told me that it was illegal to gamble in north carolina and that is where netwinner is based. she also told me that they can’t even have any raffles or even bingo.”
so maybe if we cannot make them pay us what they promised to maybe we can get them in trouble for the payouts they have already made in the last 2 years?
Here is what Mike ( mp65 ) posted on the netwinner central forum ,and a great response by justlee :
mjp65 wrote: Ok,
I have a lot to say about this subject, but I am going to start with the basics.
All players can contact the company. We will reply and service the players one on one.You have to do this via support@netwinner.com. The system and staff behind this is not the same as it has been in the past. We have at least a half dozen people working on this full time. We will talk to you about any concerns. We expect to answer inquires the same day they are sent. Most will be much faster.
As far as what happened, I hate what happened. I am saddened by it. I think the company that i am part of made huge mistake and responded to those mistake with more bad moves. The compnay deserves to take the blame for that. However, if you knew the staff/ and owners you will not find any crooks or villians. You will find only inperfect people trying thier best to make this thing work. The alternative was closing the the doors on NW forever.
I want to say something about the forum team. They deserve everybody’s respect. I did not know about this until Friday. I could not tell the forum team until Monday. I know they felt as I did. Honestly, we wanted to cry.
Going forward, I know we all know, we will lose some players in this mess. that is fine and we do not blame anybody for leaving. However, we do large plans for what we are going to do. We have many more prizes coming. More games are coming. The Keno game will be out soon, although I do not think that name will be used. I will talk more about that soon for those who want to stay here and make the place fun again. I realize this mess is too big to just glance over too quickly.
justlee’s response :
Mike..you Have GOT to be kidding..first ,you know that you will lose some players? TRY 90% of them!
And Oh Goody..Large plans..Yep we all look forward to that..every time we heard about these “great changes” the members got the shaft.
” You will find only inperfect people trying thier best to make this thing work. The alternative was closing the the doors on NW forever.”
Trying to make what work??I imagine there was alot of crying but not because of what NW has done to it loyal players but because the game is up and the cash cow has died.
Do you honestly think that taking away fulfillments and replacing them with double the useless points for raffle tickets will fool people into clicking to make NW More money?That the oft used Lure of More good things will be enough?Yes there will be a few that are content with raffle only games But hey why in the world would they EVER trust Anything they are told by the staff/mods at Netwinner when all ALL of you have done is lied?
Some people may fall for the “fraud line” just as they fell for the ..Moving..you will be paid..soon …Ecount problems… Netwinner Will pay…soon….short staffed…we are sorting out the fulfillment issues..you will be paid…Soon.. Garbage!
Anyone that understand the dynamics of a forum KNOWS full well that it is Not That difficult to track “players” and IPs..It is VERY easy to redflag unusual activity and check it out so pull the other one please.
This latest move will be the downfall of Netwinner..But I predict that after NW closes a “New” raffle only site will open with a “new” name and the same owners/staff.You see I predicted the Raffle change long ago as part of the ORIGINAL business plan.The big mistake the owners made was waiting too long to make the shift.Guess the money they were making off of all of the new players joining was just too much to resist wasnt it?
Thing is what are the owners going to do about all the legal actions against them?Is That the real reason you all want us to keep clicking? so that NW can pay its lawyers?
This will probably be
1. deleted entirely
2. edited so that Nothing of substance is left
3. Get me banned
but I this point is is Moot point isnt it.
No amount of promises of “better things to come” are going to hide the truth.It can be said here or all over the net( which it is)..
It isn’t considered gambling unless you pay to play.
Brilliant bit of writing LOL..
Guess what?
The NWC forum is down for maintanance..Hmmmmm wonder what it will show up as IF it shows up again..
Thank you Becky – Another place to contact
http://www.mlmwatchdog.com/
I got a pm @ netwinner from someone on this site but when I tried to check it the site was down for “maintenance”
Who’s lookin for me?? lol
when netwinner banned me last, night i called them and left a message on their customer service number telling that it is pretty bad that you have to ban someone who speaks the truth about your site, and about how the truth hurts.
so we will see what happens today, and if someone calls me today or sends me a email about what i said last night.
i plan on calling them again today and letting them have it some more
i wrote to my local tv news consumer help section and this is the reply i got, not what i wanted to hear but they did give me another address that might be helpful to us
here is what they said -
Unfortunately, we don’t handle issues with companies that are out of our area. We can’t send a crew to NC. Our viewing area is 10 counties here in central Florida and we try hard to keep up with this area. You can report this problem to the Consumer Services office for NC – Consumer Protection, 9001 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-9001. The website is http://www.ncdoj.com.
