NetWinner Sponsors Porn Discussion…at a Dragon*Con Convention

April 29, 2008 · 76 comments

Update, 5/5: I’m not a journalist; I’m a stay-at-home mom. Although I do try to think like a journalist when I do the research for my posts, I did make a mistake on this one: I posted earlier that Dragon*Con was a porn convention. I was wrong. It’s a gaming-related convention. My deepest apologies to Dragon*Con and its many fans and attendees.
Update, 4:42pm: Despite this information surfacing, two NW mods today insist, “This is a family game site.” The info below is being dismissed as “gossip” and irrelevant and members are being warned they will be banned if they discuss it. While I appreciate everyone’s support, please don’t violate NWC’s forum rules! This website has a much wider reach than their forum and the public IS being informed. Please see my response to this post below. Thanks, and best wishes to all unpaid members.
Someone sent me a very interesting link today, to a porn industry newsletter. Because I’ve always prided myself on being a (mostly!) family-friendly website, I won’t post the link but it’s available upon request. This is a cropped screenshot of the relevant part. Please note the part that says “sponsored by…”
I found this to be a very odd business decision. NetWinner doesn’t show porn ads during its games. I looked and couldn’t find where NetWinner had sponsored any other types of discussion panels…why a porn industry one? What was the significance of the porn industry to NetWinner?
I did some digging and found the following:
According to the North Carolina Secretary of State‘s office, a guy named Scott Coffman is NetWinner LLC’s registered agent for service of process (he’s the person you’d have to physically hand papers to if you intended to sue NetWinner). Whoever this guy is, he’s got a huge responsibility, so he has to be someone NetWinner trusts to stay in close contact.
So, who is this guy? According to his LinkedIn profile, Scott Coffman of Charlotte, NC is the president and owner of AEBN.
This article, originally in Business North Carolina, says that “sells pay-per-minute porno online.” The article was co-written by a Steve Goldberg. Steve Goldberg is also the name of NetWinner’s Director of Communications, the PR guy (see the credits below their 4/15 press release) who also contributed to my February post on NetWinner. Coincidence?
What about the VP I talked to? Does he have a connection to AEBN? Yep! Google Matt Coapman AEBN and you’ll see that he used to be AEBN’s Global Marketing Manager.
What does all this mean? First of all, I’m not making any moral statements about porn; I’m a firm believer in a free market and staying out of the business of what’s done among consenting adults. I just question the business logic in having NetWinner co-sponsor a porn industry discussion panel as a PR event rather than, say, a NASCAR race. I don’t know much about porn discussion panels but I’d imagine that there aren’t many Fortune 500 companies sponsoring them.
It’s a shame that NetWinner’s not as successful as AEBN — according to, it’s the 255th most visited website on the internet with somewhere between one and ten million dollars in revenue.

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Frustrated April 30, 2008 at 10:15 am

Are you freaking serious? They can sponser porn but they cannot pay what is owed to the players? I am so mortified that I have been supporting the Netwinner sight by playing there. I wonder if their advitizers care?
- frustrated & embaressed

Ginger April 30, 2008 at 10:43 am

Thank you for bringing us the WHOLE truth. I am amazed at the trail of information that NetWinner has left behind. I haven’t had time to yet read all of the information but looking at your links, you have found some very credible evidence.
Additionally, I know you are very careful to post only things that are factual and can be proven. I know that gossip isn’t your style and even if you have it on good authority things are awry, you won’t post unless you have solid proof good or bad.
If this information is not enough to make the advertisers and members of NW run, I don’t know what is. I am glad I followed my gut early on and ran like the wind and dropped my courtsey links from my site. I know I do not want to be associated with them. It must pain you to have their name on your site.
Here’s hoping we will be able to find some new, family oriented and honest sites to bring to the visitors of both of our sites. I know we share many of the same visitors.
You did an outstanding job of delivering the truth. I thank you for showing it in a format that is easy to follow and digest. I hope you know we all value your work.
Much appreciation,

Bobbie April 30, 2008 at 12:05 pm

Guess we know why they cant pay for their prizes. Thanks for sharing the information that was found.

I believe you will know whom I am,, April 30, 2008 at 12:13 pm

Thanks, Becky!!! Mahvelous work indeed!!! I knew I remembered months ago about this,, I just could never stumble upon it again. Now, talking about stumbling on it???!!
I am now going to start with outback steakhouse, and one by one email them with the information as I know it, and my intent to boycott and share this information until the “new” Enron changes its’ name to Gone-winner.
And, mjp65, “poor ‘ol” bobt1965, “haul out the holly, room 222″, “soon to be gone” hardtimer, leftie, each and every one of you, either because of being naive, or rather by not doing due diligence, I hold equally as responsible for this debacle as you have been abetting the perpertrator(s). Now that this very honest and applicable information has been introduced, does that tinge of loyalty still outweigh any ability to utilize common sense?? Also, please post on the forum, how all of this is untrue, and that as soon as you get an answer you and Mike will let us know. You are all about to cuaght up on the wrong side of a coup!
Becky, again thank you for the work you do and have done here, as it holds so much more value and truth than the boasting of the previous NW touters about how much they all care about the fellow members of NW.
How about a class-action, where by we petition the use of our unpaid earnings to pay for such action? I would sign it tomorrow, so the slaughter and rape of innocent people would cease!
Have a great day!

Helper on the Netwinner Site April 30, 2008 at 1:00 pm

I wish I had more info or answers for the players that are on the Netwinner site. But I dont. 99.9% of the time, (Mods and Admin) we posted what we were told to say. We are told everyone will get paid. We are told netwinner is in good shape. We dont own the company, and we are just as concerned as the players about the future of it. We expressed our opinions of the changes (the ones they told us of) before they went live. It did no good. I just hope that if the company folds, they will honor the money they owe.

tlnblue April 30, 2008 at 1:21 pm

Not only does the excuse “We were just following orders, Your Honor” not go over very well in the courts but I think it’s abhorrent that anyone has to even explain any of this logic to grown adults to begin with.
Becky, I echo the previous sentiments of those grateful for your time and effort to expose this mess. I’m behind you all the way!

Beth April 30, 2008 at 3:26 pm

Thanks to Becky for all the info. Finally some real information. Now can you please send me an invite to Boomertowne so I can actually earn some money? I tried requesting one on your site but I haven’t received it and I am getting anxious to try my luck there. I was the one nw sent the email too about verification where they sent me 50 email addresses. Not too secure there.

shellkate April 30, 2008 at 3:56 pm

I was told not to discuss this in the netwinner forumn. Told it was gossip and that it wasn’t a issue for the netwinner forumn. That the netwinner site is a family game site and that this article is not to be discussed in the forumn …. I am not seeing things this is a article that says “sponsor” a porn discussion
panel yet the Mods. at the netwinner site want this politely swept under the rug…… here is a direct quote of what they said on the forumn they even edited the rules of the forumn today to include do not discuss adult sites in the forumn…… so much for freedom of speech……

Becky April 30, 2008 at 4:25 pm

Beth: Sent!
Everything posted on this site is TRUE, including the fact that NW paid to co-sponsor an ethics discussion at a porn industry convention. I provide links and even screenshots.
As NW helper posted above, “99.9% of the time mods and admin…posted what we were told to say.”
There’s a big difference between calling it gossip and denying that it’s true.
Feel free to post your experiences or your reaction on this website without fear of reprisal. You don’t have to give your real name and email address — in fact, I suggest that you don’t. If you want to email me and share information privately, that’s another option:
I’m so sorry the members are having to fight this hard for something that’s rightfully theirs.

thecommittee April 30, 2008 at 5:15 pm

The NW Forum chiefs have spoken.
Anyone see Animal Farm? We’re all created equal, except some of us are more equal than others. If nothing else, this latest episode certainly exposes their true colors. There should be no doubt in anyone’s mind now what their top priority is, to make the forum a fun place to be!

tlnblue April 30, 2008 at 6:03 pm

I agree. Let’s not disturb them as they’re far too busy sweeping the floor and dusting the furniture around that gigantic pink elephant in the middle of the livingroom to be bothered with topics pertaining to legalities and ethics. We can go there to color and paint. We can come here to converse intelligently.