Guys please done even login to netwinner anymore, dont give them any advertising revenue at all. This site is done now, I hope the owner made no money at all on this site. Cant believe the wasted hours earning these points.
I saw someone post about a classaction suit I’m in for that I have proof of $200 owed to me in a copy of a fullfillment email i sent to Netwinner and also screen shots of my prize page. I would also like to apologize to everyone who got taken I was one of the gripers who recieved 1 payment from last weeks short payouts I tried to warn people to check Becky’s site and was paid hush money to keep quiet! I did recieve a ecount card just yesterday with 97.00 on it from a 2/7/08 cashout. I feel horrible that noone else is being paid but I will help fight these a** holes anyway I can…..
The problem is…I have NO proof of my winnings owed to me. Did not think of taking a screen shot before all the prizes were deleted & converted into points. How can I place any complaint without the solid proof, NW took away from ‘My Prizes’?
I still have all my conformation emails with how much I cashed out for, did you keep any of those Karen?
I never thought of that..yes..I have all of them. Thanks, Jamie.
better copy them before they are also removed if not already
Maybe we can speed upm the process by making complaints here to, follow the link
http://www.ripoffreport.com/
“FIRST: I appended this post to note that in NW’s Terms of Service, “Your continued use of the Service following the posting of any changes to the terms and conditions contained in this Agreement shall bind You to acceptance of those changes.” If you don’t agree to the changes, don’t play!”
Isn’t by law, there must be a grace period between agreement changes? Not saying there is any reason to play netwinner..but meant in sense that those that did after the change are still entitled to their rights.
Also, at this point..I don’t think it matters which mod did what in the forum. No matter how much we hate to admit it, the mods jobs are to keep the forum clean of anything that can damage the company. That says for ALL companies that run forums. We can argue to what extent they may have abused their power..but that is irrelevant.
The one who is responsible was NetWinner and who ever makes the decisions there. Cmmon, this isn’t the first time there was a rewards program that pays early on, then afterwards stops paying.(SCAM)
I see a nice spot for them at:
http://www.gptboycott.com/
Netwinner uses the excuse of “it was either close the company or do this”…there was another option..Netwinner could have easily sold their company to someone who CAN ACTUALLY MANAGE a company. But at this point, I don’t think anyone is going to even want them any more…They are jsut gonna die little by little..or maybe faster if the DA goes after them.
As for the 10% figure..I’m pretty sure that is correct..since AFTER 99% of all members close their accounts. Out of the remaining 1%, 10% of those will be unsatisfied but continue playing
better copy them before they are also removed if not already
sorry…don’t know why my posts doubled and more
Good morning to all the Netwinner players
It’s hard to believe that we’ve reached to this point and we’ve been burnt by a dishonest company.
People have put their time in playing the game and for many reasons, some need extra cash, some need to pay medical supplies, and so on.
The company can change their TOS as often as they like, it’s their company but, they have to respect the engagements they made with their players in the past.
This to me is FRAUD big time, it’s like you ordered tickets to see a concert and when you get there they tell you that the concert has been cancelled and there showing a movie instead.
Or your playing the lottery for a cash prize and then they tell you sorry but there is no cash prize were giving the winner dinner plates, this is unacceptable.
If the company was having problems, they should have told us and close there doors, not continuing to string us along and then spit in our face by giving us points to win items.
Do you really think that you are going to win ANYTHING or are they going to open their own email addresses and make new accounts to show that, that person won.
Also another note that they stated which they said 40% of the players were fraud, can someone explain this to me. Fraudulent players or not, they still were logged in at Netwinner and they still were clicking either way so it doesn’t matter. The numbers of accounts were still registered that day as the players were on the site, so to me this was just another excuse.
Time is money and if we knew that they weren’t going to pay we wouldn’t play on their sites, plain and simple so who’s frauding WHO. We should continue to send emails to the proper authorities and phone calls and that will surely close them down and that’s what they deserve for being dishonest to their players.
Maybe we can speed up the process by making complaints here to, follow the link http://www.ripoffreport.com/
This is my personal opinion and I would also like to thank Becky for letting us vent here, much appreciated and you have a great and knowledgeable site, thank you.