"poor 'ol" bobt1965 April 30, 2008 at 9:57 pm

Since someone decided to include me personally here. This is for the 1,000′s of players who still play and choose to believe Netwinner will not only come through these problems but still has enormous potential.
MegaMultipliers Thursday 05/01 at:
Gator Gold Offers // Race 4 Offers // Wii Arcade // Budget101 // Deal King //
Free Stuff Times // True Free Money // Mora Traffic // Just Free Stuff // Pocket Change
See Details At:
“And, mjp65, “poor ‘ol” bobt1965, “haul out the holly, room 222″, “soon to be gone” hardtimer, leftie, each and every one of you, either because of being naive, or rather by not doing due diligence, I hold equally as responsible for this debacle as you have been abetting the perpertrator(s).”

not deluded April 30, 2008 at 10:43 pm

New Netwinner forum !!
Vent all you want. But use a login name different from at nw for your protection !

I Love you Netwinner April 30, 2008 at 10:57 pm

You mean the multiplier wheel on all those sites tomorrow??
Alright,, ces’t magnifique!! This is greater than the tax rebate!!!
Laissez les bon temps roullez!
I am so happy I could just…..,,,, sit, and stare, and wonder, and gaze, and dream, yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus,, and dreaming still,,,,
OK NW loyalists,,,, what good are todays’ multiplied points for potential payout in 2009 when the 2007s are still lacking???
Meanwhile each day am oblivious and unsuspecting soul wanders into the forum for the first time, goes to the correct thread, and asks, “I cashed out on 2/13, how come it takes so long to get my card”? This is so sad…,, especially the elder grandmas and the like,, trust, virtue, loving their grandkids and spending time trying to amass points to obtain them a gift,,,
Nov.5; we’re moving; we do them in batches; any day now, please let us know when it gets there, sugar,sugar,snookems; when we have an answer, we’ll let you know;hold onto your points, there are great things coming soon; HOLD ONTO YOUR PANTS DARN IT.
Oh yeah, I love you Netwinner; Netwinner Rocks; Thank you Netwinner. You blind sheep are the same reason the corporate world and workplace is all askew. You trust in idle sugar coated promises, and if they come with a pat on the back and even a smile,,, yup I know,,,, after that treatment,, ya gotta believe,,, they are going to pay,,, oh well, time to go and log in,,, only got 10 points yeaterday, so hope today is better; good luck robot; ss robot; we love you robot; yes robot, the check is in ….,,,,, our desk right there!!!!

Carol April 30, 2008 at 11:40 pm

This is my first post here. I too have become a victim of netwinner. Although I was hesitate and had some doubts about this site when they started getting 4 months behind, I continued to play, because Mike and the mods persistently kept reassuring us that everything should be caught up soon as far as the payouts. Now 2 months later and 6 months behind on payouts, I have concluded we will never see our earnings.
I can understand Mike’s position in his efforts to continue to support Netwinner due to the fact he is on netwinner’s payroll. As far as the mods, for the life of me I can’t understand why they continue to support and believe all the lies. With the continued support from the mods on the forum has left me with the impression they are extremely gullible. I’ve heard one mod at netwinner central make a statement that she cares about people and enjoys helping. I find it rather odd that anyone who cared about people would support a site that is cheating it’s members out of their game earnings. I have absolutely no respect for anyone who becomes an enabler to fraudulent practices.

oldcook1 May 1, 2008 at 12:47 am

The site is a scam. I joined as my wife’s referral and played off and on. She was doing an article on Online Gaming and this was “home work”. This site is only the tip of the iceburg – thank you Becky for running an honest board and allowing people to shed some light on these online scams. Netwinner will be gone by the end of May. Check out their complaint record at BBB and also email the Attorney General’s office in NC (Becky has kindly provided all of the complaint links). The site will be shut down while they investigate the fraud complaints is what I was told. Good luck to all of the members who invested time and were never paid.

tlnblue May 1, 2008 at 12:51 am

I trust Becky (or anyone else) will take a screen shot of these comments before editing promotional links out since that kind of evidence is ideal to show the person’s criminal intentions when filing a complaint or during a lawsuit.

Still Clicking May 1, 2008 at 1:43 am

Wow! This is shocking news. Like others have expressed, I am absolutely mortified. At least when you’re walking down The Strip in Vegas, you know what to expect. Who knows what we’ve been supporting, as we’ve clicked away…
And I’m still clicking! Due to the big fear that my account will be considered inactive, and I won’t see the $425 they owe me. The odds are slim to none that I’ll see any of it, I know, but don’t take that little bit of hope away from me!
Call me gullible & trusting if you like, though I am neither. I’ve seen so many programs go under, it isn’t funny, but this will be the first time I’ve lost more than $25-50. I think the first time was Point & Click, and the 2nd was the original FreeRide. Gosh, I even lost some Beenz, and Flooz too! I’ve been at this a long time, and the writing has been on the wall at NW for at least 6 months.
Thank you, Becky, for doing your part to keep us informed, aware, and updated on what is really going on. You are doing a great service. Hopefully, it will prevent anyone new from joining, and help the rest of us come to terms with the inevitable.

maskedclicker May 1, 2008 at 7:34 am

it seems like if they are connected with porn industry that they would have plenty of money to pay us, lol
not to make light of the subject but if i don’t laugh i might cry
i sure hope that they pay all of us that they owe money to

It's called Skimming--Slllllip Sliding Away May 1, 2008 at 8:19 am

IMHO, any person who is holding out hope for getting paid really need to seek counsel. Exactly why, after all these months would they suddenly begin paying and with what??? Ever hear about an airline that is gone tomorrow and a half million people are holding tickets??? Do you think that the decision was made to close the doors and make the tickets virtually useless sometime in the wee hours of the morning?? Heavens not, they knew for a long time. Throw out the Ambien folks and get some B-12.
I wonder whose brother-in-law works at e-count(now a Citi company), because $3 times thousands of cards = thousands of $$$$, enough to share and spread around to the deal-cutters!!!

Hiddinbehindanalias May 1, 2008 at 9:01 am

Some of you will recognise me just by my style of writing;).
First..Thank YOU Becky for allowing us to tell it like it is about Net..winner.
I too am still clicking because it really doesnt matter as long as they have my name and those of my referrals on their list they will use it whether I click or not.AND more importantly I am hoping that when the legal action is all done and NW is forced to fulfill its obligations that I will be on that payout list.
Now the reason I see that the Mods are all still singing the praises of NW is because even though they claim to be volunteers Only Most if not ALL of them have Pages of referrals and have been making Alot of money from those people playing.In order to keep That cash cow Mooing they will continue the never ending “Netwinner is the greatest site..they may be behind but they will pay”.I am willing to bet my completely useless raffle entries and points that the majority of the “Glee club” ALSO have scads of referrals who they have been making money from. It is NO coincidence that when the number of referrals Mods like Bobt have was brought up that door was quickly slammed.They Do Not want the average clicker to know that the ones that got in on the ground floor and signed up loads of other unsuspecting clickers are the ones who are/were making the most money.I also wonder if the mods arent being made promises of payment from the owners if they continue to promote the site AND keep their mouths shut about it.
Much more needs to be said about this and having places like this to do it is wonderful.
I highly expect to be banned from net…winner for being outspoken and telling the truth as often as I can.I actually have gotten a kick out of being tailed by the mods who quickly jump in and edit or delete alot of my posts.
I have been contemplating my “post that will get me banned” and if and when the time comes that I do write and post it I fully intend on posting it on as many internet forums as I can find.Thats the best I can do personally to protect others from falling for the “you play-netwinner pays” line.

Wendy64 May 1, 2008 at 9:59 am

Yep, I wrote the post that got me banned and my IP disabled on Sunday — I just cannot stand seeing people taken for such a ride. These people have absolutely no morals, and, as horrible as it sounds, I cannot wait for the site to shut down so that the blind will see they are not going to get paid, and move on to more productive things. Imagine, I had the nerve to post the truth and ask them to refute it – Bad me, asking for the truth in public, after they asked me for my personal information in an e-mail with almost 80 recipients. Then, presto, I was gone!

bruce May 1, 2008 at 10:28 am

hi all
first i would like to thank becky for this info. i have sent a copy of this to everyone on my email list and have instructed them to send it to everyone on theirs.
next and i feel the most important… i feel that freedom of speech is very important however i find that posting this should should be considered as spam.
“poor ‘ol” bobt1965 said:
Since someone decided to include me personally here. This is for the 1,000′s of players who still play and choose to believe Netwinner will not only come through these problems but still has enormous potential.
MegaMultipliers Thursday 05/01 at:
Gator Gold Offers // Race 4 Offers // Wii Arcade // Budget101 // Deal King //
Free Stuff Times // True Free Money // Mora Traffic // Just Free Stuff // Pocket Change
See Details At:
“And, mjp65, “poor ‘ol” bobt1965, “haul out the holly, room 222″, “soon to be gone” hardtimer, leftie, each and every one of you, either because of being naive, or rather by not doing due diligence, I hold equally as responsible for this debacle as you have been abetting the perpertrator(s).”
when you click on that link and then open one of the netwinner sites you are now set up to be a referral for bobt1956. think i am wrong check it out. seeing as how netwinner is no longer recommended by this site i would hope that this form of advertisement would be removed. i have no problem with someones difference of opinion than mine, but please do not plug a site that is as dishonest as netwinner has proven to be on a legit site like this one.

Hiddinbehindanalias May 1, 2008 at 10:43 am

Thanks Bruce( Love the name lol..its Hubbys too!).I agree bobt has enough spamvertising on the net already.
Oh and I might add..WRT The mods that claim that NW is a family game site..Umm No it aint!
No true “family” site demands that the entrant be 18.ONLY Adult sites like Porn sites,Gambling sites etc do that..Net ..winner in fact is ANTI family by my thoughts.
People are spending far too much time watching a wheel spin or numbers turn on a bingo card and or spending hours on the forum ‘Bragging about their wins”they could actually be spending that time WITH their children..I can see it now..”Shush little Johnny…mommy is almost done spinning.”
Personally I am home alone all day right now( waiting for new job funding)..My children are all grown and I Dont like tv.I am an avid contester/freebie hunter so I routinely spend MY free time on the computer and have the “Games” if you would call them that,spinning in the background while I do other more important things.

justagrandma May 1, 2008 at 12:00 pm

Why do more and more partner sites keep linking up with Netwinner? They’ve added a few new ones this week. I can’t imagine why people with reputable sites (at least I assume they are reputable) would want to connect themselves to a seemingly “sinking ship” or, at the very least, a site that doesn’t pay their players any longer or provide any truthful answers about when/if they ever will. Don’t they check out the site before signing on the dotted line? I’m not very computer savvy but even I can see there is plenty of negativity about Netwinner on the web. I know if I owned a site, I wouldn’t want it connected to Netwinner in any way, shape or form these days.

hockeyfan May 1, 2008 at 2:53 pm

What happened to the netwinnercentral forum? I haven’t been able to see it since about 11:20am

memesiko May 1, 2008 at 3:13 pm

I can’t believe that the is a referral page for Bob! Its being hawked on the forum right now also (as a page you can find out about which sites are multipliers).
Relentless and shameful that it isn’t disclosing the fact its a referral page and comes across as a legit Netwinner affiliated site.

john d May 1, 2008 at 3:14 pm

It appears that it is members only now and you have to log in to see it.

shellkate May 1, 2008 at 3:23 pm

I’m afraid some of us constant “gripers” caused the change in the forumn….. You now have to be logged in to see the forumn….I think they did this to prevent banned people from reading …..

tlnblue May 1, 2008 at 4:02 pm

Even though the SPAM link was posted out of spite and contempt, I’m of the opinion that if anybody reads the article and the accompanying comments,yet still decides to sign up at Netwinner then they deserve what they get, or rather, what they DON’T get.
For those who clicked the link you can simply delete your cookies, close the browser and reopen another one. That should eliminate his referal code.

thecommittee May 1, 2008 at 5:46 pm

If Scott Coffman is the registered agent of service, and he owns AEBN which boasts between 1 and 10 million dollars in revenue, and if plaintiffs were required to serve this Mr. Coffman the legal documentation should a suit be filed then one would assume he’s responsible for payments, in which case there should be no reason for Netwinner to be behind in payouts to begin with. If that isn’t enough to wake up the dead, I don’t know what is.

po'd nw member May 1, 2008 at 6:21 pm

I’m as frustrated as anyone else, but reading their TOS it seems like they have themselves covered by basically saying they reserve the right to change anything at anytime, including prizes.
So, legally, do we really have a leg to stand on? Just wondering.

thecommittee May 1, 2008 at 6:47 pm

Consumers are protected by Contract Law. The contract Netwinner has, if presented properly to the courts may be determined to be invalid since it does not meet the requirements of a commonly used contract. That does not mean the defendants would be let off the hook, on the contrary, the judge could very well find probable cause to invalidate the clause which denies members class action. Understand that if what they were doing was legal then everyone would be defrauded constantly. An attorney will be able to offer the kind of advice necessary to assist in a small claims.
There are two seperate issues involved here. Criminal and civil. Someone who lives in the jurisdiction may bring a small claims lawsuit (civil action), but that wouldn’t help the rest of the members much. This is why those reports to the Attorney General (criminal action) are important, to get the site shut down and an investigation going.