Canuck, its nothing like ordering tickets at all; because you did not ever pay any money.
ANON: So, we’re back to saying if you paid nothing, you lost nothing and so shut up???? BS! I paid with my time to the advertisers.
no, we did not pay any more BUT- we clicked and clicked, entered contests to win points and at the end- cash in for giftcards/ecount cards. A lot of peeps held off cashing out and they all got stuck with useless points – at the time worth thousands of dollars…and all for what now?
Becky, if you think you are going to get hit with a lawsuit b/c of the NW bashing you need to clear the comments. Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing until it costs something
oops…i meant no we did not pay any money..BUT
I was waiting for $425.00 in gift cards
The only thing still showing is the $25 cash I won but I do have alot of worthless points
i just realized that i have proof of 2 of my payouts that i kept just in case
i am on the phone right now with cameron with customer support and he has me on hold, saying that netwiner central forum was down last night and that as far as he knows it is still down.
this is just crazy, he put me on hold and is checking it out right now
Our time is money ANON, if we were told it was for points then I personaly wouldn’t play and maybe 98% of the other players would do the same.
i caught this guy in yet another lie, he told me yesterday that they don’t ban accounts for putting posts in the forum, but yet they banned my account. as well as he said they don’t delete posts and i told him, that is what they did to me.
i called him on it, and he tried recant what he said yesterday, and tried to tell me that is not what he said, nor not what he meant
netwinnercentral has been up all morning. I am in it now
Would someone please post the legal addresses where complaints can be filed against netwinner.
How can anyone defend what netwinner has done to the players. First they change the game play to 100 spins and one banko game per day. Then they change the prizes to drawings..then they change the points to cash out to 100,000. They continually lied to players or totally ignored their questions on where there fullfillment of prizes were. The mods as quoted in the letter from Goldberg were volunteers and only relaying what they were told.. ALL LIES !!
They say all of this was for the players to enjoy and mostly it was to benefit them (NOT THE PLAYERS) !! They accused players on numerous occassions of frauding them and of cheating..yet there was no measures in place to stop that..they let it continue to the point of this. Now the honest players who have been patiently waiting for their wins have ALL been punished by them taking away their wins and have the audacity to put the points back into their accounts. What good does that do?? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !! If netwinner thinks it was defrauded by players or that players were cheating in some way then substantiate it with those players and pay the honest players just like was promised to begin with. That would be the fair and right thing to do. DONT BRUSH YOUR DIRT UNDER THE CARPET NETWINNER !!
I really dont get why you all are going after the mods when its not our fault. I mean shouldnt you be talking about the company and the people that made that desision because as a mod for netwinner we have NOTHING to do with it we found out the same way you all did. and another thing how do you know if thet quit or not? Just bacuse they post in here do not you that they quit dont mean that they havent. I know your all pissed we are too we dont get our money either. We are pissed to its not right that they are pretty much screwing over the players with the money. But They do have some new raffles that you can enter for. Some people were happy they got double the points. Just wish everyone was but i understand why people are not. I got double the points the way I see things now is that they arent gonna change thier minds abotu so enter you points into the reffles and try and enjoy.
Would someone please post the legal addresses where complaints can be filed against netwinner.
How can anyone defend what netwinner has done to the players. First they change the game play to 100 spins and one banko game per day. Then they change the prizes to drawings..then they change the points to cash out to 100,000. They continually lied to players or totally ignored their questions on where there fullfillment of prizes were. The mods as quoted in the letter from Goldberg were volunteers and only relaying what they were told.. ALL LIES !!
They say all of this was for the players to enjoy and mostly it was to benefit them (NOT THE PLAYERS) !! They accused players on numerous occassions of frauding them and of cheating..yet there was no measures in place to stop that..they let it continue to the point of this. Now the honest players who have been patiently waiting for their wins have ALL been punished by them taking away their wins and have the audacity to put the points back into their accounts. What good does that do?? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !! If netwinner thinks it was defrauded by players or that players were cheating in some way then substantiate it with those players and pay the honest players just like was promised to begin with. That would be the fair and right thing to do. DONT BRUSH YOUR DIRT UNDER THE CARPET NETWINNER !!
raffles are a joke! geez- people keep talking about raffles. Pretty much anyone prefers cash/giftcards. raffles..plz. tiny tiny tiny chance of winning crap you dont really need
Is it possible someone could write a nice letter of complaint that we could sign and forward to the BBB. I am not good at writing and it would be like a petition.