maskedclicker May 1, 2008 at 7:51 pm

if you are already a registered member at nw bob’s link doesn’t matter at all, unless you give that link to a new person to sign up with when you think you are referring them yourself (although i cannot imagine anyone encouraging anyone to join nw now)
you were referred by whoever referred you and that is already a done deal, bob’s link is not going to change you to his downline
i did think it sucked that he was allowed to add his referral code to all the links on the list of sites in the forum though, i’m sure a lot of people copied that list and gave it to people they were trying to refer to nw for themselves
i noticed mike posted a few times today but still not a single word about when we will get paid or why we have not been paid yet

gripergroupie May 1, 2008 at 11:40 pm

Oh, I would love to just comment on alot of things about netloser but ill only keep it to a few ..
dont you love when all the mods tell everyone how everything is false or lies and how some of us gripers are constantly followed and edited with no reason, they were so quick to jump on the porn issue but they never bothered to read any of it, no one ever said there was porn on the site (just some not for kids eyes ads) but they are going around stating from hell and back again, trying to make it look like we are spreading lies, that there was no porn on their site (well duh, thats not even what was said)
my second major issue is that the raffle winners are being told that they will get their winnings even before the people who have waited 6 months for the prizes, now, i ask you, how fair is that ???
And one finally thought, Netloser is all about butt kissing, how much and who, especially since the newly named mini mod but not 1 day before being named had it out with a griper on the gripers thread, and then poof, she’s a mod now .. things that make you go hmm, i tell ya !!!!

maskedclicker May 2, 2008 at 5:21 pm

On april 14th Mike stated that he would get a message for the fulfillment issues thread from the company.
Still nothing there.
Now today he posted that ‘he knows more than he can tell’ – which tells us nothing again.
He must be a real pee-on in the NW pecking order if he can’t get a public statement for us in over 2 weeks (since the latest promise to get us some answers), makes you wonder if he knows anything at all.
In that ‘ahardison’ thread he said that ahardison is the NW CTO – I am not sure but I am guessing that stands for chief treasury officer? If he is in charge of the money and he drops in forum to ‘take a peek’ then why doesn’t he give mike a statement for us? Surely even if he doesn’t read everything he can tell that e1 is highly concerned about the ecards and reloads that are owed to us.
About the mods – they must be getting something to keep them happy, maybe they all got their cards already, or maybe they are divvying up a lot more points than they are giving out to us in the forum contests to keep them singing the nw song.
I think you are right about the new mini mod gripergroupie, all you have to do is be a big time kiss up to get rewarded with a title it seems. Just another canary to sing the nothing’s wrong song.
The bottom line is…. if nothing is wrong and the company is financially sound then why did they stop our payouts?
I should have known this company was a joke when I saw that they put Mike in charge of anything. He is the most unprofessional administrator I have ever seen. When he isn’t busy evading or ignoring our questions he is downright rude and childish in his responses half the time and the other half he is giving empty promises.

Becky May 2, 2008 at 6:37 pm

CTO = Chief Technical Officer = head computer guy.

maskedclicker May 2, 2008 at 6:52 pm

ty Becky
Obviously I also know nothing.
I really hope that they are right and that there is nothing wrong and that we all will be paid soon though.

tlnblue May 3, 2008 at 3:07 am

I don’t think the mods are getting paid any more than regular members but what I do think happened is that many of them got in early and were big builders with anywhere from 50-300 or more referals under their belt. I believe when members were getting paid, they (mods, techs, staff) were receiving large amounts. If it happened two or three times, that kind of gratification could very easily create a fierce sense of loyalty. So now, the problem is two-fold where you have a group of people who’ve been strongly conditioned to promote the site, and you have positive reinforcement of large past payments. They have a serious vested interest in making sure the site stays operational whereas it’s a little easier for an average player with few to no referals to break away and take a realistic view of the situation.
Remember, the people who run Netwinner are experts in subliminal and psychological manipulation. Most “vice” industries prey on people’s weaknesses.

deborah May 3, 2008 at 7:16 pm

I am a contest moderator on the Netwinner forum and I rarely post comments outside of contests. However, I do think people should understand that as moderators, we’ve strive to make the forum a fun place to spend time. As we have said numerous times, we are not employees of Netwinner. While I understand your frustrations, I ask that you please refrain from making personal comments about us. You do not know us or what our values are. Attacking us serves no purpose.
We give you all the information we have to give. We are not robots and we have not been “programmed”. We simply do the best we can.
You ask to be treated fairly and with dignity and respect, we ask the same in return
As to referrals, I have 1, few of us have large numbers of referrals.

tlnblue May 3, 2008 at 7:37 pm

Making general statements or observations about certain topics or issues is far different than making personal comments about individuals. We, everyone…is at liberty to discuss the issues, and one of them happens to be the fact that the moderators on the Netwinner forum continue to urge faith in a network that’s clearly bullyish, rude and unprofessional. Continued loyalty in a dead or dying program is a fascinating issue, a topic, a phenomenon.
If supporters want the rewards for supporting something they believe in, then they have to be willing to suffer the consequences when the thing they’re touting fails.

Carol May 3, 2008 at 8:12 pm

If netwinner is having financial problems as to why they are 6 months behind on paying, then they should admit to it. I don’t see how Mike and volunteers or continued supporter can blame for the majority being upset when we are all left wondering what’s going on. Not having the money is one thing, but when you don’t communicate with the members, well…that’s inexcusable and irresponsible.
The dead silence from netwinner as to why they stopped payouts over 6 weeks ago is leaving most of us with the impression that they are not going to cover everyone’s winnings. It does not look good, and I think most of us know why we are not getting answers.
To continue to support a site such as this would make one look quite foolish.

tlnblue May 3, 2008 at 8:20 pm

There are legal issues involved as well as ethical ones. Lines have been crossed. Once a representative, whether paid or volunteer, becomes aware of a defrauding, and they choose to continue to promote whatever it is they’re representing, they’ve set themselves up not only to have fingers pointed at them but also as possible perpetrators of fraudulent activity. Sorry, it’s out of our hands, mods and staff. You’ve made your choice. You cannot expect to not be held accountable for your actions.

deborah May 3, 2008 at 8:35 pm

You are correct, this is all quite fascinating. As I said, I am not employed by, nor do I speak for, Netwinner. I speak only for myself. My point was that attacking the moderators on a personal level is just as bullish and rude as you say we are. As to legal ramifications, again you are trying to bully by fear. I have always been more than willing to be held accountable for my actions, and will continue to do so.

Carol May 3, 2008 at 8:41 pm

I have to agree with you. Legally Netwinner needs to be shutdown until they can fulfill their obligations to their members. This site does not need to be allowed in continuing to defraud it’s members.
I have waited long enough for answers from netwinner. I’m going to start filing my complaints with the BBB, Attorney General and FTC.

tlnblue May 3, 2008 at 8:50 pm

I can honestly say on a personal level that I’ve been stunned more than once by the combined hostility and animosity from the Netwinner staff, forum administrators and moderators. The collective arrogance has left me wishing I could be a fly on the wall in the office when/if auditors show up, or when lawsuits are filed where denial will not be able to be used as a defense in the courtroom. I would absolutely LOVE to see the trial unfolding from a jury member’s perspective.

Carol May 3, 2008 at 9:36 pm

I’m not trying to take sides here, but tlnblue is making some very valid statements here. I don’t see where tlnblue is trying to bully by fear. She is just making you and others who continue in your efforts to support a site that’s already made some serious violations aware of what the possible legal ramifications could be.
You are putting your faith in a site who is first of all looking out for number one. That’s not going to be you, or the others I will assure you. They have already demonstrated by the sheer act of how they treat their members with little regards to the current situation on the payouts. That alone should tell you something.
You say you don’t speak for Netwinner, but you are a contest moderator on the Netwinner Central forums? Sorry, but as I see it, you are one of the supporting factors just by carrying a title as moderator.
It’s up to you and the other mods if you want to continue to support this site and you have every right to do so. Just don’t be surprised if it happens to carry consequences.

Becky May 4, 2008 at 10:17 am

I just want to go on the record as saying that I think most of the mods at NetWinnerCentral have shown tremendous grace under pressure. While I think it’s wrong to prohibit discussion of the ties between NetWinner and the porn industry on NetWinnerCentral, to their credit the mods have continued to allow links and references to to be posted there, and the information is available here for all to see and discuss.
I’m not a lawyer and won’t speculate about the legal liability of the moderators or anyone else not directly employed by NetWinner. I don’t think the mods are intending to help perpetuate fraud — I think they’re players who have formed close personal relationships with others on the forum and they’re trying to protect their community. If I was a mod there, I’d seriously consider setting up an alternate forum independent of NetWinner. That way, they could enjoy the FUN of chatting with their friends without having to constantly defend NW (which has to be increasingly difficult!).
While I can’t speak to the legal liability, I will say that ANYONE actively promoting NetWinner, knowing that the site is this far behind in payments — whether they are a partner website or an individual trying to recruit new members — is taking a morally indefensible position. I urge you to do what’s right and take down your referral links until NetWinner gets caught up with their payments. Partner websites, is it right for you to get paid for these members’ ad views when THEY aren’t getting paid for them? Do you REALLY want to continue to be associated with this company?
Those of you who are still playing to keep your account active (or because you honestly believe NW will at one point catch up with payments), the best thing you could do for NetWinner is to only click on the main NW site — that way, they don’t have to share ad revenue with the partner sites. More revenue for NW, in theory at least, means they have more money available for paying their members.

Im a Mod At a GPT May 4, 2008 at 11:26 am

I find it redundant that others throw a book of laws to mods. I happen to mod at a GPT site. I am not a employee and sure I speak for the site, as that is what I am a mod. I have read a few comments noted in this very article and found that one in particular “tlnblue & few others” seems to want everyone to take a stand against this site and the admins/mods. But, clearly there is a line drawn and from what I am reading of your own statements can be viewed as attacking them. You see there is such thing as taunting. And, your own statements towards these people because they wish to be loyal to an idea and/or stand behind something does not make them bad people. It means they stand for their beliefs as others do their own think of it as a religion. You can not repremand someone for their beliefs because you choose to direct your thoughts in a swimming pool. To others who post about moderators you should all know them being on a forum does not mean they know everything nor are they involved with a business practice. If I were those mods I would tell you big mouths to either serve the papers or shut up about it. I have been through this myself and quite frankly the other “party” lost. I do not know much about the site you all speak of and surely can speak for being a moderator. Since I was driven here by a friend I am glad they did because some of you have your facts wrong about mods. If your going to advocate for a cause then you need to back up your mouth before spilling things out like a faucet. Sometimes that gives room for them to counter part your own actions taken.

tlnblue May 4, 2008 at 12:08 pm

“Pyramid schemes are illegal. They are illegal because they are exploitative and dishonest. They exploit the most vulnerable of people: the desperate, the out-of-work, the ignorant. Those who start and practice such fraud, should, and increasingly are, being punished for their crimes.”
Variations of these kinds of schemes could very well be considered illegal. As far as serving papers? I do my part by reporting to the Better Business Bureau, the Federal Trade Commission and the Attorney General in the state where the operation physically exists. After that it’s up to our elected officials to take action.
And notice it says, “Those who start AND PRACTICE such fraud…”
This would indicate that promoters, in whatever capacity, can very well be held accountable. But, don’t take my word for it. I invite any of you to look into it for yourselves. There’s plenty of informational resources available as most world governments want people to be educated about these kinds of things.

tlnblue May 4, 2008 at 12:27 pm

Don’t take my word for anything. I invite any of you to look into it for yourselves. There’s plenty of informational resources available as most world governments want people to be educated about genuine schemes and scams as well as variations of them.

oldcook1 May 5, 2008 at 1:08 am

I find it ironic that the staff from Netwinner goes to a review site and argues with those posting reviews & cooments, ha, ha, ha, ha.
That’s not how it works. There is no “remove” or “delete” button here. If you want to continue to deceive a bunch of SAHM and little old blue haired grannies then DEAL with it.
Netwinner last paid a redemption 3/14/2008 for a request made 11/05/2007. They ARE NOT PAYING anyone – zilch – nadda- zip.
Anyone who knows this and STILL promotes the site should be ashamed of themselves. I can not understand, for the life of me, how they can do this day after day…continue to deceive and scam people. Saying “we only can tell you what we know” is a cop-out, an excuse. The site needs to be shut down, investigated and made to meet their current financial obligations before they are allowed to continue their scam.

shellkate May 5, 2008 at 10:14 am

ok Here’s a good one I logged into netwinner my acct. page today to check it I usualy do this once daily and heres what I saw my next prize redemption dated 2-07-08 was changed from a prize redemption to a contest winnings and status went from processing to approved! does this seem strange? yes ! Does anyone else think it will cause me to lose this redemption?
I think netwinner will try to say I somehow changed this! And make me forfeit this $100 ecount card

Happy Moment May 5, 2008 at 11:00 am

Looks like mine is on the way! I looked and got a e-mail from ecount saying my $100 prize is coming and one other is now approved…hell yea~ At least this is some hope they are going to do the right thing. And who cares what it shows if ya going to get it pshaw! Now I can go and play again, ca-ching****