Thanks
This is pretty funny..All this time people have been writing to netwinner and asking and asking about their prize cashouts. I sent them a letter Dated May5th, 2008 at 8:28 am. They didnt have the courtesy to answer me back then..instead I was told as everyone else be patient ..prizes were coming.
A few minutes ago..I checked my email and waa laa what do you think I got?? Yep a letter from Support @ Netwinner..and this was the answer to my email to them.
Dear Player
Thank you for contacting Netwinner Customer Support. We are sorry but at this time we are unable to redeem points for cash. This has been done in oder to cut back on the large amounts of fraud and liability we have been facing. We are very sorry but we would like to apologize and we returned double the points you used in making your transaction. Again we apologize for the trouble we have caused you.
Regards,
Customer Support, Netwinner
THEY HAVE ALOT OF NERVE IS ALL I CAN SAY !!!
it is about a bad company.
I don’t think I’ll get any payment, so for me it is now about bringing the company down, so they can’t hurt any more people with their bad faith promises.
If the choice was this or close the company…then they should have just closed the company.
they will be closed anyway eventually if not soon
Wow Whine when they answer and whine when they dont
Nobody is whining annonymous !! Just posting my thoughts as you are..but seems to me you have been doing alot of posting yourself today so call me a whiner is you want ..frankly I dont give a fat ratss asss !!
I have crotch crickets
At least i have the balls to use my name..unlike people who want to be annonymous !! GET SOME BALLS !!
Forum isn’t up. I can’t get in at all. Page won’t even load. I think they are afraid of all the flood of comments they will get and they know they done wrong. I think maybe they won’t be able to keep up with all the negative posts and so they decided to just close the forum. Funny thing is you can still get to the site well enough. So don’t let em say it was down for maintainance.
lisa6948146 said:
“Some people were happy they got double the points. Just wish everyone was but i understand why people are not. I got double the points the way I see things now is that they arent gonna change thier minds abotu so enter you points into the reffles and try and enjoy.”
I don’t think anyone would be happy with double points unless they didn’t realize that the points changed. See lets say 100,000 points = $100 (for the sake of argument). If I give you 1,000,000x the points. But the points are worth 0.
1,000,000 * 0 = is still 0 (funny how math works sometimes right?)
And we know NetWinner isn’t going to change its mind..but your saying “when a scam does you wrong, continue to be with them and enjoy being scammed?”
There are 2 options:
1) we can do what you say and get nothing
or
2) we can sue netwinner, put them out of business. And take all their assets and use it to pay members what they deserve
hmmm…option 1 does sound tempting..really..I swear it upon all my points in my netwinner account 0:)..oh wait that isn’t much of a swear is it..lol
but I’m just gonna have to go with option 2 :/
I just got an email from NW from my questions 8 days ago and they finally answered it. Here is what it said they still don’t have balls they hurt alor of people.
Dear Player
Thank you for contacting Netwinner Customer Support. We are sorry but at this time we are unable to redeem points for cash. This has been done in oder to cut back on the large amounts of fraud and liability we have been facing. We are very sorry but we would like to apologize and we returned double the points you used in making your transaction. Again we apologize for the trouble we have caused you.
Regards,
Customer Support, Netwinner
Guys, please stop posting as Becky. Anyone who wants to know if it really is her, (besides the stupid comments) just check her posts. She has a link on her name. That’s how you know it’s really her posting. Please stop posting as her.
I also contacted a TV station and this is the email I got from them.
from newsnet5.com
Thank you for telling us about the game. I have passed your message on to the news desk.
Colleen Seitz
shansgram- ughh,..no thanks I do NOT want any “balls”. geez
Doesn’t really matter if we use our names or not. The forum is down so we can’t post there anyway. Besides, it’s not like we are gonna get bann..oh wait, um…I love NW!..hehe!
NOT! I aint skeert. They can’t find me…nevar! Hahaha!!
I don’t hear Mike in here with his usual “Show me where there’s a better site than Netwinner” I guess I thank him for that much. Because we could show him tons. I remember him asking that question so many time then if you told a site got deleted for posting another site.