Steve Goldberg May 5, 2008 at 3:11 pm

In response to your recent posts regarding NetWinner, which have been inaccurate and misleading, I urge both you and your readers to read this entire response.
In our previous exchange, I found you to be diligent in trying to present the “truth” and both sides of a discussion to your audience. More recently though, your “reporting” has become biased and unsubstantiated and is a disservice to your readers.
With more than 25 years experience as an investigative reporter/writer, and now under contract to NetWinner, I do my fact checking with great diligence. If you had done your research properly, you would have let your readers know that the annual Dragon*Con in Atlanta with more than 30,000 attendees does not have anything to do with “porn” but is actually, according to their site, “the largest multi-media, popular culture convention focusing on science fiction and fantasy, gaming, comics, literature, art, music, and film in the U.S.” It’s a family friendly event with fans dressing as Klingons, Superman, Harry Potter, and other characters. More information can be found at
If you were presenting the whole truth, you would also have made the distinction by reading the industry newsletter that you excerpted that there were in fact “two separate discussion panels sponsored by and” and determined that the discussion panel hosted by NetWinner at Dragon*Con had nothing to do with the other one.
Your unfounded insinuation is both insulting and damaging to both Dragon*Con and NetWinner. There was nothing odd about the “business decision”. Why wouldn’t the company want to see if NetWinner’s casual games could find an audience with a sci-fi, game-oriented gathering?
NetWinner is a game that gives people a chance to win. There are no “earnings” here; playing a free online game is not a job. It’s a privilege. If you don’t enjoy it, don’t play. If you do, please continue.
As a venture-backed start-up company, NetWinner is unbiased in its pursuit of potential investors, as any company should be. Mr. Coffman has invested in NetWinner, as well as many other companies and industries, not unlike many other successful businesspeople. If your readers have issues with loose connections to “adult” content, they may also consider boycotting HBO, Cinemax, or Showtime, reading any magazines from Time Warner or Hearst Corporation, buying any products from General Electric, and staying in any hotels with pay-per-view movies. They might also boycott Hannah Montana and other Disney content, perhaps even Disney’s advertisers, since their companies produce controversial “adult” content including movies such as Pulp Fiction, Cold Mountain, and many others.
You are indeed correct I wrote an article about Mr. Coffman. I was assigned the article six years ago by a business magazine and was very impressed by the entrepreneurial spirit and success of the man I interviewed. I also wrote for that magazine about a professional bass fisherman, an auto racing safety expert, a billionaire auto dealership owner, and an Olympic track coach. I have written for hundreds of major magazines and newspapers including Time, USA Today, the Chicago Tribune, the San Francisco Chronicle and Playboy among others. I’m proud of all my work. When presented the opportunity to work for NetWinner several years later, I gladly accepted.
As for the backlog in prize fulfillment, it is a primary concern here and we are working fervently to not only bring it up to date but improve it going forward. The reality remains that NetWinner has paid over 20,000 individuals in instant win and redeemed cash and prizes since its inception less than two years ago. The delays in fulfillment are an ongoing concern and are primarily due to the company’s growth and continued diligence towards fraud prevention.
Your information regarding the company’s status with Ecount, a MasterCard solutions provider owned by Citi Group was also false and misleading. Any person at Ecount who would divulge company information would violate legal confidentiality agreements, which would constitute an egregious breach of contract.
What is NetWinner? It’s a business based on giving lots and lots of people a place to have fun while playing engaging casual games with the chance to win some cash and prizes. It is and will always be free to play because of its advertising-supported model. For the player, it’s meant to be an enjoyable diversion, not a career. It’s an opportunity to win cash and prizes, not an obligation.
Lastly, reviews of posts made by you on your site and others such as, by legal counsel has caused them to inform senior NetWinner management that these false representations, as disseminated, may constitute malice aforethought, libel, and wire fraud. While it will not repair the damage you have already done, we expect a retraction and ask that you please consider carefully before making any further misrepresentations about NetWinner. We reserve the right to take further action as necessary.
Steve Goldberg
Director of Communications
NetWinner, LLC

No One May 5, 2008 at 5:49 pm

Wow, a response from NW! I see they have plenty of time to write threatening letters, but no time to pay their due accounts. Funny. Also noticed that there was no comment about the videos. If I acted that way at work, my butt would be fired. They say they are worried about scammers – what about employees who goof off all day and don’t work? That also drains company finances.
And if they are starting to pay up again, I’d like to thank Becky for being the one who turned up the heat and got the pot to boil. They have still not addressed the issue as to what is/was taking them so long to pay. People start filing complaints and suddenly the payments start rolling in.
Thank you, Becky.

player May 5, 2008 at 6:12 pm

All you people posting, complaining and talking about legal action need to know your facts before you start making accusations and statements. Do you realize that the things you are saying on this public forum can have YOU taken to court and sued for libel and slander and even pain and injury suffered by them for what you have said about these people? I am also sure as I have seen it happen many times, once this site pays you, you will all be right back there playing to get more money from them. I think they should not allow any of you to play there again.
As for the mods of that forum, if I were them I wouldn’t ever help any you again after the way you have shamelessly treated them here and on other boards I have come across. Why don’t you try for a minute putting yourself in there place and imagine how you would feel reading the things you have said if it was about you. Have any of you even thought for a moment that maybe a lot of this was started with ulterior motives by people with blogs and websites so that people would come to these type of sites and they could get get you to sign up to their other sites. how many of you have signed up as a referral for another site? things aren’t always what they seem when someone from out the blue is so nice to you,they saw an opportunity coming to get referrals and more website hits and they took it.

tlnblue May 5, 2008 at 7:25 pm

Oh please! Fancy people in fancy clothes with fancy lawyers screaming threats has the same impact on judges as they do on people who advocate for truth and consumer rights. Anyone wants to print out anything I’ve said and waste their time suing me, have at it! I’d enjoy nothing more than to present this whole mess to someone in a high enough position who might actually do something about it.
As for getting the money owed and jumping right back into playing? How ’bout paying me first and then we’ll see what action I take after having learned the truth from someone who took the time to locate the pertinent information necessary to make an informed decision about which companies I choose to support and which ones I don’t.
I went back and reread the review. I found nothing libelous or that hadn’t already been a matter of public record.

unimpressed May 5, 2008 at 7:54 pm

Drag*con is supposedly a family friendly event? Let’s see. I found this to be rather enlightening:
From a post entitled, “Porn Lords Invade DragonCon – R U READY???” 8/10/06
“Scott Jones, director of Dragon*Con’s Electronic Frontiers Forum and 10-year member of Electronic Frontiers Georgia, said of McGowan’s adult entertainment themed panels, “While adult industry panels may seem out of place at a mainstream science fiction convention, both science fiction and the adult industry have faced their share of problems under the specter of censorship. One only has to look at the history of comic book censorship and the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund ( to understand that these issues are not new. We examine censorship issues in the adult industry knowing full well that if we fail to understand the issues and speak up, our newly beloved science fiction fan web site may be next on the censor’s list.”

tlnblue May 5, 2008 at 8:09 pm

Oh and by the way, “malice aforethought”, or “malice prepense” is found in criminal law and only a term that relates to murder.

NC Eden May 5, 2008 at 8:43 pm

Well, that was an interesting read. I don’t care if Netwinner is affiliated with porn, midgets or aliens from outer space. I STILL don’t see an exceptable explanation as to why they haven’t paid anyone in six months. I don’t know of ANY business that could STAY in business after not meeting their financial obligations for six months. If Becky hadn’t posted the review there would not have been the attention paid that OBVIOUSLY this review garnered. Thank you Becky for “looking out for us little folks”.
Mr.Goldberg, I respectfully request that you direct your company to spend it’s time and energy toward fullfilment of monies promised to your players instead of “reserving the right to to take further action as necessary”. The fact remains if your company had adhered to the original TOS you would not be the internet scam-de jour. The majority of folks didn’t quit your site because of unsavory allegations, they quit participating because your company stopped paying.
I read your post here several times and I almost admire you. I haven’t seen so much re-direction and smoke & mirrors since I watched the movie, “Wag the Dog”. Nice touch with the editing from “prize redemption” to “contest winnings” (yup, the entire internet conspiracy junkies are discussing that at length – Google is indeed your friend). I guess your legal counsel thought your company needed to cover it’s collective butt by transitioning from a points accumulation model to a “fun for the entire family” game of chance.
Is your tagline going to remain “You Play – We Pay”? Or will truth in advertising constraints cause yet another shift to “Please play and support the sponsers who are the sole revenue stream for our company and someday, during leap year, only if you are wearing red socks and there is a total solar eclipse we will pay you but only after we have had so much bad and humiliating publicity that our corporate officers will have to probably go into the FBI witness protection program”.
“A Game of Chance”? I have a better chance of being abducted by aliens after their mother ship has crashed into the roof of my house. Us players don’t need “good luck” – you and your company need all the good luck you can muster to survive this debacle

Netwinner player May 6, 2008 at 12:21 am

Yikes! did i walk in on he favorite topic here. If I can mustard in my 2 cents. I think you guys need to grow up. I play at NW and love it, yea my prizes are very very late. Yes it sux. I jump on do my spins and get off. I do not go bashing those kind folks who try to help over there. And I am not gonna bash a site that I got over $850 from in the past year. All the liberating junkies who want to SCREAM I HAVE RIGHTS! sue me! I find a hint of sour notes. Seems one on here has sung that tune a many a time and boy did they loose big heehaaaa. I agree with the statement put out, if you dont like the site dont play it.. sure bug the hell out of their company by e-mail because that is about the only voice you got. For now I am sticking with NW and we’ll see the outcome vs stomping my feet thinking it is getting me somewhere. Reminds me of a child who wants a toy so bad and just can not seem to draw down their defenses long enough to realize HEY! your not getting it so hush, but the kid keeps on yelling and stomping. Poor kid never could let that poor toy go from hines site and eventually becamse a depressed adult and carried it over to their children who now are stomping back at them. Funny how that works out. Either way good luck to all you good folks

NWplayer May 6, 2008 at 12:24 am

May 5, 2008 5:49 PM
player said:
All you people posting, complaining and talking about legal action need to know your facts before you start making accusations and statements. Do you realize that the things you are saying on this public forum can have YOU taken to court and sued for libel and slander and even pain and injury suffered by them for what you have said about these people? I am also sure as I have seen it happen many times, once this site pays you, you will all be right back there playing to get more money from them. I think they should not allow any of you to play there again.
As for the mods of that forum, if I were them I wouldn’t ever help any you again after the way you have shamelessly treated them here and on other boards I have come across. Why don’t you try for a minute putting yourself in there place and imagine how you would feel reading the things you have said if it was about you. Have any of you even thought for a moment that maybe a lot of this was started with ulterior motives by people with blogs and websites so that people would come to these type of sites and they could get get you to sign up to their other sites. how many of you have signed up as a referral for another site? things aren’t always what they seem when someone from out the blue is so nice to you,they saw an opportunity coming to get referrals and more website hits and they took it.
I think one said person has had a boost in their ego and referrals. Good to know how easily you can benefit off the misery of others. tooshay! player for saying it like it is.

Edna May 6, 2008 at 3:31 am

You know, you can never tell who is legit or not on the internet. Lemme see.
Do I trust a site that promises to pay and doesn’t or the SAHM who has no vested interest in NW whatsoever?
Do I believe the videos as posted as proof that NW is working hard to make it a great site or the SAHM who has no vested interest in NW whatsoever? Wait, seeing is believing and I believe both the videos and Becky on this one. I didn’t see any contest going on with the dancing rump show. I didn’t see any contests with the office staff playing with dogs. Give me a freaking break. Just how stupid do you think we are?
Do I believe the wordsmith, smoke and mirrors investigative reporter with 25 years experience and such wonderful credentials that he can’t land a job with anyone but NW or do I believe the SAHM who has no vested interest in NW whatsoever and works for no pay?
So listen up Slippery Tongued Steve, NO ONE THINKS OF NW or any other site they use as it being a “career”. Holy Jesus that made you sound so stupid! What you do have are folks needing the money they can earn on-line. Do you not understand that there is a vast on-line community who NEEDS what they earn on-line? Do you not get that these folks are shut-ins, handicapped, incapacitated in some way, caretakers or for many reasons cannot have a traditional job? Do you not understand that everyone can’t be Mr. Corporate America and when something like NW comes alone folks gravitate to it like flies to honey because they need the income it generates?
You know, if NW has problems with scammers, go find them. Don’t delay payments for 6 unbelievable months to legitimate members. Do not talk down to us like we are idiots. Do not make stupid excuses and tell us who we need to boycott. We need to boycott NW and put you and all the rest out of a job.
If NW was doing what was the right thing, they should have called Becky, written her, posted for her to call or email her phone number or something if anyone gave a damn. You’d have done it a long time ago if you cared. Don’t you think all of the volley of comments deserved SOMEONE AT NETWINNER posting an official comment long before now on their own site? Did it take one SAHM/consumer advocate for the little guy to pull your heads out of your butts?
How do we even know you are actually employed by NW? ANYONE can post and ANYONE can say they are whatever name they choose. I am the Queen of the Internet too!
If NW is the site it says it is, it will give an official/formal apology on the NW site splash page. They will immediately make payments and get all accounts out of arrears. They will hire people that can run an efficient office with a real business atmosphere and not post outlandish videos to and then label them as contest videos. And, they’ll stop squelching the posts made on the forum and allowing the mods to play Nazi NW Forum Police.
It is pathetic it is to see NW send lil Stevie boy out to play school-yard bully. Another delay tactic. Oh and Stevie, go tell NW that we don’t like you posting this crap on Becky’s site. Tell them to pull up their big boy pants and behave like legitimate businessmen and quit slithering on the bellies like the snakes they are.
Oh and Stevie-boy, I don’t support any of the big corporations that you mentioned for the very reasons you sited….they are all connected to porn just as your precious NW is.
Becky, I applaud you for calling these school yard bullies out for the scammers and porn promoters that they are. HOORAY FOR BECKY! Now go away and leave her alone and the rest of us too. SHOO!

hacksupaloogie May 6, 2008 at 8:46 am

It is pathetic it is to see NW send lil Stevie boy out to play school-yard bully. Another delay tactic. Oh and Stevie, go tell NW that we don’t like you posting this crap on Becky’s site. Tell them to pull up their big boy pants and behave like legitimate businessmen and quit slithering on the bellies like the snakes they are.
I think your on the wrong page. Becky posted that from Steve not the other way around dude!
FYI: People others have a right to accept porn in their lives if your an adult….HELLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Becky, I sure give you credit you have gotten a stammering 63 post in here. WTG! bet google is ringing off the HOOK. I just hope you all can be more civilized and act your age instead of being childish like the one above.

tlnblue May 6, 2008 at 9:06 am

NWplayer brings up a very good point. Ulterior motives. Are Becky’s reviews posted with only one agenda in mind, to garner referals? Well, the site IS a review site for comparing various reward programs, and from what I can see from the articles I’ve read, she posts the news, good or bad.
If she were only interested in gaining a downline, Becky had every opportunity to gloss over NW problems just the way so many others have done, but she didn’t. She could’ve taken the position that NW was the greatest invention since the wheel, but she didn’t. Why, she could’ve even been making money as a partner site, but she didn’t! No, Becky chose to maintain her standards by not sucking up or taking bribes meant to hush her up.
As for me, I don’t have a web-site or blog and my two main concerns remain that honest members are paid and new people are informed of the truth.