BTW..I think it’s just the main forum page that is down. If you do a search on google for netwinnercentral, it will bring up some posts from there, if you click on one of those you get right to the forum. Just go back from that page and poof you are there
yeah. I got the e-mail this morning about my “prize” being converted into those worthwhile points too. But my e-mail include a statement of confidentiality and that copying it or sharing it in any way was strictly prohibited. Oh yes. I understand oh great master, creator of the universe. It’s a secret, and nobody else knows of your antics. They could have tripled or quadrupled the points! 50 times nothing is hmmmmm.. oh yeah. Nothing.
You are all upset because you didn’t get something for free? Are you all going to now file a lawsuit against popups for lkying because you wern’t the “1,000,000″ visitor and you want your $25 gift card to walmart. Get a life.
Aren’t you just the cutest thing? Well darling…read the posts here. You will see what is real and what isn’t. Most aren’t upset that they aren’t getting “Something for nothing” like you said, but they are upset that they were LIED TO, CALLED CHEATERS, and DUMPED like yesterday’s poo. C’mon, get with the program here.
Why don’t you slink back to your NW buddies and spin that wheel and try to win that beautiful MOP or any of the other lovely prizes you get a CHANCE to win?? Huh???
I have to say that you all seriously need to get a job. you spend all day long posting and complaining. Do any of you losers have jobs apparently not if your all here complaining about cash. It only takes a foot in front of another to get your a$$ away from your computer and get a job and get a paycheck.
Your right but lets use math since everyone here is so fond of it. Playing netwinner = possible win. Not playing = no chance for a win
Last time I checked, 1 in 100 is still larger than 0.
Then carry your azz back over there and keep kissin butt and spinnin. Fine with me and most others here. Have fun
I see so if I steal $450 from you it’s not gonna bother you? Are we suppose to just take this crap while NW goes on to squeeze few more bucks from advertizing clicked on by unknowing noobs. If your a NW employee I wouldn’t even count on a paycheck. NW should be seriously investigated.
IF I gave you imaginary money for that 400 and then you wanted it back then I can’t really say no. To be honest, I’m sure most of the people on this forum are still playing and just wont admit it.
I love the getajob posts. They are so funny. It’s not about us playing for money. That’s so silly. It’s about being lied to. I don’t like being lied to even if it’s free. I also don’t like getting screwed. If I did I would have stayed with my husband. I love Becky’s fairness. In Netwinner’s forum if you posted anything negative in their famous (Happy Threads) they deleted them and said it was inappropriate for that thread “Please post this in the gripe thread” BUT….if someone posted a good thing in the gripe thread they let it stay.
Please read my new post regarding the last “Get a life” post. I think you’ll be interested to see who left it.
I have to freeze this post because my blog software is glitching due to the number of responses. You can continue this discussion on the new post, here: http://www.comparerewards.com/archives/004549.html
Everyone knows the millionth visitor pop-up ad is a scam, so you just don’t click on it. Netwinner, on the other hand, had a forum with a staff member assuring us every day that they would pay what they owed and people were paid in the past. So, don’t even compare the two and at least have the guts to not hide behind an anonymous label!
I just received this email from the BBB and thought others should know. I believe this was/is a case of fraud. I was “hired” by netwinner to do a job (IE: play the game and watch/click ads). I did my job without cheating or deception and deserved the “pay” as agreed upon. If any other place had done this they would have been shut down immediately and all assets frozen and or sold and used as payments made to those owed. Netwinner can change their site to all raffles, that is within their rights. However they cannot get away with not paying for services rendered in the past. Please everyone, file with the BBB in charlotte and with the FTC and the Atty General. Thank you Becky for allowing us a place to meet and discuss our options!!
Thank you for contacting the Better Business Bureau. Your complaint was received by the Bureau on May 12, 2008.
Your complaint has been applied to the following business:
Netwinner LLC
1427 South Blvd Ste 200
Charlotte, NC 28203-4261
The case has been reviewed and has now been forwarded to the business for their response. This business has until May 27, 2008 to respond to your complaint. You may contact our office after May 27, 2008 to check the status of your complaint.
We encourage you to use our ONLINE COMPLAINT system to keep up with the progress of this complaint. To view the details of your case please go to the following website address: http://www.charlotte.bbb.org/.
Sincerely,
Hilda T. Cohen
Dispute Resolution Specialist
BBB Complaint Department
hcohen@charlotte.bbb.org
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