NWplayer May 6, 2008 at 2:12 pm

What bribes did she get? Now you have me curious.
I am with you wanting my prizes won. I just don’t see any reason to die hard with my consumer standings just to show I will not back down. There are other ways to direct that negative energy towards a more positive influence rather than trying to siffle out the fumes.

bruce May 7, 2008 at 1:08 am

man i can not believe some people . here becky is trying to inform others about honest sites and to warn them about sites that have shown to be un trustworthy. i know that there is something up with netwinner. how you may ask. well first i have not been paid for over 6 months. 2 nd when i made a report to the BBB netwinner did respond to them.however they did respond with false info. according to netwinner myself and them have discussed my account and have straightened everything out. this was news to me. not only have i not talked to anyone from netwinner i can not get anyone from there to answer any emails or phone calls. so how was this worked out. i notice that steve goldberg could come here and make threats toward comparerewards but could not find the time to address the peoples questions about why they have failed to meet their obligations. i am not an attorney but i do know that you can not win a lawsuit for liable if the statements are
seeing that steve is very informed about laws and such perhaps he could explain to myself and the others here how you can sue for SLANDER when that is a term of spoken defamation and not written. liable is written. and as far as i can tell i have seen nothing that has been stated from comparerewards that is untrue. perhaps some parts have been left out but that is still not slander. seeing as you stated that you have a 25 year background then you know that the media does not have to always tell the whole story.
other than a few ( and i mean very few ) people that have posted here all have said about the same thing. netwinner has not paid members for over 6 months. granted you may have paid some. but i know you have not paid all. you stated that the reason is because you suspect people of cheating and want to ensure that is not the case. so answer me this if you suspect people of cheating why is it taking over 6 months to inform these people of your suspicions. i have seen that some people have gotten letters about this. but i know nothing has ever came to my email, home mail box. or have i received a phone call. i on the other hand have called your company sent email after email to both support and fulfillment. and all have gone unanswered. you want to come here and act as if you have been wronged why don’t you answer our question then instead of making idle threats.
you say that netwinner has gotten a bad rap then how about you come back and answer some questions. i have no problem telling you my screen name at netwinner is CARLTON123 there you have all the info needed to contact me. so go ahead prove myself and everyone else that says netwinner is just scamming us and has not paid in over 6 months. PROVE ME WRONG

bruce May 7, 2008 at 1:35 am

update on my account
as i stated in one of my previous post i will post if i should have any of my late prizes fulfilled.
after checking my ecount it shows that my prize cashed out for on nov 5th 2007 has been fulfilled. here is a copy of the transaction minus my account number. it was fulfilled as of 5/5/2008. any further fulfillments will be posted until the last and final one cashed in for on 3/02/2008
5/5/2008 XXXxxxx 2007-04-26 to 2008-05-02 Receive $ No Fee +25.00

NWPlayer May 7, 2008 at 7:10 am

I think you need to issue a retraction for posting ecount were not affiliated with Netwinner. I know after I read your statement about that I ran over there to their forum mad as hell thinking HOW could they do this to us. Now I find out that was not true and I felt bad for getting angry about it. It is one thing to inform us about things and I agree it is very helpful but in the future make sure and check it out thoroughly before telling us. I blew my top about it and now I just have nothing to say because I was wrong for getting angry. If I might give advice. We listen to people who post this stuff. Remember we rely on resources to advice us. We all do make mistakes and it does not mean yuor a bad person. Just sometimes watch who you get your facts from because you never know their intentions. Goodluck to you Becky and thanks.

NWPlayer May 7, 2008 at 7:17 am

I think the best solution to your problem bruce would be not to call them a scam I see you got some of your money that is great. If they scammed you never would have received anything at all.
I applaud your efforts. I think you tried to inform others what you knew. I do think you need to be careful when getting information from others as it cam come back to bite you. I know one blog you did, about not sending anything I think you said March 13th or something like that. Then, I saw about them not even being assosiated with Netwinner anymore. I was mad as hell and ran over there posting like mad! Now I come to find out that was not true at all. I was sorta mad at you but I know you just tried to give us facts. I beg tho next time to watch who you get your facts from before letting us know. I felt like crap running over there fussing for nothing.
Goodluck Becky and keep informing us all, but you might want to watch a poster way above there saying you were bribed. That is like opening pandoras box . I do not know if you told them that but best they not say you did.

tlnblue May 7, 2008 at 7:37 am

NW Member: You criticize one person for not getting their facts straight and then turn around and post your WRONG interpretation of what I said. I suggest you go back and read exactly what I wrote and from now on please do not respond to my posts unless you quote them properly.
I believe this was what you were refering to:
“No, Becky chose to maintain her standards by not sucking up or taking bribes meant to hush her up.”
Nowhere does it say she was offered bribes. It implies that bribery or hush money is a possibility, but it does not confirm or deny that she was bribed. Do you understand the difference?

NWPlayer May 7, 2008 at 8:13 am

No, Becky chose to maintain her standards by not sucking up or taking bribes meant to hush her up.
so what did I misquote? Seems to me you would not state No, she chose to maintain. I do not see the word “possibly” “maybe” “could be” or “perhaps” anywhere in that sentence. It is a direct statement that tells others what she chose to do. So you can argue that until the cows come home. I think I read exactly what you said. Not my fault you can not realize you interpreted in in an incorrect way. I am sure anyone who reads that will make their own judgment as see it for what you stated.
If I were Becky, I would make you understand not to be going around “quoting” what someone chose to maintain on their part. Or rather speaking for them. I think she can do that herself. I applaud her for all she has done for us all. I just think she needs to watchout for those misquotes written by a few. Keep up the grwat work Becky.

shellkate May 7, 2008 at 8:23 am

I was one of the complainer’s who actually posted about this report in the netwinner forumn. I recieved a complaince email from the netwinner complaince department, I submitted the same phone number that was always on my acct. there I recieved a phone call from someone at netwinner and supposedly my first ecount redemption (not contest winnings) is on its way! I know the whole truth and I can say if people wait the payouts haven’t resumed! I haven’t hid anything and refuse to sit back and see everyone slam Becky. Becky has only informed us. I for one will continue complaining about unfilled payouts!

tlnblue May 7, 2008 at 9:24 am

The same thing happened to me, Shell. One of his requests was that I keep what we talked about confidential. No money yet. Will definately post when received. Oh and the canned response at the BBB on my complaint was that they were having problems with fraud which created a 6 month backlog but they’re trying to get caught up.
NW Member: Please discontinue harassing me and trying to tell me what I said and what I didn’t say and what I meant and what I didn’t mean.

Becky May 7, 2008 at 9:24 am

Dear NWPlayer,
In reply to, “I think you need to issue a retraction for posting ecount were not affiliated with Netwinner” — I did NOT say Ecount was not affiliated with Netwinner, though I did read that myself in several other places on NW’s forum and elsewhere. Please show me the link to a post where I said that. If I’m wrong, I’ll apologize and issue a retraction. Fair is fair. I believe in fair. ;)
What I said was, AND I QUOTE, “First of all, yesterday a NetWinner member named Sue called the number on her Ecount card to find out the status of her payment and was told by Jessica, an Ecount manager, that NetWinner had not sent them any funds since March 13.” This is located on this post:
Not only did I get this information in email from a player, but I verified it by calling Ecount. I spoke with Theresa Wabler, a VP and Marketing Manager at Ecount (at 610-941-4600 ext. 169), who said that Ecount processes payments within 24 to 48 hours of receiving the money. She said that if members hadn’t been paid, it’s because NetWinner didn’t pay them. She said NW told Ecount’s sales rep that they were paying their members within the 60 to 90 day time frame. When I told her that wasn’t the case, she suggested I tell members to contact the BBB.
Verify this with Ms. Wabler if necessary. I took notes. ;)
I totally missed the “bribe” thing above. I didn’t read the comment to mean that I took bribes or that any bribes were offered to me. (They weren’t, by the way.)
NW doesn’t owe me money and they haven’t offered me any, except to the extent that they invited me to become one of their partner websites, which I declined. I didn’t take that invitation as any type of bribe offer, BTW. I just didn’t want to be in business with their site then (February) and I certainly don’t now.
Continued best wishes to all; I hope EVERYONE gets paid.

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